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The Official 4K Ultra H D - Blu Ray Thread

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How many times do you bring a disc home and rip it straight away....same argument.

Horses for courses, give me the physical media any day.

Pretty much straight away so I can watch it that night.

So the point is having the physical media offers very little to no benefit.

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So the point is having the physical media offers very little to no benefit.

To some. Happy for you to swing that way. All good

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To some.

What benefit does it give YOU? I'm not interested in how one swings, just the facts.

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Even at 10 minutes per disc it would take me over 2 weeks to rip my Blu-ray collection (and that's not taking seasons or bonus feature discs into account). I'd rather sit through 20 seconds of anti piracy warnings and the odd unskippable ad. I've got better things to do than plonk myself in front of the computer all time for that kind of nonsense.

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both

This discs can come in 3 sizes;

50GB, 66GB and 100GB.

Compressed, it depends on level of compression and codec used.

Most compressed .MKV format blu's seem to be about 7 - 15GB, but UHD will use a newer codec which is more efficient.

JSmith :ninja:

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the A List

list of movies currently available in 4K UHD Black Label format

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/search.php?action=search&videoresolutionid=2683&sortby=releasetimestamp

This is a list of movie released in 4K Digital Cinema format

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls051448087/

last updated - 09 Sep 2013

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This discs can come in 3 sizes;

50GB, 66GB and 100GB.

Compressed, it depends on level of compression and codec used.

Most compressed .MKV format blu's seem to be about 7 - 15GB, but UHD will use a newer codec which is more efficient.

JSmith :ninja:

uhd is 100 GB vs the 25 GB standard blu-rays or the 50GB dual layer blu-ray. curiously data for rates blu-ray are 25-50 Mbps vs for uhd blu-ray upto 100 Mbps :)

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This discs can come in 3 sizes;

50GB, 66GB and 100GB.

Compressed, it depends on level of compression and codec used.

Most compressed .MKV format blu's seem to be about 7 - 15GB, but UHD will use a newer codec which is more efficient.

JSmith :ninja:

I think you mean "re-compressed" files from blurays. The bitrstream on blurays has already been compressed to a H.264 video stream average of 25-40 Mbps (but with a peak data rate ABR value of typically 80 Mbps). Most unofficial re-compressed rips distributed online are only 20% of that value with minimal visual scene loss.

UHD Blurays will have a capacity of up to double (100GB) that of most standard blurays, not all will be quad layer and many will be just dual or triple layer, and will rely on the benefit of HEVC/h.265 compression to squeeze in the extra detail (by using the same bitrate as ordinary blurays but using HEVC compression to get equivalent quality at the higher resolution). It will be very interesting to compare the 2K vs 4K blurays when they come out to see what quality levels the production companies have for most blurays).

Frankly, I'm very unimpressed by the attitude of many people posting re-compressed blurays online using the HEVC codec. Too many compress the hell out Blurays from ~40GB original using h.264 to only ~1GB using HEVC and the result is terrible doing no justice to the awesome capabilities of HEVC.

As for ripping. I do it not just for the convenience but because I don't frankly have a choice. I don't have any standalone DVD/bluray players and no desire to waste money on buying one. I only have a single USB bluray burner that covers all my optical disc needs across countless PC/media devices in the house, and it's used almost entirely just for ingesting media data onto the NAS for access by all devices. After that the optical discs get boxed up into storage and almost never seen again.

I almost never bother re-compressing the original bluray files since that takes hours per disc to get decent quality. It's easier just to download someone else's re-compressed rip if that is what you're going to do.

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uhd is 100 GB vs the 25 GB standard blu-rays or the 50GB dual layer blu-ray. curiously data for rates blu-ray are 25-50 Mbps vs for uhd blu-ray upto 100 Mbps :)

The spec. allows for the sizes I mentioned;

"The spec allows for discs in three sizes: 50GB with 82 Mbit/s, 66GB with 108 Mbit/s, and 100GB with 128 Mbit/s."

http://www.whathifi.com/news/ultra-hd-blu-ray-everything-you-need-to-know

I think you mean "re-compressed" files from blurays.

Well of course I do... we're all aware (as you seem to be) of codecs used to encode BD's. If you know all that, why did you ask? :lol:

JSmith :ninja:

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Well of course I do... we're all aware (as you seem to be) of codecs used to encode BD's. If you know all that, why did you ask? :lol:

JSmith :ninja:

I mentioned it because you asked in a previous post "Complete or compressed?"

Both the original and lower bitrate re-compressed copies are compressed so your question doesn't make sense.

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As for ripping

... its off topic to this thread

pls refrain, there was a thread created for the ripping of legal material but it has been locked for what wasnt being discussed in it

this thread is clearly labelled

The Official 4K Ultra H D - Blu Ray Thread

:)

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I mentioned it because you asked in a previous post "Complete or compressed?"

You asked such a basic question it seemed you needed a basic response.

No worries. :)

3.6TB for 60 mins of 4K isn't really feasible or needed for the consumer market.

JSmith :ninja:

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Just put "Sicario" and " The Martian" 4k UHD Blu Rays into my Amazon US cart as they've dropped to $US29.99.

Unfortunately, I didn't hit "BUY" because that still worked out as $A102 landed.

Without a player being currently available in Oz, I refuse to step back to the early days of BluRay/HDDVD and pay >$40 per disc.

C'mon Oz distributors,please step up to the plate, or this format will die before it even gets off the ground in this country.

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Two tier pricing Dave ; maybe raid the back catalogue titles and wait for the good ones :whistle: Early adopter prices = par for the course - the disc replication factories unfortunately have only been at it since 2015 :pirate:

http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/413621,uhd-blu-ray-discs-wont-be-cheap.aspx

Just put "Sicario" and " The Martian" 4k UHD Blu Rays into my Amazon US cart as they've dropped to $US29.99.

Unfortunately, I didn't hit "BUY" because that still worked out as $A102 landed.

Without a player being currently available in Oz, I refuse to step back to the early days of BluRay/HDDVD and pay >$40 per disc.

C'mon Oz distributors,please step up to the plate, or this format will die before it even gets off the ground in this country.

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Rather disappointing that even some USA releases do not include the lastest codecs - ATMOS and DTS-X

From hidefdigest.com

"Of course not all of these UHD Blu-rays are going to be a home run, and having held 'The Martian' and 'The Kingsman' UHD BD packages in hand, I can confirm not all of these new titles are getting Dolby Atmos and DTS:X upgrades versus their Blu-ray counterpart (a damned shame, in my opinion). And there's still some questions about resolution (some films were supposedly shot and/or mastered in 2K for their theatrical runs)."

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FIRST IMPRESSION - highdefdigest.com

Caveat one. I've now spent more time WRITING about the K8500 than TESTING it; most of this is due to the fact that 1) we don't have any UHD Discs just yet, and 2) I'm hoping to score a different, flagship display for review purposes. Either way, we're going to be ready to review this player along with these discs the moment the studios send them our way (or at least as soon as they hit stores).


Caveat two. I did get to see fifteen or so minutes of 'The Martian' UHD Blu-ray in a store last Friday, and the results were impressive to need-more-research. In comparing the UHD Blu-ray to the standard Blu-ray (on difference tiered displays, sadly) UHD Blu-ray offered a noticeable uptick in visible on-screen detail, even at ten feet away from the 65" displays, and the Blu-ray seemed much more grainy and dark. I mention this to say I'm excited about the format; I believe there will be obvious improvements over Blu-ray. However, I can't be more specific because the calibration on this in-store display was wonky -- over-saturated colors (a suspicion that was confirmed last night when I saw 'The Martian' in Dolby Vision, so I have a benchmark) and an image made waxy by unnecessary motion processing.

Image quality aside (more testing on the way, for both streaming and all sorts of physical media), I'm already pretty impressed with this player. Startup time is less than 10 seconds. Setup process took less than five minutes (including a firmware upgrade, not including typing your password into streaming services). I have thus far successfully streamed content and played back Blu-ray, Blu-ray 3D, and DVD -- I was particularly impressed by how quickly it loaded a Disney Blu-ray 3D that nearly sends my older Panny into fits. The streaming apps are pretty speedy too; maybe not quite Roku or Apple fast, but close. I'm not sure I love Smart Hub, but I honestly need to give it more time to see what it can do. And, should you need, for any reason, the K8500 can be hooked up to 1080p and 720p displays thanks to an AUTO resolution setting in menu. Basically, if you have HDMI, the K8500 will connect to it (how it reacts to playing HDCP 2.2 content on such a display has yet to be tested).

Samsung_UBD-K8500_Ultra-HD-Blu-ray-Playe

Conclusion

All in all? This could have been an epic disaster -- slow loading times, a horrible interface, clunky remote, EXPENSIVE -- but it's not. It's pretty much a machine any home theatre enthusiast can use and, assuming these performance levels hold, shouldn't be a hair-pulling experience.

We have a LOT more work to do with it, of course, but so far I have high hopes for this little machine. Stay tuned for more.

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for a first gen and given the price....looking good so far :)

though its capable in a lot of ways, am looking forward to how it handles the uhd discs :)

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for a first gen and given the price....looking good so far :)

though its capable in a lot of ways, am looking forward to how it handles the uhd discs :)

Price I think is excellent on release for new format essentially

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Price I think is excellent on release for new format essentially

I paid nearly 3 times the sammy is going for ...for my 1st gen sony blu-ray player and that thing was dog !!!!

anyways lets see.... I see zombie has some discs and a player so will get some good info in the next 24 hours I think.

the critical thing with the player is hdmi 2.0a path it would seem.

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The first 24 hrs looks to have been a nightmare for those people trying to sync the new JVC X5000/X7000/X9000 projectors to the UBD-K8500. Other than Zombie, it doesn't sound like many people have had any success at all.

People using the player with a 4k TV don't seem to be having an issue, so it will most likely turn out the be an HDMI issue with the JVC's.

A very similar experience to my first 3 days with my X7000. Being a close 2nd ( or 3rd,maybe) person after Al to actually have one in the wild, nobody, not even the JVC tech in Sydney could help me get "any" signal.

Turned out to being just making about 4 setting adjustments that I'd never heard of before.

Unfortunately for JVC, they released a projector that was ahead of it's time. :hyper::phone:

But they didn't have a chance to test it with a 4k UHD player, 'cause there weren't any.

Now that there out in the field too, hopefully JVC can tweak a few things.

This time I'm really happy that the rest of the world gets to iron out the kinks before we get a player in Oz, and if we're lucky it will be just "plug and play" by April/May.

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Part of issue I think are those that are trying to do the firmware update while hooking upto the Jvc the first time. I would do the update just hooked upto a normal tv. And as I suspect a full compatible path will help. Looking forward to zombie :)

Looks like some YouTube issue ?

And yes we are lucky ... By the time we get it ! :)

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The first 24 hrs looks to have been a nightmare for those people trying to sync the new JVC X5000/X7000/X9000 projectors to the UBD-K8500. Other than Zombie, it doesn't sound like many people have had any success at all.

People using the player with a 4k TV don't seem to be having an issue, so it will most likely turn out the be an HDMI issue with the JVC's.

This time I'm really happy that the rest of the world gets to iron out the kinks before we get a player in Oz, and if we're lucky it will be just "plug and play" by April/May.

No coincidence this sort of thing happens with a brand new wrinkle Dave ie hdcp2.2 ; weve had 2.1 for ages now and now the sammy 8500 has to communicate with hdmi 1.4 components as well as 2.0 ...

I can sympathise with those who believed FOX when they said that studios discs would have object audio - as jutta noted - great way to market a new format. For the price I want the full experience :logik:

The sammy needs a few firmware updates yet as the 4k streaming complaints went ; ime certainly in a hurry up and wait mode as well :rofl: Have rationalised waiting a little with warranty and stepdown tranny need in mind :logik:

Read somewhere once that its a wise move to disconnect hdmi cables when doing anything with firmware upgrades [ if your a bit paranoid like me - I prefer a thumbdrive than over the network ]

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