Samsung 2010 Pricing For Oz

[Alexaki]

Does anyone know when Samsung Australia will announce the 2010 TV pricing and model line up...they have been out in the US for several weeks now...does anyone have any insight as to when and what price the models will be in Oz?.

[purpleninja]

Probably won't be out until the first of the TVs is about to be released.

I'd expect at least some preliminary pricing info in April

[Alexaki]

Update:

Pricing will officially be released mid april...After twisting the Salespersons arm at Samsung I can exclusively reveal:

1) Series 6 55" 2010 model will be called 6900 series and retail for $3999 no 3D and will be 100hz.

2) Series 7 55: 2010 model will have 3D and be 200hz and retail for $4799...available late April.

Cheers...He reckons we should be able to haggle a couple of hundred off the RRP from day one!.

[pgdownload]

Cheers...He reckons we should be able to haggle a couple of hundred off the RRP from day one!.

RRP is just a gentle con these days (Like those sales that never end). They just allow a 25% sticker to be used on day 1

Good info though. Just a thought on Series 7. Is it all about 3D? I'd hate to think that the big manufacturers are now stopping improvements in 2D PQ and going full tilt at 3D only.

Regards

Peter Gillespie

[Uncle_Roy]

Update:

Pricing will officially be released mid april...After twisting the Salespersons arm at Samsung I can exclusively reveal:

1) Series 6 55" 2010 model will be called 6900 series and retail for $3999 no 3D and will be 100hz.

2) Series 7 55: 2010 model will have 3D and be 200hz and retail for $4799...available late April.

Cheers...He reckons we should be able to haggle a couple of hundred off the RRP from day one!.

i assume series 7 is the 7000 model....any news on the 8000 and 9000 2010 LED's?

[Alexaki]

i assume series 7 is the 7000 model....any news on the 8000 and 9000 2010 LED's?

I didn't ask beyond series7 ....but I'm sure if you get on the alcapone to Samsung you'll be able to get more info...if you twist their arm a bit.....

[andys]

Update:

Pricing will officially be released mid april...After twisting the Salespersons arm at Samsung I can exclusively reveal:

1) Series 6 55" 2010 model will be called 6900 series and retail for $3999 no 3D and will be 100hz.

2) Series 7 55: 2010 model will have 3D and be 200hz and retail for $4799...available late April.

Cheers...He reckons we should be able to haggle a couple of hundred off the RRP from day one!.

Are these LCD?

I was given a price today on a 2010 55" C650 LCD 100hz (non 3D) ... $2999. Lower than last year's RRP for a 55" B650! Prices are not concrete though and may vary slightly when released.

Andys.

[Xzar]

Update:

Pricing will officially be released mid april...After twisting the Salespersons arm at Samsung I can exclusively reveal:

1) Series 6 55" 2010 model will be called 6900 series and retail for $3999 no 3D and will be 100hz.

2) Series 7 55: 2010 model will have 3D and be 200hz and retail for $4799...available late April.

Cheers...He reckons we should be able to haggle a couple of hundred off the RRP from day one!.

The one that interest me is the C6800 (due out in May). It's the same as the C8000 minus 200Hz (100Hz instead) and 3D.

Not sure how the precision dimming works but it sounds like it might be a decently priced high spec model.

Here's the link with the comparison of their new models:

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/tv-vide...agetype=subtype

The C6800 is priced at US$3000 (55") and US$2300 (46"). Interestingly, the above Samsung link only has the C6800 available in 55" or 60".

This compares with the C7000 which is priced at US$3300 (55") and US$2600 (46").

http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/03...r.led.tvs.pmps/

Going on these prices and what Alexaki was able to get out of Samsung, we should see the 55" C6800 at less than $4800 RRP.

Edited March 29, 2010 by Xzar

[Alexaki]

Are these LCD?

I was given a price today on a 2010 55" C650 LCD 100hz (non 3D) ... $2999. Lower than last year's RRP for a 55" B650! Prices are not concrete though and may vary slightly when released.

Andys.

Andys..I was quoted on the LED model range....sounds like the C650 is the LA66B6000 replacement which is LCD only without LED back/edge lighting...

[Owen]

Are these LCD?

I was given a price today on a 2010 55" C650 LCD 100hz (non 3D) ... $2999. Lower than last year's RRP for a 55" B650! Prices are not concrete though and may vary slightly when released.

Andys.

Considering Sonys competing 55” LCD is around $2000 that price won’t stand up.

[purpleninja]

The C8000 is getting good reviews from users in the US. I hope the small (US$200) price difference between the C7000 and the C8000 in the US is also carried over here.

Edited March 29, 2010 by purpleninja

[purpleninja]

The US model/price/size/release is:

MODEL NO. | PRICE | SZ | REL

UN55C9000 | $7,000 | 55 | APR

UN46C9000 | $6,000 | 46 | APR

UN65C8000 | $5,000 | 65 | JUL

UN55C8000 | $3,500 | 55 | APR

UN46C8000 | $2,800 | 46 | APR

UN55C7000 | $3,300 | 55 | MAR

UN46C7000 | $2,600 | 46 | MAR

UN40C7000 | $2,000 | 40 | MAY

UN55C6800 | $3,000 | 55 | MAY

UN46C6800 | $2,300 | 46 | MAY

UN65C6500 | $4,500 | 65 | MAY

UN55C6500 | $2,800 | 55 | MAR

UN46C6500 | $2,100 | 46 | MAR

UN40C6500 | $1,700 | 40 | MAY

UN32C6500 | $1,200 | 32 | MAY

UN60C6300 | $3,000 | 60 | MAY

UN55C6300 | $2,500 | 55 | MAR

UN46C6300 | $1,700 | 46 | MAR

UN40C6300 | $1,400 | 40 | MAR

UN55C5000 | $2,300 | 55 | MAR

UN46C5000 | $1,500 | 46 | MAR

UN40C5000 | $1,200 | 40 | MAR

UN32C6300 | $850 | 32 | MAR

UN32C4000 | $700 | 32 | MAR

UN26C4000 | $550 | 26 | MAR

UN22C4000 | $430 | 22 | MAR

UN19C4000 | $380 | 19 | MAR

If the AU price for the C7000 is almost $5k, the C9000 is going to be over $10k!!

Edited March 29, 2010 by purpleninja

[ShadowSpin]

Um, from what I know, Samsung Series 4-7 LCD (maybe not LCD Ser7), LED and plasma Australian RRP prices have sort of been finalised, barring last minute adjustments. I just can't remember them all.

Uh, LA40C650 $1499, LA46C650 $2299, LA55C650 $2899, UA55C7000 $4799, PS50C7000 $2499, UA32C6900 $1499, LA32B650 $1149 and now my memory becomes fuzzy. Have fun.

Personally, I think the entire LCD line looks good value, especially since LED have thumped the prices down. LED C7000 replacement for LED B8000 (3D, plus price drop). PS50C7000 $2499 with 3D, plus thin design - good value. Of course, will have to wait and see the PQ when they come out, plus how the 3D goes and pricing of 3D glasses.

I'm not impressed at Samsung's all-out edge-lit tilt - the PQ will come from a full-array deisgn with dynamic backlighting (from what I have heard, Ser 8 is edge-lit + dynamic backlighting, except dynamic to extent of around 8-12 sections of the screen, as opposed to 100-200+ for a full array).

Of course, usual disclaimer, they have not been officially released - anything can happen so no responsibility here. Ser 8, 9 LED released later so no pricing. Don't really know waht's happening with LCD C750, plasma C8000.

Owen - c.low-$2000s for Sony 55" is a discounted price. RRP is $2699 for Sony 55EX5. Samsung 55C650 is a little more, but Samsung usually has the higher margin, so lets see what the discount/neg. prices are. Also, I don't think the full spec sheet for Australian C650 has been officially released, so wait and see for that for comparison. I mean, in 2009 models, Samsung initially put B650 at W series pricing, but towards the end started pricing it either at Z series or in between W and Z. I've always believed that the B650 sort of floated between the W and Z, and pricing at W made it good value, so let's see where C650 will sit.

Off topic - I've seen some stuff on LG pricing and models, but nothing on Panasonic prices.

[purpleninja]

The 2009 flagship Series 8 55" (UA55B8000) had a RRP of AU$5,999.

If the UA55C7000 is going to be AU$4,799, then the UA55C8000 could be around AU$5,200 (US$200 difference in the USA so maybe AU$400 here)

But as the price difference in the US between the C8000 and the C9000 is double that would make the RRP for the C9000 here over $10,000!

I can't see Samsung going for that, especially with Panasonic's 2009 prices being so much better than their 2008 prices - e.g. for the 65" plasma - $6699 (2009 model) vs $12k (2008 model)

All RRP of course, so hopefully they will be available for less, especially if they are going to do a big push for the World Cup.

[Owen]

It highly doubtful that any of the edge lit LED LCD’s will match the performance of the superseded 2009 B750 ccfl models, if that’s progress they can keep it.

The only way forward for LED is local dimming back lit, edge lit is crap.

Edited March 29, 2010 by Owen

[Alexaki]

It highly doubtful that any of the edge lit LED LCD’s will match the performance of the superseded 2009 B750 ccfl models, if that’s progress they can keep it.

The only way forward for LED is local dimming back lit, edge lit is crap.

why Do you say that?

[Uncle_Roy]

It highly doubtful that any of the edge lit LED LCD’s will match the performance of the superseded 2009 B750 ccfl models, if that’s progress they can keep it.

The only way forward for LED is local dimming back lit, edge lit is crap.

thought i read this somewhere.....quote from an earlier DTV post

@ http://hometheaterreview.com/samsungs-new-...-sets-and-more/

....unless I read this incorrectly this is what you are looking for...no?

"Picture Quality

Samsung's premium LED TV's will boast unsurpassed picture quality by using a Samsung-developed technology that merges the advantages of LED edge-lighting with the control of local dimming technology in directly back-lit LED televisions. This technology along with Samsung's high-efficiency LED light source and proprietary picture enhancement engine with video processor ensure unsurpassed picture quality with vibrant colors, deep blacks and better contrast ratios."

[Owen]

Conventional ccfl LCD’s light the entire panel evenly while edge lit LED models are eliminated from the edge only resulting in flash lighting and uniformity issues. Back lit local dimming provides consistent screen uniformity like ccfl with the additional advantage of local diming for improved contrast and back levels.

Edge lit LED is all about marketing, it provides inferior performance to ccfl LCD unless all you value is brightness.

[purpleninja]

Conventional ccfl LCD’s light the entire panel evenly while edge lit LED models are eliminated from the edge only resulting in flash lighting and uniformity issues. Back lit local dimming provides consistent screen uniformity like ccfl with the additional advantage of local diming for improved contrast and back levels.

Edge lit LED is all about marketing, it provides inferior performance to ccfl LCD unless all you value is brightness.

Do you know how good the "local pinpoint dimming" on the C8000 is meant to be?

Is it just marketing or is it actually any good?

[Owen]

Do you know how good the "local pinpoint dimming" on the C8000 is meant to be?

Is it just marketing or is it actually any good?

I believe the 8000 is edge lit so it can’t do local dimming.

[ShadowSpin]

The C8000 will do local dimming, and is edge lit. Don't know how (because to send the light to the middle of the screen will light up its entire travel path, and it sounds stupid). But I've found the answer I was looking for, and that is it is token and is nowhere near as good as backlit local dimming.

As I said in my post above, it seems like that in terms of dynamic backlighting, the screen on the C8000 will be broken down into 8-12 different sections where the backlight can be independently controlled. On the A950, it was in the hundreds. If what I read is true, and 8-12 is what the C8000 will do, then that is rubbish. That is why I think if you are insisting on a 3D LED this year, go the C7000. No word on local pricing for the C8000, but unless it's within $200 of the C7000, then not worth it.

The C9000 is like the Sony ZX1 - slimmed down (approx 8mm) with all the inputs and tuner bits put into the base (it is not wireless like the ZX1, just that all the bits are taken out from the TV unit and housed separately). C9000 though cuts the local dimming on the C8000. Again in my belief, not worth it. It is incredible how many people want slim TVs and have absolutely no plans to wall mount - I mean, where the hell do you guys sit in your house to watch the damn thing? Perperndicular? Better be, otherwise you've just lost a wallop of money on nothing.

I have heard something about Sony bringing out a new XBR later that will again have back lit local dimming, but I haven't seen or heard anything official (maybe I'm looking at the wrong places).

LG though will have backlit local dimming - pity because as a brand they're rubbish, otherwise I'd be recommending it to every man and his dog who doesn't want a plasma.

purpleninja: Don't expect the pricing between C7000 and C8000 to be as close here than in the US. The US have a very long model line-up and that means more TV models to squeeze into the same price range = less price differentiation. For example, all I've seen on the local model-line up so far is Aus having the C6900 v the US having the C6300, C6500 and C6800 on the Series 6. Aus = less models, more price differentiation. Also depend how well Samsung can sell their local dimming junk - problem is if they do such a good job of it (like they've done with slim TVs), then they'd be helping the other manufacturers who have much much much much much better implementations. Stupid gits cornered themselves into a tight spot by marketing exclusively on thinness - a factor of the TV that not only is useless for most consumers who don't wall mount, but actually affects picture quality and the potential to increase PQ negatively. Still like their LCDs though.

[purpleninja]

The C8000 will do local dimming, and is edge lit. Don't know how (because to send the light to the middle of the screen will light up its entire travel path, and it sounds stupid). But I've found the answer I was looking for, and that is it is token and is nowhere near as good as backlit local dimming.

As I said in my post above, it seems like that in terms of dynamic backlighting, the screen on the C8000 will be broken down into 8-12 different sections where the backlight can be independently controlled. On the A950, it was in the hundreds. If what I read is true, and 8-12 is what the C8000 will do, then that is rubbish. That is why I think if you are insisting on a 3D LED this year, go the C7000. No word on local pricing for the C8000, but unless it's within $200 of the C7000, then not worth it.

The C9000 is like the Sony ZX1 - slimmed down (approx 8mm) with all the inputs and tuner bits put into the base (it is not wireless like the ZX1, just that all the bits are taken out from the TV unit and housed separately). C9000 though cuts the local dimming on the C8000. Again in my belief, not worth it. It is incredible how many people want slim TVs and have absolutely no plans to wall mount - I mean, where the hell do you guys sit in your house to watch the damn thing? Perperndicular? Better be, otherwise you've just lost a wallop of money on nothing.

I have heard something about Sony bringing out a new XBR later that will again have back lit local dimming, but I haven't seen or heard anything official (maybe I'm looking at the wrong places).

LG though will have backlit local dimming - pity because as a brand they're rubbish, otherwise I'd be recommending it to every man and his dog who doesn't want a plasma.

purpleninja: Don't expect the pricing between C7000 and C8000 to be as close here than in the US. The US have a very long model line-up and that means more TV models to squeeze into the same price range = less price differentiation. For example, all I've seen on the local model-line up so far is Aus having the C6900 v the US having the C6300, C6500 and C6800 on the Series 6. Aus = less models, more price differentiation. Also depend how well Samsung can sell their local dimming junk - problem is if they do such a good job of it (like they've done with slim TVs), then they'd be helping the other manufacturers who have much much much much much better implementations. Stupid gits cornered themselves into a tight spot by marketing exclusively on thinness - a factor of the TV that not only is useless for most consumers who don't wall mount, but actually affects picture quality and the potential to increase PQ negatively. Still like their LCDs though.

Thanks for the info mate :-)

You're almost certainly right on the larger price gap between the C7000 and C8000 here, compared to the US. US$200 really is a joke when the C8000 is meant to have the "local dimming" (as limited as it may be compared to the A950), wifi and a premium remote, compared to the C7000 which is wifi ready, normal remote and no "local dimming".

I wouldn't be surprised if they put the C8000 at the old Series 8 pricepoint ($5,999), or a little less, and made the C9000 $2-4k more than that.

They'll probably try to keep the flagship under the magic $10k figure but it all depends on how exclusive they want to make it.

Ironic how Panasonic figured out that not enough people are willing to pay >$10k for a TV, and now Samsung is heading to those lofty price-points with the C9000.

I guess all will be revealed in a couple of weeks.

On another topic, I've heard some rumours on US boards that the 65" C8000 may not be released at all.

Edited March 29, 2010 by purpleninja

[purpleninja]

There's a simple comparison table of the different features of 2010 Samsung LEDs here:

http://www.flatpanels.dk/billeder/samsung2010led-1l.jpg

[Uncle_Roy]

just a couple of OS reviews and comments on this new lineup I thought you might like to read....

"Samsung has retracted all plans to manufacture and deliver the UN65C8000 as part of its 2010 LED TV lineup."

"I am definitely satisfied with the pictures and see what a HUGE difference and advantages the UN55C8000 has over the UN55C7000. It is pretty clear that the extra money is well worth it for the upgraded back light, thanks again man!"

"I put up the 55c8000 at the store I work at a few days ago. Its right next to a c6500 which should have the same contrast as the 7000. The difference is extremely noticeable. Brighter, more pop, and most importantly much better black level which of course also greatly reduced the amount of flashlighting and clouding. Im a plasma guy,but would consider buying this set. Easily worth the extra ~$300 over the c7000. I have no idea how the "pinpoint dimming" works, but it works."

[Owen]

The C8000 will do local dimming, and is edge lit. Don't know how (because to send the light to the middle of the screen will light up its entire travel path, and it sounds stupid). But I've found the answer I was looking for, and that is it is token and is nowhere near as good as backlit local dimming.

As I said in my post above, it seems like that in terms of dynamic backlighting, the screen on the C8000 will be broken down into 8-12 different sections where the backlight can be independently controlled. On the A950, it was in the hundreds. If what I read is true, and 8-12 is what the C8000 will do, then that is rubbish. That is why I think if you are insisting on a 3D LED this year, go the C7000. No word on local pricing for the C8000, but unless it's within $200 of the C7000, then not worth it.

Since the first and second generation Samsung local dimming sets (back lit) used many times more lighting zones and even that was still not enough to do the job properly, these so called “local dimming” models are nothing more than a bad joke.

Since Samsung where forced to withdraw their last true local dimming model due to infringing Sharps patents it may well be we will not see another true local dimming back lit model from them. If that’s the case Samsung is out of the game in the high quality end of the market, edge lighting does not cut it.