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Anyone have any thoughts on the 58" sammy?

I know someone who was thinking of getting the 50" Panasonic, but they have been told the 58" Samsung would be of similar PQ and have the obvious benifits of being bigger????

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I have researched the Sammy's and Pana's quite extensively over at AVS.

In short, the Pana G10 range in Aus will not have THX mode which is the main additional feature over the cheaper S1 series. Colour accuracy and management is not as good as Samsungs. Blacks are supposedly marginally better on the Pana's but this in my own side by side comparison of G10 and other panels (excluding Samsung B series) at Myer was very difficult to see. The Samsungs should be more affordable and you can get a 1.2" thick panel for the same kind of price as the 5" thick Pana's. You can also get a larger screen size for less dollars from Samsung.

Samsung do have poorer customer service but not by much. The warranty on both are now down to 1 year. Pana's have probably got a marginally better reputation in terms of product quality and longevity.

As prices for the 54S1 and 50G10 are not well established and a bit on the high side at present, it seems like the Sammy's offer a bit more bang for your buck right now. Either product would not disappoint most buyers so you cant really go wrong with these.

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I'm actually leaning towards the Samsung PS58B650 plasma over the new G10 or V10 for a few reasons.

1. The Sammy has more picture adjustments than the Panasonics

2. The colours are said to be more accurate on the Sammy

3. The Sammy handles ambient lighting better than the Panasonics.

4. Doubt I'll be able to afford a 58" Panasonic.

The Panasonic is said to have much better speakers and slightly better black level so I'll have to weigh everything up upon inspection when all the models have landed but the Samsung PS58B650 is at the top of my list right now.

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I'm actually leaning towards the Samsung PS58B650 plasma over the new G10 or V10 for a few reasons.

1. The Sammy has more picture adjustments than the Panasonics

2. The colours are said to be more accurate on the Sammy

3. The Sammy handles ambient lighting better than the Panasonics.

4. Doubt I'll be able to afford a 58" Panasonic.

The Panasonic is said to have much better speakers and slightly better black level so I'll have to weigh everything up upon inspection when all the models have landed but the Samsung PS58B650 is at the top of my list right now.

I'm going for the Samsung for pretty much the same reasons as you.

Are there any AU prices for 650 yet?

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It doesnt look like we are getting the 58B650 here, you will have to choose between the 58B550 and 58B850 or 63B680 or go down to the 50B650.

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It doesnt look like we are getting the 58B650 here, you will have to choose between the 58B550 and 58B850 or 63B680 or go down to the 50B650.

Yes I noticed that the 58B650 is missing from the Samsung Australia website, it's a shame because I'm sure the 58B850 will costs heaps more and the 58B550 misses out on important features like cinema smooth.

Personally I am interested in the 50B650 and a Ht projector combo.

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it's a shame because I'm sure the 58B850 will costs heaps more and the 58B550 misses out on important features like cinema smooth.

About $1K at the moment, not sure if that differential will shrink?

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Yes I noticed that the 58B650 is missing from the Samsung Australia website, it's a shame because I'm sure the 58B850 will costs heaps more and the 58B550 misses out on important features like cinema smooth.

Personally I am interested in the 50B650 and a Ht projector combo.

What is the main differences between the 550 and 650?

What is that cinema smooth?

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It doesnt look like we are getting the 58B650 here, you will have to choose between the 58B550 and 58B850 or 63B680 or go down to the 50B650.

I didn't notice that before. I just assumed that there was going to be a PS58B650 to succeed the PS58A650.

I just phoned Samsung and the rep said it's possible a PS58B650 might still turn up later in the year but he can't say for sure though.

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What is the main differences between the 550 and 650?

What is that cinema smooth?

Someone else could answer this better than me but I think it is an important feature when viewing blu-ray films in 24p, eliminates any juddering.

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Someone else could answer this better than me but I think it is an important feature when viewing blu-ray films in 24p, eliminates any juddering.

Thats about it. However, some people might argue that they dont mind watching the same judder evident when watching DVD and as such the feature is not all that worthwhile. Judder is a flaw and to have it removed is an improvement that we should strive for.

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Someone else could answer this better than me but I think it is an important feature when viewing blu-ray films in 24p, eliminates any juddering.

Yeah, I don't really know either. I'll confess, i've only actually watched one blu-ray. This is how I understand it thought:

Blu-Ray (and cinema film) are generaly 24 frames per second (23.937 actually). Most blu-ray players can output at 24p, but most tv's do not actuallu present 24 frames per second. It's usually more like 60 (60hz). What tv's then do is try to present a ratio of frames to make it fit the 24 frames per second, using something called 'pulldown'. The most common is 3:2 pulldown; what the TV does is present 1 frame 3 times, then the next frame 2 times and so on, thus allowing it to present the 24 frames per second on disc as 60 frames per second. There are many other types of pull-down (2:3:2 etc.), but what cinema smooth is a frame rate that is directly divisble by 24 (120 hz). So it displays each frame of 24p source material 5 times, resulting in an accurate flow of frames.

there are better explanations out there, but that's how I understand it. I hope the issue of judder without Cinema Smooth isn't too much of an issue, as it looks like I can't afford a 58" sammy with it.

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Someone else could answer this better than me but I think it is an important feature when viewing blu-ray films in 24p, eliminates any juddering.

Cheers.

Does the Panasonic TH-P50G10A have this feature?

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I'm going for the Samsung for pretty much the same reasons as you.

Are there any AU prices for 650 yet?

I too am looking at the PS50B650 for my every day TV.

Was considering the LCD Series 7 46", but couldn't justify the additional $1k.

Got a pretty good deal through JB on the PS50B550 with a Tivo, just need to go back now and seal the deal with the upgrade to the B650 model.

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Cheers.

Does the Panasonic TH-P50G10A have this feature?

Well kinda, the G10 range do 24p at 48Hz which causes flicker that is unwatchable from most peoples comments. The V10 does 24p at 96hz which has no flicker but the cost of the V10 will be much higher, me thinks.

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Ah, I see.

This is more confusing than I thought.

So the 650B Samsungs are the ones to get.

So if it came down to getting a Samsung 50" 650B/750B/850B or a Samsung 58" 550B what would people get?

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Ah, I see.

This is more confusing than I thought.

So the 650B Samsungs are the ones to get.

So if it came down to getting a Samsung 50" 650B/750B/850B or a Samsung 58" 550B what would people get?

There is no perfect screen. The Pana's are flawed as are the Sammy's. The Pana 50V10 should be the best product technically, mentioned in this thread but the price may be too high. The Samsungs have some minor issues too, such as buzzing on some panels, and more Image Retention for gamers than the Pana's. Slightly lower black levels too but not enough to worry about.

The choice you indicate above is a very difficult one, but the 50B850 is the best screen above, the 50B650 may be the best bang-for-buck but the 58B550 offers more real estate - this is a tough choice. Go the 50B650 if you can score it for less than $2.5K would be my suggestion.

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There is no perfect screen. The Pana's are flawed as are the Sammy's. The Pana 50V10 should be the best product technically, mentioned in this thread but the price may be too high. The Samsungs have some minor issues too, such as buzzing on some panels, and more Image Retention for gamers than the Pana's. Slightly lower black levels too but not enough to worry about.

The choice you indicate above is a very difficult one, but the 50B850 is the best screen above, the 50B650 may be the best bang-for-buck but the 58B550 offers more real estate - this is a tough choice. Go the 50B650 if you can score it for less than $2.5K would be my suggestion.

Thanks for the advice, you have been very helpful.

Have you got a good link that describes the differences between the 550/650/750/850 (sorry to ask too much ??)

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Yes I noticed that the 58B650 is missing from the Samsung Australia website, it's a shame because I'm sure the 58B850 will costs heaps more and the 58B550 misses out on important features like cinema smooth....

Looks like there is also a dynamic contrast difference,

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/...=PN58B650S1FXZA

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/...=PN58B550T2FXZA

This could explain what I read recently in another forum where someone said that the '650 and '850/'860 range had the "Ultra" Filter Bright screen whereas the '550/'560 just had the Filter Bright screen. Something like that anyway.

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Thanks for the advice, you have been very helpful.

Have you got a good link that describes the differences between the 550/650/750/850 (sorry to ask too much ??)

Use the compare button on the Samsung website.

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Yes the B650 Samsung has a better screen filter, unfortunately none of the Panasonics have this valuable feature which means that the Panasonics are outperformed in anything except a very dim or dark room.

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Yes the B650 Samsung has a better screen filter, unfortunately none of the Panasonics have this valuable feature which means that the Panasonics are outperformed in anything except a very dim or dark room.

Hi Owen,

What are your thoughts on the 58" 550B samsung vs 50" 850B samsung.

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Ive had the 58inch (PS58A650) for 6 months now and LOVE it. Ive compared apples with apples for ages and went with the 58inch (PS58A650) and havent looked back.

I saw that model (the ps50a650 actually) just before Xmas at Kambo's Retravision in Malaga and was very impressed with it.

I remember asking myself, "why is everyone here always talking about the Pana PZ80 and PZ800 (which were there too) when the ps50a650's picture seems to have more "pop" ?

That got me to consider Samsung even though the big story that took my interest then was with Panasonic's upcoming "Neo" plasma range at CES 2009. The other main story was LED panels but I wasn't that interested about them.

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There is no perfect screen. The Pana's are flawed as are the Sammy's. The Pana 50V10 should be the best product technically, mentioned in this thread but the price may be too high. The Samsungs have some minor issues too, such as buzzing on some panels, and more Image Retention for gamers than the Pana's. Slightly lower black levels too but not enough to worry about.

The choice you indicate above is a very difficult one, but the 50B850 is the best screen above, the 50B650 may be the best bang-for-buck but the 58B550 offers more real estate - this is a tough choice. Go the 50B650 if you can score it for less than $2.5K would be my suggestion.

Ok, I have narrowed it down to the Samsung 50" 650B or 850B.

I think from the spec's the 850 has higher static contrast?

Some fancy processing engine for the 850 that the 650 doesn't have?

Seems like its mainly cosmetic changes between the 650-850 ?

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Hi Owen,

What are your thoughts on the 58" 550B samsung vs 50" 850B samsung.

I'm actually considering a '550 too now since the '650 may not turn up and I came across this info this morning.

Btw, from what I have read the Aus '850 and the UK '850 are the same as the U.S '860 but I haven't confirmed it yet.

Going with the 550 instead of the 860 you lose Cinema Smooth, you get standard Filterbright anti-glare coating vs the Ultra Filterbright Plus, you get 2,000,000,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio and Wide Color Enhancer 2 vs 3,000,000,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio and Wide Color Enhancer 3. You get a black frame and stand with gray touch of color vs black/clear/chrome frame and brushed stainless stand. Same number of HDMI ports. One USB port with no video capability vs 2 USB ports with video capability. Also you get no PIP with the 550, it's about 2 inches thicker than the 860 and I believe it's been said (not 100% sure on this one) that is has 2 sheets of glass vs single sheet.

As for basic picture quality, everything else is going to be the same. 600Mhz subfield processing and .001ms pixel response time so as for sports channels the motion handling will be the same as the 860.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....43#post16569143

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If there was $600 difference between the 50" 650 and the 50" 850 would you pay the difference ?

I don't think I would. I could put that $600 towards a nice PVR or a new AV Receiver.

If I was looking at a 50" then I would likely settle for the ps50b650 instead of the ps50b850.

The spec's are very similar and the '850 is very thin. Thickness of a panel is not a priority for me.

The differences in spec that I can see are,

1. Ultra Filterbright Plus versus Ultra Filterbright. (still better than just Filterbright on the '550)

2. Speakers, 2 x 15W versus 2 x10W.

I wouldn't be able to finally decide though until I got to see and hear all of them first.

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I don't think I would. I could put that $600 towards a nice PVR or a new AV Receiver.

If I was looking at a 50" then I would likely settle for the ps50b650 instead of the ps50b850.

The spec's are very similar and the '850 is very thin. Thickness of a panel is not a priority for me.

The differences in spec that I can see are,

1. Ultra Filterbright Plus versus Ultra Filterbright. (still better than just Filterbright on the '550)

2. Speakers, 2 x 15W versus 2 x10W.

I wouldn't be able to finally decide though until I got to see and hear all of them first.

I think the other thing I saw was:

Picture Engine SAMSUNG Crystal FHD Engine (850 has it 650 doesnt)

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I think the other thing I saw was:

Picture Engine SAMSUNG Crystal FHD Engine (850 has it 650 doesnt)

Anyone have any thoughts on this feature ?

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The '650 does have it. I have the Samsung Plasma Full Spec Sheet now.

I put it up at megashare.

http://d01.megashares.com/dl/bccd25e/Samsu...pec%20Sheet.xls

Ah, thanks.

Samsungs compare feature says that the 850 has it but the 650 doesn't

So basically its $600 for cosmetic differences and better glare protection. ????

Makes it hard to justify the extra $600

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Ah, thanks.

Samsungs compare feature says that the 850 has it but the 650 doesn't

So basically its $600 for cosmetic differences and better glare protection. ????

Makes it hard to justify the extra $600

Yep, thats the size of it.

Note that the filter on the Samsung screens is NOT there to prevent the mirror like reflections from the smooth glass surface, only a mat finish with help there, it is to help prevent ambient light illuminating the grey phosphor layer of the underlying panel, which gives the screen a grey appearance under ambient light.

Look at a Samsung next to a Panasonic when both are switched off and the difference in obvious.

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Yep, thats the size of it.

Note that the filter on the Samsung screens is NOT there to prevent the mirror like reflections from the smooth glass surface, only a mat finish with help there, it is to help prevent ambient light illuminating the grey phosphor layer of the underlying panel, which gives the screen a grey appearance under ambient light.

Look at a Samsung next to a Panasonic when both are switched off and the difference in obvious.

Thanks again owen.

Cheers.

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I just got the Samsung PS58B550. $3700 shipped yesterday.

But they didn't have it in stock. So they let me have the LA55B650 LCD until the PS58B550 arrives in 3-4 weeks time. (Or i can stay with LA55B650 if I want for no extra cost)

(Once the PS58B550 arrives, I swap it with the LA55B650 and they will use the LA55B650 as a display model)

I can't wait to actually try both out. I'll see if the media2.0 feature is someting useful.

But ultimately, I think I'll go with the PS58B550 as I like the gray design more and it's 3 inches bigger. =)

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I just got the Samsung PS58B550. $3700 shipped yesterday.

But they didn't have it in stock. So they let me have the LA55B650 LCD until the PS58B550 arrives in 3-4 weeks time. (Or i can stay with LA55B650 if I want for no extra cost)

(Once the PS58B550 arrives, I swap it with the LA55B650 and they will use the LA55B650 as a display model)

I can't wait to actually try both out. I'll see if the media2.0 feature is someting useful.

But ultimately, I think I'll go with the PS58B550 as I like the gray design more and it's 3 inches bigger. =)

Where did you get it from Jakiman, I cant find one in Adelaide anywhere?

Oh, and what is the sticker prices on these new tv's?

Cheers mate

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Where did you get it from Jakiman, I cant find one in Adelaide anywhere?

Oh, and what is the sticker prices on these new tv's?

No one had it in stock here in Sydney either. So I got it ordered

I got mine through Myer. But I'm sure David Jones would have done the same.

Bing Lee offered me $4100 for the PS58B550 under finance.

RRP price for LA55B650 is $4699 and PS58B550 is $4299.

http://www.gadgetguy.com.au/samsung-s-2009...e-6455-101.html

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Yes the B650 Samsung has a better screen filter, unfortunately none of the Panasonics have this valuable feature which means that the Panasonics are outperformed in anything except a very dim or dark room.

Hi Owen, I really value your observations and opinions and I was wondering if you know if this tv has all the necessary adjustments available to get a good picture, unlike the Pannas?

I am now seriously considering this tv if there is not going to be a 58'' 650 released.

Sounds good value for money if you can get it for $3700, the C509 Pioneer is around that money also, (another model I am looking at) so in your opinion, are there any features on the 50B650 that are a "must have" that makes it better value than the B550?

I dont even know what the street price is on the 50B650 is, if its 1K less maybe thats the better option? (missing out on a lot of screen size though!)

Thanks

Wags

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