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There is a few members moving across to MoOde as the software choice for Pi serve control. It has an excellent GUI, similar in some ways to  Volumio but far better and much even better sounding. It is a mature produce with version 3.X.X up for download ($10) and 4.X.X up for release around Xmas. 

 

I felt it needed its own thread and hope it gets good support. Pi music servers are the next step from any type of computer server either desktop or laptop and really make them quite redundant. Pi servers being dedicated and quiet and a fraction the price of any other music server with very inexpensive software and very well supported. Definitely the latest advancement in file based music. 

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Been using Moode for the past 3 months and just just flashed v3.8.4.1. To my ears also the best sounding of the 3. After most of the Audiophonic Dac hats I have settled on the latest Sabre ES9028 as being the most suited to my ears and system. The dac chip is fully balanced but the board is only fitted with rca, however I am using an rca/xlr cable to run into my balanced pre. Maybe the rca is configured balanced as I can see trying to incorporate xlr out would be a real estate challenge. Maybe we'll see mini xlr out in future. Still some latency issues driving it all from my Samsung S6. Maybe I need a more suitable phone and a better quality router.

I have a powered HDD (own internal battery) hooked up to the pi and it takes a good half hour to initialise the entire 500GB content for the first time before play.

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1 hour ago, PicoWattson said:

I have a powered HDD (own internal battery) hooked up to the pi and it takes a good half hour to initialise the entire 500GB content for the first time before play.

Weird... I have a Pi3 with a 3 TB HDD plugged in as well, with a separate power supply. MPD is configured such that the moment the Pi is up, it just starts playing. The library initialising thing was done only once.

 

Still have to give Mo0de a go. Can you contact the maker for questions? I'd really struggle to let go of Spotify, especially as I cannot stream it from somewhere else....

Cheers,

 

Alberto

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That's sort of what I meant, however I may have expressed it somewhat differently. The MPD takes a while to configure the the library the first only once time. Then plays immediately on subsequent playback. Hope that makes it a little less weird. You can contact Tim for questions and he is very accommodating and swift in his response.

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I've sent Tim an email, see what happens. All going well, I'll be setting up Moode soon enough I think.

 

Cheers,

 

Alberto

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7 hours ago, betocool said:

@mwhouston, ha ha, thanks... yes, I could. It's about getting spotify to run.

If you get it going lets us know. Spotify and Tidal are quite popular. For me, buy once, play many times.

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I got an answer from Tim. Librespot works on Moode (I'll give that one a go), but he's not integrating in because of some volume issues (100% settings and so on). That does not concern me because I deactivate software volume and use the amp for that.

 

I just purchased moode. I'll wait for the key and get busy as soon as I can.

 

Cheers,

 

Alberto

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3 hours ago, betocool said:

I got an answer from Tim. Librespot works on Moode (I'll give that one a go), but he's not integrating in because of some volume issues (100% settings and so on). That does not concern me because I deactivate software volume and use the amp for that.

 

I just purchased moode. I'll wait for the key and get busy as soon as I can.

 

Cheers,

 

Alberto

I disable the volume control also. I'm sure it would bit strip but asking Tim would give us the answer. My DIY preamp doesn't have a remote so I burn a few cals each time I play music. I wouldn't use MoOde vol. even if it dint bit strip.

 

When you get MoOde going make sure to let us know what you think and without biasing you see if you think it sounds better.

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Has anybody used the 2x20 pin GPIO header to extract digital via I2s and feed a DAC? 

I have the pinout details but not sure where to obtain the 40 pin header to make up a suitable GPIO/mini HDMI cable.

Sure there are plenty available ex US for $3 with a $30 shipping cost!!! Amazon has them but does not ship to Oz.

Anyone know where to source these in Oz?

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I'm sure the 40 pin header is the same used on old hard disc drive's data cable. If so Jaycar sell them and ribbon cable. Make your own.

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Thanks Mark I'll check that out. Wont need the ribbon as there are only 4 wires out so I'll probably use some lengths of 28AWG 7n unobtanium wrapped in an ultra low dielectric goose down jacket.

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Right-o... First impressions.

 

It works, very damn good! Install was a breeze (although I did screw up a bit with a less than optimal power supply, which had me reimaging the SD card a second time), and then scanning the library (plugged in HDD to the Pi3) took a little. But I didn't measure.

 

First off, "Hell Freezes Over" and "Crime of the Century". They sounded bloody good! (That's about the extent of my written prose paraphernalia). I do get the feeling that bass is a bit more in your face, without being muddy? Defined, that's what comes to mind (and that word pops out very often with me). I haven't done more serious listening though, but it's certainly a keeper. I haven't done the spotify bit either, but after two pints at the pub after work and later my missus offering me a beer at home... I think I might do it tomorrow or so.

 

Today in the morning, I played "1967 - 1970", or "The Blue Album" from the Beatles. Mind you, it was a vinyl rip. I usually rip my records at 48Khz, but since it was morning and I was mucking about making breakfast I didn't check what Moode was saying in regards of sampling rates. It sounded incredible! "While my guitar gently weeps" and "Back in the USSR" (two favourites from way back when I was a wee lad) had me playing air guitar and raising the volume in front of my astounded (and slightly worried) kids. Or maybe I was in a good mood...

 

Still, good work on behalf of the Moode team and Tim Curtis who.

 

I still need to figure out how to get the library sorted by artist though, as a default it's by album. But I also use MPDroid from my phone, so all's well.

 

Cheers,

 

Alberto

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Mate, good to hear. You are echoing what, now, many others are saying. For some reason Moode just sounds better. Still can't figure why but for $10 it's worth it.

 

Moode really ticks all the boxes for presention then throws in better sound for good measure. I'm hooked that's for sure. 

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I got Spotify running, worth a try if you want. I'll post what I did here.

 

Login to your Pi using: (this works on a Linux PC, you might have to download an SSH client for windows)

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 ssh -lpi moode.local

 

It may ask something about a new key, just say "yes". Then there's a prompt for the password "moodeaudio".

 

Go to your home directory:

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cd /home/pi/

 

create a new folder and go into the new folder
 

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mkdir librespot

cd librespot

 

 

Download the zip file with the compiled binary (program). At this point it's the release from 17 July 2017, but it may update from time to time. Check which version it is. Anyway, as of today, you can download the file:

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Once it's finished, unzip the file (always stay in the same folder)

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 unzip librespot-linux-armhf-raspberry_pi.zip

 

You can test if it works for you (I didn't and it took me a while). Run the program:

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./librespot --name MoodeLibre --cache /tmp --bitrate 320 --username yourusername --password yourpassword --backend alsa --device plughw:1

 

--name shows the name in your Spotify app

--bitrate the sampling bit rate (doh!)

--username here you type your spotify username

--password ditto your password

--backend it's the linux sound driver (I think?)

--device it's your audio device. In my particular case, the Gieseler Klein DAC works with plughw:1. A RPi audio hat might work with hw:0 or hw:1. You'll know when it starts playing.

 

It will show some information about if it started playing and what not, and if all goes well, you have a new device available on your Spotify app. If that works for you (I assume it will), now we want to automate the process to start each time the Pi is started. Enter as "root" and create a new file with the correct parameters:

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sudo su

nano /etc/systemd/system/spotify-connect.service

 

 

Type the following into the new file:

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[Unit]
Description=Spotify Connect
After=network-online.target
[Service]
Type=idle
User=root
ExecStart=/home/pi/librespot/librespot --name MoodeLibre --cache /tmp --bitrate 320 --username myUserName --password MyPassword --backend alsa --device plughw:1 > dev/null 2>&1
Restart=always
RestartSec=10
StartLimitInterval=30
StartLimitBurst=20
[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target

 

(on the ExecStart line use the same device that worked for you in the previous test)

Exit with "Ctrl-X", and prompt to save (it will ask you anyway).

 

Register the service, and start it.

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systemctl enable spotify-connect.service

systemctl start spotify-connect.service

 

 

You can check if it's running with

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systemctl status spotify-connect.service

 

That should get you going. Hope it helps.

 

And yes, moOde rocks!

 

Cheers,

 

Alberto

 

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Li'l update here. Been running moode with an HDD powered through a USB hub. So far so good, at least for a while. HDD starts dropping. How do I know? Easy, it drops too often, so I go to the Pi, look at the drive, and whaddaya know, the moment before the sound drops, the HDD goes "clunk" and then resumes. How about that for troubleshooting?

 

Anyways, fast forward a few weeks, moved out and into a new abode, and luck has it that I now can connect the Pi via cable to my main router. The main router and the server are connected via a wireless link (~80MBits, measured with iPerf), so the Pi now reads all the music from the NAS. It hasn't dropped and it hasn't missed a beat so far, so, good going. Spotify still working fine as usual, and now I can take that HDD, format it and see if it is worth something or keep it for some other...

 

So yeah, pretty happy with it so far. Anyone tried version 4 yet?

 

Cheers,

 

Alberto

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If the drivers a clunk'n its means it's a hunt'n. It probaly won't format. Generally a head crash usually by being moved while on. 

 

Fortunately drives are cheap. Try but I think it's dead. 

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It's still working though... just clunking a bit! Will run a full set of tests these days.

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@betocool formating it will prove its functioning fully or not. There are probably program ps which can jump and lockout bad sectors but the drive would still be unreliable. 

 

I would imagine its old or just had a hard life?

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On 11/25/2017 at 7:41 PM, betocool said:

Li'l update here. Been running moode with an HDD powered through a USB hub. So far so good, at least for a while. HDD starts dropping. How do I know? Easy, it drops too often, so I go to the Pi, look at the drive, and whaddaya know, the moment before the sound drops, the HDD goes "clunk" and then resumes. How about that for troubleshooting?

 

Anyways, fast forward a few weeks, moved out and into a new abode, and luck has it that I now can connect the Pi via cable to my main router. The main router and the server are connected via a wireless link (~80MBits, measured with iPerf), so the Pi now reads all the music from the NAS. It hasn't dropped and it hasn't missed a beat so far, so, good going. Spotify still working fine as usual, and now I can take that HDD, format it and see if it is worth something or keep it for some other...

 

So yeah, pretty happy with it so far. Anyone tried version 4 yet?

 

Cheers,

 

Alberto

I just finished building a Release: 4 BETA10 2017-11-26  SD card, and damn, talk about tedious. It took me about 4 hours in all, and I think I may still have some minor issues. It didn't help when cutting and pasting from the build instructions, that my mouse seems to have developed an intermittent right button click. Sometimes it just wouldn't paste until about 3 or 4 clicks, and other times I'd click once and it pasted twice.

 

Haven't had it running for long enough to really evaluate the improvements, just playing the first album on it now. I'll have a bit of a play with it over the weekend and see what it can do. @mwhouston One thing I do like though, you can use <Album Artist> to populate the artist list, which I couldn't do on my older pre paid version :). This makes it so much better if you have a lot of compilation albums, where it use to show every artist that ever appeared on any of your compilation discs, making the artist list ridiculously long.

 

And another thing, it's by donation now, so no buy before you try version anymore. V3.5 - V3.8 don't even show on the website anymore.

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