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I'm comparing the Anthem MRX1120 to Yamaha RX-A3070.for a 7:2:4 setup. I was told the 1120 will only use the Atmos speakers when playing an Atmos sound track BD. Where as the 3070 can be configured to use the Atmos speakers when playing non Atmos soundtrack if you wanted. Any Anthem users thoughts on this....

I was also told the 1120 has 7x140 watt and 4x100 amps (2 100 watt Sterio amps) not the 11x140 watt like the book says.

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1 hour ago, SandS said:

I was told the 1120 will only use the Atmos speakers when playing an Atmos sound track BD. Where as the 3070 can be configured to use the Atmos speakers when playing non Atmos soundtrack if you wanted. Any Anthem users thoughts on this....

According to the manual (I have non Atmos 710), the 1120 will use the height (Atmos) speakers with AnthemLogic, Dolby Surround, DTS X. 

1 hour ago, SandS said:

I was also told the 1120 has 7x140 watt and 4x100 amps (2 100 watt Sterio amps) not the 11x140 watt like the book says.

 The 1120 has 5 Class A/B 140 watt amplifiers and 6 Class D 60 watt amplifiers. Some reviews, including SNA, got it wrong by saying it is 11x 140.

 

Note that the 3070 has 9 x 150W, so you do need an additional 2 channel amplifier for 7.2.4

 

Also, 1120 power consumption is 570W, not sure what the 3070 is.

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More importantly, have you heard both the Anthem & Yamaha?  And Anthem has ARC, considered one of the best room correction software. Have not read about anyone rating YPAO well.

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3 hours ago, Snoopy8 said:

 

 

Note that the 3070 has 9 x 150W, so you do need an additional 2 channel amplifier for 7.2.4

If I go the Yamaha path, I have the Cat 12C's for mains so 9 ch. ok

With the 1120 would 4x140 for surrounds and 4x60 for the hights be the best.

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28 minutes ago, SandS said:

If I go the Yamaha path, I have the Cat 12C's for mains so 9 ch. ok

With the 1120 would 4x140 for surrounds and 4x60 for the hights be the best.

You cannot reassign the main amps on the 1120.  No idea whether this is possible on the 3070?

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The Yamaha is starting to sound better, with 9ch. at 150 watts. Just got a call back from Anthem dealer, he said at first 11@140. But then said what you recon, 5@140,6@60. 

Two anthem dealers have tryed to sell me the Yamaha over the Anthem, unless I'm looking at the AVM60 pre/pro and $10k for amps 

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12 minutes ago, SandS said:

The Yamaha is starting to sound better, with 9ch. at 150 watts. Just got a call back from Anthem dealer, he said at first 11@140. But then said what you recon, 5@140,6@60.

I am not so sure about the Yamaha 9 x 150 W.  If you can find out the power consumption, that will give you a better idea of its power capabilities.

15 minutes ago, SandS said:

Two anthem dealers have tryed to sell me the Yamaha over the Anthem, unless I'm looking at the AVM60 pre/pro and $10k for amps 

Guessing here, but I suspect the Yamaha may have better margins??

 

Going back to my suggestion about listening to both - the Yamaha will likely sound different to the Anthem.  Let your ears be the judge...

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1 hour ago, SandS said:

The Yamaha is starting to sound better, with 9ch. at 150 watts. Just got a call back from Anthem dealer, he said at first 11@140. But then said what you recon, 5@140,6@60.

Yamaha 3070 has 9 x 150W, power consumption of 490W (from manual). Anthem 1120 has 5 x 140W, 6 x 60W, power consumption of 570W.  The power consumption is a better indicator of how much power the amps can produce.

2 hours ago, Snoopy8 said:

You cannot reassign the main amps on the 1120.  No idea whether this is possible on the 3070?

Can assign surround/rear amps to zones 2,3,4, probably not able to re assign main amps ?

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Good side by side comparison of specs

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-fXQVgDOQdyi/compare_022RXA3070_973MRX1120/Yamaha-AVENTAGE-RX-A3070-vs-Anthem-MRX-1120.html

A review of both AVRs plus others

https://www.themasterswitch.com/best-av-receivers

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Thanks for info. The two Anthem dealers near me, nether have an MRX 1120 to listen to. Only the AVM60.  A bit disappointing. I supose they think if you can afford Anthem you can afford to go all out. Reminds me of a time years ago in a hi fi shop I went to to listen to some Boston Acustic speakers, you had to go though the blue carpet room into the red carpet room, full of all high end gear, and I was given the impression that, 'you don't look like you can afford any of this stuff and we don't want to talk to you', never been back there.

One dealer had checked with the importer, Audio Active, and said 7 A/B class amps @140 and 4 D class @80 watts.

But I'll read these articles ........

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1 hour ago, SandS said:

One dealer had checked with the importer, Audio Active, and said 7 A/B class amps @140 and 4 D class @80 watts.

But I'll read these articles ........

https://www.anthemav.com/products-current/series=mrx-series/model=mrx-1120/page=specs

Definitely 60w for secondary speakers and 5 x 140W, see above specs.

 

Shame that the dealers and importer cannot get it correct!

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23 hours ago, SandS said:

Shame the two dealers near me can't give me a demo.

Don't let the 1120;s 6x60watt height/rear surround channels put you off Sands ; they are class d so more efficient than the 3070;s class ab which makes the power consumption snoopy mentioned all the better in anthems favour . anthem too may be more conservative in how they rate their amps output :)

Noteworthy too; the yam has useless composite and component analog inputs unlike the 1120 and upsamples video to uhd  res . The anthem afaik just has a clean video passthrough which makes more sense to me when we have superior deinterlacing/.scaling in our sources/displays where it belongs imo.. 

Note too; 1 review mentioned the yam may have impedance concerns with rare hard to drive impedances..   No support for four-ohm loudspeakers apart from front stereo pair 

 

Any chance either dealer can give you a NAD T777mk3 audition ? just to complicate things sorry:ninja:http://www.nadelectronics.com.au/nad_au/home-theatre/t-777-v3-av-surround-sound-receiver/c-37/c-1102/p-1601

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On 29/09/2017 at 8:27 PM, BenH said:

You can setup two inputs with the same source and have ARC on for one and off for the other if you want.

Ben

Thanks Ben

 

This helped me out.

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I recently too delivery of 3 PSA MTM-210's speakers for the front stage from Deephz in Melbourne and ran ARC-2 (AVM-60) and I'm pleased with the results. I added some room gain from 1.025 to 2.0. Everything so far sounds excellent.

 

 

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@SimonNo10 how did you find the move d2v to avm60 ? I know d2v is long back in tech but still a good unit. pity they have never replaced  or brought upto tech, but are you finding the avm60 measuring up to the still flagship ? 

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7 minutes ago, :) al said:

@SimonNo10 how did you find the move d2v to avm60 ? I know d2v is long back in tech but still a good unit. pity they have never replaced  or brought upto tech, but are you finding the avm60 measuring up to the still flagship ? 

It's not a huge step up in sound quality but for me ARC-2 is much more refined and an improvement over ARC-1 and for me there was an improvement after running ARC-2 with my system.

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@SimonNo10, am running my fronts and centre as full speakers, with Max Eq Frequency set to 300.  Found this ARC setting to be better for multi channel music and maybe slightly better for movies. Give it a try and see whether you like this tweak.

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6 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said:

@SimonNo10, am running my fronts and centre as full speakers, with Max Eq Frequency set to 300.  Found this ARC setting to be better for multi channel music and maybe slightly better for movies. Give it a try and see whether you like this tweak.

So your Max Eq is 300 not 3000? Just clarifying.

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14 minutes ago, SimonNo10 said:

It's not a huge step up in sound quality but for me ARC-2 is much more refined and an improvement over ARC-1 and for me there was an improvement after running ARC-2 with my system.

thanks for the comparative feedback :)

 

one good thing I see is anthem are offering a calibrated mic option in future with their arc mobile app which is a positive thing I think for those chasing more accuracy of measurement and eq :)

 

https://www.anthemav.com/anthem-room-correction.php

ARC Mobile Makes It Even Easier

ARC Mobile allows you to optimize your ARC enabled speakers by using either the internal microphone of the iOS device (for basic room correction) or an optional calibrated microphone (for advanced room correction -- coming soon!). Optional calibrated microphones, which connect via headphone jack, will be included with compatible Anthem, Paradigm, and MartinLogan products.
The ARC Mobile app is available for free to iOS users on the Apple Store and will be expanded to include Android devices in the future. The app supports Anthem’s MRX Series of AV Receivers (x10 & x20 versions), Anthem’s AVM 60 Pre-Amplifier / Processor, Paradigm’s Premium Wireless Series (PW AMP, PW 600, PW 800, PW Link, and PW Soundbar), and MartinLogan’s Wireless Ensemble (Forte, Unison, Bravado, and Cadence).
To download the ARC Mobile app now, visit the Apple App Store here.

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8 minutes ago, SimonNo10 said:

So your Max Eq is 300 not 3000? Just clarifying.

Yes, three hundred! This was one of things mentioned in the Geeks guides that I posted in the first post of this thread.  The argument is that ARC should not unnecessarily interfering with the natural frequency response of good speakers (and you have them!).   Looking at your charts, you may want to trial 300, 500, 700 (you have 4 profiles to play with).

7 minutes ago, :) al said:

ARC Mobile allows you to optimize your ARC enabled speakers by using either the internal microphone of the iOS device (for basic room correction) or an optional calibrated microphone (for advanced room correction -- coming soon!). Optional calibrated microphones, which connect via headphone jack, will be included with compatible Anthem, Paradigm, and MartinLogan products.

I too got excited when I heard about this App, because it opened up ARC to the Apple crowd.  Note the words though:  "basic room correction" !  The App will only do stereo and until this upcoming optional calibrated microphone is available, no use for HT.  I hope (but not optimistic) that microphone can be used for other applications?  The current supplied one is locked into Anthem and I had to purchase another calibrated mic for use with REW. :angry:

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I recently too delivery of 3 PSA MTM-210's speakers for the front stage from Deephz in Melbourne and ran ARC-2 (AVM-60) and I'm pleased with the results. I added some room gain from 1.025 to 2.0. Everything so far sounds excellent.

 

 

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That looks great Simon

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10 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said:

Yes, three hundred! This was one of things mentioned in the Geeks guides that I posted in the first post of this thread.  The argument is that ARC should not unnecessarily interfering with the natural frequency response of good speakers (and you have them!).   Looking at your charts, you may want to trial 300, 500, 700 (you have 4 profiles to play with).

I too got excited when I heard about this App, because it opened up ARC to the Apple crowd.  Note the words though:  "basic room correction" !  The App will only do stereo and until this upcoming optional calibrated microphone is available, no use for HT.  I hope (but not optimistic) that microphone can be used for other applications?  The current supplied one is locked into Anthem and I had to purchase another calibrated mic for use with REW. :angry:

Thanks for that I'll try it tonight :).

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29 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said:

Yes, three hundred! This was one of things mentioned in the Geeks guides that I posted in the first post of this thread.  The argument is that ARC should not unnecessarily interfering with the natural frequency response of good speakers (and you have them!).   Looking at your charts, you may want to trial 300, 500, 700 (you have 4 profiles to play with).

I too got excited when I heard about this App, because it opened up ARC to the Apple crowd.  Note the words though:  "basic room correction" !  The App will only do stereo and until this upcoming optional calibrated microphone is available, no use for HT.  I hope (but not optimistic) that microphone can be used for other applications?  The current supplied one is locked into Anthem and I had to purchase another calibrated mic for use with REW. :angry:

good feedback there snoopy, can you quote me (to bring to my attention) depending on what you do find in future when this new microphone access becomes available. I agree "basic" sounds no good and neither that only good for 2ch. hopefully something enabled for full use for ht as well with the new capability. I understand the locking to anthem though as no doubt has to link to their calibration file. 

 

I see this calibrated mic step as one forward. vs say marantz taking one step back with new units where can no longer use a calibrated mic.

 

hopefully the new step forward with the calibrated mic on the anthem does mean can actually use it though :D 

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2 minutes ago, :) al said:

good feedback there snoopy, can you quote me (to bring to my attention) depending on what you do find in future when this new microphone access becomes available. I agree "basic" sounds no good and neither that only good for 2ch. hopefully something enabled for full use for ht as well with the new capability. I understand the locking to anthem though as no doubt has to link to their calibration file. 

 

I see this calibrated mic step as one forward. vs say marantz taking one step back with new units where can no longer use a calibrated mic.

 

hopefully the new step forward with the calibrated mic on the anthem does mean can actually use it though :D 

I'll try to update you but I have little interest in Apple (sorry!). Anthem always came with a calibrated mic and a good metal stand. Heard that maybe that metal stand is going plastic but I am pretty sure the calibrated mic stays.  Strange that Marantnz is going away from using one. I assume then that anyone going Audyssey Pro would need to get one? Or is Pro restricted to specialist only (like you)?

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