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3 hours ago, :) al said:

not sure really how much of an upgrade the 205 is over the 105 audio wise reading this note from owners thread over in avs,

 

Official OPPO UDP-205 UHD Blu-ray Player Owner's Thread

"I'm actually debating and thinking about returning the Oppo 205 and just keeping my 105. I paid retail and it's just not a big enough upgrade over the 105. I'm not getting my uhd tv until later in the year and in the meantime maybe I can get one later down the line discounted online. It works and sounds great but so did my 105. emoji482.png to all enjoying there new player. "

 

Thst was Post 311....

 

heres post 315:

 

So I plugged my 105 back and played same material, same connections and all. No relay sounds coming from the 105, unlike the 205 when switching from DSD to other formats like CD or FLAC files. Oh well! I'll admit the background on the 105 was a lot better. Oh well I get the 205 down the road.

 

I don't think this guy had any intentions of keeping it as he doesn't even have a 4K display and is willing to wait till they are discounted.  The clicking he's hearing can be because it's like they say relay switching or the Sabre 9038 dac adjusting and adapting to the format making the clicks when switching from DSD to different formats, or the latter and they mute out the audible pops and clicks as the 9038 switches between formats via the muting relays.  As long as it doesn't cause pops and clicks during the music tracks is all that counts but this owner is using that as an excuse to return it! 

 

I've just gone through the whole thread and it seems like early days as owners are just receiving there 205 and are finding there way around it.   I can't post on that forum but there are other posters with positive comments on the 2 channel.  

 

One positive is that the 205 allows you to select filter settings and it looks like there are 7 according to Bob.  You couldn't do that before on the 105 but not that you are going to hear the difference.  

 

Theres no mention of disc skipping like on the 203 but like I said it's early days and owners are just finding there way around it.

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I think he is just talking of relays clicking that the 105 doesnt have. But look at end of it thats the luxury the guys in the us have AM. if they dont think its worth keeping, and looks it doesnt seem like it seems worth keeping for him after comparing back. And they get anything between 30-90 days to return to oppo. we dont get that kind of luxury by default not coming directly from oppo.

 

am yet to read anything with regards audio wise being an upgrade over the 105 apart from that fellow that doesnt think its worth it. selectable filters ? gee wiz I think we were talking that in players from last decade ! but heck if thats reason enough am sure people will buy if they see of value :)

 

re skipping freezing locking up and such. i'll sure be on the look out for that sort of thing. but something i for one will have to evaluate on my own. unfortunately one of the probs with avs and few will tell you this there are far too many fanboys. I for one rather say it like it is. I dont for one minute see any value in otherwise.

 

apart from learning what they have done audio wise to take things further, am also keen to see what oppo do on the video front. we have seen now its been proven in chroma upsampling its behind the pana. not a major factor... but would be good they get that sorted :)

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12 minutes ago, :) al said:

I think he is just talking of relays clicking that the 105 doesnt have. But at end of it thats the luxury the guys in the us have AM. if they dont think its worth keeping, and looks it doesnt seem like it seems worth keeping for him after comparing back. And they get anything between 30-90 days to return to oppo. we dont get that kind of luxury by default not coming directly from oppo.

 

am yet to read anything with regards audio wise being an upgrade over the 105 apart from that fellow that doesnt think its worth it. selectable filters ? gee wiz I think we were talking that in players from last decade ! but heck if thats reason enough am sure people will buy if they see of value :)

 

re skipping freezing locking up and such. i'll sure be on the look out for that sort of thing. but something i for one will have to evaluate on my own. unfortunately one of the probs with avs and few will tell you this there are far too many fanboys. I for one rather say it like it is. I dont for one minute see any value in otherwise.

 

apart from learning what they have done audio wise to take things further, am also keen to see what oppo do on the video front. we have seen now its been proven in chroma upsampling its behind the pana. not a major factor... but would be good they get that sorted :)

 

There are output muting  relays in both the 105 and 205 dedicated analog stage.  If you look at the pics you posted on both players the relays are the white rectangular squares just short from the outputs.  When my 105 gets switched off/on the mechanical clicks you hear are very evident that they are relays muting, this is to prevent DC or isolation so the change in circuit potential doesn't follow out of the component downstream during power on/off, hence silent off/on. 

ive seen a post Bob posted saying that the analog and digital have separate PSU but I really need to trace the tracks to satisfy myself that they have done this, ATM the pics are not clear enough to determined this.  

Agree with you 100% on getting the video upscaling sorted, look at the price difference between the Pana and the OPPO and you would have thought that the OPPO is the premium product....but it isn't!

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15 minutes ago, Addicted to music said:

There are output muting  relays in both the 105 and 205 dedicated analog stage.  If you look at the pics you posted on both players the relays are the white rectangular squares just short from the outputs.  When my 105 gets switched off/on the mechanical clicks you hear are very evident that they are relays muting, this is to prevent DC or isolation so the change in circuit potential doesn't follow out of the component downstream during power on/off, hence silent off/on. 

 

he's talking about relays clicking with format switching though. But at end of it I dont honestly see it as a major call by him that if he doesnt have a 4k uhd display then he is better off sticking with the 105. its a fair bit of cash outlay and quite possibly he isn't actually seeing anything for it ?

 

15 minutes ago, Addicted to music said:

ive seen a post Bob posted saying that the analog and digital have separate PSU but I really need to trace the tracks to satisfy myself that they have done this, ATM the pics are not clear enough to determined this.  

 

dont know about that, it could be for the separation for pure hdmi audio if using that which is where the jitter benefits are. though i dare say quit possible unless have a 105 and going back to back probably not the kind of thing pick up.

 

15 minutes ago, Addicted to music said:

Agree with you 100% on getting the video upscaling sorted, look at the price difference between the Pana and the OPPO and you would have thought that the OPPO is the premium product....but it isn't!

 

I would hope they do. they have already made some improvement I understand with the previous update but the comparison showed still lagging a tad. again I am not sure its a major deal but would expect they would be wanting to bridge that gap :)

 

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ist report of someone watching an actually whole uhd with the 205. ok only one movie but its encouraging no glitches reported :D  look forward to more feedback from owners as they come in :)

 

"Just got my UDP 205 Thursday (and arrived a day early even! Less than a week!); replaced my BDP 93 (and Denon 3930ci) & installed the 205 today. Immediately sat down to watch Star Trek Beyond HDR. Just incredible; the picture was truly stunning. The colors are just crazy & the image is simply flawless. I am so happy with all of my recent upgrades, I could do a dance.

One thing that happened that at first stumped me a bit...  When the LG 55B6 is set to Deep Color, it doesn't detect the player/signal when no disc is inserted & only the menus are shown. At first, I could not set the player up & was thinking something was wrong with the TV or player. My screen would go black, then the TV would scroll through its static pictures while asking to search for active input signals. Then I realized I likely had to turn off Deep Color & sure enough, the menus appeared & I could set up my player. Sort of a pain to have to turn that off & back on - restarts the TV every time. But if that's not a real first world problem...  

I haven't had the thing long enough to do any critical listening of my favorite SACDs or DVD-As, but I am excited to do so. I am going to watch some more HDR/4K movies this weekend - then I have to send my Emotiva XPA5 in for service due to constant protection mode fault on channel 4. Bummer right when I get the Oppo, but soon to be fixed.

And once I get my amp back, I am going to test all of these DAC filter settings. Don't care what any of it all means, but I am pretty impressed with the configurability. I'll post whatever I hear these filters do/their effects, if anything.

One thing I wish the player could do during speaker config - set crossovers by speaker pairs (my Onkyo PR SC 886 does this & it's an awesome feature).

So as of now I can comment on some nice wow factors:

- picture quality is mind blowing. Can't wait to watch Hacksaw Ridge & The Revenant.
- amazing build quality & just a beautiful player.
- loads & is ready to play a Blu Ray disc wicked fast! Something that drove me BSC on the BDP 93.
- my universal remote worked with the 205 without changing anything, so same remote codes it seems (so far - I did the full set up on the player).
- power on/off is quicker with the 205 vs the 93. Sometimes with the 93, power on/off was not instant - and inconsistent - causing me to press the remote command multiple times. 

As usual, Oppo makes the box-opening experience something special with its super high quality packaging. Love it."

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Back to comparison with my 105/203 again and interested in what you guys can explain as to why using the same streamed movie over the same network can cause the supply PC to crash when sending its movie to the 203. No probs doing the same with the 105. The PC overloads its power supply when feeding the 203 often, I'd like to guess its the extra info detail but not at all sure this could/is true. 

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Back to comparison with my 105/203 again and interested in what you guys can explain as to why using the same streamed movie over the same network can cause the supply PC to crash when sending its movie to the 203. No probs doing the same with the 105. The PC overloads its power supply when feeding the 203 often, I'd like to guess its the extra info detail but not at all sure this could/is true. 

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33 minutes ago, agelessgoodguy said:

Back to comparison with my 105/203 again and interested in what you guys can explain as to why using the same streamed movie over the same network can cause the supply PC to crash when sending its movie to the 203. No probs doing the same with the 105. The PC overloads its power supply when feeding the 203 often, I'd like to guess its the extra info detail but not at all sure this could/is true. 

Are you using the same resolution and colour depth for both? Presume the graphics card is working harder for some reason - upscaling?

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Not altering anything at all only the player, so like you I wondered about upscaling but why its the same PC file ....... & that happens inside the OPPO doesn't it?

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not sure ageless, maybe some driver thing perhaps, some incompatibility ?

 

ps looks like on avs owner thread, someone with a cd disk play issue (previously I've read of cd issue with a 203), and also complaining on the clicking... as he says though can live with it ! not sure whats up with his cd replay though...

 

"Wow, my 205 froze so to speak on forever loading a CD disk. Once when I witches input from USB DAC back to Blue ray and it just kept on saying loading. Needed to turn off and on from remote. And the second time half hour ago when I started it up and it just said loading on the player display and same thing I turned on the TV and the menu was operation, but the cd could. It start playing, needed to turn off and back on.

Anybody else ran into a situation with CD drive just Loading?

...by the way, just an observation feedback, the relay switching when putting in a SACDs to play is pretty annoying...too audible in my opinion for $1,300 unit ...but of course, one can live with it smile.gif)

...but loading thing is annoying considering its like day 3"

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57 minutes ago, agelessgoodguy said:

Not altering anything at all only the player, so like you I wondered about upscaling but why its the same PC file ....... & that happens inside the OPPO doesn't it?

The 203 may be telling the PC it can accept 4K and the PC then upscaling - what are the settings on your graphics card?

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I've no experience with the 103/105 players, but the relay switching is VERY audible on the 95. And there's LOTS of them, too. Very annoying, but apparently the price to be paid for better audio component/design.

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from "tom" over on avs re the,

 

"Filter Characteristics

I also wrote OPPO to see if I could find more information about the Filters available for the 205. Really didn't find out much, but I'll post there response below.

Thomas,
The UDP-203 (AKM) and the UDP-205 (ESS) share similar filter technologies, with ESS not providing us with any real public domain documentation, while AKM has a brief writeup (towards the bottom of the website) for their Sound Color Digital Filter: http://www.akm.com/akm/en/product/fe...lvetsound/dac/

In the UDP-205 we implemented the 5 filter types (except for the “Low dispertion [dispersion]”) and the 7 types are roughly mapped to the same 5 types of AKM filters (names in brackets [] are the AKM filter names):

- Brick Wall -> (Usually good for measurement results, not so good for listening)
- Corrected Mini Phase Fast -> [Low dispersion, Harmonic Sound]
- Apodizing Fast -> (Some listeners like this due to the elimination of so called “pre-ringing”.)
- Mini Phase Slow -> [ Short Delay Slow Roll-off, Acoustic Tone]
- Mini Phase Fast (default) -> [Short Delay Sharp Roll-off, Acoustic Sound]
- Linear Phase Slow -> [Slow Roll-off, Traditional Tone]
- Linear Phase Fast -> [Sharp Roll-off, Traditional Sound]


Best Regards, 

Customer Service 
OPPO Digital, Inc. 


FWIW in my short time testing I like the default Mini Phase Fast and Apodizing Fast best. So far. There are slight differences in the filters (except for the Brick Wall which was painful to listen to).Bottom line is that you should try the different filters for yourself and pick the one you like best. YMMV. 
The ESS website had nothing on the filters that I could find other than there were 7 different filters built into the 9038 chip.

Tom"

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11 minutes ago, Sime said:

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WTF is that @Sime ? :P

 

congrates mate, do tell us what you think.  :)

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