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Has anyone actually laid eyes on the latest Philips LCDs that were supposedly released at the start of the month? I'm Sydney northside and have had blank looks at the local electrical stores and also no indication of pricing.

Is it usual for there to be much of a lag time between release date and stock arriving/pricing info being available?

Finally can anyone verify whether or not these actually come with a built in HD Tuner as the product specs make no mention of it. I have been waiting with a sense of great anticipation for these TVs but if there's no HD tuner I would be pretty bummed as I thought we could reasonably expect this would be a standard feature these days.

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Has anyone actually laid eyes on the latest Philips LCDs that were supposedly released at the start of the month? I'm Sydney northside and have had blank looks at the local electrical stores and also no indication of pricing.

Is it usual for there to be much of a lag time between release date and stock arriving/pricing info being available?

Finally can anyone verify whether or not these actually come with a built in HD Tuner as the product specs make no mention of it. I have been waiting with a sense of great anticipation for these TVs but if there's no HD tuner I would be pretty bummed as I thought we could reasonably expect this would be a standard feature these days.

Cheers.

The new models should be out in July, Adman - as a salesman was informing me when I was looking to purchase the 47" Philips.. apparently they had a set to play around with.. upgrade model with 120hz, 2m/s response time, no ambilight, new look..

I would imagine that the HD tuner would be inbuilt given that the existing ones do..

Hope the info helps.

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The new models should be out in July, Adman - as a salesman was informing me when I was looking to purchase the 47" Philips.. apparently they had a set to play around with.. upgrade model with 120hz, 2m/s response time, no ambilight, new look..

I would imagine that the HD tuner would be inbuilt given that the existing ones do..

Hope the info helps.

Hi Guys,

Just bought myself the new Philips 47PFL9703D today and it looks superb to say the least. Our aussie models come with 100Hz because we're on a 50Hz frequency or something, which I'm not fully technical with, so all this technology does is double the frequency so if we're on 50, it doubles it to 100, if other countries are on 60Hz, then they're on 120Hz and so on. I've researched, read, played with, and came to the conclusion that this TV is the best on the market at this point in time. It doesn;t have Ambi-Light which I don;t really mind about because the design looks great as it is. Awesome specs, nothing can beat it on the market today, and it looks simply stunning, I don;t know how else to describe it. I'm just glad I held off because I nearly bought the 42" as it came out firstly and I wasn;t sure how far behind the 47" was as I was ready to buy now, but thank god I did because this size is perfect.

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Hi Guys,

Just bought myself the new Philips 47PFL9703D today and it looks superb to say the least. Our aussie models come with 100Hz because we're on a 50Hz frequency or something, which I'm not fully technical with, so all this technology does is double the frequency so if we're on 50, it doubles it to 100, if other countries are on 60Hz, then they're on 120Hz and so on. I've researched, read, played with, and came to the conclusion that this TV is the best on the market at this point in time. It doesn;t have Ambi-Light which I don;t really mind about because the design looks great as it is. Awesome specs, nothing can beat it on the market today, and it looks simply stunning, I don;t know how else to describe it. I'm just glad I held off because I nearly bought the 42" as it came out firstly and I wasn;t sure how far behind the 47" was as I was ready to buy now, but thank god I did because this size is perfect.

I bought the 52PFL9432d/79. It's a very nice tv and when compared to all other LCD came out on top. Buoght from HN and the staff member showed me a demo disc to demonstrate the natural motion function. It's amazing, so smooth compared to the others.

The only thing people need to be aware of is that the 52 is not 100hz, which is contrary to what I was told in the shop. Don't think it matters though, and I wanted something which was this big :)

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I bought the 52PFL9432d/79. It's a very nice tv and when compared to all other LCD came out on top. Buoght from HN and the staff member showed me a demo disc to demonstrate the natural motion function. It's amazing, so smooth compared to the others.

The only thing people need to be aware of is that the 52 is not 100hz, which is contrary to what I was told in the shop. Don't think it matters though, and I wanted something which was this big :)

Jom,

As long as you're happy then thats the main thing. You're the one watching it everyday so don't let anyone tell ya otherwise. I've found looking for a tele frustrating as hell and most of it is because of listening to other peoples POV and everyones is different.

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A real pity it doesn't have ambilight. One of my favourite features (apart for the fantastic PQ) on my 50" Philips Plasma.

It is strange that Phillips have dropped Ambilight in Australia. In the UK the 9703 and 9603 have it, but Phillips tell me that it is not planned to have Ambilight here.

What did the 47PFL9703D cost?

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It is strange that Phillips have dropped Ambilight in Australia. In the UK the 9703 and 9603 have it, but Phillips tell me that it is not planned to have Ambilight here.

What did the 47PFL9703D cost?

Fred,

Its hard to give you an exact figure because it was all done through insurance anyway. Prices werent in RRP when negotiating at the time. :)

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Hi Gazman. How much did you get the 47PFL9703D for, and where did you buy from that had stock?

McSpidey,

Harvey Norman Nunawading was who looekd after mine but I'm guessing many stores would already have them but just keeping them off the floors whilst they try and get rid of older stock.

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Ladies and gents,

Its been exactly 6 days since I've received my 47PFL9703D and have been watching FTA, DVD, SD foxtel, FTA footy and so forth and I'm still blown away by the quality. You simply can't judge any TV's picture quality by the way the stores set the Tv's up and the quality of their reception and also the load on their reception. I've had friends and family walk in and their jaws drop at how fantastic this picture quality is. In terms of the plastic shroud, then thats personal opinion and no one can argue with that. I personally like it and I think it looks elegant, stylish and sexy but looking at some of the other designs eg. LG scarlet range, I've had freinds drool over their design and the huge ring at the bottom wheras I totally hate it and think its ugly. Whether its a dust collector frame, I can't say just yet but whether it is or not I don;t really mind because isn;t everything a dust collector sitting out? Very happy camper thus far :)

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It is strange that Phillips have dropped Ambilight in Australia. In the UK the 9703 and 9603 have it, but Phillips tell me that it is not planned to have Ambilight here.

What did the 47PFL9703D cost?

Just saw the 42PFL9900D in Hardly Normal today. It had Ambilight. Cost from memory was in the $3000 and then some + range.

Also saw the 42PFL7403D alongside it. No Ambilight approx cost $2600 +.

I was going to ask if anyone had had any experience with the ambilight offering. My first impression it was very intrusive. Maybe it can be configured at a lower output.

Also if there was any comment on the 2 models and their capabilities.

But just in case someone has seen these. Any comment?

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Grampus,

Those 2 models are great but I would sway more towards the 7403 basically due to the better specs although very much similar. Also, I was a fan of the ambilight on the 9632 models where they were at the back but to have a light all around my screen is a bit extreme for my liking. If I was you though, check out the 42PFL9703D and experience the 2ms and 17-bit clolour processor difference. Its a gorgeous TV. Good luck in ya search.

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Just saw the 42PFL9900D in Hardly Normal today. It had Ambilight. Cost from memory was in the $3000 and then some + range.

Also saw the 42PFL7403D alongside it. No Ambilight approx cost $2600 +.

I was going to ask if anyone had had any experience with the ambilight offering. My first impression it was very intrusive. Maybe it can be configured at a lower output.

Also if there was any comment on the 2 models and their capabilities.

But just in case someone has seen these. Any comment?

I have Ambilight and love it - but don't think I would pay $500 more. I would spend the $500 to go part way to upgrading my sound system.

My ambilight has many different settings - although I leave it in auto as it dims automatically and changes colour how I like it.

No idea on the PQ of the different models.

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Grampus,

Those 2 models are great but I would sway more towards the 7403 basically due to the better specs although very much similar. Also, I was a fan of the ambilight on the 9632 models where they were at the back but to have a light all around my screen is a bit extreme for my liking. If I was you though, check out the 42PFL9703D and experience the 2ms and 17-bit clolour processor difference. Its a gorgeous TV. Good luck in ya search.

The sales pitch I had was that they had got rid of the 9703, and these 2 models were the newest and greatest. (naturally).

The 9900 in its brochure makes a big point of a "perfect Pixel HD processor" which tries to enhance the PQ from all sources, who knows if that real or just sales gimmick.

I did notice that they both have a 3ms response time. But maybe the 100hz helps picture motion along.

I'll have a rummage around other shops and see if I can find the 9703

Thks for the advice

Oh, yes, I did think the light all around was extreme as well. But now I see that it is user selectable, i'll see if I can get a demo.

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Grampus,

Although the prices have come down heaps and its a perfect time to be buying, you have to also be careful if you're not in the know with the models and products that you get caught with sales guys trying to clear out and make some money on old stock. The 9703 model has just come out with the 47' only being in warehouses, not shop floors, as early as 2 weeks ago if not last week so it can't be old stock. They've only just started bringing the 47" into the shop floors now. Its also confusing trying to remember all the different models too so make sure you visit the websites and printout the model leaflets and write down the prices according to where. It seems a bit full on but I've been researching for months and if I was planning to invest a max of 4K on a long term TV then I wanted to know I was buying the best I could get for my money. I'll say again, if you were to buy now then the Philips is the best tele on the market today. If you wait until the end of the year, we'll see what Sony brings out to compete. The only other close 2nd would be the Sammy 6 series but I'm not a big fan of piano black finishes. Anyway, I'm just glad my headaches of looking are over and can sit back and enjoy it. Cheers!

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Grampus,

Although the prices have come down heaps and its a perfect time to be buying, you have to also be careful if you're not in the know with the models and products that you get caught with sales guys trying to clear out and make some money on old stock. The 9703 model has just come out with the 47' only being in warehouses, not shop floors, as early as 2 weeks ago if not last week so it can't be old stock. They've only just started bringing the 47" into the shop floors now. Its also confusing trying to remember all the different models too so make sure you visit the websites and printout the model leaflets and write down the prices according to where. It seems a bit full on but I've been researching for months and if I was planning to invest a max of 4K on a long term TV then I wanted to know I was buying the best I could get for my money. I'll say again, if you were to buy now then the Philips is the best tele on the market today. If you wait until the end of the year, we'll see what Sony brings out to compete. The only other close 2nd would be the Sammy 6 series but I'm not a big fan of piano black finishes. Anyway, I'm just glad my headaches of looking are over and can sit back and enjoy it. Cheers!

Thanks for the heads up.

I've just ordered a 9703 after reading up on the specs and listening to some advice.

Hardly Normal are out of stock in my area, but are sourcing one from another store.

Good Guys are out and promised to ring back with an ETA, no response from them so far.

But HN have rung Philips and have been advised September before new shipments arrive.

Or so they say.

I've been a fan of Philips for some time, as you can see from my signature, I've had that one for over 6 years now.

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Thanks for the heads up.

I've just ordered a 9703 after reading up on the specs and listening to some advice.

Hardly Normal are out of stock in my area, but are sourcing one from another store.

Good Guys are out and promised to ring back with an ETA, no response from them so far.

But HN have rung Philips and have been advised September before new shipments arrive.

Or so they say.

I've been a fan of Philips for some time, as you can see from my signature, I've had that one for over 6 years now.

What did you pay? Did you haggle the price down ?

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What did you pay? Did you haggle the price down ?

I suspect I'll get jumped on by all 'n sundry.

But $2750.

GG Narre Warren quoted 2899 with "some off for cash"

One HN Cranbourne quoted 2750,

the HN Wonthaggi matched it.

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Grampus,

$2750 isnt too bad buddy since they're advertised for $2999 brand new on the market. As time goes on its always gonna be able to come down with bargaining power but you would have apreciated months of viewing pleasure by then. You're gonna love it!

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You simply can't judge any TV's picture quality by the way the stores set the Tv's up and the quality of their reception and also the load on their reception. I've had friends and family walk in and their jaws drop at how fantastic this picture quality is.

When I first came across one on the shop floor, I was very impressed with the PQ (and the specs). But then, looking closer into it, I started to notice the disappointing black levels and poor viewing angles. You're pretty much restricted to a straight-on viewing sweet spot.

It may have the best picture/motion processing but...there seems to be way too much backlight bleeding across the whole panel. These were based set on default settings with no tweaking. I've asked a knowledgable HN guy (who I've dealt with many times in the past) and was told not much you can adjust, this has always been a problem with Philips panels compared to other brands.

I was dead-set keen on getting one if it weren't for these 2 issues, everything else seems perfect...

How have you found the black levels and viewing angles? Your input would be much appreciated.

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Just got the 9703 today.

As far as I can see or to my tired old eyes, fantastic PQ.

One minor issue, using HDMI in from my PVR, I found there was an audio delay.

I had my audio going to a receiver direct from the PVR, with the sound on the screen turned down.

Changed it to use the coax audio out from the screen instead. Now its all good.

Lots more playing to come.

Anyone used the Lan connect yet?

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One minor issue, using HDMI in from my PVR, I found there was an audio delay.

I had my audio going to a receiver direct from the PVR, with the sound on the screen turned down.

Fixed that as well. turned off the natural motion processing.

Seems it chews up a bit of time.

Now I can use the receiver properly passing the audio directly from the PVR.

When I had the audio coming from the screen (PVR>HDMI>Screen>Coax>amp digital in) It looks like they don't pass the audio through transparently,

I was sending out 5.1, from the PVR, but it never arrived at the AMP.

More fiddling.

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When I first came across one on the shop floor, I was very impressed with the PQ (and the specs). But then, looking closer into it, I started to notice the disappointing black levels and poor viewing angles. You're pretty much restricted to a straight-on viewing sweet spot.

It may have the best picture/motion processing but...there seems to be way too much backlight bleeding across the whole panel. These were based set on default settings with no tweaking. I've asked a knowledgable HN guy (who I've dealt with many times in the past) and was told not much you can adjust, this has always been a problem with Philips panels compared to other brands.

I was dead-set keen on getting one if it weren't for these 2 issues, everything else seems perfect...

How have you found the black levels and viewing angles? Your input would be much appreciated.

I disagree.

I had a good look at the Philips which was sitting directly next to The Sony X series and noticed that the Sony had a fair bit of back light bleeding and the Philips none.

Maybe the back light bleeding is not the same from ione model to another but this philips definately had none and the black levels were more true on the Philips.

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If the “Ambilight” was on it would hide the black level imperfections, that’s what it is designed to do.

I don’t think Philips make LCD panels, they just buy from other manufactures, so panel performance will be the same as other displays using the same panel.

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If the “Ambilight” was on it would hide the black level imperfections, that’s what it is designed to do.

I don’t think Philips make LCD panels, they just buy from other manufactures, so panel performance will be the same as other displays using the same panel.

Depends on how u look at it.. LG & Phillips co-own the plants... Phillips want to divest a few years back, but seems like they are still together.

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Just got the 9703 today.

As far as I can see or to my tired old eyes, fantastic PQ.

One minor issue, using HDMI in from my PVR, I found there was an audio delay.

I had my audio going to a receiver direct from the PVR, with the sound on the screen turned down.

Changed it to use the coax audio out from the screen instead. Now its all good.

Lots more playing to come.

Anyone used the Lan connect yet?

Well done Grampus. Your HN price for the 42pfl7903 is about right ($2700 from Preston 3 weeks ago + $48 delivery) for a set with a RRP of $3299.

LAN connection is really great with only limitation being the formats accepted by the Philips (mpeg1 or 2, mp3 and jpeg) but then the Beyonwiz can be used for other file (particularly movie) types.

Big advantage of Philips LAN is for jpegs which are instantaneous (compared to the Beyonwiz with its interminable hour glass between slides) so that slideshows are great - can even play music in background through LAN while watching slide show, all set up & run from the couch using the Philips remote.

I have mine connected to a network of Macs through a Linksys router - the suggested media server software (Twonky Media) was quickly dropped in favour of EyeConnect from Elgato. No need for AppleTV or separate media server box at the TV.

Another standout is the quality of free to air broadcasts, even on non-HD digital channels - best I've ever seen - and it is used as a TV set first & foremost.

Upscaling of ordinary dvd's from a Philips 3980 DVD player ($83!) is also excellent. DVD player is HDMI & DivX compatible.

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After haggling at HN, was offered a 47 9703 for $3450 (which seems not too bad) with an extended 2 year warranty on top of the manufacturer's 3 years for $300 (which seems high).

Anyone else have figures for 47 9703 or thoughts on these figures?

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I don't think thats too bad Fred. They're RRP is approx $3,800 isnt it? Thats a fair discount already for new floor stock.

The TV price seems to be not as good as the $2750 that Grampus got for a 42, which is $3300 RRP ($550 off) and $150 pa for extended warranty seems steep.

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I'm not sure the 42 is $3,300 RRP? I saw it at Hardly Normals weeks ago with a sticker price of $2,999 so a discount to $2,750 for a seemingly new Tele seemed a good buy in my mind for Grampus'. From 2999 to 2750 for Grampus and 3450 from 3800 for yours I think you've gotten the better deal if you want to look at it that way but I don;t think you can compare the 2 discounts that way due to other cost factors involved.

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Maybe the back light bleeding is not the same from ione model to another but this philips definately had none and the black levels were more true on the Philips.

I've auditioned the latest (without ambilight) models 42 and 47 (in 2 stores) but they both exhibit the same black levels and poor viewing angles (light bleed when viewed from side-on to panel) problem.

As mentioned before I was very close to getting one given the amazing PQ (FTA and Blueray) but I'm quite surprised current owners seem (choose?) to look past this issue since every salesman I've spoken with agrees this being the case with Philips (LG or othewise) panels despite everything else being excellent.

Would appreciate comments regarding this issue from current owners, thanks.

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G'day Oz,

I've had my 47 for 2 weeks now and sit front and side and havent noticed this bleeding. After your comments the other day, I went home and specifically tried to find what you're meaning but can't seem to see any problems with the picture? What exactly are you meaning and what should I be seeing if sitting on the angle?

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I'm not sure the 42 is $3,300 RRP? I saw it at Hardly Normals weeks ago with a sticker price of $2,999 so a discount to $2,750 for a seemingly new Tele seemed a good buy in my mind for Grampus'. From 2999 to 2750 for Grampus and 3450 from 3800 for yours I think you've gotten the better deal if you want to look at it that way but I don;t think you can compare the 2 discounts that way due to other cost factors involved.

The following is on Phillips website-

"Suggested Retail Prices:

42PFL9703D: $3,299.00 inc. GST

Available: August 2008

47PFL9703D: $3,999.00 inc. GST

Available: August 2008

52PFL9703D: $5,299.00 inc. GST"

However this notice was dated 1 July and the RRP of the 47 seems to have dropped to $3799 now. It may be that the 42 has dropped also, which would make its gap only $350, which is the same as the gap etween $3450 and $3800.

Does anyone know what the current RRPs are?

I did see the wholesale price on the shop computer for the 47 as $2720 (or possibly $2750, I am not sure now) so there is still plenty of profit.

Do you mind saying what you paid for your 47?

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What exactly are you meaning and what should I be seeing if sitting on the angle?

Gazman1973, thanks for your feedback. I'm not quite sure if sitting on an angle would reveal the issue I've tried to describe.

At the shop floor, what I've done is basically look at the panel front-on from standing position then lower myself to roughly sitting position, shift from centre moving from left to right and observing changes in PQ, black levels and viewing angles.

It's when viewed from side-on (left or right) that seems to be the problem. Black level issue is prominent with black bars on widescreen material while light bleed is very noticeable when viewed standing next to and looking side-on across the (width) of panel. You just see this bright light across whole panel giving a greyish tinge to the whole picture.

These were units displayed on default settings. Tried adjusting brightness but didn't seem to help much.

Of course you could argue that no one looks at TV from that angle but the fact remains this same exercise on other panels did not exhibit these problems. It's rather hard to describe but hope it gives you some idea on how I've discovered these issues.

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I've auditioned the latest (without ambilight) models 42 and 47 (in 2 stores) but they both exhibit the same black levels and poor viewing angles (light bleed when viewed from side-on to panel) problem.

As mentioned before I was very close to getting one given the amazing PQ (FTA and Blueray) but I'm quite surprised current owners seem (choose?) to look past this issue since every salesman I've spoken with agrees this being the case with Philips (LG or othewise) panels despite everything else being excellent.

Would appreciate comments regarding this issue from current owners, thanks.

ozxplorer

Why would you sit side on to the panel? Like all LCD's, the Philips loses some colour when viewed at an angle of more than 60 degrees with blacks particularly becoming greyish.

From 3 weeks of viewing from a front on position (an arc of plus or minus 30 degrees I see almost no variation in the colours and the blacks are a huge improvement over earlier Philips' models.

The Philips shows no sign of any light bleeding when the panel is predominantly black. This seems very different from Samsung and Sony units with owners on this forum expressing concern about the extent of 'clouding' or light bleed from those panels with posted pictures showing much lighter areas in the top corners.

Re your concern about not being able to adjust the Philips, read the review at 'trustedreviews.com' where the reviewer suggests there is too many options to fiddle with.

Please don't buy a Philips because I'm sure we will never hear the end of it.

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Do these things have a HD tuner. It is hard to find this out from the promotional material. I understand that in Europe the D on the end of the model number stands for "digital" tuner and a H stands for "High Definition" tuner.

Only the D model has arived in Australia I think?

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Why would you sit side on to the panel? Like all LCD's, the Philips loses some colour when viewed at an angle of more than 60 degrees with blacks particularly becoming greyish.

From 3 weeks of viewing from a front on position (an arc of plus or minus 30 degrees I see almost no variation in the colours and the blacks are a huge improvement over earlier Philips' models.

The Philips shows no sign of any light bleeding when the panel is predominantly black. This seems very different from Samsung and Sony units with owners on this forum expressing concern about the extent of 'clouding' or light bleed from those panels with posted pictures showing much lighter areas in the top corners.

Re your concern about not being able to adjust the Philips, read the review at 'trustedreviews.com' where the reviewer suggests there is too many options to fiddle with.

Please don't buy a Philips because I'm sure we will never hear the end of it.

i think one thing that really helps philips is there back light control, i guess it helps to also be on of the biggest flourescet lighting manufactur in the world

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