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Seems the method and cost of producing OLED based screens is improving...

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Awesomeness... looking fwd to that. . . instead of wall mounting our tv's. . we can just use blu tack to hold them in place..lol...

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Awesomeness... looking fwd to that. . . instead of wall mounting our tv's. . we can just use blu tack to hold them in place..lol...

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Easier than screws hey...

It may not be that long before whole walls could be screens... reminds me of "Total Recall" somehow. ^_^

Interesting prospect though, it could mean days are numbered for projection systems.

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Sony has been working on this technology for years and still it hasn't got past the size of a tea towel.

Whatever happened to their Scanning laser projector ? That technology was much more viable.

The name of the game is....marketing, the capabilities of the product is secondary to that, remember the HD DVD and Blu-ray shamozzle. It was aggressive marketing that killed HD DVD, not Blu-ray as a product.

OLed does have many desirable attributes but first it must be of a marketable size to compete, and on price, otherwise it may as well remain a curiosity. Who knows ? One day it may adorn our fridges and such but the reality may be more futuristic than we would hope.

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Sony has been working on this technology for years and still it hasn't got past the size of a tea towel.

Whatever happened to their Scanning laser projector ? That technology was much more viable.

The name of the game is....marketing, the capabilities of the product is secondary to that, remember the HD DVD and Blu-ray shamozzle. It was aggressive marketing that killed HD DVD, not Blu-ray as a product.

OLed does have many desirable attributes but first it must be of a marketable size to compete, and on price, otherwise it may as well remain a curiosity. Who knows ? One day it may adorn our fridges and such but the reality may be more futuristic than we would hope.

C.M

Well it seems LG are releasing a 31" OLED panel this year, although it will be $9000 to start I'm sure prices will drop and sizes increase on a similar scale to LCD and Plasma panels...

As for size it seems there is a 55" in the pipeline, along with Samsung investing $4.8 billion on OLED alone, and LG $18.2 billion, a decent part of which will be on 3D OLED displays. With all due respect it seems that this is alot of investment for something that is "futuristic", yet may be here in next few years in a decent size at least.

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"Samsung says that they will invest 5.4 trillion won ($4.8 billion) on OLED factories this year."

"A couple of months ago there were reports that Samsung plans a Gen-8 pilot line for OLED TVs that will produce 4000 55" OLED TVs monthly. Perhaps Samsung will indeed build this plant during 2011."

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Well it seems LG are releasing a 31" OLED panel this year, although it will be $9000 to start I'm sure prices will drop and sizes increase on a similar scale to LCD and Plasma panels...

As for size it seems there is a 55" in the pipeline, along with Samsung investing $4.8 billion on OLED alone, and LG $18.2 billion, a decent part of which will be on 3D OLED displays. With all due respect it seems that this is alot of investment for something that is "futuristic", yet may be here in next few years in a decent size at least.

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"Samsung says that they will invest 5.4 trillion won ($4.8 billion) on OLED factories this year."

"A couple of months ago there were reports that Samsung plans a Gen-8 pilot line for OLED TVs that will produce 4000 55" OLED TVs monthly. Perhaps Samsung will indeed build this plant during 2011."

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Well I am very surprised to hear that, I was under the impression that most companies had dropped OLED some time ago because of the limited lifespan of the organic materials. Obviously they have overcome such problems if such a large investment is taking place.

But to be honest, $9000 for a 31" OLED panel is way to 'futuristic' for me, even at $900.

C.M

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LOL at the optimism and how this is supposed to be a new development. Looks like very little has changed on the OLED scene since 2006

http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/rollabl...splays-2006029/

I never said the roll down/flexible aspect was new or OLED's, simply that alot more investment is going into OLED screens in general now and that there is alot more development in relation to cost. Fair to say that these companies have not invested anywhere near this amount in the past on OLED screens, however they have had to justify all their investment in LCD and plasma first... Of course they will all still push LCD and plasma for some time, but a new screen type entrant into the maket would be welcome IMO. Read all the links provided for more info on current investment plans for OLED.

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I really did think SED had a chance but with the current prices on Plasma and LED there is no way a new display technology is ever going to make a dint in the marketplace, let alone OLED with its miniscule screen sizes.

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I really did think SED had a chance but with the current prices on Plasma and LED there is no way a new display technology is ever going to make a dint in the marketplace, let alone OLED with its miniscule screen sizes.

C.M

Yes SED looked promising at one point, it's a damb shame it won't be developed into a commercial sucess.

As for OLED I guess it depends on Sony, Samsung, LG etc. to continue to explore these new ways to make OLED screens on the cheap, something which was discussed briefly in the first article... an inkjet type process. Surely with this type of heavy investment in OLED this year and a 31" coming out in will only be a matter of years before we see larger screens at better price points...

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Sony has been working on this technology for years and still it hasn't got past the size of a tea towel.

Whatever happened to their Scanning laser projector ? That technology was much more viable.

The name of the game is....marketing, the capabilities of the product is secondary to that, remember the HD DVD and Blu-ray shamozzle. It was aggressive marketing that killed HD DVD, not Blu-ray as a product.

OLed does have many desirable attributes but first it must be of a marketable size to compete, and on price, otherwise it may as well remain a curiosity. Who knows ? One day it may adorn our fridges and such but the reality may be more futuristic than we would hope.

C.M

Yeah,when Sony bailed out of LCD & Plasma R&D in the 1990's the talk in USA Technology Mags. was they had made a breakthru. with a new type of Laser display,with hindsight some think it was an OLED type technology but they have obviously run into major deadends/problems as its still not on the market and they have backflipped and invested heavily into LCD. Time will tell but i'm sure they will come up with something new to get the consumer to spend money.

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Yeah,when Sony bailed out of LCD & Plasma R&D in the 1990's the talk in USA Technology Mags. was they had made a breakthru. with a new type of Laser display,with hindsight some think it was an OLED type technology but they have obviously run into major deadends/problems as its still not on the market and they have backflipped and invested heavily into LCD. Time will tell but i'm sure they will come up with something new to get the consumer to spend money.

Laser TV is completely different to OLED apart from the laser using a diode... it certainly had promise too, however the last release of a laser TV was by Mitsubishi in 2008. The has been some developments in this area also, see here.

They will definitely find new ways for people to spend money that's for sure.

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As for size it seems there is a 55" in the pipeline, along with Samsung investing $4.8 billion on OLED alone, and LG $18.2 billion, a decent part of which will be on 3D OLED displays.

"Samsung says that they will invest 5.4 trillion won ($4.8 billion) on OLED factories this year."

"A couple of months ago there were reports that Samsung plans a Gen-8 pilot line for OLED TVs that will produce 4000 55" OLED TVs monthly. Perhaps Samsung will indeed build this plant during 2011."

As has been discussed, Samsung and LG are releasing 55" OLED panels this year.

Sony and Panasonic are also getting in on the action.

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"Sony Corporation (“Sony”) and Panasonic Corporation (“Panasonic”) today announced that they have signed an agreement regarding the joint development of next-generation OLED (organic light-emitting diode) panels and modules for TVs and large-sized displays."

"Also, each company plans to utilize its own strengths to develop and commercialize its own competitive, high-performance, next-generation OLED televisions and large-sized displays."

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Looks like laser tv is out of the question. I wonder if the products Sony and Panny produce are going to be able to compete with Lg and sammy. They did join the race a bit late, but considering that lg and sammy are releasing it later this year maybe they'd be able to compete in 2013.

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You are assuming OLED will be overall better than existing products, thats is FAR from established. Don't count your chickens until they have hatched, OLED could take several generations before it is truly competitive and by then something else may have come along.

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Anyone can buy a Samsung OLED after they are released and copy it as much as they want, however if they ever try to sell a product that infringes Samsung's patents they will be sued out of existence.

Most of the technology is in how the panels are produced not the panels them selves.

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http://www.oled-info.com/lg-display-announce-plans-650-million-gen-8-oled-tv-fab-will-begin-production-h1-2014

"LG Display announced today that they have decided to install a new Gen-8 OLED TV mass production line in their Paju plant, in a 706 billion Won (about $650 million) investment. LGD will start constructing the new line in Q1 2013 and mass production will begin in H1 2014.

The monthly capacity of LG's new line will be 26,000 substrates - or about 150,000 55" panels. Of course this is assuming 100% yield. LG's yields are currently very low - probably at around 30% (at best). If this remains so, the new line's capacity will be around 50,000 55" panels in a month.

OLED TV shipments estimates for 2014 range from about 200,000 (iSupply) to almost 2 million (DisplaySearch). LG themselves said last month that they expect the OLED TV market to reach around 600,000 units in 2014. Of course LG is not the only OLED TV maker, and by 2014 we hope to see OLED TVs on the market from at least Samsung, Panasonic and Sony as well."

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Gen-8 as in generation 8?

Whatever happened to gen-1 to gen-7? All prototypes? Wow, no wonder OLEDs are expensive :no:...

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Gen-8 as in generation 8?

Whatever happened to gen-1 to gen-7? All prototypes? Wow, no wonder OLEDs are expensive :no:...

Don't forget OLED has been used in many smaller applications for some time... so no not all prototypes.

OLED screens are cheap to produce, just in large sizes they still have a high failure rate and ATM production is in a low phase. This is not the case for smaller screens.

Once production ramps up to higher levels (as discussed above) then prices will fall as supply increases.

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Once production ramps up to higher levels (as discussed above) then prices will fall as supply increases.

Waiting for that... Not sure how many years I have been waiting for that to happen, but I'm patient :) Hopefully this will pick up my interest in HT again :)

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Problem is OLED has very stiff competition from very cheap to produce LCD displays that are becoming available in very large sizes.

Its going to be a rough road for OLED.

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Problem is OLED has very stiff competition from very cheap to produce LCD displays that are becoming available in very large sizes.

Its going to be a rough road for OLED.

Not really... companies buy and invest in what technologies they want to sell, hence the large investment in OLED by all the major brands. The 3rd party companies that produce the panels can't do much if the major brand companies don't want to buy their panels any more... Once the production bugs are ironed out, OLED panels will be more economically viable and cheaper to produce than LCD/plasma.

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