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Were changes made last night?

We had one program from Bio recorded on the Topfield at 8.30 pm but it was corrupted within the hour + no stations were available - all gave the little red "not available " bar. :ninja:

This morning I reinstalled the Austar STB and had no problems. But reinstalling the card into the Topfield gave no joy, even after rescanning. I even tried another CAM but still no stations.

So, my conclusion is that Austar has cleverly managed to make their card inoperable in anything but their STB or their new Mystar toy. Correct?

Most frustrating. It will not entice me into Mystar but frighten me away from Austar completely into the other service as soon as my contract expires in a month or so.

So, in the meantime it looks like reverting to the old unsatisfactory Austar STB/DVDR setup which requires manual channel change. A PIA but so was having to copy all recordings on the Toppy to secure them. There is still 200 mb of recordings on the Toppy to catch up on eventually so all is not lost except the inconvenience of manual channel changing.

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I had the same problem with my Mediastar and called up Austar. The word is they have made changes to "help stamp out piracy" and as they don't support their cards in third party boxes they aren't worried if that stops the legit cards working in non-Austar boxes. In other words -we want everyone to get a Mystar.

I did notice there are newer cams than the one I've got (purple vers. 2.20). I'm wondering if that might help solve the problem? Anyone know?

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[same here ..............my Mediastar stopped decrypting last night, I wonder if it is just the Austar cards would the gamma cards still work? if so it looks like Austar are just trying to force the genuine subscribers on to Mystar

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Check the piracy bust thread in the Foxtel section.

I did notice there are newer cams than the one I've got (purple vers. 2.20). I'm wondering if that might help solve the problem?

No it will not help.

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Check the piracy bust thread in the Foxtel section.

No it will not help.

Do you mean this one? http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=65354

One thread made reference to Austech forum discussions but Googling did not find it.

Last August Crikey had an article heralding changes were likely http://www.crikey.com.au/Business/20070806...ming-back-.html

Is there a Topfield forum out there somewhere for satellite PVRs?

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Dr P = 'yes', red warnings are wonderful.

Seems on the face of it to be an encrypted camkey. In one respect its good to know where people stand and this action sends a clear message to Austar subscribers (and to pirate card holders) 'no third party boxes'.

Austech folk say they couldn't kill off the white-card phenomenon, well all of them, but simply encrypted the camkey rendering not the cards, but the boxes, be they CI or embedded encryption units useless. (I heard the 'opentel' up to the change was opening up the provider without a card).

With 5.3 cards you can make them also not CS as was reported in the weeks leading up to all this.

Can't see that many would cancel though, and I'd hope (against hope) folk with third party boxes goto SelecTV/Aurora/FTA etc.

At leat folk know where they stand.

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Frankly speaking Austar is bloody disgrace. I have 2 outlets and hence 2 of their useless stbs....so i can still strain my eyes to see the shockingly inferior and totally unclear picture quality they deliver via the red white yellow analog connection!!!! Wonder if we could mount a class action against Austar (crapstar) for the damage their inferior stbs are causing to our eyesight together with the fact that they are an enforced monopoly - I aint jokin. Please don't anyone bother to suggest an upgrade to Mystar experts say it is "IQ inferior" and a waste of money. And why should we be forced to pay more to get a decent picture anyway? BTW an IQ sub is less expensive that the crapstar sub...go figure that rip off. I have been able to enjoy a superior quality pic using my wonderful Mediastar till yesterday. I can only re-iterate what i've written elsewhere that our prays for Foxtel to take over this fascist rip off go ahead. Selectv couldn't care less what unit u use (but they are not really an option for the vast majority of crapstar subscribers coz they don't deliver the full Foxtel product range we are after)...we are after all paying for a SUBSCIPTION card only coz the stb don't value add anything! It's EXACTLY the same as saying you can only use a GSM card in one particular mobile phone (and where that occurs you get a massive discount) a concept not known by crapstar. Think some contact with the ACCC might be needed as crapstar forces us to pay more that Foxtel for the same product delivered on an inferior stb which causes severe eye strain and headaches and is an enforced monopoly. Any suggestion that this latest crapstar trick is to stop piracy is fallacious. Phone GSM SIM cards don't require a specific hand set to stop piracy. This is just another slap dash lazy cheap crapstar gimmick. And no, there is no Harry Potter magic involved in the production and mainentance of sub cards, the principle is exactly the same as any other GSM/SIM card and to argue otherwise is total baloney. It's a case of feed the dumb masses who know nothing about this "magical satellite wizardry" crap to shut em up. It's a pull the wool over their eyes job. It's time we took action rather than passively sit back paying through the nose for a product clearly is not being delivered in an acceptible manner and form. To be expected to sign up for Mystar to have an acceptible picture quality is extortion.

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Frankly speaking Austar is bloody disgrace. I have 2 outlets and hence 2 of their useless stbs....so i can still strain my eyes to see the shockingly inferior and totally unclear picture quality they deliver via the red white yellow analog connection!!!! Wonder if we could mount a class action against Austar (crapstar) for the damage their inferior stbs are causing to our eyesight together with the fact that they are an enforced monopoly - I aint jokin. Please don't anyone bother to suggest an upgrade to Mystar experts say it is "IQ inferior" and a waste of money. And why should we be forced to pay more to get a decent picture anyway? BTW an IQ sub is less expensive that the crapstar sub...go figure that rip off. I have been able to enjoy a superior quality pic using my wonderful Mediastar till yesterday. I can only re-iterate what i've written elsewhere that our prays for Foxtel to take over this fascist rip off go ahead. Selectv couldn't care less what unit u use (but they are not really an option for the vast majority of crapstar subscribers coz they don't deliver the full Foxtel product range we are after)...we are after all paying for a SUBSCIPTION card only coz the stb don't value add anything! It's EXACTLY the same as saying you can only use a GSM card in one particular mobile phone (and where that occurs you get a massive discount) a concept not known by crapstar. Think some contact with the ACCC might be needed as crapstar forces us to pay more that Foxtel for the same product delivered on an inferior stb which causes severe eye strain and headaches and is an enforced monopoly. Any suggestion that this latest crapstar trick is to stop piracy is fallacious. Phone GSM SIM cards don't require a specific hand set to stop piracy. This is just another slap dash lazy cheap crapstar gimmick. And no, there is no Harry Potter magic involved in the production and mainentance of sub cards, the principle is exactly the same as any other GSM/SIM card and to argue otherwise is total baloney. It's a case of feed the dumb masses who know nothing about this "magical satellite wizardry" crap to shut em up. It's a pull the wool over their eyes job. It's time we took action rather than passively sit back paying through the nose for a product clearly is not being delivered in an acceptible manner and form. To be expected to sign up for Mystar to have an acceptible picture quality is extortion.

Whew, you ARE annoyed!!!

But rather than blame Austar for all this we should blame the pirates. If they had not been taking for free what we have been paying for then maybe the cost might have come down because of the broader subscriber base & we might still have been able to use whatever PVR etc we chose.

But that is history now so it is not much use throwing sand in the sandbox about it all.

Bottom line, it is a business and Austar have been losing money until recently so their charges are not really a rip off. It is a free country - we do not have to subscribe.

However, as I posted above, I'll be shifting across to Select as soon as the contract runs out and will not be joining the Mystar fiasco.

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Seems on the face of it to be an encrypted camkey

All I'll say on this subject, for a few weeks, is 'look further than camkeys'.

In one respect its good to know where people stand and this action sends a clear message to Austar subscribers (and to pirate card holders) 'no third party boxes'.

As has been pointed out numerous times already, Austars T&C left no room for any lack of understanding. Thou shalt not. How much clearer could Austar have made it? :unsure:

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so i can still strain my eyes to see the shockingly inferior and totally unclear picture quality they deliver via the red white yellow analog connection!!!!

All Austar STBs have svideo outputs as well as composite. Perhaps you should consider using the svideo output.

Any suggestion that this latest crapstar trick is to stop piracy is fallacious.

No matter how you contest it there is significantly less piracy of Austar going on today than there was yesterday, so perhaps not as fallacious as you suggest. :o

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...so i can still strain my eyes to see the shockingly inferior and totally unclear picture quality they deliver via the red white yellow analog connection!!!!

1. S-Video is available on most boxes, as Dr. P has said. Hell, my grandfather's old Omega has one!

2. I've always watched Austar through Composite video connected to the VCR, then to teh telly through both RF and Composite, and notice no picture degredation on the RF unless the Victorian antenna is being used. I have no idea why you're whinging, I've never seen any difference whatsoever between composite and component anyway.

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1. S-Video is available on most boxes, as Dr. P has said. Hell, my grandfather's old Omega has one!

2. I've always watched Austar through Composite video connected to the VCR, then to teh telly through both RF and Composite, and notice no picture degredation on the RF unless the Victorian antenna is being used. I have no idea why you're whinging, I've never seen any difference whatsoever between composite and component anyway.

Differences will show up on some systems & displays. The scaled up video using the (now useless) Toppy 500 has been excellent on most material (and not so good on inferior material) and that was using component out (converted RGB). But the PQ was just as good from s-video -> DVDR -> component etc. So IMHO s-video is better than composite - it all depends on both the following processing and the display being used (in our case the signal -> iScan VP50 pro -> Sony VW200 projector via HDMI).

Horses for courses (and its looking like an old Grey mare at the moment).

Got to go

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Mystar box is ****

LET US USE OUR OWN AUSTAR

I've never seen the reason why people want to use 3rd Party decoders. I like the MyStar (we're one of the lucky few, or lucky one, who don't have to restart it often), and wouldn't give it up for all the chocolate in the space-time continuum. Granted it has it's flaws, but, then again, pretty much everything has flaws.

And besides, on 3rd party boxes, you have problems such as these and the fact you can't get the Weather Active, etc., stuff would annoy me. And besides, the boxes they give you are free. Why fork out for something that does the job competently?

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Why fork out for something that does the job competently?

The day that 'competently' can be truely applied to one of Austar's boxes is the day that I will agree with you.

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The day that 'competently' can be truely applied to one of Austar's boxes is the day that I will agree with you.

I define a competent Austar box as one that descrambles the channels and spits them out to the television. My old Omega did that, and my Mystar does that as well.

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I've never seen the reason why people want to use 3rd Party decoders. I like the MyStar (we're one of the lucky few, or lucky one, who don't have to restart it often), and wouldn't give it up for all the chocolate in the space-time continuum. Granted it has it's flaws, but, then again, pretty much everything has flaws.

And besides, on 3rd party boxes, you have problems such as these and the fact you can't get the Weather Active, etc., stuff would annoy me. And besides, the boxes they give you are free. Why fork out for something that does the job competently?

What do you mean free' They want $50 install and $15/month.

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What do you mean free' They want $50 install and $15/month.

<bangs head on table>

Okay, the standard decoders are free(ish). the Mystar they want you to pay for. Stupid me!

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All I'll say on this subject, for a few weeks, is 'look further than camkeys'.

DrP are you hinting it may be a 2 way marriage thing with the card? I cant see that for a couple of reasons.

my two austar cards, chucky and spongebob are both 4.1s which can not be two way married, 5.x yes, 4.1 no, and neither give pics in any of my third party boxes, all but the humax and topfield give a black screen, the humax and topfield say scrambled dispite showing EMM and ECMs being updated in the Cam status.

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I define a competent Austar box as one that descrambles the channels and spits them out to the television. My old Omega did that, and my Mystar does that as well.

I define 'competent' as works properly. Safe to say that none of Austar's boxes actually work properly. Bugs of all types abound and lets not forget that regular automated restart to try to keep a lid on things either. Oh and its best you don't mention the mystar when it comes to 'competent' operation. ;)

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What do you mean free' They want $50 install and $15/month.

Some of the people here could earn alot more than $15 a month if they were paid to post to this forum - all of our contributions individually could earn about $15 a month if we were all paid to post. :rolleyes:

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I define a competent Austar box as one that descrambles the channels and spits them out to the television. My old Omega did that, and my Mystar does that as well.

Good for sheep, yes.

But third party boxes, such as those used folk who take the card and use them in caravans etc when on hols (some along with Aurora too), will now have to lug the 'boxy' Austar decoder with them. No Signal or Quality meter for setting the dish, just BER etc that mum n pops simply do not savvy.

Then the PVR set such as myself I guess (Toppy PVR4000/5000-Mediastar, and thats not the Mediastar that upscales via HDMI btw, but its sister 'basic' PVR) used these waaaaayyyy before MyStar came along, these are much better products and whilst not usable for 'ACTIVE' and not that that is a big deal in my view, but are NOT simply restricted to the one provider, but opened up a whole new world of viewing from Al Jazeera International on the same satellite that carries Foxtel/Austar/Aurora, to multitudes of other chanels (Incl niche) on both C band and Ku;

VOA TV, NOW, Channel News Asia, NASA TV, Russia Today, Press TV Iran, News feeds unedited, English language Saudi channel, Arirang TV, Afghan and Iraqi channels, Indonesian channels, China's CCTV's, NOW TV, English Movie Channel on T18, heck- even X porn if you wanted it etc and so on. Even a few FTA high def IF you have a DVB-S2 receiver.

As much as I'd like to think folk would backlash and cancel, I'd accept only a small portion of folk used the boxes and would retaliate by cancelling. The provider banks on that of course.

But as we know, they have deliberately done this to kill off the piracy white-card phenomenon, but the move restricts trade to an effect, even though T&C's prohibit so.

SelecTV is the only domestic 'pay' option now, but they are consumer friendly and need support. Aurora is of course a one off fee.

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Good for sheep, yes.

But third party boxes, such as those used folk who take the card and use them in caravans etc when on hols (some along with Aurora too), will now have to lug the 'boxy' Austar decoder with them. No Signal or Quality meter for setting the dish, just BER etc that mum n pops simply do not savvy.

Then the PVR set such as myself I guess (Toppy PVR4000/5000-Mediastar, and thats not the Mediastar that upscales via HDMI btw, but its sister 'basic' PVR) used these waaaaayyyy before MyStar came along, these are much better products and whilst not usable for 'ACTIVE' and not that that is a big deal in my view, but are NOT simply restricted to the one provider, but opened up a whole new world of viewing from Al Jazeera International on the same satellite that carries Foxtel/Austar/Aurora, to multitudes of other chanels (Incl niche) on both C band and Ku;

VOA TV, NOW, Channel News Asia, NASA TV, Russia Today, Press TV Iran, News feeds unedited, English language Saudi channel, Arirang TV, Afghan and Iraqi channels, Indonesian channels, China's CCTV's, NOW TV, English Movie Channel on T18, heck- even X porn if you wanted it etc and so on. Even a few FTA high def IF you have a DVB-S2 receiver.

As much as I'd like to think folk would backlash and cancel, I'd accept only a small portion of folk used the boxes and would retaliate by cancelling. The provider banks on that of course.

But as we know, they have deliberately done this to kill off the piracy white-card phenomenon, but the move restricts trade to an effect, even though T&C's prohibit so.

SelecTV is the only domestic 'pay' option now, but they are consumer friendly and need support. Aurora is of course a one off fee.

I think you guys have already elaborated why you like to use 3rd party boxes for Austar. Its easier to post links to those rather than re-typing the reasons why again don't you think?

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I think you guys have already elaborated why you like to use 3rd party boxes for Austar. Its easier to post links to those rather than re-typing the reasons why again don't you think?

Sweet Jesus Oh Glorious Satan; for me its much faster to type in diect response than going on a search to yield various results, and to then direct fella to which portion of each! No need to quote my whole post again, but thanks anyway:-)

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Sweet Jesus Oh Glorious Satan; for me its much faster to type in diect response than going on a search to yield various results, and to then direct fella to which portion of each! No need to quote my whole post again, but thanks anyway:-)

if your reason is as good as your spelling and grammar, i can understand ;-) *only stirring matey!*

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You can hardly blame Austar for doing the only thing they could possibly do to stop the pirated cards from working. To anybody we forked out on a third party STB you knew the risks before you bought it. Sure in a perfect world it would be an open system which you could use whatever, however its not and Austar never said it was. If you want open subscribe to SelecTV, if Austar wants to add things to their stream to make it impossible to use a pirated card its their choice. That's one of the reasons they don't let people use third party equipment.

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You can hardly blame Austar for doing the only thing they could possibly do to stop the pirated cards from working. To anybody we forked out on a third party STB you knew the risks before you bought it. Sure in a perfect world it would be an open system which you could use whatever, however its not and Austar never said it was. If you want open subscribe to SelecTV, if Austar wants to add things to their stream to make it impossible to use a pirated card its their choice. That's one of the reasons they don't let people use third party equipment.

You just have to LOVE to death the moronic apologists for Crapstar! How much are they getting paid for the verbiage they spew out in defence of the indefensible! Let's get the facts straight! 1) Crapstar is nothing but a rebadger of Foxtel 2) for those of us who pay MORE for the Crapstar full service than subscibers of Foxtel with an IQ (and yes I am one of them too, so don't bother disputing facts, I also have an apartment in Sydney with that susbcription service!) it is a disgrace that Crapstar charge what they do for the piece of crap they call a decoder it is analog RCA output only and don't bother suggesting S-video is an improvement it's NOT. 3) Selectv do not seem to have a) any problems with 3rd party decoders or B) with alleged piracy problems, so why is poor Crapstar the only target? 4) for those of us who do not have access to terrestrial TV and need to buy Aurora cards and therefore run two fully PAID for subscription service cards for use on Optus C1 - WHY THE BLOODY HELL MUST WE RUN 2 DECODER BOXES to protect Crapstar's bottom line? I have been able to run 2 sub cards in a Mediastar decoder upscaled to HDMI with SPDIF till 14:30 22/4/8. Now like the demise of the Concorde I am FORCED backwards by Crapstar to a barely watchable analog pic with crap sound! And please don't seriously suggest MyStar - all the reviews bag it....so WHY CAN'T CRAPSTAR GET IT'S SH*T TOGETHER AND ISSUE SUB CARDS THAT WILL WORK IN 3RD PARTY DECODERS???? The Aurora channels including MSCM, Imparja. GWN and WIN can lock down their sub cards to 3rd party decoders! So it is possible. Ok you Crapstar apologists who seem to have a pathelogical urge to try an suffocate logic with your endless and totally unasked for nay saying. Butt out of this debate unless you have been using 3rd party decoders. This forum is for supporters of DIGITAL TV not analog crap. Have I made myself clear enough, go foul someone else "sand pit"!

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What a lot of dribble, and I'm no supporter of Austar/Foxtel/Optus.

it is a disgrace that Crapstar charge what they do for the piece of crap they call a decoder it is analog RCA output only and don't bother suggesting S-video is an improvement it's NOT.

It is. A significant increase in picture quality can be obtained by using it, even taking Foxtel's woeful picture quality into account.

Selectv do not seem to have a) any problems with 3rd party decoders or B) with alleged piracy problems, so why is poor Crapstar the only target?

'gamma' cards for Select are available, they just aren't as popular compared to the ones for Austar because select has a lot less programming .. and a lot of what they do have isn't that interesting and select is comparatively 'cheap'*

4) for those of us who do not have access to terrestrial TV and need to buy Aurora cards and therefore run two fully PAID for subscription service cards for use on Optus C1 - WHY THE BLOODY HELL MUST WE RUN 2 DECODER BOXES to protect Crapstar's bottom line?

Aurora is NOT a subscription service. There is a one off activation fee and from then on it is $0 cost to the viewer. You could ask why Foxtel doesn't supply viewers in WA with an Irdeto compatible box so they can use it to watch Aurora as well. :rolleyes:

If you are going to launch into a rant, at least try to be factual about it. Perhaps the reality of your situation has come crashing down around you after you realised that your 'action' against Austar with the ACCC is doomed to failure. There was no breach of any regulations by Austar WRT to disabling 3rd party equipment.

Of course if your intent was to troll, then you are an idiot.

*its still not value for money

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What a lot of dribble, and I'm no supporter of Austar/Foxtel/Optus.

It is. A significant increase in picture quality can be obtained by using it, even taking Foxtel's woeful picture quality into account.

'gamma' cards for Select are available, they just aren't as popular compared to the ones for Austar because select has a lot less programming .. and a lot of what they do have isn't that interesting and select is comparatively 'cheap'*

Aurora is NOT a subscription service. There is a one off activation fee and from then on it is $0 cost to the viewer. You could ask why Foxtel doesn't supply viewers in WA with an Irdeto compatible box so they can use it to watch Aurora as well. :rolleyes:

If you are going to launch into a rant, at least try to be factual about it. Perhaps the reality of your situation has come crashing down around you after you realised that your 'action' against Austar with the ACCC is doomed to failure. There was no breach of any regulations by Austar WRT to disabling 3rd party equipment.

Of course if your intent was to troll, then you are an idiot.

*its still not value for money

No an idiot! But DAMN mad and, as I said people like you obviously don't use the 3rd party equipment, (be suprirsed if you even susbcribe to Austar!) so what makes u feel so profoundly capable of comment on something you clearly know nothing about! Your ignorance exhibits your "idiocy", Austar is being very restrictive in its behaviour and if you are happy to defend them that's your problem, not mine and I will continue to vent, as will ALL other genuine susbcribers who are paying for an inferior product that is NOT available digitally via Austar's standard decoders. You aint gonna weether me down with your waffle. As I said this is a forum for people who actually use and appreciate DIGITAL TV. Do you? if so what equipment are you using, would be nice to know if your even on the same planet!

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But DAMN mad and, as I said people like you obviously don't use the 3rd party equipment, (be suprirsed if you even susbcribe to Austar!) so what makes u feel so profoundly capable of comment on something you clearly know nothing about!

Not only are you incorrect on several points in your 'rant' you are incorrect on those two points too. Are you trying for some sort of record?

If, as you say, Austar is an inferior product why are you still paying for it? Complain about it sure, but if its so bad, send them the only message they will understand and terminate your subscription. All the rest of your rant means zip to Austar.

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No an idiot! But DAMN mad and, as I said people like you obviously don't use the 3rd party equipment, (be suprirsed if you even susbcribe to Austar!) so what makes u feel so profoundly capable of comment on something you clearly know nothing about! Your ignorance exhibits your "idiocy", Austar is being very restrictive in its behaviour and if you are happy to defend them that's your problem, not mine and I will continue to vent, as will ALL other genuine susbcribers who are paying for an inferior product that is NOT available digitally via Austar's standard decoders. You aint gonna weether me down with your waffle. As I said this is a forum for people who actually use and appreciate DIGITAL TV. Do you? if so what equipment are you using, would be nice to know if your even on the same planet!

So easy to create enemies yet so hard to make friends with that sort of waffle don't you think?

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lol forums.....

well I finally got my pvr set up working nice, I have a twinhan sat card and a cam for it, my pvr outputs 720p via hdmi cable to my Panasonic lcd tv and the picture quality is far superior to the standard s-vid, the difference between the two is vast. if you can't see a difference go and see your local eye doctor.

I am also a multi-room subscriber and only have the second box/card to run in my mediacentre/pvr, we shell out around $120 a month (full subscription) for our service and I can tell you right now we will be cancelling our second subscription, we will be cancelling the movie channels as well as most of the other fluff we have subscribed too, and as soon as the footy season is over we will likely cancel the whole lot, not only are we forced to endure more and more advertising on the service we pay for austar seem to want to keep us all locked in the 90's, I wouldn't mind as much if they had a competitive product, a stop into any sat shop will show you austar box's are some of the cheapest crapiest things around, if austar had a box worth having most of us would not be complaining right now.

I only have it for sport, tho the other half likes some programs, but now I have to revert to s-vid on a lcd screen, it's like getting your new nokia replaced with a early '90's "mobile" phone.

We get punished for the pirates, only people penalised are paying subscribers, give it a bit of time and the pirates will be back and all this would be for nought.

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lol forums.....

well I finally got my pvr set up working nice, I have a twinhan sat card and a cam for it, my pvr outputs 720p via hdmi cable to my Panasonic lcd tv and the picture quality is far superior to the standard s-vid, the difference between the two is vast. if you can't see a difference go and see your local eye doctor.

I am also a multi-room subscriber and only have the second box/card to run in my mediacentre/pvr, we shell out around $120 a month (full subscription) for our service and I can tell you right now we will be cancelling our second subscription, we will be cancelling the movie channels as well as most of the other fluff we have subscribed too, and as soon as the footy season is over we will likely cancel the whole lot, not only are we forced to endure more and more advertising on the service we pay for austar seem to want to keep us all locked in the 90's, I wouldn't mind as much if they had a competitive product, a stop into any sat shop will show you austar box's are some of the cheapest crapiest things around, if austar had a box worth having most of us would not be complaining right now.

I only have it for sport, tho the other half likes some programs, but now I have to revert to s-vid on a lcd screen, it's like getting your new nokia replaced with a early '90's "mobile" phone.

We get punished for the pirates, only people penalised are paying subscribers, give it a bit of time and the pirates will be back and all this would be for nought.

While I agree with the general sentiment of your post although I am unlikely to cancel my subscription. If I thought it would change things... well then maybe.

I have an investment in two 3rd party PVRs with legitimate subscription cards for each. The most recent of these PVRs was purchased the week before the "update" and arrived last Monday. Sadly, it died the next day.

I knew the risk that I was taking and so have no one to blame but myself. It is disappointing, however, that Austar can't seem to find a way to defeat pirates without killing off 3rd party decoders.

I'll park the PVRs and watch these (and other) forums for the post that declares a solution is at hand. No doubt someone is working on that solution right now....

The fallback will be the MyStar product when the bugs are (mostly) ironed out. That should be sometime around 2012 LOL.

Stockman

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I define 'competent' as works properly. Safe to say that none of Austar's boxes actually work properly. Bugs of all types abound and lets not forget that regular automated restart to try to keep a lid on things either. Oh and its best you don't mention the mystar when it comes to 'competent' operation. ;)

I agree with both DrP and Keepleft

However, if Austar really wanted to be accommodating they could release a 'CAM and card kit'.

Austar could then completely marry the card and CAM before it left Austar and it could be used in after market receivers with a CI slot. This would allows folks with a Mediastar to still use it.

It would still lock out priates because they sold the 'CAM and card' as a married kit and the CAM would not work with any other card. This would be a compromise on Austars behalf and be an act of good faith.

I doubt it will happen but it would be a work around and they would probably get a lot of extra subscriptions out of it. It would also be a PR bonus for them.

tsd

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I agree with both DrP and Keepleft

However, if Austar really wanted to be accommodating they could release a 'CAM and card kit'.

Austar could then completely marry the card and CAM before it left Austar and it could be used in after market receivers with a CI slot. This would allows folks with a Mediastar to still use it.

It would still lock out priates because they sold the 'CAM and card' as a married kit and the CAM would not work with any other card. This would be a compromise on Austars behalf and be an act of good faith.

I doubt it will happen but it would be a work around and they would probably get a lot of extra subscriptions out of it. It would also be a PR bonus for them.

tsd

Excellent suggestion, but it would go against their Mystar profits so, sadly, would be unlikely to be accepted. But please follow it though and let us know Austar's reaction.

John

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The problem now is if a pirate card came along that worked again I would be for the first time be tempted to get one, obviously trying to be legit and law abiding seems to only get me punished for applying legal readily available technologies in my home.

yeah yeah I know terms of contract yada yada, I would be interested if the people who hold up the T&C as some defence for austar actually follow the T&C of every single device they own or subscribe too, if you do you must have a fairly boring time with them, to me half the fun of technologies is seeing how much of it I get get to work together.

stockman m8, I will be cancelling most of the subscription today sometime, a couple of months ago we got a new decoder off of austar and since they have updated their system the thing locks up every half hour or so and only powering it down or resetting it will just sit there locked up, it has already ruined half a dozen or so recordings, I have gone from a value added product to a product that is barely serviceable.

the 6yo box has no probs.

besides it is not like I can't get the content they broadcast via other means.

Edit: I'd like to point out too while I am at it, I have NO intention of subscribing to mystar, I have a pvr's and I don't need another one in my house.

I have one device to power that does all I need it to do, powering multiple pvr's (one for tv and now one for austar), dvd players, blu ray, mystar, surround sound audio system, 81cm LCD tv, xbox media extender can not be cheap in the long term, add to that the cost of quality cables.

My pvr does all the above (bar the tv, audio amp and xbox) and draws as little power as I can make it, it can turn itself on and off, no going to standby all the time. it saves me money on electricity bills.

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