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17 minutes ago, pgdownload said:

I wouldn't be surprised to find that there are actually 2 or more 2160p versions that mean a drop in PQ as the bitrate drops. 

There is nothing to that effect I have seen in fairly detailed descriptions Netflix have published about how they create their libraries. [As a matter of detail,  Netflix do state they create extra versions for 480p and 720p resolution limited devices to provide a higher bitrate alternative for such devices, because even with a fast internet connection such devices are unable to access a high bitrate higher resolution version in the library.]

I would agree though that in theory it would be open to Netflix to create a reduced bitrate 2160p version in addition to their standard 2160p version. 

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2 hours ago, MLXXX said:

The focus of this thread is whether people are finding NBN download rates fast enough in practice to access UHD [streaming]. 

Not with all that quality copper out there... ;)

I thought this part of that article was also interesting;

HFC trials so far have been encouraging and there is no doubt that the planned DOCSIS3.1 technology can deliver superfast internet speeds, but it will not be cheap and the major rollout will not begin until 2017-18.

There's many users on WP who are experiencing much slower speeds than expected on "NBN" accounts... but we all know it's not really a proper fibre connection, so why it's called "NBN" is beyond me.

JSmith :ninja:

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7 hours ago, JSmith said:

Not with all that quality copper out there... ;)

I understand that If FTTN cabinets are installed in a district then the copper from the vicinity of the cabinet locations back to the exchange won't be needed after a while, as phone traffic will be routed through the cabinets direct to NBN fibre. That'll be a lot of copper wiring to decommission!

(Some exchanges cover a wide geographical area. This webpage can be used to show approximate boundaries for ADSL2+ capable exchanges:  http://www.adsl2exchanges.com.au/ )

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7 hours ago, MLXXX said:

I understand that If FTTN cabinets are installed in a district then the copper from the vicinity of the cabinet locations back to the exchange won't be needed after a while, as phone traffic will be routed through the cabinets direct to NBN fibre. That'll be a lot of copper wiring to decommission!

Come to think of it I wonder how NBNCo manage that transition. You have 250 copper wires (from nearby homes) that essentially snake all the way back to the exchange. The cabinets need to be built and connected back to the exchange by fibre first obviously. But then at some point all the copper wires will just be spliced into the cabinet. must be a big day. But yes, after that the copper wiring from the cabinet to the exchange is available to pull out.

Regards

Peter Gillespie

 

 

 

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The real question is;

Is the recovered copper from the cable worth more than the cost of pulling out the cable?

 

Alanh

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11 minutes ago, alanh said:

Is the recovered copper from the cable worth more than the cost of pulling out the cable? Alanh

Guess they'll decide that then. I do know we had a spate of people stealing copper cabling from the train lines a few years back. Caused all sorts of safety issues. Not sure what coppers worth these days.

Regards

Peter Gillespie

 

 

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1 hour ago, alanh said:

The real question is;

Is the recovered copper from the cable worth more than the cost of pulling out the cable?

Alanh

Nah...

Even if it were, do you imply it should be left there?

JSmith :ninja:

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46 minutes ago, JSmith said:

Even if it were, do you imply it should be left there?

That would make the most sense. As the government has explained, fibre is already almost obsolete. There's every chance some new faster than light tech that can make use of degraded copper wiring will be discovered soon. Best leave it to save having to run all that copper out again.

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Peter Gillespie

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Good one peter,

I am not saying the cable should be left there, but if the profit from removing it is not high enough it will be left there.

Also consider removing the insulation to regain the copper. How much pollution will be caused by burning insulation both between individual wires and the outside protective covering.

After all the copper will have to be melted down.

Alanh

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7 hours ago, pgdownload said:

There's every chance some new faster than light tech that can make use of degraded copper wiring will be discovered soon.

I highly doubt that mate! :lol:

To lay fibre in many of these conduits the copper wiring has to be removed.

JSmith :ninja:

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Well aren't I glad I decided to check up on my suburb getting the nbn *insert major sarcasm here*

Prior to the election of the libs (1st time), my suburb was due to get FTTP commencing within 3 months, after the election I looked on nbn website and saw "indefinitely postponed" ?

Now......... well I just checked and I'm getting frickin HFC in 1st half of 2017, let's see if the supposed upgrades (such as DOCSIS3. 1) will deliver real improvement in dl speeds. FYI, I'm currently on Optus cable and get a respectable 30mbps at 8am...........that drops to 2-3mbps at 8pm due to congestion. 

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On 16/08/2016 at 1:42 PM, pgdownload said:

That would make the most sense. As the government has explained, fibre is already almost obsolete. There's every chance some new faster than light tech that can make use of degraded copper wiring will be discovered soon. Best leave it to save having to run all that copper out again.

Regards

Peter Gillespie

somebody at NBN must have read this post Peter, given them an idea, and a memo issued to all departments to come up with some fictional technology based on the use of smoke and mirrors to make people forget they arent getting FTTP anytime soon

http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/nbn/nbn-to-trial-groundbreaking-new-copper-broadband-technology/news-story/9531e3c6e6a0b9e735aeb250577fdab9

 

NEW technology that holds out the hope of dramatically improving Australia’s much maligned internet speeds is being trialled by the National Broadband Network.

The “groundbreaking” technology would dramatically beef up the capability of the copper network, opening the door for far superior internet performance for customers.

 

NOKIA?, yeah right, 5 years?, yeah double right

:rolleyes:

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Smoke and Mirrors? I suppose you could describe fibre cable as mirrors without the smoke :)

In theory it could happen, but I suppose that's point. In practice whatever newer technologies are gradually invented (and they will be invented) are almost certain to involve similar cost and time to implement. Even taking this one on face value it requires node boxes every 50m-100m instead of the current 500m-1000m NBN FTTN plan. 

I agree though. Marketing brochure's farmed out to new organisations hungry for a bit of easy journalism to post online doesn't make for much optimism.  

Regards

Peter Gillespie

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On ‎17‎/‎08‎/‎2016 at 7:52 PM, BoogieWonderland said:

 FYI, I'm currently on Optus cable and get a respectable 30mbps at 8am...........that drops to 2-3mbps at 8pm due to congestion. 

I'm on Telstra Foxtel HFC cable and get 130 mbps on a good day/time and it never gets below 40 mbps.

 

Cheers

Gary

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19 minutes ago, GaryCook said:

I'm on Telstra Foxtel HFC cable and get 130 mbps on a good day/time and it never gets below 40 mbps.

 

Cheers

Gary

Unbelievably fast there ...  I am sure you are the envy of many on this forum.

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1 hour ago, MrC said:

Unbelievably fast there ...  I am sure you are the envy of many on this forum.

Underground cable, with a node about half way along the street (90'ish houses, no units) so it's not far from my house to the node, then I've been told it's 3k's of fibre optic to the exchange which was upgraded about 5 years ago.  As a result I really don't give a rats about NBN, which would probably cost me more as well.

BTW, that's no accident, the availability of HPC cable was one of the considerations in choosing the location. 

Cheers

Gary    

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