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Hi guys,

dilemma, I need to upgrade my gaming PC to be able to play today's games (graphic card) but not sure if it's the right path, consoles these days are nearly as good as PC for gaming so I was thinking to just buy PS4 Pro instead of GTX1070 for pretty much same money and most probably be happy with it, the only drawback (maybe) I see is gamepad instead of keyboard & mouse combo as I'm mainly interested in FPS and racing games.

My last joystick/gamepad experience going back to Amiga days so not sure if my brain is ready to switch and enjoy it the same way like with k&m combo

PC would be used just for gaming so advantage of doing anything else on it is irrelevant

Any comments from those of you who made that switch especially in terms of controls? pros&cons... 

thanks

Daniel

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I tried consoles . . . .hated the controller . . . nowhere near as accurate as keyboard and mouse . . . . . give me a pc anyday

good morning   thanks @:) al   guys, first of all I suggest we respect others opinions even if we do not fully agree with them and stay open minded, we all have different experienc

Hi @steffanth my idea of PC correctness...using keyboard and mouse for games...  

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I'm sort of handy with a keyboard & mouse and a FPS gamer when i do play.

 

But those game pads I sux with, tried COD Special Ops or something on a mates console and a big projector and spent most of my time looking at the sky or my feet :emot-bang:  :lol:

 

So I'm not able to offer a balanced view :blush:

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16 minutes ago, Noum said:

 tried COD Special Ops or something on a mates console and a big projector and spent most of my time looking at the sky or my feet :emot-bang:  :lol:

haha, I'm bit afraid I will end up in same situation :lol:

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My fiend that owned it was pretty good watching him play. So I guess there is a learning curve to navigate with the game pads, I just found them less than intuitive or as accurate compared to KB &  Mouse. KB & Mouse you can run in one direction while focusing view and fire in another, I couldn't find how to do that with a game pad.

 

Or maybe this old dog can't learn new tricks like he once could *shrug*

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PC Gaming

Pro's -

Better graphic's [usually ] and can be adjusted in VC settings to make game run smoother if needed.

Monitor resolution usually better than a TV.

Can use mouse & Keyboard for most, if not all games, if you want to.

Usually a lot more game titles available for PC.

Can have a LOT faster frame rate than a console.

 

Con's

Need to upgrade graphic cards every few years to retain advantage over consoles.

Initial cost to build a decent gaming PC, and to upgrade to keep it relevant

Having to update drivers, OS, Steam etc often, which can cause games that were running smoothly to suddenly not do so.

Usually limited to smaller size PC monitor rather than large screen TV for gaming.

Gaming controllers can be game specific, meaning you can end up needing a lot of different models controllers if your favorite game doesn't support the ones you already have.

 

Console Gaming

Pro's

Everybody has the same machine, so no advantage to anybody when playing online [except internet speed]

Set and forget, all games on consoles are tested to work on those consoles, so rarely any problem like you can have with PC drivers etc

Consoles are designed to work with TV's, so you don't get the colour shift you do when your TV is asked to reproduce a PC's output.

Usually a lot less cable clutter compared to a PC gaming rig.

 

Con's

Game frame rates can be a LOT slower than the same game run on a PC, usually because of much less RAM in a console, combined with most TV's slower refresh rate compared to a PC monitor [although this has gotten a lot better over the last few years with modern TV's have a 'Gaming Mode' ]

Some titles are contractually console specific, so a favorite could be unavailable on either PS4 or Xbone.

Very very few games playable with a Keyboard and mouse, I can't think of any on the PS4.....so get used to using a PS4 controller.

 

There a probably quite a few other Pro's & Con's for both a PC and Console, but those are the ones that matter the most to me.

 

I built a reasonably good gaming PC a while ago [ i7 4790, 32GB RAM, Nvidia GTX 980, Samsung Pro SSD's ] and hardly ever use it, as I much prefer gaming on my PS4, just purely for the ease of use and the peace of mind that I won't have any driver conflicts, or having to wait for something to update before I can start gaming, or go through the rigmarole of logging onto Steam and getting that updated.

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@Tweaky how long did it take you to switch between K&M and gamepad? can you map/change different functions of the gamepad buttons?

 

@kelossus if you read my first post than the answer is easy, otherwise you could elaborate why yes/no, thanks :)

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57 minutes ago, kukynas said:

@Tweaky how long did it take you to switch between K&M and gamepad? can you map/change different functions of the gamepad buttons?

 

@kelossus if you read my first post than the answer is easy, otherwise you could elaborate why yes/no, thanks :)

 

I have an Xbox One and PC both for gaming. My Laptop is my Internet PC.

 

PC has a flexibility that consoles can't match. Wanna play an old like Monkey Island, you can. There is no backwards compatibility as everything is compatible.

 

I use an Xbox controller on the PC if I am feeling lazy and pretty sure you can mod an PS4/PS3 controller to work with PC as well. These days PS4 probably sell Windows compatible controllers.

 

The biggest advantage over PC and this is controversial, but Torrenting. If you know what I am getting at it will save thousands and thousands of dollars.

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I know what you mean and I agree that there's plenty of options on PC you can't match with consoles, fortunately/unfortunately I have and will most probably have only limited time for gaming so I won't utilize all of those options that much as I used to back in the days when I could sit behind the PC several hours a day and have FPS game finished within few days or week...

Plenty of time to make decision so will wait and see

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9 hours ago, kukynas said:

@Tweaky how long did it take you to switch between K&M and gamepad? can you map/change different functions of the gamepad buttons?

 

@kelossus if you read my first post than the answer is easy, otherwise you could elaborate why yes/no, thanks :)

I started using a gamepad on my PC ages ago, primarily so when I played my Playstation / Xbox the change wasn't so dramatic that I had problems.

As for control mapping with PS4 games, it depends on the game, most [no all] do to some extent, but some do it a lot better [with more options] than others, some just give you a selection of preset mapped controls like select between control type A/B/C, others let you map any control to any button [Wipeout Omega Pack for instance]

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If you're after the best possible experience, PC hands down wins every time. Buy yourself a controller and you're set.

Look at it like this - You don't need to upgrade anything in your PC if you don't want to. You can if you want (that's the beauty of it)
But even if you don't, the graphic quality will STILL be better than any console on the market until they release a new console. And they only release a new console, what?.. every 5 years?
So a graphics card really only needs to be upgraded whenever a new console comes out (if you were to compare the two dollar for dollar) and it really isn't a debate on that part because whenever they release a new console, there's always GPU(s) on the market that kill them in terms of quality.
I personally usually upgrade my GPUs every 2 or 3 years though. At the moment I have 2x GTX 970s and they were (until recently) running most games on MAX settings without too much of an issue. That's only because I like playing my games with the best possible graphics settings available. The downside (as others have said) is that there is a bit of maintenance involved and sometimes things can go a bit pair-shaped. Which can be tricky sometimes if you don't know what your doing. But if you're not computer savvy, then learn! We're living in a time where nearly everything can be solved searching online! And it's really not that hard to figure out.

So look, I would say if you want something you can just turn on and not think about at the expense of graphic quality, and features - then go for a console. There's no thought involved apart from what game/accessory you're going to buy next. 
But if you want a bit more of an experience and want to see how good a game can really look, and want to use it for other tasks - then go for a PC.

Remember though that a console is also an on-going cost. You're paying to play online if you get a subscription (something that's never really made sense to me considering you're already paying for internet)
 

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no issue with building or maintaining a PC, have been doing it for decades, it's more about convenience and my laziness :) , going through the reviews, checking compatibilities, updating OS and drivers and so on but good point about subscription and as mentioned earlier cost of games is always higher for consoles

 

it seems I'm pretty much sold on new GPU, following question as I never really had to deal with it in the past, active sync vs. frame rate, my future monitor will be 100hz Freesync (AMD) , does it make more sense to buy Radeon i.e.  RX580 and benefit from sync (pseudo) but with lower frame rate or buy GTX1070 and benefit from higher frame rate even if it won't be 100% synced? I know I could wait and invest into RX Vega 56 but not sure if the extra 200 bucks will make significant difference

 

thanks...  

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17 hours ago, kukynas said:

no issue with building or maintaining a PC, have been doing it for decades, it's more about convenience and my laziness :) , going through the reviews, checking compatibilities, updating OS and drivers and so on but good point about subscription and as mentioned earlier cost of games is always higher for consoles

 

it seems I'm pretty much sold on new GPU, following question as I never really had to deal with it in the past, active sync vs. frame rate, my future monitor will be 100hz Freesync (AMD) , does it make more sense to buy Radeon i.e.  RX580 and benefit from sync (pseudo) but with lower frame rate or buy GTX1070 and benefit from higher frame rate even if it won't be 100% synced? I know I could wait and invest into RX Vega 56 but not sure if the extra 200 bucks will make significant difference

 

thanks...  

Well I've never been interested in G-sync or any of that because my monitors are primarily used for work. So i've invested in more screens over features. But from what I know, you'd want a failry heft GPU to be running at 100 FPS constantly. I'm not sure the 580 could do that with 8GB of VRAM. I personally would go for the GTX1070 and get the higher frame rate. I know screen tearing is a thing that annoys some people - but thats not something that's ever bothered me or been enough of an issue to consider spending the extra money on Syncing.

 

on the other hand - you're future proofing with a G sync monitor. If it's not in your budget for both, maybe consider taking a Frame rate hit and getting a nice monitor, and then upgrading your GPU when the time comes, and you'll already have a nice monitor for it.

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thanks Dylan, make sense...

Regarding G vs. Free sync, I'm not sure if I'm willing to pay extra $ for better compatibility, I'm pretty much decided for G34F791, both Acer and Asus are ~ $500 more so G sync in this respect seems to be waste of money for little benefit

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7 hours ago, Dylan86.exe said:

Got any decent games for it yet??

only old games, last one I played was Borderlands 2, plan to buy Battlefield 1 as my first, love those WW shooting games :)

 

6 hours ago, Bunno77 said:

PS4 for playing sports and racing with a large amount of online players

PC for everything else

that would be great but I think waste of HW for occasional player like me :)

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16 minutes ago, Noum said:

@kukynas

 

If you go with console and a controller, please! record ya' first 30 hours of game play for me ;)

 

With the FPS's that is :cool:

LOL first 30 hours??? that would be challenge :lol:, anyway I've decided to go PC road for now so will let you know how it goes... I presume first few days I'll need to get used to 1500R curved monitor

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@kukynas Well, the first three would be the most fun to watch :lol: Unless I'm the only one that sux with a game pad.

 

Curved monitor?

 

Looking at some 34" ultra wide ones on youtube, looks pretty cool!

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1 minute ago, kukynas said:

@Noum  cuz I will use PC I will stick to keyboard & mouse for now but for sure will try a game pad in the near future

 

yep, I bought Sami C34F791

Very nice! What sort of games you into? Ill throw some names out

 

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1 minute ago, Dylan86.exe said:

Very nice! What sort of games you into? Ill throw some names out

FPS and racing as stated in my first post, mainly single player shooting campaign like Battlefield, COD etc...

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2 minutes ago, kukynas said:

FPS and racing as stated in my first post, mainly single player shooting campaign like Battlefield, COD etc...

Cool. We have similar taste.
You should check out Titan fall 2. Its one of the best FPS games I've played in a long time. We have a nice group going online for MP on Discord chat if you're into getting together on weekends for a session, and the campaign is excellent for SP.
Also Forza Horizon 3 is good if you're into doing your cars up and racing.
I hear Project cars 2 is excellent - but I don't have it yet.
Battlefield 1 is ...ok. Nice graphics but it's hard if you're not in a squad.. Expect to get destroyed for a while until you get up to speed. I got the new COD and ended up un-installing it within about 30 mins. it was awful. Almost an exact rip-off of BF1.

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My first 3 I wanted to explore are BF1, Wollfestein: The New Order and Gears of War 4, I liked those originals back in the days so I'd like to follow up where I finished with their predecessors, I got few years backlog so lot of games to catch up :lol:

I liked the NFS series so waiting for new one to be realeased

Thanks for heads up about TF2 I'll have a look, I'm pretty sure if there will be oportunity to try MP I will PM you for more details ;)

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it seems like origin yearly access for 25 EUR is way to go or? I got several games on my origin account from the past so it might be easier this way... 

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8 hours ago, kukynas said:

it seems like origin yearly access for 25 EUR is way to go or? I got several games on my origin account from the past so it might be easier this way... 

It's cheap. I've considered it. But your limited to EA games only. Have you got Steam? They usually have sales on and you can pick up games dirt cheap.

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only problem with PC is that it won't have Last Of Us, I'll be buying a PS4 when it comes out specifically for that

if you're not interested in that or other PS4 exclusives then buy/upgrade your pc to suit your needs.

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7 hours ago, Dylan86.exe said:

It's cheap. I've considered it. But your limited to EA games only. Have you got Steam? They usually have sales on and you can pick up games dirt cheap.

re. Steam I will need to look at it as I can't remember if I ever played through Steam or not but anyway I should be fine with origin for couple of months :)

 

7 hours ago, Benny G said:

only problem with PC is that it won't have Last Of Us, I'll be buying a PS4 when it comes out specifically for that

if you're not interested in that or other PS4 exclusives then buy/upgrade your pc to suit your needs.

this is one of the downsides, some of the good games are only available via PS4 or xbox but maintaining all of those just because of few games would be pretty expensive so it's always tradeoff...

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A while back they offered all three FEAR games for 15 bucks, I got the second for 6 bucks via steam.

 

They do have some good specials at times.

 

Edit: still haven't completed it yet, same as Far Cry 3 and Ghost Recon Future Soldier :lol:

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before we start here is my mess, it's good mess serving me for long time and if I won't decide to clean it it might serving me even longer :lol:

 

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so finally chosen to tearing my old PC a part and make it ready for new HW, below part of the chassis where new water cooling block with 2x140 fans supposed to be attached

 

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and here's a shot why it won't work, those HDD holders aren't detachable, very disappointing find it out late evening :emot-bang::emot-bang::emot-bang:

 

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fortunately I'm living in country where's nothing impossible, quick internet search, placing an order, tomorrow morning delivery...

in the meantime will start preparing everything and make it ready for new chassis, stay tuned....

 

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Ya' thread has inspired me to download Lost Alpha. A better pace for me at this age.

 

Loved Shadow of Chernobyl.

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@Noum  lot of games to explore these days :)

 

slower than I expected, yesterday I didn't do much, most of the yesterday I spent behind kitchen sink fixing water pipes, than outside with family and day was gone :( , top of that this morning I realized that old mobo won't work, it does contain only 1 PCIe (mini ATX) slot but I forgot about wifi PCIe card so had to ordered new mobo, should be delivered later afternoon...

Started to work on new chassis (Phanteks Eclipse P400 white) so will report more later this evening...

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2 minutes ago, kukynas said:

@Noum  lot of games to explore these days :)

 

slower than I expected, yesterday I didn't do much, most of the yesterday I spent behind kitchen sink fixing water pipes, than outside with family and day was gone :( , top of that this morning I realized that old mobo won't work, it does contain only 1 PCIe (mini ATX) slot but I forgot about wifi PCIe card so had to ordered new mobo, should be delivered later afternoon...

Started to work on new chassis (Phanteks Eclipse P400 white) so will report more later this evening...

Haha i know that feeling. A lot changes between builds.

 

Let us know if you need help with anything.

 

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7 minutes ago, kukynas said:

@Noum  lot of games to explore these days :)

 

slower than I expected, yesterday I didn't do much, most of the yesterday I spent behind kitchen sink fixing water pipes, than outside with family and day was gone :( , top of that this morning I realized that old mobo won't work, it does contain only 1 PCIe (mini ATX) slot but I forgot about wifi PCIe card so had to ordered new mobo, should be delivered later afternoon...

Started to work on new chassis (Phanteks Eclipse P400 white) so will report more later this evening...

Nice case :thumb:

 

Love the newer cases, can't understand how we used to use the older ones with crappy ventilation two or three noisy 8cm fans if ya' had a good one :(

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The joys of the xray engine, had to uninstall Directors cut then the game, then pull the audigy card and revert to on-board audio, then update graphics driver and reinstall the game, then 3003 patch and directors cut mod.....and now it works...easy! :lol:

 

Edit: Oops, I better stop using ya' thread to rant on my game :blush:

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22 hours ago, Dylan86.exe said:

Haha i know that feeling. A lot changes between builds.

 

Let us know if you need help with anything.

 

nothing specific so far except it goes sloooow :) but thanks anyway

 

22 hours ago, Noum said:

Nice case :thumb:

 

Love the newer cases, can't understand how we used to use the older ones with crappy ventilation two or three noisy 8cm fans if ya' had a good one :(

exactly, those el cheapo cases with boring design, noisy fans and no cable management

 

17 hours ago, Noum said:

Edit: Oops, I better stop using ya' thread to rant on my game :blush:

no worries, free to post any rant related to PC and gaming ;)

 

so, again no time for PC during the day but spent coupe of hours on it late evening...first problem with pipe fitings, didn't check that GTX doesn't contain any and of course I bought only 4 of them for pump and radiator :emot-bang: , so little bit of improvisation was required, not sure if it's visible on below picture but those with transparent pipe are 13/10 and those with black pipe are 11/8, I just re-used those originaly installed on pump and radiator, doesn't look best but who cares :lol:

consequently installed everything in place and start filling coolant, because the pump doesn't use separate water tank I had to use syringe and filling it up carefully bit by bit, it's still not done yet as I've seen bubbles comming out of radiator so will continue today, it's time consuming, fill a bit, close the pump, shake the case, open the pump, fill it again and so on... 

hopefully it'll be done today so that I can start connecting all the cables (pump is running from external PSU to protect mobo in case water start leaking somewhere) and accesories, tomorrow software and completion in case of no other fxck ups show up :lol:    

 

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