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39 minutes ago, Eggcup The Daft said:

They will be well down by 35Hz. You may or may not get an audible fundamental  with the Dynaudios but most of what you'll hear with musical instrument sound will be harmonics. There may be nothing wrong with that. I Iived with that level of bass for most of my life and still enjoyed the music. It's still better with the lower bass (and without the mid bass hump that is put into some floorstanders for good measure)!

I might just not have the right music to hear that. (or the right ears for that matter)

I used to have a pair of Linn Majik Isobarik speakers that were flat to around 28Hz and I haven't really heard anything they played that the Dyns didn't.

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3 hours ago, audio_file said:

I might just not have the right music to hear that. (or the right ears for that matter)

I used to have a pair of Linn Majik Isobarik speakers that were flat to around 28Hz and I haven't really heard anything they played that the Dyns didn't.

Hm... I'm a little surprised at that. It is more noticeable on some recordings than others, and certainly more so with digital than analogue. You have better sources than I currently do, I see from your sig. Having said that, I vaguely remember that the published 28Hz rating was actually -6dB and the PMCs in your sig probably go slightly lower... I don't have the figures to hand and Linn don't quote the full measurement spec in the product info.

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Gee...all this talk of Linn, PMC and ATC...I'm never going to be playing in that league so I just have to make do with what I can afford.

 

I have no particular concern that one note or other might not be directly audible. As someone rightly pointed out earlier, the issue is really harmonics, rather than individual voices and that is what I'm really concerned about.

 

I am not going to be playing at what most people would consider normal volumes so I need something for bass extension. I have auditioned these speakers and every one of them came up short. Some were worse than others and some would probably never make the cut anyway.

 

Floorstanders are not really an option because the bass drivers would be too low down in a bedroom to achieve much - the bass being eaten by the furniture. Speakers stands are not a problem. If I need them, I'll build some myself. I'm not going to spend $600 on speaker stands if I can build them for $50. You're right: I'm a cheapskate and I come from a long line of cheapskates.

 

So really, I think I'm stuck with a sub-sat setup. I may have to forego the sub for a while, which means I have to buy something I can live with in the meantime. Thus far, that means B&W or Dynaudio.

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23 minutes ago, J.D. said:

Floorstanders are not really an option because the bass drivers would be too low down in a bedroom to achieve much - the bass being eaten by the furniture.

Bass is not really directional, so this might not be a problem.

Also some floor stander designs have the woofer high up in the box, or the box tilted so the woofer points up slightly.

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Going to listen to some KEF Q100 and Q300s tomorrow.

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On 10/13/2017 at 10:34 PM, audio_file said:

Bass is not really directional, so this might not be a problem.

Also some floor stander designs have the woofer high up in the box, or the box tilted so the woofer points up slightly.

Anything above 80Hz is directional, so this is a consideration. And yes, some two way floorstanders do have both units up high. They rarely go lower than the standmounts, especially in the price range we're concerned with here, so don't help much.

The Osborn Eos mentioned earlier is sensitive enough to work with that NAD 3020 and would allow you to keep it if that is plausible, giving more money for the sub (Osborn's T10 would be a good match, so would REL models).

Do ask to hear the LS50 and the R100 as well as the Q models, The R100 is a good speaker that is overshadowed by the LS50. It may suit you best of all of these,

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Does anyone have any experience of the Pro-Ject RS or MaiA systems components?

 

http://www.project-audio.com/main.php?info=boxes&cat=boxes&lang=en

 

They have some interesting stuff but its difficult to access on their website. There is a tiny CD player (which actually has a Burr-Brown chip in it), as well as stereo pre-amp/power amp configurations.

 

All of this stuff is staggeringly small but with a useful output of 60W into 4Ω.

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