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Anyone managed a good price on the new 64", currently have a 8G Kuro Lx50, which I love, need a new tv for second room, can go for a cheapy or move the Kuro & go for a bigger new model. Can't say it appears much better, just bigger.

If I can get a good price I think it will tip me to option 2

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I saw a Samsung 55" LED ES8000 at JB HIFI Robina today for $4491 (dreaming) looked pretty good though, had the movie UP playing, im still weary of Samsung though............

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Ah that was the pic on the AV website... :)

I have a dilemma right now, wait for the VT50 65", get this 64" E8000 or grab a deal on the older VT30...

The remote sensor is a big issue since it is blocked by the centre speaker in the Panasonic TVs.

Any ideas?

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I've had the PS60E8000 at my home for a few days now, as a replacement for a purple haze 58C7000, so here's a mini review:

* Styling: Not a fan of the spider legs, and it's all a bit wobbly, but what can you do. The bezel of the TV is very thin though, dark/metal grey in colour with a slight sheen, and it's not bad looking.

* Connections: Only 3 HDMI ports compared to 4 on the 58C7000, AV and component now combined into the same set of connectors (which connect directly to the TV - no more flimsy adapter cables) - this means you can only use AV or component, but not both. Also, no more VGA inputs. There's an extra USB port, that makes 3, and you have wonder if it's better to have exchanged that for an extra HDMI port.

* Black level, brightness: Black level noticeably improved compared to C7000, not sure how much compared to D8000 though. Some reviews have said the set isn't as bright as before, but it seemed bright enough for me in my dimmed light viewing environment. The only difference is that whereas I had the C7000 at cell light 18, this set might need the same setting to be tweaked to 19 to get the same effect. No CS on bug, so black levels remain the same (according to other reviews, maybe even better) with CS on.

* Motion: Motion is silky smooth, so much so that I actually thought there may have been some interpolation going on. But it's mostly very natural, and with Blu-ray, still very cinematic and not "TV" like.

* Fluctuating brightness: The controversial inclusion of a new feature might annoy some people. What happens is that on a pure black image, the screen automatically turns itself off momentarily. This can be annoying with black fade-ins and outs during movies, where the screen appears to turn itself off, and then moments later, you see a jump in black levels as the image fades in from black. In a completely dark room, the change in black levels is pretty evident. The "switch" happens quite quickly, in a fraction of a second - it's not too distracting for me, but it might be for others.

* 3D: Haven't tested it much, so can't really comment. My set came with two pairs of the 4100 universal glasses. It's quite flimsy and light, and it comes disassembled so you'll have to plug the legs of the glasses in - they don't appear to fold, so storage is an issue (really don't want to unplug the legs every time, as the cheap plastic will no doubt break soon enough). In use though, they worked fine, and for someone like me that's prone to headaches in 3D, it seemed a bit better than the 2100 and 220 glasses I had, and the quality is probably as good as you can expect on a active 3D set.

* Sound: Fairly weak speakers as you would expect, but OK for day to day stuff.

* Smart Controls: Voice control works, but it's a bit erratic. It also turns itself on at times if you or the TV makes a sound that's only remotely similar to the trigger word (default: "Hi TV" - so it sometimes activates when I say "LCD", because apparently these two words sound similar enough). It takes longer than using the remote, so it's only handy when you can't actually find the remote. Motion control is pretty useless, it's not very accurate, either too sensitive, or not sensitive enough - I think you need a very bright room for it to work. Touch remote - not very intuitive at all, same as the motion controls, sometimes too sensitive, and sometimes it just doesn't do anything.

* Buzz: I think I got lucky and found a non buzzer, relatively speaking. My old 58" was definitely a buzzer, so I know what a buzzer sounds like. There is still a buzz, but it's not audible over any volume and I have to turn my ears towards the TV (sitting right in front of it, from about 2.5m away) to hear it. For the new TV, it's a more gentle hum than the high frequency static buzz of my old 58" (which was audible over normal volume). The buzz on the new set is also more audible from the back than on the front (complete opposite of the old TV), so not sure how this would affect wall mounters. The buzz fluctuates with brightness though, whereas with my old TV, it was more constant. In terms of loudness, sitting from my usual distance, my Foxtel IQ2 box in playback mode makes much more noise. Will post back if the buzz situation changes over time.

* Misc: Haven't tried web browsing much, but pages loaded really quickly, as quick as you would expect on a computer. Using the touch remote to navigate still seemed like a chore though, due to the over sensitive nature of the touch area, and having to hover over the virtual keyboard to type in every letter. The Samsung wireless keyboard/touchpad seems like a better way to control the browser.

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Nice review mate, pity about the black switching off phenomenon I reckon... that's not the way to get best blacks..

Katzmaier's Cnet review (see link below) actually found the Samsung to have better black levels than the ST50, and certainly better than the VT30, so black levels are not bad at all. So in a semi-lit room, this "switching" is not that noticeable mainly because the normal black levels are pretty good already, so there's very little perceivable difference between the switched off screen (which is, obviously, completely black) and the black areas of the switched on screen. In a well lit room, I doubt you'll be to notice it at all unless you're looking for it.

It also doesn't activate on all black screens, since the black screen pattern on the BBC Life Blu-ray doesn't activate this switching off, and some fades don't do it either - I guess it must be a 100% black image without even a single non black pixel.

http://www.trustedre...s8000_TV_review

Review seems to suggest the Panasonic 2012 range will have better PQ?

Not sure I trust that review, despite the website's name, to be honest. It keeps on talking about "Vivid" mode, and I have never and would never use that mode on the Samsung. The testing also appears to have been done without calibration or even any mention of settings. And finally, the 51" is not even available in Australia, and the 60" and 64" are known to have much better black levels.

Even though it's for the US model, Chad B's and Katzmaier's Cnet reviews are probably a bit more trustworthy. They too found that the Panasonic range was better in quite a few areas, Katzmaier preferring the way the Panasonic ST50 handled blacks (slight black crush on the E8000?) and the overall PQ (only "by a nose", it has to be said), while Chad B preferred the Blu-ray quality on the E8000 over the GT50. Katzmaier may be having trouble with his meter though, possibly to do with the 96Hz CS mode on the TV, which is why he had trouble getting the reference color settings on the E8000, but Chad had no problem.

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Whilst it's nice to know the 2012 model has improved on the 2011, and beats the VT30 in some areas, it's a pity to know it's now compared to the low end ST50?

So currently, no Fbr, some reports of buzz, and this black off issue... not bad for a brand new model I guess.

And yes, I wish there were more HDMI ports, especially if we lose a VGA port... not a big loss...

The smart remote is silly if you ask me... not easy to use...

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Available at Costco in Sydney now with a ticketed price of $3199

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Mine is great. I have been working heaps so felt like it hasn't been on but watched a couple of blu's last night and today and can't believe how great the quality is. Still happy with everything, even the slight humming it makes like electrical static - can 100% advise it's very directional in that if you stand up you can hear it and sitting down you can't but never hear a thing with even the slightest background noise present.

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Here is a couple of screen shots with a point and shoot camera from my temporary location. Room has a chandelier light that dangles below screen level and creates a strong reflection however this is with the light on so it gives you an indication of the screen quality.

Movie is the smurfs in 2D lol

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If anyone has any requests of scenes or demo material and I can assist, just ask and I will take a picture.

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I can't open the Costco pic, was that the price on a 64"?

Can you try out a dark scene, say from Star Wars / one of the submarine / space movies ?

Thanks

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Whilst it's nice to know the 2012 model has improved on the 2011, and beats the VT30 in some areas, it's a pity to know it's now compared to the low end ST50?

It's more of a case of Panasonic improving the value proposition of their ST range, which, according to reviews, exceeds even the quality set by last year's VT series. Pricing wise, the Samsung "top of the range" is now at almost the same price point as Panasonic's "bottom of the range", so it's not really "low end" compared to "high end", but rather Samsung not having a VT equivalent price (or quality) wise. Feature wise, the E8000 is probably equivalent to the VT series (at ST prices, so for those that want the latest gadgets, there's an easy choice), but Samsung has no answers to the more expensive VT range in terms of picture quality.

Panasonic have also worked hard to improve the styling of their new range, while Samsung seems to be going backwards with the stupid spider leg design and not being able to make their minds up on what colour the bezel should be.

Forgot to add in my review that the new dual core processor in the TV really does help to speed up not only apps, but also things like channel/source switching and responsiveness to remote control commands. I did find the remote very directional sensitive (the sensor is on the lower left hand side of the TV, while looking at the TV).

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Lots of places have been quoting $3100/3200 on the 64" (even Hardly Normal), with the 60" at around to $2200-2300, but it's good to see Costco getting in on the action without the need to haggle!

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One grand difference for 4" ?? Wow. That will buy a lot of discs..

I just need to make up my mind on whether I should wait another month for the vt50 65" to appear ...

And deal with the remote sensor being blocked.

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I am finding the remote is non-directional to be honest. I can point it the away from the TV and it works. It is also much faster than my previous Samsung.

Can't say I have found the remote to be an issue at all in terms of having it not respond. granted I do have no obstacles and I am back about 5m so you would assume that would help.

I have iRule ready to roll once I get into my house so I won't be using any remotes.

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One grand difference for 4" ?? Wow. That will buy a lot of discs..

I just need to make up my mind on whether I should wait another month for the vt50 65" to appear ...

60" seems to be the crossover sweetspot for pricing. If you're interested in the 65" VT50, I presume picture quality is your driver regardless of price. I can't justify going up that much in price.

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I have "buyer's paralysis" -

My past TV buying experiences have been simple.

Now I worry about so many other things, it's paralysed me from committing to a VT30 (cheap but older and the remote sensor & IR is blocked), vacillate on the Samsung and dreading that there is no GT50 and the VT50 65" is too expensive and too far away! frown.gif

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decided to download and run the AVSHD709 calibration slides tonight. These are the settings I ended up with so far:

Mode: Movie

Cell Light: 12

Contrast: 76

Brightness: 70

Sharpness: 17

Colour: 47

Tint: G50,R50

Dynamic Contast: off

Black Tone: off

Flesh Tone: 0

I have reset everything else and turned off 10p white balance. Colour space is auto and gamma is -1 but I don't have any equipment to test this out.

Will watch some familiar material now and see how it looks however I think I definitely will be going for a pro calibration eventually.

I struggled to dial in the white clipping slide; just couldn't get it to perform the way the manual suggests it will look.

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Pretty sure I have only noticed it once. It's certainly not something that I am having an issue with or at least one that is causing me grief.

Is it possible it's part of the setting black tones that I have off? Perhaps the firmware we received has it disabled? The US have already had a couple of updates whilst mine is still as it was shipped and there is no updates available locally.

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I have "buyer's paralysis" -

My past TV buying experiences have been simple.

Now I worry about so many other things, it's paralysed me from committing to a VT30 (cheap but older and the remote sensor & IR is blocked), vacillate on the Samsung and dreading that there is no GT50 and the VT50 65" is too expensive and too far away! frown.gif

If you really want the pana, just get an IR repeater, problem solved, atm I am leaning to the Samsung as I plan in getting a projector as my critical viewing and think the Samsung is offering better bang for buck over the VT30, I have seen it around 4.5k for run out and at the Costco price toucan get the new Sammy for 3.2k, I shudder to think how much the new pana will be but I bet it will be north of 5k if not 6k

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decided to download and run the AVSHD709 calibration slides tonight. These are the settings I ended up with so far:

Mode: Movie

Cell Light: 12

Contrast: 76

Brightness: 70

Sharpness: 17

Colour: 47

Tint: G50,R50

Dynamic Contast: off

Black Tone: off

Flesh Tone: 0

I have reset everything else and turned off 10p white balance. Colour space is auto and gamma is -1 but I don't have any equipment to test this out.

Will watch some familiar material now and see how it looks however I think I definitely will be going for a pro calibration eventually.

I struggled to dial in the white clipping slide; just couldn't get it to perform the way the manual suggests it will look.

What kind of viewing conditions do you have? The cell light settings seem a bit too low, and brightness probably a bit too high (the Cnet settings used cell light at 20, and brightness at the default 45). I plan on running the AVS disc myself soon, but just some simple visual calibration on discs I've used in the past, plus some test patterns found on the BBC Life Blu-ray, and I came up with these settings for Blu-ray:

Mode: Movie

Cell Light: 18

Contrast: 86

Brightness: 43

Sharpness: 0

Colour: 50

Everything else is at the default movie mode settings (so dynamic contrast off, black tone off ... also using warm 2, and cinema smooth on if available). It's very similar to the settings I had for my old 58C7000.

Pretty sure I have only noticed it once. It's certainly not something that I am having an issue with or at least one that is causing me grief.

Is it possible it's part of the setting black tones that I have off? Perhaps the firmware we received has it disabled? The US have already had a couple of updates whilst mine is still as it was shipped and there is no updates available locally.

It only happens sporadically, but I found it really evident during the initial title screens of the 2012 Blu-ray (I have the UK one, but I think the oz one is the same). This is the worst I've experienced so far, as it flickers quite a bit during the opening title and space scenes due to the number of fade to blacks that are present.

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What kind of viewing conditions do you have? The cell light settings seem a bit too low, and brightness probably a bit too high (the Cnet settings used cell light at 20, and brightness at the default 45). I plan on running the AVS disc myself soon, but just some simple visual calibration on discs I've used in the past, plus some test patterns found on the BBC Life Blu-ray, and I came up with these settings for Blu-ray:

Mode: Movie

Cell Light: 18

Contrast: 86

Brightness: 43

Sharpness: 0

Colour: 50

Everything else is at the default movie mode settings (so dynamic contrast off, black tone off ... also using warm 2, and cinema smooth on if available). It's very similar to the settings I had for my old 58C7000.

It only happens sporadically, but I found it really evident during the initial title screens of the 2012 Blu-ray (I have the UK one, but I think the oz one is the same). This is the worst I've experienced so far, as it flickers quite a bit during the opening title and space scenes due to the number of fade to blacks that are present.

My viewing conditions are temporary at the moment, so not a real good setup for watching TV however it's very bright (artificial ight). I agree that comparing my config to that of Cnet and also AVS forum review, cell light is low. Originally I plugged in some D8000 settings and I was impressed with this until I ran the calibrator disc. The only way I could configure the slides was with the numbers I plugged in. This gives me 2 scenarios, either I can't use the calibrator tool (most likely) or my personal viewing preference is different to what it should look like in terms of calibration. I could have still turned up brightness further to really dial in the slides correctly but I was hesitant to do this.

Calibrator disc does not discuss cell light so I assume this is a personal preference? Last night I watched swordfish BD with these settings and the light off; The colour tones to me look spot on. People actually look healthy and realistic.

I have not used cinema smooth at all yet. I tired to enable it last night during a doco called 'life' but it was not available.

Watched closely on all content last night for the black issue and also sat through the credits but definitely did not occur (or I didn't notice it).

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Paul:

Can you see if the bluetooth supports BT keyboards + mice?

I have a very nice logitech wireless KB+ mouse.

Saw a super deal on an outgoing D8000 at HN... will visit that and see if that pans out... I am concerned about a few things on the older model, but let's see...

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Paul:

Can you see if the bluetooth supports BT keyboards + mice?

Pete: I don't have a bluetooth keyboard or mouse sorry. I have sent you a PM to offer another solution.

Thanks

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Purchased my 64inch E8000 today for $2517 delivered. Purchased from good guys in Bayswater using the Australia Post gift cards which have 20% off. They also had a 65 inch Panasonic VT30 for 4k without haggling, display only.

Very happy with the price which was $3150 Delivered wthout the discounted gift cards.

I receive the TV tomorrow so will give you a brief review then.

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Yes, I got additional 2 years for $229.00. I called up nowing re the gift cards, and used this online price to try and price match. Loved the D8000 if it wasn't for the silver border and problems that people had so decided to wait for new model, as I will be mounting the TV.

Used this link to price match http://shop.gameon.n...--series-8.html however because it was in another state they said have to allow $200 for delivery. Wasn't too fussed as I had the gift cards.

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Thanks everyone, I found a D8000 for abour 1000 less than the best I could get for the E series, wrangled out a 5 year warranty and got 4 extra pairs of the new 4100 goggles, so I have my 64" TV!

Will deliver and install later this week.

Fingers crossed, as I have an option for a E series if the D 8000 doesn't pan out.

Now, for some settings and info on the D8000!

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Calibrator disc does not discuss cell light so I assume this is a personal preference? Last night I watched swordfish BD with these settings and the light off; The colour tones to me look spot on. People actually look healthy and realistic.

I think the best way to adjust cell light is on the contrast adjustment test pattern, and adjust until the whites are "white enough", but not so much that it hurts your eyes at your normal viewing conditions.

I highly recommend Cinema Smooth, as reviews say the E series has better black levels when it's activated (the total opposite of previous series). You will need a Blu-ray player that can output to 1080p/24 (most do, including the PS3), and also while 24p content (eg. any Blu-ray movie) is being played for the mode to be available (otherwise it's greyed out). Better black levels and removes telecine judder (by displaying 24p content at 96 Hz instead of 60 Hz) - so there's no reason not to have it activated all the time. Even with the MLL rise in the previous series with CS on, it was still worth having on.

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How do I use these Aussie post gift cards to get 20% off? I have one with not much on it however, what do I need to do?

I want a D8000 but I fear I have left my run a little late. If I can get an E8000 for $2500 ish I would be stoked!

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Thanks everyone, I found a D8000 for abour 1000 less than the best I could get for the E series, wrangled out a 5 year warranty and got 4 extra pairs of the new 4100 goggles, so I have my 64" TV!

Will deliver and install later this week.

Fingers crossed, as I have an option for a E series if the D 8000 doesn't pan out.

Now, for some settings and info on the D8000!

Hi Pete,

Can you pm me if there are any more available and the location of the store ? Thanks for your help.

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I ran the AVS test disc, as well as a couple of others, including the old favourite THX test on the Star Wars DVDs, the Disney one on the Pixar Blu-rays. Here's the settings I ended up with (dim light viewing environment):

Mode: Movie

CS: On

Cell Light: 19

Contrast: 90

Brightness: 47

Sharpness: 0

Colour: 50 48 (see edit below)

Gamma: 0

And everything else off. So not too far away from the Cnet settings. The Cell light/contrast is really up to individual taste, how sensitive you are to light in your viewing environment, but the brightness can be easily set just by displaying a black image (the black bars on widescreen movies will do), and adjusting it until you don't see any dithering/dancing pixels - for me, this came at 45, although the AVS disc recommended 50 for my viewing environment, so the middle-ground 47 was chosen. For the AVS disc though, you really need to ensure your Blu-ray player settings are correct, especially on the PS3 (specifically, these settings), since otherwise the test patterns won't display properly.

Interestingly, I found that the "black image switch off" problem can be fixed by ensuring the brightness setting does not drop below 45. On the '2012' Blu-ray, for the starting and title sequence I mentioned above, at 45, the black image switch off problem goes away completely. But one setting down, at 44, and it's back, and the lower it is, the worse it is (or rather, the longer the screen seems to stay in "off mode" before switching on, so 44 is a fast flcker, but at 38, it's a longer flash of the screen). There's no need to go below 45 unless you want black crush, so I guess that's the switch off problem easily mitigated!

Edit: Colour setting changed to 48, after using RGB blue only mode. Will have to make the hue adjustments later.

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