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Check this out:

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av/tvs/0...047336-1,00.htm

Notable features:

50-inch plasma TV (with integrated TV tuner)

1,920 x 1,080-pixel resolution

External media receiver

Optimum mode for auto A/V optimization

Enhanced audio subsystem using its reference EX-series speakers

18W x 2 stereo speakers

Onboard JPEG playback via USB

1080p24 input-ready

Kuro Link (HDMI-CEC)

Three HDMI 1.3 inputs

Availability: Now (Singapore), November (rest of Asia)

Price: S$8,999 (US$6,625.53)

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Availability: Now (Singapore), November (rest of Asia)

Price: S$8,999 (US$6,625.53)

Wow, considering RRP for the LX508 there was S$16k. What's up with that price? I doubt we'll see nearly half RRP of the LX508 here (RRP A$6k)

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From the article:

"More importantly, the cost to own these sleek 68mm-thick panels has nose-dived with prices starting at S$8,499 (US$6,257.41)--a 20 percent premium over other high-end 1080p plasmas and almost half the asking price of the G8 predecessors. "

Ok, half the price of the previous gen, but from what I gather, tvs in Singapore are way more expensive than Australia. So it might just be a correction local to Singapore and region and not Au.

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I will be popping to see the sets live, but all accounts at the launch yesterday were superb!

They had a Panny 850, a Sony Full HD LCD, the 508LX and the new Pioneer, the new set blew the rest away, this will be the last Pioneer only models before the Panny / Pioneer sets kick in.

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Does anyone know when the new Kuro's will hit the shelves? The guys in JB in Canberra have no idea.

I'll be looking to get a 509 sometime Feb/March.

I spoke to Pioneer yesterday and they are not sure. They are under the impression that it will be Feb 2009.

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Will get get the 5090 or the more professional UK KRP 500A version?

Singapore is getting the latter, and will be launched this Friday, I will try and pop into their Hi Fi show for a look

A review :

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/27/Pioneer...sma-Review.html

Hi Pete

Where is the Hi Fi show held in Singapore. Will take a look at this

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Park Royal Hotel 24-26th October

Kitchener Rd

SINGAPORE

The Pioneer trashes the rest by a significant margin, but the cost diference is also significant.

Were they selling at RRP our at special price for the 500A?

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I do not think that australia's price will be cheaper than singapore's. Our currency is now the same or lower than sin dollar and our gst is 10% compared to 7% in Singapore. And also overhead cost is a lot higher than singapore.

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This is the last of the true Pioneers before they OEM from Panny, will consider one next year when the prices stabilise.

Took the plunge and paid S$7,999 for 500A. They came with a free BD player LX51 worth S999 and HT system which I will give away and 2 years extended warranty

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Took the plunge and paid S$7,999 for 500A. They came with a free BD player LX51 worth S999 and HT system which I will give away and 2 years extended warranty

I notice in a lot of Pio reviews that "movie mode" is referred to as the most accurate setting for film content.. I've never been able to understand this. When I set my 508XDA to movie mode it looks distinctly "yellowish"..

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I notice in a lot of Pio reviews that "movie mode" is referred to as the most accurate setting for film content.. I've never been able to understand this. When I set my 508XDA to movie mode it looks distinctly "yellowish"..

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Movie Mode gives the closest to a ISF calibration for Greyscale linear response and gamma tracking. Nothing to do with film content.

Check this out for a better description.hdtv u.k. calibration

Depends on what Colourspace you are using.

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This is the last of the true Pioneers before they OEM from Panny, will consider one next year when the prices stabilise.

The G10 panels that will be made by Panasonic will be significantly better then the G9 Pioneer manufactured panels.

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How do you figure this out?

What do you base this on?

The G10 panels that will be made by Panasonic will be significantly better then the G9 Pioneer manufactured panels.
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According to Pioneer the G10 is supposed to have absolute blacks, be brighter, slimmer and use less power, they demoed such a panel at the 2008 CES.

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According to Pioneer the G10 is supposed to have absolute blacks, be brighter, slimmer and use less power, they demoed such a panel at the 2008 CES.

No, no, no -- Panasonic will never ever in the whole future of technology make a panel that's as good as the Pioneer G9, which will forever remain the pinnacle of the flatscreen art, the last good panel ever made.

Also, the worst, cheapest, most busted-arse piece of technology made in Japan will always be better than anything the rest of the world can come up with.

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Just as a heads up, a dealer I enquired about the Gen 9 panels called me today to tell me that the LX609A's will be arriving in Sydney next week.

Hopefully see one hit the west coast soon after. Told me a 9-10k street price which will need to be comfirmed.

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No, no, no -- Panasonic will never ever in the whole future of technology make a panel that's as good as the Pioneer G9, which will forever remain the pinnacle of the flatscreen art, the last good panel ever made.

Also, the worst, cheapest, most busted-arse piece of technology made in Japan will always be better than anything the rest of the world can come up with.

How do you figure this out?

What do you base this on?

IMO the current model Panasonics are a better panel than the Pioneers, also being that the G9's are not even released yet so how good they are remains to be seen.

Pioneers are over priced and over hyped as far as I am concerned and are far from being the last great panel ever made.

That is highly debatable unless you are talking about mass market local discount store brands only, some of the products being made in China and Malaysia recently have been in some cases better than the Japanese ones.

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No, no, no -- Panasonic will never ever in the whole future of technology make a panel that's as good as the Pioneer G9, which will forever remain the pinnacle of the flatscreen art, the last good panel ever made.

Also, the worst, cheapest, most busted-arse piece of technology made in Japan will always be better than anything the rest of the world can come up with.

That's sarcasm - yes?

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And Fujitsu just import Aircons advertised by retired cricketers these days.

Philips thrown in the towel here too unless you are after a razor.

As for Chinese you get what you pay for $9.99 a day or less.

You can get a Chinese Oil Rig for US$ 6000.00 per day including a crew.

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Lets ignore the trolls and keep this focussed on the new Pioneers. I reckon they will represent the pinnacle of plasmas for a while to come. Once value for money comes in with Panny OEM panels, we will get good but not great panels which will be much cheaper of course.

Oh, whoever said 9 G panels are not released??? What do you call the panels released in Singapore, UK, USA?

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There seems to be a misunderstanding, the G10 panels are Pioneer technology manufactured by Panasonic under a joint venture, they will be a significant step forward for Plasma. Pioneer have already demoed such technology and it is a significant improvement over G9, brighter, more power efficient, slimmer and with absolute blacks.

If you think G9 is the be all and end all of Plasma you will be in for some disappointment. Both G8 and G9 panels have significant limitations which will hopefully be addressed with G10.

The G10 Pioneer and possibly Panasonics version will be the first Plasmas to get my attention, G8 and G9 don’t cut it. I just hope they release the rumoured 80”- 85” model.

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And Fujitsu just import Aircons advertised by retired cricketers these days.

Philips thrown in the towel here too unless you are after a razor.

As for Chinese you get what you pay for $9.99 a day or less.

You can get a Chinese Oil Rig for US$ 6000.00 per day including a crew.

...and what a great Air-Con they are too, along with their great panels...

But what has Fujitsu panels or Fujitsu air conditioners got to do with the topic at hand?

FWIW though, the Philips panel was another panel IMO better than the Pioneer (their razors/shavers are also rather good :lol: )

Next time I want to hire some labour or invest in an Oil rig I will refer to your post :D

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Lets ignore the trolls and keep this focussed on the new Pioneers. I reckon they will represent the pinnacle of plasmas for a while to come. Once value for money comes in with Panny OEM panels, we will get good but not great panels which will be much cheaper of course.

Oh, whoever said 9 G panels are not released??? What do you call the panels released in Singapore, UK, USA?

They are not released in Australia yet.

Until they are, how good they are is all speculation.

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They are not speculation, if you read my posts, I have Seen them in action.

They are much better than the competition, and the 8 G panels.

They are not released in Australia yet.

Until they are, how good they are is all speculation.

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They are not speculation, if you read my posts, I have Seen them in action.

They are much better than the competition, and the 8 G panels.

Much better than the competition according to "you"...

Are you speaking for the rest of the country, or aren't they allowed their own opinion?

I have yet to see a Pioneer that I would purchase and that I would consider better that the brands I mentioned and furthermore I have never liked the Pioneers picture on any model they have released.

If you are happy to purchase one I am happy for you and happy viewing to you.

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That's sarcasm - yes?

Sorry everyone, yes that was 100% sarcasm. Not trolling, just a comment on some pretty common attitudes you read around here, like "I'd rather have a G9 Pio than a G10 because it's a REAL Pio" and "I'd rather have an old Pana than a new one because some of the new ones are made in China".

I don't share either of these positions.

(I have a new made-in-China Pana which I like slightly more than my last-gen made-in-Japan Pio).

Of course panels will continue to get better. I think the consequence of the Pio/Pana deal isn't that Pios won't be as good but that the gap between Pio and everyone else will shrink. We're already seeing this happening of course and the manufacturing JV will inevitably have a positive impact on the Pana range.

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Sorry everyone, yes that was 100% sarcasm. Not trolling, just a comment on some pretty common attitudes you read around here, like "I'd rather have a G9 Pio than a G10 because it's a REAL Pio" and "I'd rather have an old Pana than a new one because some of the new ones are made in China".

I don't share either of these positions.

(I have a new made-in-China Pana which I like slightly more than my last-gen made-in-Japan Pio).

Of course panels will continue to get better. I think the consequence of the Pio/Pana deal isn't that Pios won't be as good but that the gap between Pio and everyone else will shrink. We're already seeing this happening of course and the manufacturing JV will inevitably have a positive impact on the Pana range.

No need to apoligize, I agree with your posts (and your sarcasm :lol: ) and your input is just as valid as anyone elses on here.

Probably more factual than most actually...

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Please... go to your Panasonic, Fujitsu or whatever brands you prefer, this thread is meant to discuss Pioneers, and those who are waiting for it to arrive on Oz shores.

I am sure you can continue bashing Pioneers somewhere else.

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Please... go to your Panasonic, Fujitsu or whatever brands you prefer, this thread is meant to discuss Pioneers, and those who are waiting for it to arrive on Oz shores.

I am sure you can continue bashing Pioneers somewhere else.

I'm only talking about Panasonic in the context of Pioneer, it's difficult to discuss Pioneer without reference to Panasonic given the joint venture that is about to start producing panels. I am very interested in the 9G Pios when they arrive and even more interested in the 10Gs.

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It does not matter how good a plasma is, burn in is still a big issue for me. Plasma panels need constant attention and caring otherwise you'll get "burn in" issue. When will this so called "burn in" be elminated from plasma panels.

David

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There seems to be a misunderstanding, the G10 panels are Pioneer technology manufactured by Panasonic under a joint venture, they will be a significant step forward for Plasma. Pioneer have already demoed such technology and it is a significant improvement over G9, brighter, more power efficient, slimmer and with absolute blacks.

If you think G9 is the be all and end all of Plasma you will be in for some disappointment. Both G8 and G9 panels have significant limitations which will hopefully be addressed with G10.

The G10 Pioneer and possibly Panasonics version will be the first Plasmas to get my attention, G8 and G9 don't cut it. I just hope they release the rumoured 80"- 85" model.

Owen, just a quick question in the hope that you might know the answer. My wife and I may have stupidly sensitive eyes but we see a rainbow like effect in plasmas in some scenes, flashes of yellow, green and tinges of red. I did some research and found that its phosphor lag. I know that plasma's are very different to CRT's but I don't see any such effect with CRT's. My main question is - will I see this with every plasma? Will some be better than others? The Pioneer G8 Kuro's have horrible motion / judder to me, and for me easy to see phosphor lag. Will the G9 or G10's be any different with regards to the phosphor lag?

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