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well, our Philips CRT tv died the other day. It's at least 8 years old, so you can imagine the jaw-dropping that went on when I visited my local Harvey Norman tv area! In those short 8 years tvs have changed somewhat!! Some are as big as walls! Well, I went home and did some research - obviously it was needed. Nothing like JIT knowledge. I liked the idea of 100hz - an extra, interpolated frame inserted between each of the 50 frames displayed per second - I can understand how that effects motion, particularly at the resolution the new tvs boast! Next, I had to come to terms with the sheer size of the screens! Unbelievable! I saw in my research that 32" is considered small these days - let me tell you, we brought one of our old 30cm (or so) CRTs out of a bedroom to watch while we debated what to do about a new tv - that is small. Let me tell you, 32" is NOT small!

So, after all the research, I headed over to the Philips section of my local HN and bought a lovely 32" 32PFL7403D. It is a dream. I never knew that picture quality could be so good. I turn the 100hz feature off for the footy, but it's on all the rest of the time. You guys arguing about blackness, I know it's relative, but today's screens are far and away better than what we had - CRT. Simply phenomenal.

Hi sa_cooke, wouldn't it be better to use the 100Hz when watching the footy and turn it off when watching normal tv when there are not as many fast movements going on? Also CRT tv's still provide an excellent picture as long as you have a decent one. My 6 year old 68cm JVC PQ matchs my new 46" 100Hz LCD but the screen size is the big factor there. It looks much more impressive. :rolleyes:

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Hi sa_cooke, wouldn't it be better to use the 100Hz when watching the footy and turn it off when watching normal tv when there are not as many fast movements going on? Also CRT tv's still provide an excellent picture as long as you have a decent one. My 6 year old 68cm JVC PQ matchs my new 46" 100Hz LCD but the screen size is the big factor there. It looks much more impressive. :rolleyes:

Yes, I hear what you are saying regarding CRT - they are still preferred by some digital artists because colour is apparently more natural, whatever that means, displayed via CRT than through LCD. I'm not a digital artist using a massive Silicon Graphics boat anchor however. I do think, though, that for a 68cm CRT I'd need to have the floor strengthened! The weight of our old CRT - and that is quite a lot smaller than yours - was huge!

Regarding the 100hz off during the footy, well the footy is about different things for different people. For me, I enjoy the action. For the camera, though, the action is always centred around the ball - so the ball is followed religiously (meaning we miss a lot of the argy-bargy that goes on where the ball isn't - probably not such a bad thing I guess). With the camera following the wildly spinning ball after a decent kick, and the 100hz feature on, we get these interpolated images that are placed between each of the 50hz images that just make the ball look like a moth when seen in real time! I feel that the spin of a ball like an Aussie Rules ball is too difficult to predict. I'm guessing the 100hz feature was designed and tested in Europe, where pretty much all they use are round balls. Anyway, in an attempt to get rid of the 'ghosting', moth-like halo effect created by the interpolation not accurately recreating the football in flight, I turn the effect off.

Ahh, I wonder if screen resolution might not have some part to play in the effect I report. The 32" is 1366x768 - not full HD.

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Regarding the 100hz off during the footy, well the footy is about different things for different people. For me, I enjoy the action. For the camera, though, the action is always centred around the ball - so the ball is followed religiously (meaning we miss a lot of the argy-bargy that goes on where the ball isn't - probably not such a bad thing I guess). With the camera following the wildly spinning ball after a decent kick, and the 100hz feature on, we get these interpolated images that are placed between each of the 50hz images that just make the ball look like a moth when seen in real time! I feel that the spin of a ball like an Aussie Rules ball is too difficult to predict. I'm guessing the 100hz feature was designed and tested in Europe, where pretty much all they use are round balls. Anyway, in an attempt to get rid of the 'ghosting', moth-like halo effect created by the interpolation not accurately recreating the football in flight, I turn the effect off.

Ahh, I wonder if screen resolution might not have some part to play in the effect I report. The 32" is 1366x768 - not full HD.

I agree with what you have found. I turned it off tonight whilst watching the saints/pies game and it was much better. There was no 'moth like' appearance of the ball in flight!

Who watches that game with the round ball anyways :D

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That's interesting I spent last night flicking between the Aussie Rules, Bledisloe Cup and League Finals trying to find the ideal settings as well. Found the same thing that the 100Hz was best left off, although I felt that the difference was only minor. The problem I have is that in Canberra we get the regional treatment - Southern Cross 10 don't show the Aussie Rules in HD, WIN aren't showing the League in HD and Prime I suspect are using a 576i SD image for the Rugby and upscaling to HD. Unless your getting fed a genuine HD signal then football on a large Full HD screen can look pretty awful. The other week I watched the Wallabies v Springboks from J'Bourg on a mates Kuro and the picture was terrible, and no that's not Pio's problem the source was just piss poor. Until the networks start taking HD seriously in regional areas then the top shelf televisions like the Phili and Pio often seem to highlight what a piss poor job the regional networks are doing.

On a brighter note after the Bledisloe Cup on Prime they showed the film Broken Arrow on HD, yeah I know crap film, but what the hell. If there's one thing that the 47 PFL9703D never fails to do is highlight in all it's glory - dated CGI and stogy model work. <_<

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as per my post above Ive been looking at the 7403 through H Norman and they are definetly indicating a price drop.... at least $200 and thats before any haggling. I expect thet same will happen on the 9703s as well. From what I understand HN are not ordering any more Philips TVs so they will just want to move what they have.

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have been offered $2000 for PFL7403D yesterday at HN (with new sound bar for $850 )

again anyone have any experience with this TV?

The price, picture and specs all look really good. Will get an extension to 7 years on warranty which covers my concerns that they are getting outta the OZ market . Will want a new one by then anyway..

sorry Benson not sure about 47 incher

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I wouldn't be losing any sleep over the warranty issue with Philips pulling out of the Australian market. So long as the warranty is valid then your covered. It's not really any different to other Euro brands, namely B&O, Loewe & Metz who are imported into the country by licenced resellers. In fact I was speaking to a dealer the other day who are now selling Philips TV's along side ones from Loewe & Metz. The consensus at the moment seems to be that resellers will continue to bring in the Euro brands while there is a demand for them regardless of whether their is an official manufacturer presence in the country or not.

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Harvey Norman City West advised there was a $400 price drop today on the 47 9703 today (down to $3,400). Can anyone confirm the RRP of the 47 incher now?

HN in Osborne Park offered me one on Saturday $3149 plus approx $250 for extended warranty a total of 5 years which I thought was a bit expensive, I was really looking for something about 50" so I didn't push the guy for a buy right now price so probably could have done better, plus I'm a bit iffy about the long term if they are quitting TV in Oz.

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just got the phillips lcd 42pfl9703d from good guys thomastown victoria paid $2250 cash

thanks to dtv forums for such good info and posts i would of been lost with so many tvs for sale atm.

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I have $3000 to spend, I am not fussed between 47" or 50". The new LCD's are impressive but then again I am no expert and my TV at home will not be sitting next to 4 other models or brands (if you know what I mean). I always lent towards Plasma because of the marketing efforts of the manufacturers and how they don't have ghosting and good for sport... but then I saw the latest Phillips 47" and I am impressed.

I currently have a Loewe Planus (Widescreen 576p CRT) - LOVE IT but am now officially " keeping up (or getting ahead of) the Jones' "

I'm at my final two - between the Phillips 47PFL9703D and Panasonic TH-50PZ850A (Plasma). The size differnce does not bother me.

I love my sport and movies, do not have and am not considering Foxtel or Fox HD. Just a simpleton that enjoys TV & Movies (especially Ten HD MotoGP & F1).

Now that you know a little about me, can anyone provide some clarity becasue the guys in the stores can only guess...

Any help is appreciated...

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G'day fred.e. I have just bought the 47PFL9703D and let me say it really is awesome!! I was the same as you, I started off considering the same TH-50PZ850A Panasonic plasma against the Philips 47PFL9703D LCD.

After many hours of research and countless hours in my local Harvey Norman checking out different shows/sports (SD and HD), movies and games I came to the conclusion that the Philips was for me (and by the sound of it, you too!! :) )

The picture quality in the shop on everything I saw was fabulous and I can confidently say the it really is even better when you get it home, as has been said before in this forum, the SD TV picture (alone) is the best I have seen on ANY LCD!!!!!!! Also, the inherent lack of blur and overall picture quality/clarity is truly staggering!!!

I have mates that have bought big brand LCD'S only to get them home to find they are less than good, with everything from movies to normal TV, then they spend all their time trying to convince themselves that they did the right thing by buying a Big Brand and saying they are happy with the set, when clearly they are not.

I'm not one of those blokes, the 47PFL9703 REALLY is fantastic!!

And, I can't wait to see the Moto GP on the 47 on Sunday :)

All the best and I hope I have been some help,

Cheers, CC

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G'day fred.e. I have just bought the 47PFL9703D and let me say it really is awesome!! I was the same as you, I started off considering the same TH-50PZ850A Panasonic plasma against the Philips 47PFL9703D LCD.

And, I can't wait to see the Moto GP on the 47 on Sunday :)

You've hit the nail on the head, thanks Charlie - No dealer has let me run FTA at their showroom (they just run their standard recorded stuff).

How did MotoGP look? Also did you watch the league final and if so was it sharp?

Cheers, Fred.e

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I'm looking at either a 42pfl7403 @$1840 or the 42pfl9703 @$2250. Just wondering what the general opinion is of both sets is and whether the extra for the 9703 is justified given that I'll be using it in the bedroom.

Best prices either has been bought for would give me a good guide for a price to aim for.

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I'm looking at either a 42pfl7403 @$1840 or the 42pfl9703 @$2250. Just wondering what the general opinion is of both sets is and whether the extra for the 9703 is justified given that I'll be using it in the bedroom.

Best prices either has been bought for would give me a good guide for a price to aim for.

Well, my best price for the 42 LCD Philips is well over that. $2699 I think.

I haven't got the other one to compare, but I have been extremely happy so far. The PQ is way & above the original philips plasma I had

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Little Bobby:

I got the 7403 a couple of weeks ago for $2000 as our main tellie. We couldn't necessarily justify the extra for the 9703 (With the same deal it would have been about $2400 I think). To be honest it was difficult to see a great variation between the two products in the store. The major performance difference so far as I can tell is a faster response time (2 ms with the 9703 vs 3 ms with the 7403) …

We have been really happy with the performance and PQ of the 7403. Some settings we have changed a little but overall it is amazing picture, particularly good with HD and DVDs- and overall design is great. For $1840 you are getting a lot for your money!!

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just got the phillips lcd 42pfl9703d from good guys thomastown victoria paid $2250 cash

thanks to dtv forums for such good info and posts i would of been lost with so many tvs for sale atm.

cancelled the 42' 9703 as no one in melb has got any in stock looks all sold out.

so after about 6 calls found a 47plf9703 in the city for $2800

these also are getting hard to get in a week or 2 reckon wont be any left in melb, city got 1 left and chadstone has 5 left so be quick if you wont one.

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cancelled the 42' 9703 as no one in melb has got any in stock looks all sold out.

so after about 6 calls found a 47plf9703 in the city for $2800

these also are getting hard to get in a week or 2 reckon wont be any left in melb, city got 1 left and chadstone has 5 left so be quick if you wont one.

Hope you will be happy with your purchase. I am!

Even though they are going out of favour, I think that they should last as well as any other device.

there is no reason not to buy one if available.

Generally If any electronic device is going to fail, it will be in the first few months (if is going to). Your 12 months warranty will cover that.

After that, well, it'll probably last like the last few evolutions of TV did.

By then it will be another new functionality/technology that will take our fancy.

Excuse me while I go and get another red wine.

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Bought the 47 9703....awesome.

one problem and any help appreciated. The sound/volume rises and falls for no apparent reason when watching tv. Thought it was the auto volume leveling function - but when in settings, it won't let me access it.

Please help - a bit frustrating on day 2 of the new tv....

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Bought the 47 9703....awesome.

one problem and any help appreciated. The sound/volume rises and falls for no apparent reason when watching tv. Thought it was the auto volume leveling function - but when in settings, it won't let me access it.

Please help - a bit frustrating on day 2 of the new tv....

I have the same tv but have had no problems with what you are experiencing. Have you downloaded the latest updates from the PHilips website? When I got my TV this is the first thing I did. It turned on the EPG too.

This may allow you to access this function.

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Not much use to you aafus but I just bought the 42Pfl9703D for $1880 in Melbourne. Display model off the floor but for that price who cares. I know there is virtually none of this model available in Melbourne now but if anyone is after the 42pfl7403 I know that Good Guys at Thomastown and DFO Essendon have about 3 left at each store, with no idea if and when they'll get any more. $1800 from the Thomastown store and $1840 from DFO was the best prices I could get on VISA.

Sikmrex: Re the software update. The only one I can see refers to the UK. Is this update you're referring to or is there another somewhere?

A few observations I've already made:

Great picture on the Philips but a little clunky re the setup and fine tuning. I have a Pio LX508 in the lounge so I'm a bit spoilt in that area with it. Remote control is minimalist but adequate. I agree that viewing of axis from the side at greater than 45 deg is pretty poor but as mines in a bedroom it's not and issue. Mine also has a little backlight bleed in the top LH corner. Again for the price I paid I'll put up with it. (If you don't know what that is or how to look for it don't worry about it).

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Excuse me while I go and get another red wine.

its on the wall and the picture is great im very happy and so is the missus in fact the pq looks better than the pana 800a both are still factory settings.

one problem and any help appreciated. The sound/volume rises and falls for no apparent reason when watching tv. Thought it was the auto volume leveling function - but when in settings, it won't let me access it.

if you update the software the sound option is avaliable.

Not much use to you aafus but I just bought the 42Pfl9703D for $1880 in Melbourne

small world i was offered that same 42" thursday mornin as they could not supply a sealed in box. did you get the full 3 yrar factory warranty?

Sikmrex: Re the software update. The only one I can see refers to the UK. Is this update you're referring to or is there another somewhere?

pop in a usb stick first and it does the rest, you will need to unzip back onto the stick, the instructions are lacking a little.

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paulfx;

Yes full warranty as per new unit. I'd seen it on Thursday morn and was told it was sold. HN across the road wanted $2400 for there on display model and Broady wanted $2250 for theirs. Just for anyone interested.

Yeah update was no issue but the version I used specifically mentions UK. Downloaded and all's well. Haven't really noticed any improvement.

Were you able to get one in a box from somewhere?

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Yes full warranty as per new unit. I'd seen it on Thursday morn and was told it was sold. HN across the road wanted $2400 for there on display model and Broady wanted $2250 for theirs. Just for anyone interested.

Yeah update was no issue but the version I used specifically mentions UK. Downloaded and all's well. Haven't really noticed any improvement.

Were you able to get one in a box from somewhere?

i cancelled the 42" 9703 as could not supply new and found some new 47" 9703 in town melb hn.

i did notice will shopping around that the 7series 42" has a great pq compared to other brands in store, my observation.

its hard to find people not happy with the philips 7 & 9 series.

i love the flat panel finish no reflections in a bright north facing room compared to the pana gloss panel finish i got to close the blinds to stop the outside reflections.

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No issue with mine yet though I have a couple of little issues not related to the unit so much as with LCD screens in general. Light reflecting off tiled/wooden floors or other shinny surface cause strange reflections on the screen. I struck the same issue with a Sony KDL46X2000 I had the misfortune to buy before I bought the Pio LX. The other relates to the use of remote controls other than the Philips in the vicinity of LCD screens.

I have a Foxtel box in the bedroom where I previously had a 26" LCD screen(Toshiba) hooked up to it and working faultlessly. Now for some reason the Foxtel Box/remote no longer want to talk to each other properly. Worked poorly during day light but now won't work at all. Have IQ in lounge so tried that remote. Same thing and no remote controlling of bedroom Foxtel. Used both in lounge with the IQ without issue. Turned Philips off and remotes work perfectly. Had a similar issue once before with a Niles remote extender and it turned out to be something to do with the output from the LCD screen interfering with the infra red receiver and remote.

Just wondering if anyone else has struck the issue and knows a way of fixing it. I hate the thought of having to contact Foxtel and explain what's occurring!!!

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No issue with mine yet though I have a couple of little issues not related to the unit so much as with LCD screens in general. Light reflecting off tiled/wooden floors or other shinny surface cause strange reflections on the screen. I struck the same issue with a Sony KDL46X2000 I had the misfortune to buy before I bought the Pio LX. The other relates to the use of remote controls other than the Philips in the vicinity of LCD screens.

I have a Foxtel box in the bedroom where I previously had a 26" LCD screen(Toshiba) hooked up to it and working faultlessly. Now for some reason the Foxtel Box/remote no longer want to talk to each other properly. Worked poorly during day light but now won't work at all. Have IQ in lounge so tried that remote. Same thing and no remote controlling of bedroom Foxtel. Used both in lounge with the IQ without issue. Turned Philips off and remotes work perfectly. Had a similar issue once before with a Niles remote extender and it turned out to be something to do with the output from the LCD screen interfering with the infra red receiver and remote.

Just wondering if anyone else has struck the issue and knows a way of fixing it. I hate the thought of having to contact Foxtel and explain what's occurring!!!

Got a similar problem with my Philips 47 PFL9703D/79 and my Oppo DV-983H not exactly getting along. Under certain conditions the Oppo seems to be slow or unresponsive to RC commands. I found if I turned off the dynamic back light on the Philips it seemed to help. At first I thought it was just my imagination but after some research I've found it's not uncommon to have conflicts between various combinations of AV equipment in regards to IR signals being disrupted. I read on one forum a while back that quite a few people in the UK were reporting problems with the latest Samsung LCD's interfering with the remote signal from SKY HD STB's. It seems the best solution is to invest in a universal remote that uses radio frequency signals as opposed to Infrared signals. I've been toying with the idea of splashing out and getting the Denon RC7000 that uses both IR & RF signals.

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Hi Guys,

I am also considering buying 47" Phillips, however I am not sure how it will work with the connection to HT through the receiver. I got new Denon 3808 which will upscale to 1080p, but only via HDMI.

I intend to connect DVD & PVR to the receiver and then HDMI to TV. Did any of you use that type of connection and if so, how was the performance of TV.

Any comments will be appreciated.

Cheers Greg

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Traitorsgate,

I have all manor of remotes including the NevoSL with Wifi extender but the thought of having to go thru all the setup, and there is quite a bit and it's flakey at best, just for a bedroom tele seems extreme. I'll give Philips/Foxtel a call tomorrow and see if there's a work around. I'd really thought all these types of LCD issues had been sorted out but judging by your reply they're not. I know that Niles have solved the issue now with their range of extenders, but they're not cheap and still require control boxes and power supplies. Weird thing is that even if you place the remote directly against the remote sensor of the Foxtel box it still wont work when the Philips is operating. Hopefully it's as simple as a dodgy Foxtel box but I doubt it.

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*NOTE TO ANY AND ALL INTERESTED IN PHILIPS*

Get in while you can, philips announced a month or so ago that they will no longer be selling TV/AV gear in Oz/NZ due to a lack of profit from australia's spiralling costs of panels.

The stock left in Myer/HN/GG etc will be it. no more will be arriving into the country for the forseeable future.

Its a real shame, whenever i test a philips against any other lcd, it puts it to shame. i can believe Sony can let there panels be beaten so severley by such a small company! Alas, we will even miss the chance of getting the full range of panels with lcd backlighting (sony will only have them in 46" and up).

R.I.P Philips, you will be missed!!!

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*NOTE TO ANY AND ALL INTERESTED IN PHILIPS*

Get in while you can, philips announced a month or so ago that they will no longer be selling TV/AV gear in Oz/NZ due to a lack of profit from australia's spiralling costs of panels.

The stock left in Myer/HN/GG etc will be it. no more will be arriving into the country for the forseeable future.

Its a real shame, whenever i test a philips against any other lcd, it puts it to shame. i can believe Sony can let there panels be beaten so severley by such a small company! Alas, we will even miss the chance of getting the full range of panels with lcd backlighting (sony will only have them in 46" and up).

R.I.P Philips, you will be missed!!!

Bought myself a 47PFL9703 :) delivery on saturday

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