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Regional Tv Networks Gearing Up For More Hd

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Goformoe,

How do you know how old the information is? You have not seen it!

You have made verbatim quotes from articles freely available on the internet.

It sure is new information for Prime and Macquarie Southern Cross.

You have made verbatim quotes from articles freely available on the internet.

I cannot quote the rest of the articles because they are contract details of equipment just purchased.

You have made verbatim quotes from articles freely available on the internet.

Google cannot get access to information that the authors do not wish to provide for free. I pay well over $200 /year for one industry magazine. Whilst I download the articles, they never have and never will be available free on the internet, Google or no google.

You have made verbatim quotes from articles freely available on the internet.

You are not the only person with access to journals and industry magazines - citing a non-web accessible source is fine, saying 'I have read this article, this is what it says' isn't.

If you look at those who post here they are always the same old ones knocking me, You, MLXXX, DrP, Malich, drmuz, James and Stump. So which other ones do?

I have no intent to knock you. I respond to your posts when I believe they are not backed by evidence, are missing information, are wrong, are misleading or are opinions that I disagree with.

Most of your attempts at highlighting posts of mine that you disagree with are the result of you misinterpreting a post.

I am genuine alright, blowing apart your theories.

Set up a strawman and burn it down...

I can sum up the views of the above mentioned.

No, you can make false interpretations of other people's arguments, and try to portray disagreement and corrections as an attack.

If this forum was running in 1999..DTV would never happen because we would all have to buy new TVs or Set Top Boxes

No, DTV has clear improvements over the analogue system on spectral efficiency. If I was able to time travel and have a considered view back in 1999, I would personally be advocating for digital TV.

I personally would have argued that we should have chosen to only have SD TV at the time - multichanneling has shown itself to be a strong driver of digital takeup, and HD in MPEG-2 on the channel bandwidths we had has shown itself to be unworkable.

We should never go to DAB+ radio because everybody has AM/FM receivers and AM sounds fine

No, we should have made our decision on a digital radio technology by considering all of the use cases needed, not just high powered metropolitan sites and leaving the decision on regional areas for later.

The choice of DAB+ without proper review of the flaws in regional and remote areas is a very bad position to be in, which will deny many people services into the future.

*crop for quote limit*

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*continued*

We should not put the main TV programs on HD because most viewers cannot see it

No, I believe that the networks should be free to do so. I have just highlighted the two realities - both that it is presently not allowed under current legislation and not planned to change; and that it's a commercial decision that I believe it is unlikely a network would choose to make even if they could.

We should not go to MPEG-4 so that we can get proper full HD or even a pair of HD quality channels.

No, I believe that the networks should be free to do so. I have just highlighted the reality that it is not widespread enough in installed receivers to be commercially viable. I have in the past suggested the use of the sixth multiplex to provide temporary spectrum for easing a transition.

I do not believe it to be possible overnight. I have highlighted Foxtel's continued use of MPEG-2 despite the fact they have end to end control over how they transmit and the receiving devices as an example of just how hard it would be to manage a MPEG-2 to MPEG-4 transition.

So keep things as they are so as not to upset the status quo. But I bet you are not reading this post on a 286 computer, the images you watch on line are MPEG-4 compressed...

If making my television in the lounge room display MPEG-4 via DVB-T2 was as simple as installing a codec-pack is on my PC, I would have no issue whatsoever with a transition tomorrow.

However it isn't possible - so I believe the cost to networks, consumers and the taxpayer has to be balanced out when considering technology changes.

The next generation of video encoding is here - to me it would be unfathomable to mandate a change to H.264 when H.265 is now standardised.

Just stay dreaming in the past.

I tried using Future Sight, it was not very effective.

Instead of wasting your time giving your view of the future, start pushing for improvements.

By all means lead the way and stop wasting your time on this forum and go push for improvements.

For example push to get community TV exactly the same coverage area as all other broadcasters, through the use of the UA channel 10 on main transmitters and the UA on translators including the one in Geelong.

I have previously argued that the best way to expand community TV coverage is by having a diverse use of the remainder of the sixth channel spectrum and making transmitter coverage and community TV carriage as requirements for access.

Now that almost all large screen TVs can display full HD, why don't you push to get the most popular programs transmitted this way, so that we can all see it. All prime time TV in the 5 major networks in the USA and most new UK productions are in HD why don't you push to be able to see them as they were shot. The poms now have BBC1 HD, BBC2 HD, ITV HD and 4 HD transmitting HD programming using a single DVB-T2/MPEG-4 transmitter per site. They downscale these programs for transmission on their SD networks.

The UK have many planning choices that I think are a good model for us, and many that I believe are wrong for us. I have detailed my concerns and the positives about UK Freeview numerous times in the past.

To summarise shortly as we seem to be going over all the old ground here - the UK's ability to present the DVB-T2 transition as a positive is linked to the fact that for them HD on free TV was not previously possible. By comparison, Australia had the good fortune to get HD on FTA years before the UK did, at the cost of having a less efficient system to broadcast with - and a smaller justification for change from a viewer's perspective.

So why not do something useful, push for the improvements you want, not grizzle about things that only a few posters are reading anyway.

Who is grizzling?

This forum is not a good platform for pushing for improvements. No one in decision making positions is going to sit around and decide communications policy based on a forum post.

I write to my local member or make an appropriate (not book length) contribution to a public enquiry when I feel it necessary. That's certainly not in every case or on every issue.

My being grounded in the economic reality and consumer impact of what might be best practice seems to come off to you as if I am attacking the technologies, if you would engage in level headed discussion this would be very clear to you that it is not the case.

I don't know about you but I don't think the use of 4 letter words is useful or interesting.

I believe that all my posts towards you come with a far greater deal of respect than you afford me. Instead you lump all the users who are active in discussing these topics on this forum together as 'doubters' or another equally catch all term to attack users other than yourself.

I'm happy to have a sensible discussion on any point above - instead you choose to bring them up in throwaway off topic lines, when you've previously fallen silent on discussions in the main section of the forum.

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'MPEG-4 AVC'. Where is it? No permanent terrestrial services, no teaser channels, nothing; zip; nada; nil; zero. I wonder what alanh says about all his missed predicted arrivals? "I was wrong about it on every single occasion"? :rofl:

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Stump,

You critisized me for saying that the WA regional and remote installation program would be completed prior to the rest of the Tasmanian installation program. This is exactly the order of on air dates.

The last transmitter went on air, prior to the Tasmanian on air dates.

I think you'll find that isn't quite how the discussion went but I will allow this misinformation to stand as you are the master at it.

You work in the transmitter end and not the studio end.

Stump does not work for Prime and Macquarie Southern Cross. He is a transmitter contractor, who's contracts are with those networks. It does not mean that he works in the stuio complexes of these broadcasters. They are separate competing companies at that end.

Partially true but once again trying to deflect from the silly statements you have made - of course I don't work in the studios but nor do you. So what!

So prior to my post could you have quoted the capabilities of the playout servers???

More than likely but I would just contact engineering and ask the actual experts for the most accurate info.

All of the posters are irritated because you cannot use google to try and prove I am wrong. So instead you get rude words and insults. This is the action of delinquent school kids. None of you have grown up to use real words.

AlanH

Alan, I wasn't rude to you in my response. I simply asked for your source of info but yet again you fail to provide any. It's not about google 'skills', you make a statement and fail to back it up when a reasonable question is asked. Well done Champ.

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Who knows better? stump_1100 or alanh? Hmm. I guess an example is needed to determine this.

Recall the silly posts alanh made where he repeatedly stated that a certain part of the country was going to have one TX and that only SD services would be provided? Recall the pictures of the TX installation that stump_1100 provided? Recall that alanh, despite photographs of the actual TX equipment clearly depicting the various broadcasters names on the equipment, continued to state his incorrect view of the world?

That should clear things up for even the most self-convinced alanh supporter.

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Stump,

The last WA commercial regional installation was finished in July last year, you should know your installation dates. Don't be so lazy and look them up. It sure was the way the discussion went, and I also claimed that WA was paying for Tasmainia because of the mining boom. This has been re inforced in the last few days with WA getting the lowest rate of return from the GST we pay, to pay for states like Tasmania.

I certainly did work in studios for many years so I know well how these systems work and the divide between transmitter techs and the station techs.

You do not know what the playout computer bank is at the moment so how can you critisize my posts.

DrP,

Show me the post.

Alanh

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Beware happless reader. Nothing but despair awaits those that continue to read...

Here goes, the thread in which alanh rubbishes anyone else's opinions, even when those people are clearly far more informed than alanh. What did he do in the face of undeniable photographic proof? Why nothing short of start to reposition his argument and attempt to derail the thread, something we've seen time and time again.

Is that good enough for you alanh? Does that meet your flex-o-standards of proof? Do I have to dig up the thread where you declared 'one TX to rule them all (in SD)'? Do I have to dig up the thread where even photographs weren't sufficient to quell the stupidity? No, its not really necessary because all you'll do is ignore that you've been exposed yet again.

Perhaps you'd like to return the favour and link to the threads where I said [insert many and varied alanh lies] about VAST? Hmm? I guess not, we all saw your hilarious failure last time you tried that.

P.S. Strange that alanh hasn't commented at all on the fact that the content of his original post was nothing more than old stale information returned by a google search, not special information that only the blessed select few are privy to. I wonder why that is. :rolleyes:

Edited by DrP

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Alanh

So I take it you agree with all of my above points and will never bring them up again in the future, or are you falling silent yet again?

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DrP,

Aren't you retiring to other posting names?

AlanH

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