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Q1. Umm. No idea. But be reassured, it's a FULLHD resolution television that's for sure. Some Samsung web guy just forgot to tick it I assume.

or maybe just not got around to it yet.

Q2. Umm. No. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

That was what i figured, but just wanted confirmation.

Q3. None. I don't think there is such "certification" in the first place.

After i made my earlier post i decided to do some research on this, which took me to this site.

http://www.hdtick.com.au/index2.htm

To me it seems that the HD tick is more or less irrelivant and virtually meaningless.

"A" series is not as good as "B" series in image processing and in feature set. So make sure you get the B series as B is the 2009 model.

From my research so far i had also arrived at that conclusion also, But again nice to have confirmation from others.

This being the case, leans me even further in favour of the B650 as from my experiences having a look around the other day. Overall i was more impressed with the A650 PQ and the way it handled reflection than the G10a. So my logic says that the B650 will only be more impressive against the G10a. However i would still like to find a B650 in instore for comparision before making any firm desicions.

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Just found this post after I purchased my TV recently. Would like to share some of my experiences.

I got the sammy 50b650 at start due to the good design and all the extra features.

The fist one dead after 4 days. It start to making a "click" noise and restart itself after watch it for around 1hr. Getting worse after I keep testing it. In the end it starts to keep making that "click" noise and won't start at all. Went back to HareyNorman and sales was very good and they are happy to send me the replacement one next day. Thought that will be end of the story but not.

When the driver come to swap the TV over, I had a quick chat with them. They told me that's the third one they doing the swap!!! I am start to worry about it at that point.

Now, the second TV arrived and because I got the wall mount kit installed already, start to put it up. That's where I encounter this silly issue. With the standard M8 screws, it not fit for one of the hole(where you screw it to the wall mount don't know what's the correct name for it) in the back!!! Looks like that particular hole is larger then the other three, so the screw just can't fit at all. I can push it into it without screw it. All the other three are fit well and without any problem and I am using the same set of screws used on the previous one.

Called the shop again and they agree me to swap it over with the G10 instead.

Don't know if anyone else heard about this issue with 50B650, might be I am just unlucky. I am still like Samsung's extra features, the DLINA and USB support are fantastic. It would be a great TV. sigh.

You exchanged the Samsung for Panasonic because you did not have a bolt to fit it to the wall mount. ?????????????????????? WTF

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You exchanged the Samsung for Panasonic because you did not have a bolt to fit it to the wall mount. ?????????????????????? WTF

I think if I went through two sets with different problems, I would get jack of them (and lose faith) also and swap for something else.

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I think if I went through two sets with different problems, I would get jack of them (and lose faith) also and swap for something else.

Agreed. I hate being dicked around.

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Well I have got the G10a but didn't do a exhaustive testing out...

my friends kept telling me to take a DVD across, play it and se eteh quality etc etc... but forgot all that and made a quick purchase when I reckoned I got a good price...

initally got offerred a 3k deal for the G10a inclusive of extra 4 yrs and delivery from Myer chaddy and i accepted it on Saturday...

Recusant post later that he was offerred 2.9k triggerred buyer remorse and followed by a guy on WP getting the same for close to 2.8k, forced me to renegotiate the deal with Myer..

got it at 2.8k total.. got delivery of TV y'day and I am haaaaapppppppppyyyyy...

PQ is excellant... I like Sammy's extra features but went for Panny due to price, supposed better build as per salesperson's... Will put the diff in price to build a HTPC that will give me more features than Sammy...

I ordered a 50" G10a nearly 2 weeks ago from Clive Peeters Moorabbin for $3039 inlcuding 3yrs extra warranty and delivery but now read that you and others did much better ($2800 w/ 4yrs extra wty and delivery). I was assured this was the lowest they could go and a great price. But, I was told if I found a better price within 2 weeks of purchase Clive Peeters would better it. Now I need to demonstrate the better price - off this place as opposed to an advertised price. Any tips on how to approach this and anyone bought from Clive Peeters in similar circumstances? The TV's delivery has been delayed - out to almost 3 weeks which has added insult to the price injury!

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I think if I went through two sets with different problems, I would get jack of them (and lose faith) also and swap for something else.

So you settled for a display that you originally considered inferior to avoid a little inconvenience :blink: , that’s your call. I’ll suffer some inconvenience to get the performance I deem required every time.

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So you settled for a display that you originally considered inferior to avoid a little inconvenience :blink: , that’s your call. I’ll suffer some inconvenience to get the performance I deem required every time.

thats your call. I place 'peace of mind' at the top my list. Would do the same as Aiidi...whether Sammy to Pana or vice versa.

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I ordered a 50" G10a nearly 2 weeks ago from Clive Peeters Moorabbin for $3039 inlcuding 3yrs extra warranty and delivery but now read that you and others did much better ($2800 w/ 4yrs extra wty and delivery). I was assured this was the lowest they could go and a great price. But, I was told if I found a better price within 2 weeks of purchase Clive Peeters would better it. Now I need to demonstrate the better price - off this place as opposed to an advertised price. Any tips on how to approach this and anyone bought from Clive Peeters in similar circumstances? The TV's delivery has been delayed - out to almost 3 weeks which has added insult to the price injury!

Help!

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I ordered a 50" G10a nearly 2 weeks ago from Clive Peeters Moorabbin for $3039 inlcuding 3yrs extra warranty and delivery but now read that you and others did much better ($2800 w/ 4yrs extra wty and delivery). I was assured this was the lowest they could go and a great price. But, I was told if I found a better price within 2 weeks of purchase Clive Peeters would better it. Now I need to demonstrate the better price - off this place as opposed to an advertised price. Any tips on how to approach this and anyone bought from Clive Peeters in similar circumstances? The TV's delivery has been delayed - out to almost 3 weeks which has added insult to the price injury!

It may depend on where you live. I tried a couple of different stores (I live up north in a rural area) and no-one would drop below $2799 for the 50G10 with an extended wty. I would've like lower price (like everyone) but I ended up buying from JB as I have a friend that works there (gotta keep him in a job somehow :)) and they give my good service. It's sometimes better to get good service especially if something went wrong in the first 14 days other than looking for the lowest price and possibly get shafted when it comes to service.

Stock should arrive any day so you'll have your telly soon enough.

btw, have you started your claim for your Wii yet? If you've fully paid for it you have to begin the claim within three weeks of purchase date, then let them know the serial number once you get the TV.

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You exchanged the Samsung for Panasonic because you did not have a bolt to fit it to the wall mount. ?????????????????????? WTF

Hey mate, I am not talking about I don't have a bold to fit it to the wall mount. The screws and bold are fit perfect on the 1st Sammy(with the restart problem). And three of the screws fit in quite well for the second one, only one not fit. This is a manufacture fault by Samsung and it got nth to do with find a bold to fit it.

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It may depend on where you live. I tried a couple of different stores (I live up north in a rural area) and no-one would drop below $2799 for the 50G10 with an extended wty. I would've like lower price (like everyone) but I ended up buying from JB as I have a friend that works there (gotta keep him in a job somehow :)) and they give my good service. It's sometimes better to get good service especially if something went wrong in the first 14 days other than looking for the lowest price and possibly get shafted when it comes to service.

Stock should arrive any day so you'll have your telly soon enough.

btw, have you started your claim for your Wii yet? If you've fully paid for it you have to begin the claim within three weeks of purchase date, then let them know the serial number once you get the TV.

Thanks for your reply and the pointers. I agree about service being important. What annoyed me was that I knew the salesman - he'd sold my mum something and said he'd look after me. I had to go through the "I'll take it to my manager" ritual before getting down to $2700 (+ext wty), though when I called Myer Chadstone, a lady in TV area willingly gave me a price of $2799 over the phone with no bargaining required. In short I didn't feel I was "looked after" by my Clive Peeters contact. Almost more concerning is the following - which all G10a owners might find interesting - when I purchased mine on 5/7/09, the RRP price for this model on Panasonic's website was $3799. This makes $2700 look a healthy reduction. Yesterday, when I checked Panasonic's site, the G10a had suddenly dropped to $3299rrp! A brand new model and its price has already dropped. This $500 drop will hit resale values for owners and is a slap on the face for buyers who've carefully researched and negotiated a price as I did. I feel shafted by Panasonic and wonder if Clive Peeters had prior knowledge of this price drop.

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Thanks for your reply and the pointers. I agree about service being important. What annoyed me was that I knew the salesman - he'd sold my mum something and said he'd look after me. I had to go through the "I'll take it to my manager" ritual before getting down to $2700 (+ext wty), though when I called Myer Chadstone, a lady in TV area willingly gave me a price of $2799 over the phone with no bargaining required. In short I didn't feel I was "looked after" by my Clive Peeters contact. Almost more concerning is the following - which all G10a owners might find interesting - when I purchased mine on 5/7/09, the RRP price for this model on Panasonic's website was $3799. This makes $2700 look a healthy reduction. Yesterday, when I checked Panasonic's site, the G10a had suddenly dropped to $3299rrp! A brand new model and its price has already dropped. This $500 drop will hit resale values for owners and is a slap on the face for buyers who've carefully researched and negotiated a price as I did. I feel shafted by Panasonic and wonder if Clive Peeters had prior knowledge of this price drop.

Prices of Panasonis always drop markedly about 6-9 weeks after initial release.

So the $3799 to $3299 reduction (nowish) seems fine.

In this game earlyish adopters pay more (always)

Heck that includes me, I missed out on the Wii by one week and now the price drop.

But the reverse is that I have a really nice display at home, sometimes you just got to accept the deal you get.

Loving my G10 by the way :D

Dennis.

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Prices of Panasonis always drop markedly about 6-9 weeks after initial release.

So the $3799 to $3299 reduction (nowish) seems fine.

In this game earlyish adopters pay more (always)

Heck that includes me, I missed out on the Wii by one week and now the price drop.

But the reverse is that I have a really nice display at home, sometimes you just got to accept the deal you get.

Loving my G10 by the way :D

Dennis.

Absolutely right Dennis! that's just way it is...we can't be winners all the tine :)

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Prices of Panasonis always drop markedly about 6-9 weeks after initial release.

So the $3799 to $3299 reduction (nowish) seems fine.

In this game earlyish adopters pay more (always)

Heck that includes me, I missed out on the Wii by one week and now the price drop.

But the reverse is that I have a really nice display at home, sometimes you just got to accept the deal you get.

Loving my G10 by the way :D

Dennis.

Thanks for the words of comfort Dennis. Seems your luck was worse than mine. I have done well but wanted to do great. Very pleased to hear you're enjoying your G10.

Someone on this forum claims to have paid around $2350 for their 50" G10. Do you think that is possible? Seems far fetched to me.

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Thanks for the words of comfort Dennis. Seems your luck was worse than mine. I have done well but wanted to do great. Very pleased to hear you're enjoying your G10.

Someone on this forum claims to have paid around $2350 for their 50" G10. Do you think that is possible? Seems far fetched to me.

There is a receipt somewhere on the forum to that effect. It has ext warraty to 5yrs and delivery all for $2800 - do a search.

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Thanks for the words of comfort Dennis. Seems your luck was worse than mine. I have done well but wanted to do great. Very pleased to hear you're enjoying your G10.

Someone on this forum claims to have paid around $2350 for their 50" G10. Do you think that is possible? Seems far fetched to me.

$2350 would be an absolutly amazing deal for a 50G10. I'm a tad sceptical :)

At the moment around $2800 is the going rate for 50s down to $2000 for the 42s.

Use those as the ballparks (e.g. don't pay more.....try to pay less).

Good luck.

Dennis.

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Yesterday, when I checked Panasonic's site, the G10a had suddenly dropped to $3299rrp! A brand new model and its price has already dropped. This $500 drop will hit resale values for owners and is a slap on the face for buyers who've carefully researched and negotiated a price as I did. I feel shafted by Panasonic and wonder if Clive Peeters had prior knowledge of this price drop.
As has been said it's standard practice.

The "negotiated" price won't drop by the same amount...so soon

I'd take CP to task and ask them to better the price given the price reduction or cancel your order and take your business to Myer, who seem to be leading with pricing for not just TV's but PVRs, DVDRs etc as well

But the reverse is that I have a really nice display at home, sometimes you just got to accept the deal you get.
That's right Dennis.

10 years ago, people would have little idea how good/bad their negotiated price was. Nowadays with Forums like this, people often feel jibbed because they didn't get the absolute best price. As long as you are happy when you bought it

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So is it:

  • just yours?
  • this first batch?
  • all Panasonic plasmas?

Regarding the glass being too far to the right, my (just received yesterday) 50G10 has this slight issue too :(.

The build date on mine is May 2009 if this matters.

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Someone on this forum claims to have paid around $2350 for their 50" G10. Do you think that is possible? Seems far fetched to me.

It's $3300 RRP. Expect at least 20% off RRP with very little haggling. So that's already $2650 or so. I reckon $2500 is quite possible.

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Regarding the glass being too far to the right, my (just received yesterday) 50G10 has this slight issue too :( .

The build date on mine is May 2009 if this matters.

Sorry to hear mate, hows the set in general?

I have found out why the black levels were ordinary on my B650, it was the HDMI setting on my PS3 that needed to be changed from limited to full.

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Just an update for Recusant:

I spoke to the manager at JB this morning and the Panasonic rep told him that a boat load of tellies should be hitting Australia today and they will have their stock next week. As this will be a different batch I will post my findings once I have my new set. :)

Dreamcazman I to am waiting on this boatload for my 50G10A so ill also see how mine is and post my findings. The aits been killing me.

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Hey mate, I am not talking about I don't have a bold to fit it to the wall mount. The screws and bold are fit perfect on the 1st Sammy(with the restart problem). And three of the screws fit in quite well for the second one, only one not fit. This is a manufacture fault by Samsung and it got nth to do with find a bold to fit it.

Fair enough, but why not get it replaced, it does not cost you anything.

What made you choose the Sammy in the first place, there must have been some reason, has that reason suddenly become invalid?

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Sorry to hear mate, hows the set in general?

I have found out why the black levels were ordinary on my B650, it was the HDMI setting on my PS3 that needed to be changed from limited to full.

I am happy with the G10A, it seems to be better than my CRT with light reflecting off the tv. I have windows directly behind my seating position and during the day light comes thru above the curtains (always closed) and shines on the tv. On my CRT an upside down arch could be seen on dark scenes, the plasma seems to cope much better with no such 'arch of light' on screen.

I dont have Bly ray but DVD at 576p looks quite good, I may buy a hdmi cable and try DVD upscaled in the player to 720p or 1080i. I think 720p might be the best result until I buy a Bly ray player.

Also I have 3 dead pixels, not visible from seating position but try are there nonetherless. I have emailed Panasonic but suspect that they will say it's within tolerance levels. I may go into Myer (place of purchase) and voice my issues with them too.

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I am happy with the G10A, it seems to be better than my CRT with light reflecting off the tv. I have windows directly behind my seating position and during the day light comes thru above the curtains (always closed) and shines on the tv. On my CRT an upside down arch could be seen on dark scenes, the plasma seems to cope much better with no such 'arch of light' on screen.

I dont have Bly ray but DVD at 576p looks quite good, I may buy a hdmi cable and try DVD upscaled in the player to 720p or 1080i. I think 720p might be the best result until I buy a Bly ray player.

Also I have 3 dead pixels, not visible from seating position but try are there nonetherless. I have emailed Panasonic but suspect that they will say it's within tolerance levels. I may go into Myer (place of purchase) and voice my issues with them too.

Good to hear regarding the reflections, as that and image retention are the things I hate the most about plasma's.

Dead pixels, bugger mate, thats not good at all. Thats pretty unlucky, I haven't heard of dead pixels with plasma's for a while. How common is it?

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Good to hear regarding the reflections, as that and image retention are the things I hate the most about plasma's.

Dead pixels, bugger mate, thats not good at all. Thats pretty unlucky, I haven't heard of dead pixels with plasma's for a while. How common is it?

There has been no sign of IR either.

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I am happy with the G10A, it seems to be better than my CRT with light reflecting off the tv. I have windows directly behind my seating position and during the day light comes thru above the curtains (always closed) and shines on the tv. On my CRT an upside down arch could be seen on dark scenes, the plasma seems to cope much better with no such 'arch of light' on screen.

I dont have Bly ray but DVD at 576p looks quite good, I may buy a hdmi cable and try DVD upscaled in the player to 720p or 1080i. I think 720p might be the best result until I buy a Bly ray player.

Also I have 3 dead pixels, not visible from seating position but try are there nonetherless. I have emailed Panasonic but suspect that they will say it's within tolerance levels. I may go into Myer (place of purchase) and voice my issues with them too.

I find your comments on the reflection particularly interesting as from the sound of it, When i get my new B650 or G10a it will be going into an enviroment very similar to yours.

Windows directly behind seating position and directly facing the screen. The blinds will always be closed but like you will have a strip across the top that will shine on the screen.

Initialy i had thought that i would get an LCD because of the issues this presents but after much reading and the going and having a look at them in the shops the other day ruled an LCD out as to me the picture quality looked by far inferior to the plasma's and i do not think i could look at that for extended periods of time and enjoy it.

Although i did not actually see a B650 instore only an A650 or 5 series to compare to the G10a.

But what i did notice the other day when i was out looking was that the Sammy's seemed to get reflection on the screen more easily than the Pana, But on the occasion i did see reflection on the Pana it seemd to flare the reflection out more or less all over the screen kind of like what happens on my Samsung LCD pc monitor. Where as the Samsungs seemed to me that when they did get reflection it was just a bar/stripe or whatever that stayed localised to where the reflection was striking the screen. Which makes me more inclined toward the Samsung than the Panasonic as if i am going to have to put up with reflection on the screen i would much rather have it just on localised parts of the screen than flaring all over it.

But i would be very interested to hear what your experiences are with how the G10a handles the reflection when it does get it?

I would also like to hear any opinions on whether or not the Samsung B650 handles reflection similarly to the A650 and the 5 series ( i should note that my observations the other day led me to the opinion that A650 handles the reflection in much the same way as the 5 series meaning just a straight reflection without flaring, but is less prone to reflection than the 5 series is.

I hope you get some joy trying to get the dead pixal issue sorted out. What a let down to get a new TV and then find it has dead pixals.

Regards

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But i would be very interested to hear what your experiences are with how the G10a handles the reflection when it does get it?

I would also like to hear any opinions on whether or not the Samsung B650 handles reflection similarly to the A650 and the 5 series ( i should note that my observations the other day led me to the opinion that A650 handles the reflection in much the same way as the 5 series meaning just a straight reflection without flaring, but is less prone to reflection than the 5 series is.

B550 = FilterBright

A650 = Ultra FilterBright

B650 = Ultra FilterBright

B850 = Ultra FilterBright Plus

Consider B550 to be similar to the G10a in terms of light handling.

Hence B650 should handle the light slightly better than B550/G10.

I have no idea if they improved it further over the A650 though.

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I find your comments on the reflection particularly interesting as from the sound of it, When i get my new B650 or G10a it will be going into an enviroment very similar to yours.

Windows directly behind seating position and directly facing the screen. The blinds will always be closed but like you will have a strip across the top that will shine on the screen.

Initialy i had thought that i would get an LCD because of the issues this presents but after much reading and the going and having a look at them in the shops the other day ruled an LCD out as to me the picture quality looked by far inferior to the plasma's and i do not think i could look at that for extended periods of time and enjoy it.

Although i did not actually see a B650 instore only an A650 or 5 series to compare to the G10a.

But what i did notice the other day when i was out looking was that the Sammy's seemed to get reflection on the screen more easily than the Pana, But on the occasion i did see reflection on the Pana it seemd to flare the reflection out more or less all over the screen kind of like what happens on my Samsung LCD pc monitor. Where as the Samsungs seemed to me that when they did get reflection it was just a bar/stripe or whatever that stayed localised to where the reflection was striking the screen. Which makes me more inclined toward the Samsung than the Panasonic as if i am going to have to put up with reflection on the screen i would much rather have it just on localised parts of the screen than flaring all over it.

But i would be very interested to hear what your experiences are with how the G10a handles the reflection when it does get it?

I would also like to hear any opinions on whether or not the Samsung B650 handles reflection similarly to the A650 and the 5 series ( i should note that my observations the other day led me to the opinion that A650 handles the reflection in much the same way as the 5 series meaning just a straight reflection without flaring, but is less prone to reflection than the 5 series is.

I hope you get some joy trying to get the dead pixal issue sorted out. What a let down to get a new TV and then find it has dead pixals.

Regards

grasshopper

The G10 is coping very well with the windows behind me and curtains closed. Much better than my CRT. With the tv off there is not much of a mirror effect, I can hardly see mysef in the reflection. So with it on it is very good in this regard.

The dead pixels is a bummer and I don't have much hope that Panasonic will exchange the tv with 3 pixels far apart from each other. I can't see them from my seating position but the fact that I know they are there bugs me.

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B550 = FilterBright

A650 = Ultra FilterBright

B650 = Ultra FilterBright

B850 = Ultra FilterBright Plus

Consider B550 to be similar to the G10a in terms of light handling.

Hence B650 should handle the light slightly better than B550/G10.

I have no idea if they improved it further over the A650 though.

The number of Samsung models - A & B from 450 upwards is mindboggling!

Is the A and B used to distunguish the filter technologies offered or is there more to it?

Either way, it seems Samsung stack the market with a glut of series and models, complicating buyer research and giving Samsung a bigger percentage overall of models on the market.

LCD, Plasma and LED...talk about having a bob each and every way!!

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The number of Samsung models - A & B from 450 upwards is mindboggling!

Is the A and B used to distunguish the filter technologies offered or is there more to it?

Either way, it seems Samsung stack the market with a glut of series and models, complicating buyer research and giving Samsung a bigger percentage overall of models on the market.

LCD, Plasma and LED...talk about having a bob each and every way!!

Not complicated at all once you know. Panasonic / Sony / LG are just as confusing. =P

A = 2008 or prior model

B = 2009 model

4/5/6/7/8/9 Series differentiates the feature & design. Generally higher the better.

4 = Usually non-Full HD models. (Similar to Panasonic X series)

5 = Budget Full HD with basic feature set. (Similar to Panasonic S series)

6 = Mainstream Full HD (Similar to Panasonic G series)

7/8/9 = More luxury versions with sleeker designs / better performance & more features. (Panasonic V series and higher)

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B550 = FilterBright

A650 = Ultra FilterBright

B650 = Ultra FilterBright

B850 = Ultra FilterBright Plus

Consider B550 to be similar to the G10a in terms of light handling.

Hence B650 should handle the light slightly better than B550/G10.

I have no idea if they improved it further over the A650 though.

Hi jakiman

Thanks for the quick reply.

I was thinking that the G10a's flaring the reflection may have been more to do with some sort of anti reflective coating on the glass rather than being due to the filters system.

However based on my own observations / comparisions between the A650 and the G10a and the info that yourself and others have kindly shared / provided, Regarding the differences between the A650 and the B650. I am thinking that for me the choice between the B650 and G10a will be a fairly easy choice. As i felt that the A650 had the edge over the G10a, So it seems logical to me that the B650 should have an even greater edge over the G10a than the A650 did.

But again thanks very much for your reply, info and thoughts.

Regards

grasshopper

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It has been really interesting reading about this showdown. I too am in the same as most of you have been in.

So far I'm almost certain I will buy the Panasonic this Saturday unless..

- the black levels in the Samsung. I'm a movie lover (like all of us) and I would be upset if the blacks weren't perfect. For me this will be the decision maker.

I would love to hear anyone who has the Samsung. After reading all 8 pages we haven't gone into much detail about the blacks and how noticable you find the darker scenes.

[edit] I want like to view an example of this "black level problem" as I'm not sure what this is. I have some idea but seeing for myself would be really helpful.

Thanks everyone for all your reviews so far, you have all made things so much easier and informative thus far.

Brent

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It has been really interesting reading about this showdown. I too am in the same as most of you have been in.

So far I'm almost certain I will buy the Panasonic this Saturday unless..

- the black levels in the Samsung. I'm a movie lover (like all of us) and I would be upset if the blacks weren't perfect. For me this will be the decision maker.

I would love to hear anyone who has the Samsung. After reading all 8 pages we haven't gone into much detail about the blacks and how noticable you find the darker scenes.

[edit] I want like to view an example of this "black level problem" as I'm not sure what this is. I have some idea but seeing for myself would be really helpful.

Thanks everyone for all your reviews so far, you have all made things so much easier and informative thus far.

Brent

Note, neither the Samsung nor Panasonic have perfect black. Both render a nice relatively deep shade of black (Samsung better in brighter conditions, Panasonic better in darker conditions). Please lower your expectations in regards to black, neither set is Kuro black.

But Kuro is not as affordable as the Samung or Panasonic either.

Swings and roundabouts :)

Dennis.

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Yep, if are expecting “perfect blacks” out of a Panasonic in a dark room you will be in for a BIG disappointment, all you will get is a slightly deeper shade of grey then a Samsung, and unless you had them side by side for comparison you are not likely to know the difference. Black level on the G9 Pioneer Kuro is so much lower it’s silly, at least 10 times darker then the Panasonic, even then the Kuro is not capable of black in a dark room.

If you want to watch movies in the dark you will find black levels on the Panasonics and Samsungs not real good (personally I find them unacceptable). If you use some bias lighting in the room to make the blacks look better the slight black level advantage of the Panasonic over the Samsung 650 and 850 is easily lost, so be careful with your choice.

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Thats fine. I need an example of what you mean.

Lets say a night scene with a street light on and a woman in a kitchen window with the light on. hehe

Are we talking about that black pixely look or is this just the colour. If the picture still looks great but the depth of black isnt as dark as others im sure my eyes will just get use to that.

I went to a friends house the other day who had an amazing 3m prjector in his theatre room. We watched the first Transformers movie and there were scenes where it was really dark with minimal light and my eyes picked up pixel looking blacks. The others seens looked twice as good as any movie theatre and was quite amazing. I still went home feeling blown away and wanting.. but tvs are different to projectors.

Hopefully Im confused with something entirely different though..

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No there are no “pixels”, black is simply very dark grey not black.

The projector system you looked was incapable of black as is film projected in a cinema.

True blacks make a very big difference to image depth and reality in dark scenes viewed in a dim or dark environment. Once you have seen what true blacks can do for an image you can never get used to second best. Unfortunately digital displays have a way to go in that area but the Pioneer Kuro is way out in front of the pack, which is why such a fuss is made over it.

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Hi all

Ok finally took the plunge yesterday and bought myself a Samsung Ps50B650. (yay) Should fingers crossed be delivered on Wednesday. :D

So now im starting to think about the setting up etc, Now obviously the factory default setting for brightness, contrast etc, usually are not that great. And also obvously the ideal setting for these things are different for each individual. But my question is where is a good place to start with these setting especially for the initial burn in period 1-2 hundred hours?

Also any other tips or traps i should be aware of before setting it up would be greatfully received.

TIA

Regards

grasshopper

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