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Going Digital - Goodbye Vinyl

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I'm considering going to a digital front end after spending the last 7 years listening exclusively to vinyl. I tried to do it on the cheap to compliment my analog front end once and gave up as it was rubbish in comparison. Mainly due to my vinyl rig costing over 4 times as much as my digital expenditure.

 

I love the thought of purchasing music from the comfort of my home and downloading it right there and then as well as the convenience of streaming. My intention is not to sell all my records and write vinyl off, more to get a system that is more convenient. I can't afford to have a digital setup that I'd be happy with sound wise and keep my vinyl front end.

 

Maybe it'll help if I list my system as it is now for a point of reference.

 

Cart - Benz Wood SL

TT - VPI Scout

Phono - NVO SPA II

2A3 SET Amp

Speakers - Bastanis Wildhorn 

 

I guess my budget would be around $4750. Will only buy second hand to maximise my $$. Oh, you can probably tell from my system I prefer musical over analytical and like valves.

 

From what I can see I need a Music Server and a DAC. What do people who have digital and vinyl or who have made the move think here? What should I consider? Any pit falls to be aware of etc

 

I don't know much about this digital stuff so help me out. Also important that it's user friendly.

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Jeddie said:

Welcome to the dark side. 

 

I thought that's what's said when going the other way?

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Get any R2R dac like Holo Spring or Denafrips.

 

Also get a streamer like Auralic Aries and a Synology NAS.

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12 minutes ago, Gryffles said:

 

I thought that's what's said when going the other way?

 

Depends which side your on.

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Make life easy and buy a streamer/DAC from Lumin, Aurender or NZ's own Antipodes and an external HDD or NAS. Would love to but I'm going the other way after 8 years of enforced digital (rug rats and cartridges :emot-bang:)

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Look at the range from Bluesound as a fine choice for your new direction 

I personally use a Node after trying other options and find it fulfilling 

 

If you want to make any streaming device to be more analytical - add a better DAC

If you want to make It more tubelike - add an iFi  ITube 

 

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Get a good digital setup to complement your vinyl setup by all means but don't get rid of your vinyl rig because you have a solid vinyl setup.

 

I'm using Yggdrasil and Ragnarok, which in my opinion sounds amazing through my headphones - HD800 and LCD-2f. I had this setup for 3.5 months now and have been extremely happy with it. I can't stop talking about it.... until...

 

Then last Sat, I was fortunate to be able to buy a Rega RP8 with Apheta cartridge here on SNA classifieds for a very good price. I also bought a Avid Pellar phono stage from LWA. This sounds astounding. I did not expect a vinyl rig to sound fast and clear. I hear every minute details through my HD800. I thought Yggdrasil is very resolving but this Rega rig is just as resolving, if not better and even sounds - more vinyl. :lol:

 

Welcome to the light and dark side. In reality, you need both sides. :party

 

 

 

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Thank you for your replies so far.

 

After talking to a couple of chaps who are in the know I'm looking at an Antipodes server and DAC options. 

 

The Antipodes will take a large chunk of my budget but I guess the crap in - crap out thinking applies to digital just like analog. No point having a great phono stage and poor TT and cart.

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@GryfflesI wouldn't rush on the Antipodes first up. If you have a laptop or PC you could setup Roon and use it with Tidal as a first step.

 

Is it a fair assumption that most of your music starting out is CD Rips?  If they are a reclocker like yellowtec puc lite, or Singxer SU1 (which I have for sale).

 

I would look at the Holo dac or Vinshine https://www.vinshineaudio.com/product-page/denafrips-venus-r2r-dac where you can get RJ45 connectors or I2S (HDMI) which is meant to be far superior.  The vinshine venus is Singapore $3,850 delivered world wide.  Both the Vinshine and Holo will give you heaps of flexibility going forward. Depending on storage of your computer you may need to get a NAS drive.

 

Hold off on the Antipodes I have one and with my Devialet it is now mostly redundant as I stream over the ethernet cables at home using a laptop and a NAS.

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@Nap250 thanks for your advice.

 

I do have a laptop but it's 4 years old now and a bit crap. The sound doesn't work either.

 

My music wouldn't be CD rips as I don't have a large collection so would use Tidal. I do have a 1TB external hard drive full of music (flac). I'm presuming that I could slowly purchase some downloads too.

 

So with the above info would you say I'd need a new laptop along with a DAC to proceed with your suggested method?

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This is COMPLETELY against my own interests, 'cause I'd much rather buy back all that vinyl you have (!), but please try and keep both setups at least in the short term.

 

I've been down this road before, and if you should change your mind, god help you having to re-buy all that vinyl again some point in the future.

Find somewhere (or someone) you can trust to store it in/with, and go charging on, I say.

 

bon voyage mate :thumb:

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@candyflip 100% keeping all my vinyl and will keep buying some too! I've had a couple of wise folk tell me to hang on to it.

 

I sold around 60 LP's 18 months ago and miss them now. Bummer. Cheers for your thoughts jon

 

   

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17 minutes ago, Gryffles said:

@Nap250 thanks for your advice.

 

I do have a laptop but it's 4 years old now and a bit crap. The sound doesn't work either.

 

My music wouldn't be CD rips as I don't have a large collection so would use Tidal. I do have a 1TB external hard drive full of music (flac). I'm presuming that I could slowly purchase some downloads too.

 

So with the above info would you say I'd need a new laptop along with a DAC to proceed with your suggested method?

Hi,  don't  use the computer sound card or it will sound dreadful. You will need a Dac first. My laptop is 5 years old and I am running Roon with Tidal and a NAS drive. You can get a few weeks free trial on both. 

 

See if you can borrow a Dac. 

 

A second hand computer will be a lot cheaper than an Antipodes. Once you work out whether digital is what you really want you can upgrade. 

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@Gryffles

 

If I were you I would look at the following options:

  • Use the current laptop if you can
  • Borrow a dac if you can
  • or Buy a used dac  - Teac/Klein/Oppo 105 and a few others come to mind - very good value for money
  • if necessary buy a used usb/spdif converter - that is if the dac do not have a good usb input
  • Look at the alternative get a used SMS200 /microrendu/Aries as streamers.
  • Maybe start with the Raspberry pi stuff - easy to sell and upgrade

Or maybe an excellent starting point is the Aries mini that has an internal dac - about $450 used/demo and then you can build from there

 

If you would like to jump in and buy new the PS Audio Jnr can do all of the things you want  new in your budget.

 

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@Nap250 & @Jventer really appreciate your advice with this guys. I think I will do what you both suggest. Just try things out on the cheap and see how I like it and go from there.

 

I would be pretty disappointed if I spent all that money and didn't get what I was expecting.

 

 

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