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Just another update regarding price. I picked up the 47 PFL9703D at Harvey Norman Canberra for $3290 including delivery. Considering it's still such a brand new model with limited availability I'm reasonably happy with that price. Now for a nervous 24hrs while I await the delivery truck, hopefully it doesn't crash.

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Hiya all, since purchasing my 9703 and being so happy, I've kind of gone quiet on this website because I simply don;t really need to use it as a mean of info any longer basically. I've jumped on and noticed talks on s/w upgrades for recent model TV's. Would a TV as new as a month require urgent upgrades so soon? If so, what are these patches fixing in particular. Reason I'm asking is in my expereince with upgrades and s/w fixes, is that sometimes they actually make items worse off than better. This is a very huge generalisation I know, I'm sure they've produced them to fix certain bugs but unless its a particular fix thats going to benefit my viewing experience, I don;t see much point. Whats your thoughts?

Generally, I am a user who will always keep up to date with s/w upgrades.

Now with these TV's having network capability, it will probably be worth while I think to keep up.

The web site will give you a release bulletin that tells you what has been fixed/improved.

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Hiya all, since purchasing my 9703 and being so happy, I've kind of gone quiet on this website because I simply don;t really need to use it as a mean of info any longer basically. I've jumped on and noticed talks on s/w upgrades for recent model TV's. Would a TV as new as a month require urgent upgrades so soon? If so, what are these patches fixing in particular. Reason I'm asking is in my expereince with upgrades and s/w fixes, is that sometimes they actually make items worse off than better. This is a very huge generalisation I know, I'm sure they've produced them to fix certain bugs but unless its a particular fix thats going to benefit my viewing experience, I don;t see much point. Whats your thoughts?

I bought mine last week and checked the philips website for the latest software and there had been many updates since my tv was made. In particular the EPG was not activated but the upgrade did this. There are instructions where you get the latest software on how to do it. Just register your TV on the philips web site and then you can check the updates. Very very easy!

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I am looking at buying this model so I called philips. They said November.

I cant wait.

Hi Guys!

I am looking at getting the 32" version of this TV as I live in a small apartment. The TV will be used as a computer monitor as well. Does anyone know where you can buy this size in Australia? All the HN i have been have the standard def versions only..they say only the Euros can get the 1080p 32"??

Cheers

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First Thoughts on the 47 PFL9703D

Having had it now for a couple of days I thought I'd share my initial opinion of this unit. First an admission, this is my first LCD as up an until two days ago I was unable/unwilling to let go of my trusty old Loewe Aconda CRT. It's only with the latest generation of flat panel LCD's & Plasmas that I've felt confident enough to make the leap from good old CRT.

Setting up was a breeze, and dare I say it, idiot proof. I always manage a wry smile when people complain about setting up LCD's & Plasmas. Until you've dealt with an old school Loewe menu system believe me, you don't know convoluted & incomprehensible. My only real complaint about the Philips GUI is when your using a test pattern to adjust the picture the GUI obscures the image, I'd prefer the menus to be tucked up in a corner and the ability to either make them opaque and or smaller. No dramas with the rear connections although I'd have preferred them all to be down near the base as opposed to being so high up on the unit. Obviously the layout of the circuit boards dictate the external connections location, I'm sure Philips had a good enough reason for placing them so high up on the units back.

I wont comment on the Philips audio quality as it is being used merely as a display in a 5.1 set up and so making it a moot point. I will say that I'm surprised more manufacturers haven't followed the lead of the Loewe Compose by producing televisions that don't have any speakers and thus need to be hooked up to a home theatre set up. This allows you to have an extremely attractive design that is ideal for wall mounting that look more like a framed painting as opposed to a television hanging off the wall.

Picture quality as you probably have guessed is jaw droppingly good. Broadcast material both SD & HD is sharp, detailed and remarkably free of noise. Been watching the Olympics and you are easily able to discern the difference in the type of cameras being used by the broadcasters as the director swaps between different shots. Perhaps one of the biggest selling points of the Philips has been its ability to handle fast motion. From what I've experienced thus far I'd give it a 9/10, let me explain. Watching various Olympic events the Philips hasn't missed a beat, tracking and panning shots have been rendered smoothly and without a hint of tearing or blurring. The same goes for DVD with an Oppo DV-983H connected via HDMI. The level of detail in the opening space battle scene in Star Wars Ep III ROTS is bordering on what you would expect from Blu-Ray. All the time without a hint of motion judder.

So far the only time I've been able to trip the Philips up in it's handling of fast motion is with one particular torture test that I have - Matchstick Production's Seven Sunny Days. This is a Ski flick that has a stunning base jumping sequence in it. The sequence in question has base jumpers proximity flying along cliff faces in Norway. One particular shot shows a guy wearing a bright yellow wing suit tracking along a massive Fjord. Not only is the camera tracking the jumper falling vertically at approx 200 kph the base jumper is also tracking horizontally across the cliff face at a similar speed. The Philips had a problem rendering the yellow suited jumper as he changed direction to follow the contours of the cliff face, you could see a certain amount of clipping around the jumper. Amazingly though the Philips was still able to produce a stunning amount of detail in the cliff face without so much as a hint of blurring or judder. I've used the same sequence on my brother's Sony Bravia XBR and the Sony simply couldn't reproduce the scene at all without having the entire image start to tear. My friend has a Pioneer Kuro and while it handled the motion effectively the level of detail wasn't a match for the Philips. It has to be said that this scene represents what you would probably consider the worst case scenario for LCD & Plasma and is not really representative of what you will likely come across 99% of the time. The stark difference between the Sony which BTW is a stunningly good LCD and the Philips is I think is representative of how far LCD has come in the last 12 months. So yes I think on balance Philip's claim to being able to handle fast motion as well or better than any other flat panel currently available is not just a hollow claim, I don't think at the moment the Philips can be beaten in this department.

My only complaint thus far is that the Philips causes a certain amount of IR interference with the Oppo's RC, making the DVD slow/unresponsive when accepting commands. Done some research to find that this sort of IR interference is not uncommon, it's been reported that numerous combinations of LCD/DVD/STB can have this problem. Probably time to look into an RF universal remote.

So while it is still early days I have to say that I'm stunningly pleased with the Philips, and now to bite the bullet and get that first Blu-Ray player. B)

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Hello Traitorsgate

That was an excellent post re your new purchase. Just one question. How much better in terms of your viewing enjoyment is it over your "trusty old Loewe Aconda CRT"?

Is it a quantum leap?

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First Thoughts on the 47 PFL9703D

My friend has a Pioneer Kuro and while it handled the motion effectively the level of detail wasn't a match for the Philips.

How did the Phillips compare generally with the Koru, and was it an LX?

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Hello Traitorsgate

That was an excellent post re your new purchase. Just one question. How much better in terms of your viewing enjoyment is it over your "trusty old Loewe Aconda CRT"?

Is it a quantum leap?

OK, where do I start. Firstly I think the Aconda represented the zenith of the CRT TV era both in design and image quality, but that was then, this is now. I've long held the belief that Full HD screens only make sense on screens larger than 40". Once you get into that screen size then the extra detail really does become apparent. With the Aconda I used a Humax HD-7000 STB in place of the Aconda's onboard analogue tuner. With this set up I was able to get a remarkably detailed image, the HD-7000 scaled the incoming 1080i image down to 576i to be viewed on the Aconda. With similar sized LCD screens the Aconda was more than a match in terms of colour fidelity and image detail. However as the image on the Aconda was interlaced you would encounter issues with aliasing and shimmer that you don't see with an LCD outputting a progressive image. Simply put when you watch the HD demo loops that broadcast channels use, the image on the Philips is not only far more detailed it is also way more stable being completely devoid of aliasing and shimmer. The Aconda can I believe compete with LCD screens in the 32-37 inch class, but can't match the Full HD screens that are 40" or larger.

The single biggest difference between the Aconda and the Philips is in dealing with DVD's. I'm currently using an Oppo DV-983H. With the Aconda the Oppo was connected using an Ixos component to SCART lead at 576i. With the Philips I'm using the Oppo supplied HDMI lead at 1080p. It's worth noting that when the Oppo is using component then the Anchor Bay chipset is not in use, once you step up to HDMI then the Anchor Bay Chip comes into play. Michael Mann's film Miami Vice was shot entirely on HD Video as opposed to more traditional 35mm film. As a result the finished product has a decidedly stylised video look about it. When the film was released on HD DVD many reviewers bemoaned the fact that it looked as if they were watching an episode of 'Cops', which was the intended effect (love it or hate it). The advantage of HD Video when shooting scenes at night is you get this incredible depth of field while not having to artificially light the set. With the Aconda Miami Vice looked a little flat and grainy. The Philips on the other hand was able to show up the benefits of shooting on HD Video with the image having an almost surreal 3D look about it. The grain was still very apparent, but heavy grain is a by-product of shooting on HD Video. In fairness because the Oppo is not really doing much proccesing of the image over component compared to HDMI the Aconda was not getting a signal that had benefitted from a lot of advanced video processing. All that in mind you simply can't get away from the fact that the combo of the Philips and the Oppo produce an image from SD DVD that I simply didn't think was possible.

In short, and to be perfectly blunt, while the Loewe Aconda was/is able to produce brilliant pictures, the Philips simply blows it out of the water in every regard.

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How did the Phillips compare generally with the Koru, and was it an LX?

Straight off the bat I think it's safe to assume that your dealing with the two best TV's in their respective class. From what I've seen of the two the Pio definitely beats the Phili in terms of off-axis viewing. It's something that has been mentioned already in this thread and elsewhere that the Phili has a screen coating finish that isn't conducive to very wide angle off-axis viewing. In my home due to space or lack of, this isn't an issue. The other obvious comparison is black levels, again as good as LCD has become while you have some form of back lighting then Plasma and CRT for that matter will always win out. However the Phili produces deep blacks not greys. I had Blade Runner on last night in a darkened room and the Phili was pulling details out that I've never seen before. As Blade Runner was shot in Cinemascope you still have the black bars, they were black not a dark grey, without so much as a hint of back light bleeding or clouding visible. Short of setting the two screens up side by side any comparison is always going to be subjective. I have already seen that the Phili seems to be able to render an image that is so packed with fine detail that it can almost appear surreal. I suspect a lot of that is just me coming to terms with actually being able to see the benefits of a Full HD screen, something that is not so apparent on smaller screens.

Oh BTW my friend got his Pio last year so I'm assuming it's not the LX as that wasn't available then, if I'm not mistaken. Off the top of my head I don't know exactly what model it is, save for the fact that as it's one of those dirty great big 50 inch plus numbers, so it's a Full HD screen. Great TV, if you have the space, and the cash.

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Oh BTW my friend got his Pio last year so I'm assuming it's not the LX as that wasn't available then, if I'm not mistaken. Off the top of my head I don't know exactly what model it is, save for the fact that as it's one of those dirty great big 50 inch plus numbers, so it's a Full HD screen. Great TV, if you have the space, and the cash.

Thanks for the detailed reply. The comparison is of more than academic interest now, as the LX508 is supposed to be dropping to sub $3700 at the end of next month.

http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtop...&start=1240

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Hi Traitorsgate,

Thanks for your review.

I suppose the $64,000 question is the following,

If price was no issue would you choose the current Kuro or your Philips?

I am in the process of trying to decide between the two and I really love

the blacks my crt puts out so I am leaning towards the Kuro, but I love

that picture on the Philips.

Thanks

Damien

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Hi Traitorsgate,

Thanks for your review.

I suppose the $64,000 question is the following,

If price was no issue would you choose the current Kuro or your Philips?

I am in the process of trying to decide between the two and I really love

the blacks my crt puts out so I am leaning towards the Kuro, but I love

that picture on the Philips.

Thanks

Damien

I guess my initial reaction would be if money wasn't the deciding factor and I had a living room big enough (which I don't) then I would settle on either the 50" Kuro or go for broke with the 60". Having said that if I was genuinely in the market for screen 50" or larger then I'd be very interested to see how the upcoming Philips 52 PFL9703D stacks up. It's meant to come with a 55,000:1 contrast ratio screen which may well improve perceived black levels even further. I'd want to see this model from Philips perform before handing over the sort of money TV's in this size bracket command. Getting back to the sub 50" market though, I believe I made the correct choice with the 47 PFL9703D. If there's an LCD or Plasma out there with the same screen size that's capable of producing a discernibly better image, then I haven't seen it. Frankly at this end of the market, the argument over perceived black levels is no longer the issue it was a mere 12-18 months ago. All the top shelf LCD's are now using dynamic back lighting that's eliminated most of the problems with black levels. So unless you intend on spending all your time watching movies that are set in caves or the bottom of the ocean then black levels aren't the deciding factor. I believe the deciding factor between the Phili and the Pio is choosing between the Pio's better off-axis viewing against the Phili's more detailed image.

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Hello!

I m going to buy the 47PFL9703D in a few weeks time. Was in HN today and the guy quoted me $3250 straight up, like it's been said on this thread, he informed me they do have it but just not on display.

My only slight annoyance is that it only has one component input, which is either for my Wii or DVD player. I think I'll plug the Wii into it and just get a new DVD player with HDMI input.

I m just curious, from all the you guys that have this model, any annoying problems? At all?

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I've had my 47PFL9703D for almost 2 months now and have no annoying problems whatsoever. I'm a huge fan of this telly and not because I forked out the money for it. Like I've said before, if I found any problems with it after purchase I wouldve been back on here letting out my frustration but in actual fact, I've actually gone quiet from this topic because I'm totally pleased, blown away and enjoying every minute of my viewing experience from it. Even the adds are worth watching these days, sadly enough. If anything I am saving up and lookign forward to adding my first BluRay player to the collection which I'm looking forward to experiencing the full benefits of 1080P. If anyone is interested in buying this unit, you wont be disapointed. In terms of looks with its plastic wave border, I actually find it impressive and attractive, not an eye sore. In terms of picture, you will be blown away when setup properly. I'm not an expert on the technology and all of the Tv's capabolities but for what I use it for, FTA, DVD, SD Foxtel, I'm impressed by its stunning pictures and watching the Olympics and Footy is jaw dropping at how crisp the picture is. :)

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Ambilight Available?!

I have just purchased the 42PFL9703D/79 and am currently awaiting delivery. I just noticed that the latest HN catalogue (pg3 fathers day issue) nominates the 47" model as having Ambilight 3. Since a lot of the earlier reviews on the web are from UK websites this model is known as the 42PFL9703D/10 and this INCLUDES ambilight 3. When I previously enquired from Philips if the Ambilight version would be available in Australia the answer was only on the Aurea (see below);

"Dear xxxx,

There is only going to be one model that will be released in Australia with Ambilight.

It will be the replacement for current the Aurea (42PFL9900D/79).

If you are looking at the 42PFL9703D/79, it will the top of the line model in the 42" range." This response was emailed to me 18.07.08.

I gave HN chatswood a call today and they are of the belief that the October release of the new Cineos (as in the catalogue mentioned above) will have Ambilight. I'm not sure whether to believe this (or philips consumer care) or not but given its advertised with the same RRP, ~$3800, as the version without this seems a little odd.

I haven't seen the ambilight in action too much myself and it seems to get mixed reviews from users. From my POV its too late to change mine now and since I have never had ambilight I guess I wont miss it but I'd suggest to those looking to put this down as one of the questions to confirm when buying.

As you can see I'm not a longtime forum writer but have got enjoyed the feedback within this thread and in particular from gazman1973 and traitorsgate. I'm still a couple of weeks away from delivery but will post my thoughts once i've put it through its paces.

Cheers.

link for HN

http://catalogues.harveynorman.com.au/port...&gotopage=1

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Hello!

I m going to buy the 47PFL9703D in a few weeks time. Was in HN today and the guy quoted me $3250 straight up, like it's been said on this thread, he informed me they do have it but just not on display.

My only slight annoyance is that it only has one component input, which is either for my Wii or DVD player. I think I'll plug the Wii into it and just get a new DVD player with HDMI input.

I m just curious, from all the you guys that have this model, any annoying problems? At all?

the scart connector can be used for ur dvd player just buy a scart to compent cable

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I would be surprised if they do bring out Ambilight with the 52" in October when they havent for the 42" or 47". My understanding was the reason they included it in the European market and not in the Oz market on the 9703 was because of the price increase making it harder to compete in the market here. Including Ambilight would increase the cost to almost an extra $1K and I wouldnt think that bringing out the 47" at around $3,800 without it, they wouldve had much success, although better Tv's, with other cheaper Sony's, Samsung's, Sharp's or LG's if they tagged it at $4,800 for a 47". Thats my understanding anyway. Like I've said before, compared to the world market, Oz is miniscule and I'm not sure of the stats or buying trends but we're possibly even stingier when it comes to Entertainment equipment so why would they release a High end TV when no one is going to buy it because its too dear compared to the other brands? I think they smartly designed the High End 9703 model to suit their costs without the Ambilight and fit in well within our market to be able to compete which I think they've done quite well. Thats my lack of knowledge understanding of it all. B)

Ambilight Available?!

I have just purchased the 42PFL9703D/79 and am currently awaiting delivery. I just noticed that the latest HN catalogue (pg3 fathers day issue) nominates the 47" model as having Ambilight 3. Since a lot of the earlier reviews on the web are from UK websites this model is known as the 42PFL9703D/10 and this INCLUDES ambilight 3. When I previously enquired from Philips if the Ambilight version would be available in Australia the answer was only on the Aurea (see below);

"Dear xxxx,

There is only going to be one model that will be released in Australia with Ambilight.

It will be the replacement for current the Aurea (42PFL9900D/79).

If you are looking at the 42PFL9703D/79, it will the top of the line model in the 42" range." This response was emailed to me 18.07.08.

I gave HN chatswood a call today and they are of the belief that the October release of the new Cineos (as in the catalogue mentioned above) will have Ambilight. I'm not sure whether to believe this (or philips consumer care) or not but given its advertised with the same RRP, ~$3800, as the version without this seems a little odd.

I haven't seen the ambilight in action too much myself and it seems to get mixed reviews from users. From my POV its too late to change mine now and since I have never had ambilight I guess I wont miss it but I'd suggest to those looking to put this down as one of the questions to confirm when buying.

As you can see I'm not a longtime forum writer but have got enjoyed the feedback within this thread and in particular from gazman1973 and traitorsgate. I'm still a couple of weeks away from delivery but will post my thoughts once i've put it through its paces.

Cheers.

link for HN

http://catalogues.harveynorman.com.au/port...&gotopage=1

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ToolTime15, I think they've just made a stupid mistake. I just clicked on your link for the catalogue and did read the same. They've just received this model we've all purchased recently and only starting to put these on the floor from their warehouses so I can;t see it being any different from the ones myself and others have already purchased. Its simply a mistake and I think they're going to regret that typo if people are expecting it to have that option. Especially at $3,799, theres no way it would have ambilight also.

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Just a heads up guys. I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if this has already been covered,

These TV's are a Harvey Norman Exclusive until the End of august.

I work for the Good Guys, and tried to get one for a customer, unfortunately to be told they are exclusive to Harveys till pretty much after the olympics. So yeah, there is no point going in and bullshitting to them about better prices elsewhere, or the salesperson will laugh you out of the shop.

My suggestion is to wait unitl early sept, then you will see the best prices, with every man and his dog selling them.

Hope this helps.

G'day Underd0g

Have you a date for when you'll be able to start stocking the new sets now the Games are over?

Once Philips release the 47PFL9703D and other models to stores like yourselves (GG), what kind of $$ deals could we expect to be done?

ie. Buy today, for cash, and take it away etc.

If the wholesale price is supposedly around $2700-2800, there seems to be a good-sized margin to move in? And would it help if I was to also purchase a 2nd smaller tv, a wireless router and laptop?

Cheers :D

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ToolTime15, I think they've just made a stupid mistake. I just clicked on your link for the catalogue and did read the same. They've just received this model we've all purchased recently and only starting to put these on the floor from their warehouses so I can;t see it being any different from the ones myself and others have already purchased. Its simply a mistake and I think they're going to regret that typo if people are expecting it to have that option. Especially at $3,799, theres no way it would have ambilight also.

Gazman1973,

I have seen your footprints on other sites like cnet (that particular reviewer I have to say went up-to-down pretty rapidly) so know you have researched this particular TV a bit. I agree; the 47" RRP $3,799 is what the non ambilight is recommended at so selling with ambilight at the same price is probably as you say a stupid mistake on their part. A questions if I may;

This reviewer

http://www.trustedreviews.com/tvs/review/2...-42in-LCD-TV/p4

notes to get the best out of the TV to change settings to what you watch. Are you finding you are doing this? I don't mind as this is the same as say changing your amp settings to drama or mono or stereo although in that case its a one button change. Be interested to know how much you are fiddling.

Cheers

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ToolTime,

I actually found a set of settings on another Philips TV forum for the previous model. When I first got the TV I performed the calibration setup guide of the TV itself and found I was choosing options which seemed nice to the eye but were actually too bright. I then inputted these following options;

contrast 88

brightness 48

colour 50

sharpness 4

Pixel Perfect HD ON

100mhz - Minimum

All other options turned off.

and I havent changed it since and found them very easy on the eye giving great PQ, nice contrast and brightness levels which don't strain the eye after lengthy viewing. I've even left the 100Hz option off at times unless I'm watching footy as I found that the picture generation was too much when just viewing normal shows and then turned it on watching sport only. Once again, its personal preference and what could be nice for ones eyes is terrible for the other so treat it as just a guide. I don;t know why the person who displayed those settings chose those exact settings either but they seemed to work for him and me also. Good luck!

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ToolTime,

I actually found a set of settings on another Philips TV forum for the previous model. When I first got the TV I performed the calibration setup guide of the TV itself and found I was choosing options which seemed nice to the eye but were actually too bright. I then inputted these following options;

contrast 88

brightness 48

colour 50

sharpness 4

Pixel Perfect HD ON

100mhz - Minimum

All other options turned off.

and I havent changed it since and found them very easy on the eye giving great PQ, nice contrast and brightness levels which don't strain the eye after lengthy viewing. I've even left the 100Hz option off at times unless I'm watching footy as I found that the picture generation was too much when just viewing normal shows and then turned it on watching sport only. Once again, its personal preference and what could be nice for ones eyes is terrible for the other so treat it as just a guide. I don;t know why the person who displayed those settings chose those exact settings either but they seemed to work for him and me also. Good luck!

At first blush these seem pretty good.

Had a hiccup while I was doing this. Primes HD channel decided to disappear, put me into a tizz for a moment, when I quit the setup to find a blank screen.

All other channels are OK. The problem is with the broadcaster, proved it by separate device.

Phew.

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Bing Lee, Pitt St Sydney - $2950 :D for the 47' 9703 model, available from September. Harvey Norman has exclusive sales until then, is what the BL representative said. I told him that HN were able to offer me it at $3150 :lol: .. that's the only haggling I did B)

I am awaiting a call next week from BL to go through with this sale :rolleyes:

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I don't want to spend as much as $3,000 on a set, but the local Good Guys, at Rockingham (WA) advertised model (Philips) 42PFL5603D for $1998. I checked with Harvey Norman who tell me that recommended retail is $1999 which makes that a phenomenal whole dollar off RRP. Harvey Norman's starting phone price was $1799 (with stock on hand). I am told that this is a new release model only out for about a week.

My only exposure to Philips was an a portable colour TV about 35 years ago and it was nothing but trouble for me, but than, there is no comparison and maybe its about time I forgave them for that lemon.

Can anyone give me any feedback on product quality generally and on the model quoted specifically as I am seriously considering buying something and this sounds like it could be a good buy.

Product info is available at; http://www.consumer.philips.com/consumer/e...V+42PFL5603D-79

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I don't want to spend as much as $3,000 on a set, but the local Good Guys, at Rockingham (WA) advertised model (Philips) 42PFL5603D for $1998. I checked with Harvey Norman who tell me that recommended retail is $1999 which makes that a phenomenal whole dollar off RRP. Harvey Norman's starting phone price was $1799 (with stock on hand). I am told that this is a new release model only out for about a week.

RRPs are quoted here http://hdtvprices.pbwiki.com/ but were from a review article pre-August so could have changed by now.

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After a bit of research, I have found that the Philips 47 PFL9703D/79 can be had for around $2870, without much haggling.

This price will reduce even more as the new 2008-9 Sony and Samsung range get into the market.

For info, the Philips range are now in the GG Stores, and HN now only has the 42 inch exclusiveity...

So with three retailers now having access,good competition should help everyone.

Also advised that there is another Philips model on the way.... dont know what but.

bax

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Following my earlier post, I ended up buying a (Philips) 42PFL5603D LCD, I paid $1,700 for it at Good Guys. The peripherals (Topfield 5000 PVR, LG HD PVR, NEC DVD, Sony Tuner/Amp) all hooked in without any drama. We get a fantastic picture and are very pleased with the result.

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Hi guys, hoping for some advice. Firstly i was sold on the XBR 46" as it was a good deal, then after looking at philips (online) and having had a ambilight 32" for 4 years i started thinking the 47PFL9632D was the way to go.

....until a user on this forum told me it was a discontinued model (although i have found it in a local store) and that i should be looking at the 47PFL9703D which i checked out online and can't say the reviews i've read have been too good...

what do you all think? If given the choice between the following what would be the go??

47PFL9632D - discontinued 47" philips with ambilight

47PFL9703D - new 47" philips with 1080p

KDL46XBR - sony 46"

HELP ... i'm a little over my head with this but don't want to make the wrong call!

thanks very much in advance.

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Make no mistake the discontinued model is simply obsolete. The 47PFL9703D - new 47" philips with 1080p is their latest and greatest. At the above price of $2,800 its a ripper.

Its going to have real competition once the new XBR's start rolling in and of course the higher end Samsungs.

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i'm doing exactly what i did last night (reading through this forum) and do think the 47PFL9703D is the way forward... :D

Gotta go have a chat to bing lee sydney, see if i can manage that $2950 or even better, that $2800....

i'd be absolutely shocked if they do it....

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If you can get the 47PFL9703D for under $3,000 then your laughing. It's actually encouraging to see how much the prices have dropped on the really big screens in the last year or so. Wasn't that long ago that you wouldn't have got much change from $6,000 for the top end large screen LCD's & Plasmas.

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Hi,

well, our Philips CRT tv died the other day. It's at least 8 years old, so you can imagine the jaw-dropping that went on when I visited my local Harvey Norman tv area! In those short 8 years tvs have changed somewhat!! Some are as big as walls! Well, I went home and did some research - obviously it was needed. Nothing like JIT knowledge. I liked the idea of 100hz - an extra, interpolated frame inserted between each of the 50 frames displayed per second - I can understand how that effects motion, particularly at the resolution the new tvs boast! Next, I had to come to terms with the sheer size of the screens! Unbelievable! I saw in my research that 32" is considered small these days - let me tell you, we brought one of our old 30cm (or so) CRTs out of a bedroom to watch while we debated what to do about a new tv - that is small. Let me tell you, 32" is NOT small!

So, after all the research, I headed over to the Philips section of my local HN and bought a lovely 32" 32PFL7403D. It is a dream. I never knew that picture quality could be so good. I turn the 100hz feature off for the footy, but it's on all the rest of the time. You guys arguing about blackness, I know it's relative, but today's screens are far and away better than what we had - CRT. Simply phenomenal.

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Following my earlier post, I ended up buying a (Philips) 42PFL5603D LCD,We get a fantastic picture and are very pleased with the result.

I thought I would mention that , having used the machine for a few days now, one minor irritation showed up, sound bars across the screen, annoying enough to be a nuisance. This was easily resolved through the menu section by resetting the picture's "noise reduction" function through the menu.

Since than I have updated the set's software, the picture's noise reduction is back to medium and the noise bars are gone so that (minor) problem appears to have been resolved by updating the TV's firmware.

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