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actually i just realised with all this price matching hoohaah most stores dont have to honour the price match to a receipt as their store policies are: 'price matching an advertised price' as i saw some on mention it earlier i think Officeworks, HN, DSE and GG do it ..... so really it is to there descretion if they are to price match it. Saying that though descretion never hurt anyone, neither did a smile :)

some of the comments here are real funny though :lol: some people are unbelievably wound up( Basil: buying and sellings things @ a cost price dont pay the bill and the wages, the money has to come from somewhere.... unless they have money trees :o )

oh and question are all pana's made in china now? even the LCD'S?

Deukp, do you know what COST PRICE means, please explain if you do.

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cost price to my knowledge is price of purchase+overheads of stock coming in, some places may include other overheads but for most business i dont think this is factored in due to the large amount of products a store would hold. Cost would not factor in, any rebates or kick-backs as this can only happen if the stock is sold.

The point im making is that the world doesnt run on selling things at the base price otherwise we'd still be in the stone age. Its fine when you get a good price like a really good price and its great when people find a bargain and share it, but i dont like it when others complain that they couldnt get the same result and **** and moan about it. If you want something buy it, even if it is a bit more, no point crying over spilt milk.There my daily rant.done. ^_^

of course i could be wrong :lol:

If i am boohoo. :)

oh and Basil: panasonic is going to make oled? thats awesome :D

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I think sales people should get paid a higher hourly wage with less emphasis on commissions. That way the salesman is less inclined to rip me off by $300 just to put an extra $30 in his pocket, while the boss gets $270.

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If a salesperson gets a fixed salary and there is less emphasis on commissions, how is the store going to meet the insanely high sales targets set by the top bosses, who in turn are under pressure from the ever-hungry stock market investors to deliver stunning results in an economic recession ?

"Feed your greed" is the name of the game but it backfires sometimes. The shareholders demand massive profits (for higher dividends), the CEO orders everyone to smash sales targets while retaining margins, the store managers (irrespective of whether they are franchisees or just employees) order their salesmen (under threat of dismissal) to suck the blood out of the next customer who walks in and by a coincidence, the next Joe walking in is one of the shareholders. Ouch !

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If a salesperson gets a fixed salary and there is less emphasis on commissions, how is the store going to meet the insanely high sales targets set by the top bosses, who in turn are under pressure from the ever-hungry stock market investors to deliver stunning results in an economic recession ?

If they are a decent quality employee they should still sell just as hard. I worked as a retail trainee for $6.50/hour , put the effort in and still sold a crapload, my colleague did the same with no commission involved. In fact it was the ones on commissions that performed worse because their retainer wasn't generous enough.

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If they are a decent quality employee they should still sell just as hard. I worked as a retail trainee for $6.50/hour , put the effort in and still sold a crapload, my colleague did the same with no commission involved. In fact it was the ones on commissions that performed worse because their retainer wasn't generous enough.

Those days are gone. Now, most stores either have Gen Y slackers/disinterested overseas students working on sales. All they want is some cash to fund their partying lifestyle/uni fees.

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I love being threatened with ACCC or "a current affair" on pricing. It's hilarious.

ACCC couldn't give a crap about pricing and price-matching policy, just as long as items aren't sold over MRP (maximum retail price). Honestly, i've seen more cases where ACCC has sided with the shop, as opposed to the customer. (Truth be told, buyers are liars, and the ACCC knows this, and sides with the shop until absolutely proven otherwise.)

www.notalwaysright.com - the truth is found here.

Dogga, ACCC action would not be predicated on a refusal to price match, which is completely within the rights of a retailer - they can sell at what ever they think the suckers, I mean the market, will bear. The ACCC would however be very interested in misleading and deceptive conduct as detailed within Section 52 of the Trades Practises Act. Most of the retailers run a very fine line - all positioning themselves as price leaders, pointing to price match policies and whacking words like "guarantee" on official looking logos/stamps. Look closely though, and the fine copy has more escape routes than a French village in WW2. Essentially, consumers are being led to believe one thing, the reality being somewhat different. Misleading? Probably. Deceptive? Somewhat short of this according to legal thought, which is why the ACCC stays out of it.

Dogga, blame your head office marketing team for bargain hunters interpreting price matching 'guarantees' in good faith and bothering you... switch to a specialist not a psuedo-discounter if you dont like it.

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Those days are gone. Now, most stores either have Gen Y slackers/disinterested overseas students working on sales. All they want is some cash to fund their partying lifestyle/uni fees.

Myer are pretty good, I reckon they get paid more because they don't get all pissy when I ask for a low price. They just keep their cool and see what they can do, very professional and not the slightest bit aggressive. Most of the other stores I've been to (JB, GG, HN etc.) are basically as you have described.

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Look closely though, and the fine copy has more escape routes than a French village in WW2.

Here's HN's price policy -

The Harvey Norman Price Promise offer is made, subject to these terms and conditions, by each Harvey Norman Franchisee ("Relevant Franchisee") which sells a product ("Relevant Product") to a person ("Customer") during the period commencing 1 July 2008 and ending on the first to occur of 30 June 2009 or such earlier date as Yoogalu Pty Limited trading as Harvey Norman may determine (the "Term").

If, within thirty (30) days after the purchase by the Customer of the Relevant Product from the Relevant Franchisee ("Relevant Purchase"), the Customer delivers to the Relevant Franchisee a copy of an advertisement broadcast on commercial radio, telecast on commercial television or published in a daily newspaper (other than in the classified section) by a local competitor of the Relevant Franchisee ("Competitor") within thirty (30) days after the Relevant Purchase, by which the Competitor offered the unconditional sale and immediate delivery to the public of a product identical to the Relevant Product ("Competitor Product"), during the Term, for an unconditional advertised cash price ("Competitor Price"), which is less than the price paid by the Customer to the Relevant Franchisee for the Relevant Product after all allowances, rebates and discounts ("Harvey Norman Franchisee's Price"), then the Relevant Franchisee will pay to the Customer an amount equivalent to 110% of the Difference between the Competitor Price and the Harvey Norman Franchisee's Price.

The Customer cannot accept the Harvey Norman Price Promise offer:

more than once in relation to a Relevant Purchase; or

if the Competitor Price is conditional, or a price determined after the allowance of any amount for, or is part of a promotion involving, financing, installation, delivery, rebates, cash back offer, free or bonus offer, trade discount, stock clearance or any limited quantity promotion; or

if the Customer cannot prove to the reasonable satisfaction of the Relevant Franchisee that the Competitor could, on the date of the Relevant Purchase, supply the Competitor Product to the Relevant Franchisee out of stock on hand of the Competitor at the retail premises of the Competitor.

The major escape clauses here are "limited quantity promotion, stock clearance, trade discount" and "if the customer cannot prove to the reasonable satisfaction of the franchisee that the competitor could supply the product".

The second escape clause is the simplest - the franchisee simply stands firm saying that "you cannot prove it to my satisfaction".

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Lol welldone. come and join us DSE staff.

they just rang me and said if they can call the store who issued the price they gona match it. why you need to call the store, it's your own franchise(north parramatha dse)..

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Lol welldone. come and join us DSE staff.

they just rang me and said if they can call the store who issued the price they gona match it. why you need to call the store, it's your own franchise(north parramatha dse)..

Most DSE stores aren't franchisees - they're owned and operated by Woolies. You can go into one store and if they don't have an item in stock, they can view the inventories for any other store in the city.

They may also be able to query sales receipts because you can buy an item from one store and return it elsewhere i.e. enter the receipt number as if you're processing a refund and get the details of the sale.

Even then, if they want to be 100% certain, pick up the damned phone and dial a number. What's all this about "IF" they can call the store ?

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Has anyone in PERTH done better than $1800 for this tv?

I did the rounds on Saturday arvo (all retailers in Osborne Park).

No-one was interested in matching $1531 because they will only match Perth prices.

Myer Karrinyup were very professional and quoted $1800 including delivery (but no stock at present).

Rick Hart also $1800 for cash, at least they have stock.

Please post a receipt if you have done better, or post details of store & salesman.

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Has anyone in PERTH done better than $1800 for this tv?

I did the rounds on Saturday arvo (all retailers in Osborne Park).

No-one was interested in matching $1531 because they will only match Perth prices.

Myer Karrinyup were very professional and quoted $1800 including delivery (but no stock at present).

Rick Hart also $1800 for cash, at least they have stock.

Please post a receipt if you have done better, or post details of store & salesman.

I also can hardly get this 1531 price from many stores. When I asked "if i can get the TV by around 1600?", nobody wanted to keep talking with me even I said I want to make the deal right now by cash!

The best price I got so far is from Myer, 1899 including total 5 yrs warranty or 1749 with 1yr warranty. HN can match that but they were not really interested in the deal. BingLee didn't believe it's the price from Myer except they see the invoice. PowerHouse told me I really should go with that deal ~~~

1899 is basically 1539$ cost +360$ warranty.

What do you think if it's a good deal? I may go with it if they can throw delivery in (or maybe plus a SPDIF cable).

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I also can hardly get this 1531 price from many stores. When I asked "if i can get the TV by around 1600?", nobody wanted to keep talking with me even I said I want to make the deal right now by cash!

The best price I got so far is from Myer, 1899 including total 5 yrs warranty or 1749 with 1yr warranty. HN can match that but they were not really interested in the deal. BingLee didn't believe it's the price from Myer except they see the invoice. PowerHouse told me I really should go with that deal ~~~

1899 is basically 1539$ cost +360$ warranty.

What do you think if it's a good deal? I may go with it if they can throw delivery in (or maybe plus a SPDIF cable).

If it's $1899 with a 5 year warranty and $1749 with the base warranty, it's only $150 more for a 4-year warranty extension, which is very cheap when you consider some of the insane quotes Myer gives for extended warranties. Goes to show that it's a highly negotiable item (more than the panel anyway).

If you're prepared to wait patiently for stocks to build up and desperation to set in, then a lower price could well be achievable. Otherwise $1899 is average (doesn't have the same ring to it as $1531, does it ?)

BTW which Myer was this ? Eastgardens may be a bit more keen to notch up sales, since they replaced a non-profitable David Jones and missed the X'mas/Boxing Day '07 bonanza completely (while paying rent to Westfield and paying workers to prepare the store for opening in March '08). Check it out if you haven't done thus far.

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If it's $1899 with a 5 year warranty and $1749 with the base warranty, it's only $150 more for a 4-year warranty extension, which is very cheap when you consider some of the insane quotes Myer gives for extended warranties. Goes to show that it's a highly negotiable item (more than the panel anyway).

If you're prepared to wait patiently for stocks to build up and desperation to set in, then a lower price could well be achievable. Otherwise $1899 is average (doesn't have the same ring to it as $1531, does it ?)

BTW which Myer was this ? Eastgardens may be a bit more keen to notch up sales, since they replaced a non-profitable David Jones and missed the X'mas/Boxing Day '07 bonanza completely (while paying rent to Westfield and paying workers to prepare the store for opening in March '08). Check it out if you haven't done thus far.

I know this 1899 is no better than just an OK deal. I got that easily from Myer Bondi Junction. I'll check out Eastgardens Myer soon.

Maybe I should wait for another week or two to get a better deal when there are plenty of stock. Now it's the time to test my patience.

If 1539 will be the cost for retailers for a long time (say till the next 9 series is released), than I should have about $200 margin to haggle, but it is based on the condition that they still offer this $150 warranty.

Thanks Kulfi for following up my situation and for all the information/suggestions you kindly supplied.

ps, can anybody estimate the price of this TV in Nov/Dec?

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Cheapest quote I've had was $1600 from 2 different Myers.

I'm going to wait another 9 days at which point stock will be plentiful and then the haggling will start :)

that's the price for the TV itself, isn't it? How much they charge for 5yrs warranty? And can i ask which Myer offered you this price?

I checked Myer CBD today and seemed they didn't have stock.

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Myer are pretty good, I reckon they get paid more because they don't get all pissy when I ask for a low price. They just keep their cool and see what they can do, very professional and not the slightest bit aggressive. Most of the other stores I've been to (JB, GG, HN etc.) are basically as you have described.

Can't agree with you more.

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Cheapest quote I've had was $1600 from 2 different Myers.

I'm going to wait another 9 days at which point stock will be plentiful and then the haggling will start :)

Interested to know what is your targeting price (including total 5 yr warranty)

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that's the price for the TV itself, isn't it? How much they charge for 5yrs warranty? And can i ask which Myer offered you this price?

Yep that's $1600 just for the TV and don't have to buy warranty with it. Another Myer store said they would do the TV for $1539 if I bought 4 years extended warranty for something like $380, but I'm not interested in that. I'm not sure I should name the stores lest they figure out it's me who's been blabbing on the internet :D but they were adelaide stores.

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Interested to know what is your targeting price (including total 5 yr warranty)

Target is $1539 ;)

I would feel silly paying more than what others have. Don't want the warranty either as it's being purchased on amex.

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Another Myer store said they would do the TV for $1539 if I bought 4 years extended warranty for something like $380, but I'm not interested in that.

that's more than the quote I got from Myer today.

You don't want to buy warranty at all? Or buying later on from 3rd party like United? United seems will charge you something around 300 for 4 yrs extended warranty.

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What's the benefit of buying on amex? My gold credit card can offer me 1 yr warranty, but, is 2 yr in total enough?

Amex offers an extra 2 years making it 3yrs total. Knowing my luck it'll probably break down around the 3-5yr mark :)

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I guess getting a good price on this TV has come down to supply vs demand. We're in a low supply situation at the moment so a bit of patience may help.

I doubt if the retailers' cost price remains stagnant for a long time, otherwise we can't explain how TVs keep dropping in street price during their life cycle. Cost prices reduce on a periodic basis and this is also accompanied by RRP cuts by the manufacturer, thereby lowering the cost price yet again.

It's hard to estimate the street price of this, or any other TV in Nov/Dec. Demand is high around that time but may be accompanied by freebies, like the Sony/Samsung/LG/Sharp giveaways (all on LCDs, not plasmas) last year. That may encourage customers to buy. If retail demand keeps falling to accompany the slowdown in the economy and we have poor sales over the holiday season, the extra supplies might force retailers to sell stocks at lower prices. Then again, if the RBA cuts interest rates by another 0.25% to 0.5% over the next two months, it could send families out in a buying frenzy to spend the extra $80 that they saved on their mortgage payments.

A lot of people live in this manner - spend now and consider the consequences later. The credit providers are aware of this and launch promotions on credit cards that say "Spend in Nov/Dec and nothing to pay until Apr". I call it the "Enjoy Christmas, get crucified on Good Friday" trap. The funny thing is people like this are supposed to keep the world economy rolling ......

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I guess getting a good price on this TV has come down to supply vs demand. We're in a low supply situation at the moment so a bit of patience may help.

I doubt if the retailers' cost price remains stagnant for a long time, otherwise we can't explain how TVs keep dropping in street price during their life cycle. Cost prices reduce on a periodic basis and this is also accompanied by RRP cuts by the manufacturer, thereby lowering the cost price yet again.

It's hard to estimate the street price of this, or any other TV in Nov/Dec. Demand is high around that time but may be accompanied by freebies, like the Sony/Samsung/LG/Sharp giveaways (all on LCDs, not plasmas) last year. That may encourage customers to buy. If retail demand keeps falling to accompany the slowdown in the economy and we have poor sales over the holiday season, the extra supplies might force retailers to sell stocks at lower prices. Then again, if the RBA cuts interest rates by another 0.25% to 0.5% over the next two months, it could send families out in a buying frenzy to spend the extra $80 that they saved on their mortgage payments.

A lot of people live in this manner - spend now and consider the consequences later. The credit providers are aware of this and launch promotions on credit cards that say "Spend in Nov/Dec and nothing to pay until Apr". I call it the "Enjoy Christmas, get crucified on Good Friday" trap. The funny thing is people like this are supposed to keep the world economy rolling ......

Thanks for this good analyse. I will try my best to keep patient.

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myer was 1650 over a month ago now plus 350 for extra 4 year warranty. 2000 with 5 years all up. this is in Melbourne. others have got better deals but usually have known someone in the store.

HN was 1800 plus 200 for the extra 4 years also. i was hoping to get it for 1800-1900 with 5 year warranty if it comes down to this 1531 that seems to be the go in Sydney. apparantly noe the olympics have finished it may go down.

anyone in Melbourne gone under $2000 with 5 year warranty in total ?

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50"80a purchased at Myer chatswood $1550 inc delivery. Me and 2 mates all bought today. Young chap told me 1539 was their cost price. At first insisted we take warranty for $269 but in the end we did not take it.

Perhaps an unwise choice - plasmas break down a LOT. You might consider going back to the store and taking it.

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50"80a purchased at Myer chatswood $1550 inc delivery. Me and 2 mates all bought today. Young chap told me 1539 was their cost price. At first insisted we take warranty for $269 but in the end we did not take it.

was 269 the price for total 5 yr warranty? Can i have a copy of your receipt (zn7726@hotmail.com)? I will go chatswood tomorrow and get mine if they offer the same price to me. thanks.

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checked eastgarden myer and most of the retailers in Auburn. Myer can match 1899 inc 5 yr warranty price, but cannot do any better (even free delivery). HN auburn can only match Myer's price, and othe retailers like GG, Retravision couldnot.

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I brought one of these great Tvs at Domayne Belrose today. T.v was $1996 and they had a deal with a $300 gift voucher. So basically $1696 with free delivery thrown in. Brought a ex77 pana dvd 160hdd with the voucher for $425, which was about $24 cheaper than anywhere in Sydney. Pretty happy with that

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That user would be me!!

Thanks kulfi.

Still weighin up between the pana and the LG. My brain says pna but the "funky furniture mind" inside of me says LG!

I know never base a TV on only cosmetics, but side by side i cant decide between them. At least i have ruled out the Samsung now. Not as good as either Pana or LG IMO.

I need it before the weekend if possible.

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That user would be me!!

Thanks kulfi.

Still weighin up between the pana and the LG. My brain says pna but the "funky furniture mind" inside of me says LG!

I know never base a TV on only cosmetics, but side by side i cant decide between them. At least i have ruled out the Samsung now. Not as good as either Pana or LG IMO.

I need it before the weekend if possible.

Not the LG with the 'Glory Hole' is it??????

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Not the LG with the 'Glory Hole' is it??????

That would be the Scarlet LCD. The LG PG20/PG60 plasmas have a very clean and decent look, which LG has also used on the non-Scarlet LCDs and also its new line of PC LCD monitors (thankfully).

Popular opinion is in favour of the Panasonic and looking at some of LG's build quality/tuner issues over the past year and a half, I would lean towards the Pana as well.

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That would be the Scarlet LCD. The LG PG20/PG60 plasmas have a very clean and decent look, which LG has also used on the non-Scarlet LCDs and also its new line of PC LCD monitors (thankfully).

Popular opinion is in favour of the Panasonic and looking at some of LG's build quality/tuner issues over the past year and a half, I would lean towards the Pana as well.

Got my 50px80a the next day after mjb_entertainment's 'group buy' buy similar price. I got little discount on the price of their warranty. Thanks mjb_entertainment and Klufi.

I was a little surprised that Myer sells warranty from UnitedElectrical (not sure about the spelling). Don't know if you can get a good price of the warranty directly from United.

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