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OK, now for the explanation.

As you may know, my penchant is for outback landscape photography. On my previous trip I became completely disenchanted with the 7D's APS-C FOVCF. Ergo, an upgrade to a FF camera was required (upgraditis?). In effect, an upgrade to a 5D and seeing how the need is not urgent, I can wait until the 5D3 is released.

My current main, walk-about lens is the EF-S 17-82 - the salient bit being the "S", i.e., the lens is incompatible with a FF body. Ergo (again) a new lens is required. But which one? Well, I've decided that a specialist wide-angle zoom would be a good idea. Thus the 16-35mm.

This leaves the question of what to use as a walkabout lens. At the moment, it would be the EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS USM.

As for why now: Just a matter of phasing the expenditure.

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bushy, I share your pain, and my credit card is most definitely on ice for similar duration :(

but yeah, my only dissatisfaction with the 7D is field of view. have 5D clearly in sights to but will definitely be waiting for the 5D3. but yeah some time next till likely afford one.

re walk about lenses. the 24-105 can attest is a beauty in that role. even with the 7D. infact it is my general use lens both indoors and out. but yeah not wide enough for landscapes again because of the damn crop factor of the 7D. who knows might be good enough in that role with a full frame ?.

I too been yearning for wide angle as well. and given your penchant for landscape photography I can imagine 16-35 being an absolute beauty in that role. I wish I could afford one, but going to have to settle on a 17-40 I think. and problem with that thing is likely going to be replaced. so god knows what to do in my case :unsure: given cant afford to be buying anything, I should probably not be thinking about it either ! hehe

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OK, now for the explanation.

As you may know, my penchant is for outback landscape photography. On my previous trip I became completely disenchanted with the 7D's APS-C FOVCF. Ergo, an upgrade to a FF camera was required (upgraditis?). In effect, an upgrade to a 5D and seeing how the need is not urgent, I can wait until the 5D3 is released.

I do hope the new 5D will not be a dust magnet.. My original 5D is.. Hopefully MM can tell us how good the 5D2 is at rejecting dust, and hope the 5D3 is better... Dust, and big violent shutter/mirror mechanism may well be the two drawbacks..

I do think FF is better in almost everything, not just for landscape, but for portrait as well, and in the rare occasions where I dare to shoot strangers, street too.

But 7D is no slouch either..

As for why now: Just a matter of phasing the expenditure.

Great one two punch combo.. Nice selection though... :)

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Also looking at 24-70 but it has two strikes against it (no IS and leaves a hole between the 70mm top end and the bottom of my 100-400mm) and only one for it (F/2.8). The 24-105 has one strike against (F/4) and one for (IS).

Who knows what might be around when I'm ready to make up my mind.

As for dust magnet: My gear is stored in a dust and water-proof backpack. I probably wouldn't get anything out if it's too dusty. (What would you be photographing anyway, probably couldn't get a good shot?) Yeah, could be exposed to dust whilst walking but that's what dust brushes are for.

7D: Yep, absolutely great camera but just not for me and what I want to do.

BTW: Before buying the 16-35 I went to the shop and took some test shots with their 5D2 and I must admit the 5D did fit nicely in my hand with all operations being very smooth and "positive". So definitely can see why people love their 5D.

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The 24-70 is a fantastic lens though... Mk2 rumoured, with IS.

BTW: Before buying the 16-35 I went to the shop and took some test shots with their 5D2 and I must admit the 5D did fit nicely in my hand with all operations being very smooth and "positive". So definitely can see why people love their 5D.

Add a grip, bang on the 24-105, and you'd realised just how balanced the baby is... It is heavy, but it is very well balanced... Esp when u bang on a long lens...

The balance just feels right with everything at the right hand fingertips...

When I take wide angle shots, the horizontal will be balanced automagically... Then after a few hours, it will slant and slant as the grip weakens... :lol::P Grip not necessary with tripod though..

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The 24-70 is a fantastic lens though... Mk2 rumoured, with IS.

Hmm, that'd muddy the waters a tad.

Add a grip, bang on the 24-105, and you'd realised just how balanced the baby is... It is heavy, but it is very well balanced... Esp when u bang on a long lens...

The balance just feels right with everything at the right hand fingertips...

When I take wide angle shots, the horizontal will be balanced automagically... Then after a few hours, it will slant and slant as the grip weakens... :lol::P Grip not necessary with tripod though..

Wimp! :lol:

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The 24-70 is a fantastic lens though... Mk2 rumoured, with IS.

Hmm, that'd muddy the waters a tad.

Add a grip, bang on the 24-105, and you'd realised just how balanced the baby is... It is heavy, but it is very well balanced... Esp when u bang on a long lens...

The balance just feels right with everything at the right hand fingertips...

When I take wide angle shots, the horizontal will be balanced automagically... Then after a few hours, it will slant and slant as the grip weakens... :lol::P Grip not necessary with tripod though..

Wimp! :lol:

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Also looking at 24-70 but it has two strikes against it (no IS and leaves a hole between the 70mm top end and the bottom of my 100-400mm) and only one for it (F/2.8). The 24-105 has one strike against (F/4) and one for (IS).

Who knows what might be around when I'm ready to make up my mind.

As for dust magnet: My gear is stored in a dust and water-proof backpack. I probably wouldn't get anything out if it's too dusty. (What would you be photographing anyway, probably couldn't get a good shot?) Yeah, could be exposed to dust whilst walking but that's what dust brushes are for.

7D: Yep, absolutely great camera but just not for me and what I want to do.

BTW: Before buying the 16-35 I went to the shop and took some test shots with their 5D2 and I must admit the 5D did fit nicely in my hand with all operations being very smooth and "positive". So definitely can see why people love their 5D.

GB after buying the 24-105 I did still wonder what 24-70 would have been like. I borrowed one from a friend at work over a week end and without shadow of doubt very glad have the 24-105. the IS is quite a factor with the 24-105L and the extra length also for walkabout. the 24-70 is bloody heavy too, and the IS on the 24-105 a major factor for it. its pretty amazing thing with the IS both for indoors and low light.

but yeah if not in a rush see what comes ...

I can imagine the 16-35 and 5D would definitely be THE pairing for your landscaping needs :)

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Interesting stuff, Al. TBH weight is not a factor but I'm a huge fan of IS. The 100-400 has it, and really needs it at the 400 end. To me a walkaround without it is pretty useless. The 16-35 doesn't have it but, for what I'll be using it for, it doesn't need it.

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From http://www.canon.com.au/en-AU/Support-Serv.../Warranty-Terms

Canon offers an international warranty on non-digital Canon compact cameras, non-digital Canon SLR camera bodies, Canon lenses for all SLR cameras, Canon Speedlites and Canon photographic accessories only. If travelling overseas, the Customer may receive warranty service for those Products on these terms from members of the Canon Camera International Service Network. A list of those members is enclosed with the Product. The Customer must present this warranty card and the original proof of purchase to receive warranty service.

Food for thought with the high AU$. :ninja:

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From http://www.canon.com.au/en-AU/Support-Serv.../Warranty-Terms

Food for thought with the high AU$. :ninja:

That is always the case.. international warranty for lens, but local warranties for bodies... Doesn't really matter for bodies because they are "consumables", and in my case I have to ship the body over east (I might as well have it fixed in HK)...

Pull the trigger on the 24-70? :ninja::lol:

But you sure you dun wanna wait for the MkII? Newer = better?

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That is always the case.. international warranty for lens, but local warranties for bodies... Doesn't really matter for bodies because they are "consumables", and in my case I have to ship the body over east (I might as well have it fixed in HK)...

Pull the trigger on the 24-70? :ninja::lol:

But you sure you dun wanna wait for the MkII? Newer = better?

Only found out today.

Not interested in the 24-70. The 24-105 OTOH... :rolleyes:

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Only found out today.

Pretty sure it's mentioned multiple times in this thread somewhere.. But now you know :P ..

Not interested in the 24-70. The 24-105 OTOH... :rolleyes:

Apparently will have a 24-105 MkII too to match with the new 5DMk3... hee heee... Latest from rumours is a Feb 2012 announcement... :P

With the 24-105, maybe really a better idea to wait... at 24, on FF, the distortions aren't pretty.... Luckily they can be fixed in PP....

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Pretty sure it's mentioned multiple times in this thread somewhere.. But now you know :P ..

Apparently will have a 24-105 MkII too to match with the new 5DMk3... hee heee... Latest from rumours is a Feb 2012 announcement... :P

With the 24-105, maybe really a better idea to wait... at 24, on FF, the distortions aren't pretty.... Luckily they can be fixed in PP....

But I don't need it in the 24-35 range (covered by the 16-35) nor the 100-105 range (covered by the 100-400)! :P

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But I don't need it in the 24-35 range (covered by the 16-35) nor the 100-105 range (covered by the 100-400)! :P

haha... :lol: :lol:

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