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Who sais its the highest quailty? The price? LOL. Again it doesnt do anything better than a TV 1/3rd the price. That phrase that comes to mind is more money than sense.

I'll only bother to reply to your last comment.

There is no real debate about the quality of the 9th generation Pioneers. Almost everyone who knows anything about this agree that it is the best quality plasma.

This does not mean that everyone is able to notice the quality. (Most such people are happy to accept that those who are concerned about quality can notice a difference.)

And it does not mean that those who can see the quality think that the Pioneer justifies the price.

But, apart from MrMan, the quality of the 9th generation Pioneers is undisputed.

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Every year This is the last year Pioneer release new models and but in the past, every year we go through this argument. People who want the best and can afford it will always pay the required price to get that technology.

If you can't justify it, be happy with your own purchase...but don't judge others on your values and beliefs

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Drawing comparisons between Cars & Tv's is a bit ridiculous. Of course a BMW, Audi , Lexus etc is going to have signifanct inprovemenyts over a 14k Kia. If for nothing else the lifespan/longevity of it. A 10k TV does not have anything a 3.5k TV doesnt plus it certainly doesnt do anything better to the tune of 6.5k.

Why is the analogy ridicules? A $50k car has most if not all of the features of a $200k model and does the same job, why would anyone be stupid enough to pay four times the price if there is nothing to be gained?

You may think a 60” Pioneer is not better then a $3.5k TV, that’s fine know one is forcing you to, however to say that there is no difference IS ridiculous.

Everyone makes their quality-value judgments, you have made yours.

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MrMan,

Your shopping out of your depth, Aldi is best for you, Konic TV's, Xiawa HiFi and Daewoo for the finest in motoring pleasure...off you go...maybe get an education...this will lead to a better job than driving a forklift at the Linfox warehouse, maybe then you'll start earning enough money to appease your jealousy of those who made an effort and believe they deserve better and want to enjoy the rewards effort brings!!

I own a LX508a and once you've had Kuro you would never never go back!

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So just a note to all retailers out there:

I'm in the market for a NEW LX-509A and am prepared to part with $2,500.

Of course the warranty is now...only 6 months right..if that?

Pioneer shut up shop.

You can contact me on this site.

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So just a note to all retailers out there:

I'm in the market for a NEW LX-509A and am prepared to part with $2,500.

Of course the warranty is now...only 6 months right..if that?

Pioneer shut up shop.

You can contact me on this site.

I'll raise this offer to $2900!

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So just a note to all retailers out there:

I'm in the market for a NEW LX-509A and am prepared to part with $2,500.

Of course the warranty is now...only 6 months right..if that?

Pioneer shut up shop.

You can contact me on this site.

Plant, you are such a nice guy offering to take that big awful TV off those retailers hands.

LOL, love the BS spin about the warranty too.

I'm sure if you offer just under 2K, then they would be "prepared" to throw in free delivery. :lol:

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What makes this even funiier is that you are serious :lol:

Sounds very reasonable to me. Once Panasonic release the NeoPDP's they won't even be able to GIVE the Pioneer's away even to the most fanatical Pioneer advocate .

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Sounds very reasonable to me. Once Panasonic release the NeoPDP's they won't even be able to GIVE the Pioneer's away even to the most fanatical Pioneer advocate .

Premature statement I think.

In response to "GIVE the Pioneer's away". Well that's unlikely because the 9th gen Kuro, if anything, will be a collector's item since no more (10th gen) after this one and probably no more shipments of current 9th gen after current orders are fulfiiled.

I think you'll find that the NeoPDPs with all the advances i.e. thinner, half the power consumption for the same brightness, etc. still does not have the black levels of the Kuro.

From what I've read on other forums the NeoPDPs also won't come cheap on release.

As another indicator, even the newly released in the US, Panasonic's new and very expensive Premier Plasma (Professional Series) is still a way off the current Kuro's blacks and PQ.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/pan...erColumnArea1.1

The only thing upcoming this year that would've been better than the 9th gen Kuro is the 10th gen Kuro.

I think we're still a couple of Panasonic releases away from the Kuro's PQ and black levels.

The Kuro is not for the budget conscious, it's for the consumer happy to spend the money for the best and nothing but the best.

Either that, or wait a year or two for the others to catch up.

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The word is that the new NEO Panasonics will have inferior blacks to the now old and superseded G8 Pioneer let alone the new G9, so discerning buyers will be happy to pay more for the Kuro.

The NEO PDP’s claim to fame is high brightness and lower power consumption, not better blacks. While these aspects of performance may interest the average buyer, I don’t expect Pioneer purchasers to be swayed.

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So just a note to all retailers out there:

I'm in the market for a NEW LX-509A and am prepared to part with $2,500.

Of course the warranty is now...only 6 months right..if that?

Pioneer shut up shop.

You can contact me on this site.

LOL.

Sounds like you've been smoking a bit of yourself.

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BD

Sorry , maybe im using the term "motion blur" incorrectly. What i see is when the back ground is static and people in the fore ground move horizontally , they blur and the faster they move the worse the effect

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Film cameras use a shutter speed of 1/48th of a second, anything other then slow movement is always blurred.

Video cameras can use faster shutter speeds, but only if enough light is available, it often isn’t.

Less then best deinterlacing of true interlaced video (from a video camera) will also result in motion blur.

Bandwidth limited compressed video suffers very significant motion blur for fast motion.

Big high resolution screens make the above sources of blur much more noticable

The blur you see on screen is the sum total of all blur in the source chain and the display, don’t be to quick to apportion all blur to the display alone.

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Film cameras use a shutter speed of 1/48th of a second, anything other then slow movement is always blurred.

Video cameras can use faster shutter speeds, but only if enough light is available, it often isn’t.

Less then best deinterlacing of true interlaced video (from a video camera) will also result in motion blur.

Bandwidth limited compressed video suffers very significant motion blur for fast motion.

Big high resolution screens make the above sources of blur much more noticable

The blur you see on screen is the sum total of all blur in the source chain and the display, don’t be to quick to apportion all blur to the display alone.

So how exactly is panasonic going to give us 1080 lines moving res?

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So just a note to all retailers out there:

I'm in the market for a NEW LX-509A and am prepared to part with $2,500.

Of course the warranty is now...only 6 months right..if that?

Pioneer shut up shop.

You can contact me on this site.

Don't hold your breath mate.

See : http://www.cnet.com.au/tvs/plasma/0,239035...39294960,00.htm

From the article:

The final, ninth generation Kuro has been on sale in Australia for several months, and Pioneer anticipates that stock will last until the end of the year.

However, Pioneer Australia's public relations manager Michael Broadhurst said he anticipates greater demand due to last night's announcement.

"People already know this is the best panel going around and they'll be keen to get one," Broadhurst said.

"We believe that demand for these panels will increase and as a result it will enable us to hold a higher price point rather than having to drop our prices," he added.

I tend to agree.

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...wonder where that leaves us IF 3yrs from now the panel gives out??...Do we get a refund?...I'd want a bloody OLED to replace this screen!

The only ones who can answer this is Pioneer. I doubt they'll be giving you a replacement panel, but maybe a refund of the value of the screen at the time it breaks down. There's no way of knowing, but i'd wouldn't think they'd just give you a full refund.

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So how exactly is panasonic going to give us 1080 lines moving res?

The panel may be good for 1080 lines moving res, but the source isn’t if it comes from a camera.

Like most people I expect you believe you can get 1920x1080 resolution video as well, sorry digital video does not work that way. All you can get is 1920x1080 pixels, which is not the same thing at all. A 1920x1080 pixel format cannot provide 1902x1080 visible resolution images unless the image was computer generated at exactly 1920x1080.

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The only ones who can answer this is Pioneer. I doubt they'll be giving you a replacement panel, but maybe a refund of the value of the screen at the time it breaks down. There's no way of knowing, but i'd wouldn't think they'd just give you a full refund.

No.

Pioneer don't have to answer to anyone, because the buck stops at the point of sale e.g. the contract you made was with Myer, not Pioneer.

If it can't be repaired or replaced, Myer would issue you with an equivalent replacement or money back.

A guy from the Dept of Fair Trading was on talkback radio the other day and was responding to callers' questions.

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Most likely Pioneer would tell you to go back to place of purchase and get a new screen of your choice (to what monetary value - unknown) and you get a new screen. Granted it's not a Pioneer, but you get a new TV with new warranty

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So I'd like to confirm and have it referenced link here that even though Pioneer out of business and Panasonic taking over(?)

Your current and future warranty with Pioneer will be valid with a non-existent company?

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So I'd like to confirm and have it referenced link here that even though Pioneer out of business and Panasonic taking over(?)

Your current and future warranty with Pioneer will be valid with a non-existent company?

"non-existent company" + "I'm in the market for a NEW LX-509A and am prepared to part with $2,500"

LOL

Mate, you really post some rubbish.

...but you're obviously good for a laugh and excellent as the forum clown.

Keep up the good work.

Pioneer have been around for a very, very long time

and TVs have never been their core business.

It has always been audio.

http://www.cnet.com.au/tvs/plasma/0,239035...39294960,00.htm

I remember as a kid (I'm in my 40s now), Pioneer was a household name for hi-fi,

and Panasonic, well, no-one had heard of Panasonic back then.

Not sure if it even existed.

You see, it was 'National' back when I was a kid, then it became 'National Panasonic', then later on we had just 'Panasonic'.

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So I'd like to confirm and have it referenced link here that even though Pioneer out of business and Panasonic taking over(?)

Your current and future warranty with Pioneer will be valid with a non-existent company?

Only the panel department is closing down, the other sections of Pioneer and the company as a whole are still very much in business. A simple search for news on the topic brings up dozens of articles ie

http://www.cnet.com.au/tvs/plasma/0,239035...39294929,00.htm

http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Real_Sound/Industry/K5X3A6G5

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I remember as a kid (I'm in my 40s now), Pioneer was a household name for hi-fi,

and Panasonic, well, no-one had heard of Panasonic back then.

Not sure if it even existed.

You see, it was 'National' back when I was a kid, then it became 'National Panasonic', then later on we had just 'Panasonic'.

i agree mate that PLANT is a clown, but Panasonic is hi-fi cause Pansonic is Technics, and well they make the best record players EVER.

http://www.panasonic.com.au/products/detai...m?objectID=1231

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Only the panel department is closing down, the other sections of Pioneer and the company as a whole are still very much in business. A simple search for news on the topic brings up dozens of articles ie

http://www.cnet.com.au/tvs/plasma/0,239035...39294929,00.htm

http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Real_Sound/Industry/K5X3A6G5

Appreciate the quick responses guys.

http://www.cnet.com.au/tvs/plasma/0,239035...39294960,00.htm

"However, Pioneer Australia's public relations manager Michael Broadhurst said he anticipates greater demand due to last night's announcement.

pull out of the television market would not affect the pricing of its plasma panels."

mmmmm what is the job descritption for a public relations manager? ha ha ha ha

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i agree mate that PLANT is a clown, but Panasonic is hi-fi cause Pansonic is Technics, and well they make the best record players EVER.

http://www.panasonic.com.au/products/detai...m?objectID=1231

Technics

Ahh..Yes.. of course.

I thought I missed something somewhere.

I remember the Technics SL1200 turntables were the DJs bees knees when I was a teenager.

..memories..

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