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Update on new firmware:

Ok - here we go.

Today I got a phone call and was invited to Samsung's head office in Sydney to "see the new firmware". Naturally I dropped everything and headed over :)

The demo room had three LCDs setup. Two were Samsung F 46" LCDs. The third was another very popular competitors brand, lets call it "BRAND-A" for here on in. This BRAND-A is the latest LCD from the competitor, which people in this very thread had suggested as alternatives, so I know we are comparing apples for apples. BRAND-A has a similar technology which also does "motion adjustment" (I believe that is the technical name, but dont quote me on it).

All three TVs were hooked up to a HDMI Amplifier Splitter, which was hooked up to a media unit, all via HDMI. This meant all 3 LCDs were displaying the same picture via the same input method.

As you can probably guess, one of the Samsung LCDs had the 'new' 1012 firmware, while the other LCD had the 'old' 1008 firmware. I picked the new firmware LCD in 3 seconds flat. It was so obvious to me which one had the motion plus adjusted (note: not 'fixed' - more on this later).

Comparing the new firmware to BRAND-A's TV, it was interesting to note that BRAND-A had very similar issues to the old firmware in 1008, yet they were just slightly less obvious. After 1012 the difference was clear, BRAND-A has the "heat haze" and "motion" issues that were in 1008.

We watched a few different scenes from various clips, some were fast moving, some were slow, but to me anyway the motion issues had improved, and I was very happy.

Now, I had a chat to them about the whole issue around Motion Plus and 100Hz. Firstly it is important to note that the F series LCD will always run at 100Hz - regardless of the input and regardless if you set 'Motion Plus' to off. 'Motion Plus' is when the TV attempts to insert frames in between the source, to adjust for the fast moving frames. Part of this insertion of frames was causing the heat artificates to appear. The interesting thing is that the heat artificats are a by product and not a fault of motion adjustment (note - I said 'motion adjustment to mean the industry process of inserting frames, not 'Motion Plus' which is Samsungs name for it).

By changing the way that motion adjustment is processed by the TV, many of the artificats can be removed, at the sacrifice of some motion adjustment. They explained this for about 30mins - so I'm just paraphrasing - but you get the idea.

Now firmware 1012 has not changed the "High" setting of Motion Plus. It will stay exactly as is - on purpose. But "Medium" and "Low" have been greatly adjusted. I was very happy with the Medium setting, and believe this is where my TV will be set.

So - I was fortunate enough to be given firmware 1012 on a USB - which I have sitting beside me and my TV right now. I'm going to run some more tests tonight and let you know how it goes.

In regards to getting firmware 1012 - it will be released hopefully by this weekend (but no promises). Samsung factories have approved the firmware in regards to their QA cycle - so it just has to be signed off locally. I believe that Samsung will give me a link (which I will post here) to an official Samsung website where you can download the firmware (approx 12mb) - that way you know it is 'real'.

please do not call Samsung about the new firmware - the people on the helpdesk do not know anything about this yet - so please do not hassle them - they will just deny it exists!

p.s. please do not ask me to post the firmware here. Honestly - I would love to - but lets just follow the rules. I promise to get the link here ASAP.

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lioannou

if this isn't the best post on here so far I don't know what is. I personally don't really care too much for the motion plus other than it doesn't work properly. I'd much prefer it off. However your insight to Samsung today is totally awesome. Did you perhaps find out why they don't have any firmware available on their main site?

No worries anyway because as you said you will post the link when available.

Thanks again for your clear post

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Update on new firmware:

Ok - here we go.

Today I got a phone call and was invited to Samsung's head office in Sydney to "see the new firmware". Naturally I dropped everything and headed over :)

The demo room had three LCDs setup. Two were Samsung F 46" LCDs. The third was another very popular competitors brand, lets call it "BRAND-A" for here on in. This BRAND-A is the latest LCD from the competitor, which people in this very thread had suggested as alternatives, so I know we are comparing apples for apples. BRAND-A has a similar technology which also does "motion adjustment" (I believe that is the technical name, but dont quote me on it).

All three TVs were hooked up to a HDMI Amplifier Splitter, which was hooked up to a media unit, all via HDMI. This meant all 3 LCDs were displaying the same picture via the same input method.

As you can probably guess, one of the Samsung LCDs had the 'new' 1012 firmware, while the other LCD had the 'old' 1008 firmware. I picked the new firmware LCD in 3 seconds flat. It was so obvious to me which one had the motion plus adjusted (note: not 'fixed' - more on this later).

Comparing the new firmware to BRAND-A's TV, it was interesting to note that BRAND-A had very similar issues to the old firmware in 1008, yet they were just slightly less obvious. After 1012 the difference was clear, BRAND-A has the "heat haze" and "motion" issues that were in 1008.

We watched a few different scenes from various clips, some were fast moving, some were slow, but to me anyway the motion issues had improved, and I was very happy.

Now, I had a chat to them about the whole issue around Motion Plus and 100Hz. Firstly it is important to note that the F series LCD will always run at 100Hz - regardless of the input and regardless if you set 'Motion Plus' to off. 'Motion Plus' is when the TV attempts to insert frames in between the source, to adjust for the fast moving frames. Part of this insertion of frames was causing the heat artificates to appear. The interesting thing is that the heat artificats are a by product and not a fault of motion adjustment (note - I said 'motion adjustment to mean the industry process of inserting frames, not 'Motion Plus' which is Samsungs name for it).

By changing the way that motion adjustment is processed by the TV, many of the artificats can be removed, at the sacrifice of some motion adjustment. They explained this for about 30mins - so I'm just paraphrasing - but you get the idea.

Now firmware 1012 has not changed the "High" setting of Motion Plus. It will stay exactly as is - on purpose. But "Medium" and "Low" have been greatly adjusted. I was very happy with the Medium setting, and believe this is where my TV will be set.

So - I was fortunate enough to be given firmware 1012 on a USB - which I have sitting beside me and my TV right now. I'm going to run some more tests tonight and let you know how it goes.

In regards to getting firmware 1012 - it will be released hopefully by this weekend (but no promises). Samsung factories have approved the firmware in regards to their QA cycle - so it just has to be signed off locally. I believe that Samsung will give me a link (which I will post here) to an official Samsung website where you can download the firmware (approx 12mb) - that way you know it is 'real'.

please do not call Samsung about the new firmware - the people on the helpdesk do not know anything about this yet - so please do not hassle them - they will just deny it exists!

p.s. please do not ask me to post the firmware here. Honestly - I would love to - but lets just follow the rules. I promise to get the link here ASAP.

WOW lioannou - you are the man, the guru for getting called into Samsung Syd Head Office (wish I was there too but I'm way over in heatwave city Adelaide) - hey Samsung, I'm willing to come over if you pay for me to fly over and back etc etc - would love the chance to check the new firmware out and give my views!

But lioannou don't u mean Brand-X (meaning the Sony X3100 and XBR) - lol - they call it Motion Flow - lol - yes, my feeling was that Brand Sony (whoops, I mean Brand-X) had perfected their Motion Flow technology better than Samsung and that explains the difference between their X3100/XBR TVs and Samsung's F81 TVs re Motion Flow/Plus performance.

I note that the Americans' AVS Forum also mentioned that Samsung USA had "fixed" the low to medium settings for Motion Flow but were still working on the High setting - I think that what has happened is that we are now just catching up to the USA in that Samsung have modified the Americans' fix to suit our Aussie F81 TVs (which is fine of course) as it is all identical to what happened in the USA.

So, that explains the "heat haze" issue too and we weren't just making it up or imagining it :-) Now what about fixing the "juddering" effect that you prev mentioned as possibly also being included in the fix - did they say anything about that - I know it's really hard to remember everything in situations you've just been in coz you would have gone there probably with a bit pof apprehension and excitement and trying to ensure you took in as much as you can etc etc:-)

I am really really excited about this - thank you so much for doing this for us all lioannou - you know what, I think Samsung should reward you with another free TV or product that you want:-)

I am sitting here waiting for your next post after you give the new firmware a thorough testing on your TV:-)

Cheers

powerman1

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Did you perhaps find out why they don't have any firmware available on their main site?

Just to clarify - the link I post here will be the link to their main site (or some official Samsung website). They are just getting sign off to officially post it on the website.

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But lioannou don't u mean Brand-X (meaning the Sony X3100 and XBR) - lol - they call it Motion Flow - lol - yes, my feeling was that Brand Sony (whoops, I mean Brand-X) had perfected their Motion Flow technology better than Samsung and that explains the difference between their X3100/XBR TVs and Samsung's F81 TVs re Motion Flow/Plus performance.

lol - I didnt realise Sony was called Brand-X :unsure: It doesnt really matter the brand of "BRAND-A" - except it shows the issue is not directly a Samsung one

I note that the Americans' AVS Forum also mentioned that Samsung USA had "fixed" the low to medium settings for Motion Flow but were still working on the High setting - I think that what has happened is that we are now just catching up to the USA in that Samsung have modified the Americans' fix to suit our Aussie F81 TVs (which is fine of course) as it is all identical to what happened in the USA.

Nope - the fix was created locally. When was the American 'fix' posted? If it was in the past 2 weeks, it's possible our fix was given to them...?

So, that explains the "heat haze" issue too and we weren't just making it up or imagining it :-) Now what about fixing the "juddering" effect that you prev mentioned as possibly also being included in the fix - did they say anything about that - I know it's really hard to remember everything in situations you've just been in coz you would have gone there probably with a bit pof apprehension and excitement and trying to ensure you took in as much as you can etc etc:-)

To be honest - didnt check for juddering, but I didnt notice it either. I'm just about to try it all on my TV now - so I'll post later (either late tonight, or tomorrow when I get to work).

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lol - I didnt realise Sony was called Brand-X :unsure: It doesnt really matter the brand of "BRAND-A" - except it shows the issue is not directly a Samsung one

Nope - the fix was created locally. When was the American 'fix' posted? If it was in the past 2 weeks, it's possible our fix was given to them...?

To be honest - didnt check for juddering, but I didnt notice it either. I'm just about to try it all on my TV now - so I'll post later (either late tonight, or tomorrow when I get to work).

Remember in this thread quite a few pages ago someone said they'd had a good read thru the Americans' AVS Forum and reported in here that due to the huge number of posts in that forum (either 15,000 or 18,000) on the AVS Forum that Samsung USA had got their tech guys working on a fix and had released a fix for the lower settings of their AMP (Auto Motion Plus) as they call it but were still working on a fix for the higher settings (I knew this meant the High setting but cant recall if it also meant the Medium setting) but all I can remember is that due to huge public pressure something was done about it - I'll see if I can find the link again:-)

Cheers

powerman1

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lol - I didnt realise Sony was called Brand-X :unsure: It doesnt really matter the brand of "BRAND-A" - except it shows the issue is not directly a Samsung one

Nope - the fix was created locally. When was the American 'fix' posted? If it was in the past 2 weeks, it's possible our fix was given to them...?

To be honest - didnt check for juddering, but I didnt notice it either. I'm just about to try it all on my TV now - so I'll post later (either late tonight, or tomorrow when I get to work).

I'm just mucking around here lioannou trying to guess if it is the Sony equivalents but like you say it doesn't really matter anyway - all we want/hope is that this f/w 1012 fixes our F81 Motion Plus, Heat Haze and juddering issues :-)

Cheers

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nup my problem is not fixed , in fact its worse than ever now :(

Are you referring to the "reflection moire" effect associated with the Q series?

I have read that it is caused by the Ultra FilterBright system.

This link shows an example (scroll down to screen uniformity section)

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/Samsung-PS50Q97HDX/Benchmark.php

Some people notice it and others don't - I can't confirm it since I have the C series.

Do you have a pic showing your problem?

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Yeah the US one had a fix for the low and medium settings about a month or two ago.

Im assuming they just ported their one over.

Anyways THX lioannou really appreciate what u have done for us and send regards to the samsung blokes for getting a fix out sooner than later.

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To be honest - didnt check for juddering, but I didnt notice it either. I'm just about to try it all on my TV now - so I'll post later (either late tonight, or tomorrow when I get to work).

Hi lioannou,

Thanks for the update.

Once you have applied the new firmware can you please check whether or not the wave reappears. It has been quoted by a couple of people with firmware 1009 that they have noticed a slight wave so it would be great if you could provide us with a review on your newly updated F81 when you get some time.

Thanks,

skouta

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Hi guys,

Well, sorry to disappoint, but I didnt apply the new firmware to my TV last night. I know alot of you are probably saying "omg - why not?"

What I did last night was turn Motion Plus on, to the "medium" setting with the old firmware. I wanted to find a tv show where the issue was occuring, then I was planning on applying the patch, and then continue watching.

I watched Biggest Loser and Underbelly, and I didnt see anything on either of those shows, although I must admit the shows looked awesome! lol...

Anyway - can someone post a TV show that is showing tonight where they think they have seen the issues before?

I've also got Casino Royale on Blueray, which I'm going to test tonight. Does anyone else own that? If so, can you please advise if you had any negative effects with this?

Finally - also to the blueray owners - can you please remind what what issue you had with the 'juddering'? I noticed something about 2 days ago, whereby the Blueray would play fine, but occasionally the frame rate seemed to drop dramatically for 20secs? Is that what you are referring to?

I'm home alone tonight - so this has my full undivided attention :)

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The main issues I've seen at work with this TV is that people seem to teleport and morph when there is a fast moving scene on the High setting. Only tried Blu-Ray though. On Low it isn't as bad but the movement is still far too surreal.

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I think the problem with BluRay was that sometimes it seemed the motion plus processing ould not kep up, leading to frames being dropped and the frame rate "lagging" for want of a better word. Personally i dont use MotionPlus so cant confirm for sure how to view the prolems others were having

But lioannou, since you seem to have "the ear" of the people at Samsung, do you think you could ask them some more technical questions about how the TV displays various input frame rates. And particularly when motion plus is OFF

You said they confirmed that the TV is ALWAYS refreshing at 100Hz, even with MotionPlus OFF (so when motion plus is off, it would just repeat frames to make up to the 100 refreshes a second, rather than try to interpolate/make up frames).

So when MotionPlus is OFF, obviuosly it handles our PAL tv and DVD rates of 25/50 frames per second fine, repeating each frame 4 or 2 times, to make up the 100Hz

But regarding signals of 60fps (eg NTSC, or 1080P/60 output from BluRay) and 24fps (eg 1080P/24 from BluRay) - how does it make those "fit" into 100Hz?

I was hoping that for 60p and 24p content, it would actually go to 120Hz mode (like the equivalent US models are) so that it can repeat each frame twice (2 * 60 = 120) or 5 times (5 * 24 = 120) for smooth playback of those signals. Otherwise it would be doing all sorts of 3:2 pull down or uneven repeating of frames, to fit the 24 and 60 frame material into 100 refreshes per second.

So yeah, anything you could get straight fromt he Samsung tech guys mouths would be very much appreciated!

Also FYI, the info you have given about this firmware update, in that it only tweaks low and medium settings etc, make it sound more and more like the fixes that the US guys got a couple of months ago. Given how quickly Samsung Aus have responded to this issue here (from the point where eople high enough up had been made aware of it, thanks to you!), im sure they didnt "reinvent the wheel" and develop these hanges from scratch... im sure they would have ported the code from the US firmware update into our firmware... it just sounds too similar to what happened in the US for them to have independantly addressed the issues in the same ways

Also if you could ask the Samsung guys about how our set differs to the US models... are there actual hardware hanges for ours to be 100H and theirs to be 120Hz? When you look in the ServiceMenu of our sets there are settings there that refer to "120" so this led may of us to believe that our sets are quite siilar to the US ones, and hoepfully may actualyl work in 100 AND 120Hz modes depending on the signal received

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Hi lioannou,

Thanks for the update.

Once you have applied the new firmware can you please check whether or not the wave reappears. It has been quoted by a couple of people with firmware 1009 that they have noticed a slight wave so it would be great if you could provide us with a review on your newly updated F81 when you get some time.

Thanks,

skouta

Exactly skouta - this new fix causing further probs or re-introducing the "wave" problem is the last thing we want after all we've been through with the range of probs the F81 TVs have had - I'd prob throw my hands up in sheer horror and "give up" on this TV and tell Samsung Head Office I want a refund unless they can gurantee me a new TV that has NO problems as I paid big $ for this TV and it is Samsung's top of the range group of LCD TVs. But, I am ever hopeful and optimistic as I really would like to keep this TV if all works out ok:-)

lioannou - please closely check for any sign of that slight wave (or anything else you can detect that might signify a new prob) as I guess Samsung are also using you as a kind of QA checker on this new firmware - sorry, not trying to be pushy or anything like that - just want to help and offer suggestions that alot of us are prob curious to get answers to:-) Hey Samsung, you can send me the firmware on USB Stick if you like and I'll also test it and report back but I'd want some guarantee that if it caused any probs that you'd have them fixed for me by whatever means it takes.

Cheers

powerman1

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Exactly skouta - this new fix causing further probs or re-introducing the "wave" problem is the last thing we want after all we've been through with the range of probs the F81 TVs have had - I'd prob throw my hands up in sheer horror and "give up" on this TV and tell Samsung Head Office I want a refund unless they can gurantee me a new TV that has NO problems as I paid big $ for this TV and it is Samsung's top of the range group of LCD TVs. But, I am ever hopeful and optimistic as I really would like to keep this TV if all works out ok:-)

Cheers

powerman1

hey powerman..

i have 1009 and i have seen no wave issues with my tv which i have had for hte past 1 month or so..

so im guessing these ppl suffering from the wave problems probably have a faulty panel.

cheers.

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Hi guys,

Well, sorry to disappoint, but I didnt apply the new firmware to my TV last night. I know alot of you are probably saying "omg - why not?"

What I did last night was turn Motion Plus on, to the "medium" setting with the old firmware. I wanted to find a tv show where the issue was occuring, then I was planning on applying the patch, and then continue watching.

I watched Biggest Loser and Underbelly, and I didnt see anything on either of those shows, although I must admit the shows looked awesome! lol...

Anyway - can someone post a TV show that is showing tonight where they think they have seen the issues before?

I've also got Casino Royale on Blueray, which I'm going to test tonight. Does anyone else own that? If so, can you please advise if you had any negative effects with this?

Finally - also to the blueray owners - can you please remind what what issue you had with the 'juddering'? I noticed something about 2 days ago, whereby the Blueray would play fine, but occasionally the frame rate seemed to drop dramatically for 20secs? Is that what you are referring to?

I'm home alone tonight - so this has my full undivided attention :)

when i watched underbelly a few times with motion plus on low/medium... i used to see judder and ghosting appearing objects... not sure why you didnt with your old firmware!!

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Update on new firmware:

Ok - here we go.

Today I got a phone call and was invited to Samsung's head office in Sydney to "see the new firmware". Naturally I dropped everything and headed over :)

The demo room had three LCDs setup. Two were Samsung F 46" LCDs. The third was another very popular competitors brand, lets call it "BRAND-A" for here on in. This BRAND-A is the latest LCD from the competitor, which people in this very thread had suggested as alternatives, so I know we are comparing apples for apples. BRAND-A has a similar technology which also does "motion adjustment" (I believe that is the technical name, but dont quote me on it).

All three TVs were hooked up to a HDMI Amplifier Splitter, which was hooked up to a media unit, all via HDMI. This meant all 3 LCDs were displaying the same picture via the same input method.

As you can probably guess, one of the Samsung LCDs had the 'new' 1012 firmware, while the other LCD had the 'old' 1008 firmware. I picked the new firmware LCD in 3 seconds flat. It was so obvious to me which one had the motion plus adjusted (note: not 'fixed' - more on this later).

Comparing the new firmware to BRAND-A's TV, it was interesting to note that BRAND-A had very similar issues to the old firmware in 1008, yet they were just slightly less obvious. After 1012 the difference was clear, BRAND-A has the "heat haze" and "motion" issues that were in 1008.

We watched a few different scenes from various clips, some were fast moving, some were slow, but to me anyway the motion issues had improved, and I was very happy.

Now, I had a chat to them about the whole issue around Motion Plus and 100Hz. Firstly it is important to note that the F series LCD will always run at 100Hz - regardless of the input and regardless if you set 'Motion Plus' to off. 'Motion Plus' is when the TV attempts to insert frames in between the source, to adjust for the fast moving frames. Part of this insertion of frames was causing the heat artificates to appear. The interesting thing is that the heat artificats are a by product and not a fault of motion adjustment (note - I said 'motion adjustment to mean the industry process of inserting frames, not 'Motion Plus' which is Samsungs name for it).

By changing the way that motion adjustment is processed by the TV, many of the artificats can be removed, at the sacrifice of some motion adjustment. They explained this for about 30mins - so I'm just paraphrasing - but you get the idea.

Now firmware 1012 has not changed the "High" setting of Motion Plus. It will stay exactly as is - on purpose. But "Medium" and "Low" have been greatly adjusted. I was very happy with the Medium setting, and believe this is where my TV will be set.

So - I was fortunate enough to be given firmware 1012 on a USB - which I have sitting beside me and my TV right now. I'm going to run some more tests tonight and let you know how it goes.

In regards to getting firmware 1012 - it will be released hopefully by this weekend (but no promises). Samsung factories have approved the firmware in regards to their QA cycle - so it just has to be signed off locally. I believe that Samsung will give me a link (which I will post here) to an official Samsung website where you can download the firmware (approx 12mb) - that way you know it is 'real'.

please do not call Samsung about the new firmware - the people on the helpdesk do not know anything about this yet - so please do not hassle them - they will just deny it exists!

p.s. please do not ask me to post the firmware here. Honestly - I would love to - but lets just follow the rules. I promise to get the link here ASAP.

Bugger.. woulda been nice to rock on in with some HD material cranking at 100mbps... would have loved to have talked shop with them too...

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"What I did last night was turn Motion Plus on, to the "medium" setting with the old firmware. I wanted to find a tv show where the issue was occuring, then I was planning on applying the patch, and then continue watching

For proper comparison, i woudl reconed you connect the component out to a HD camera (hire one, or give me a call) and record the input. U can probably do it with composite (itll look crap) but anotehr option woudl be to record the screen itself..

then record thesame screen with different settings. (use a tripod)

Run the vidoe through an NLE (editing program) and lay them side by side for a true comparison.

This is the ONLY way to surely know whether its a random thing, or whether its a content issue (ie high detail), stream issue (FTA or cable tv, or BD), bitrate issue (ie stream size from FTA digital or BD) or simply a format colour management issue (mpg2, avchd, vc1) as the nuances of the panel will be directly affected by these variables and colour managements of each codec.

Colour then leads to luma management (and vice versa actually) , which leads to dynamic contrasst processing (ie the contrast is NOT a constant 25k see) therefore the fluctuation of luma will advrsely affect CPU allocation.

That CPU alocation adversley affecsts all other processes within the unit in general, in turn, it could well be that this issue is stemmed from a mismanagement of CPU power/resources

Without knowing WHAT to ask, we wont wont know..

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On a slightly different note while we wait for update 1012:

Can someone post the optimal F81 settings to make Foxtel look decent. I tried the settings previously listed - very good with HDTV broadcasts, but Foxtel on same settings looks murky as buggery.

I have SCART to composite, and I know the quality is 576p but hopefully someone has the settings to make it look reasonable at least.

Thanks

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Update on new firmware:

Ok - here we go.

Today I got a phone call and was invited to Samsung's head office in Sydney to "see the new firmware". Naturally I dropped everything and headed over :)

The demo room had three LCDs setup. Two were Samsung F 46" LCDs. The third was another very popular competitors brand, lets call it "BRAND-A" for here on in. This BRAND-A is the latest LCD from the competitor, which people in this very thread had suggested as alternatives, so I know we are comparing apples for apples. BRAND-A has a similar technology which also does "motion adjustment" (I believe that is the technical name, but dont quote me on it).

All three TVs were hooked up to a HDMI Amplifier Splitter, which was hooked up to a media unit, all via HDMI. This meant all 3 LCDs were displaying the same picture via the same input method.

As you can probably guess, one of the Samsung LCDs had the 'new' 1012 firmware, while the other LCD had the 'old' 1008 firmware. I picked the new firmware LCD in 3 seconds flat. It was so obvious to me which one had the motion plus adjusted (note: not 'fixed' - more on this later).

Comparing the new firmware to BRAND-A's TV, it was interesting to note that BRAND-A had very similar issues to the old firmware in 1008, yet they were just slightly less obvious. After 1012 the difference was clear, BRAND-A has the "heat haze" and "motion" issues that were in 1008.

We watched a few different scenes from various clips, some were fast moving, some were slow, but to me anyway the motion issues had improved, and I was very happy.

Now, I had a chat to them about the whole issue around Motion Plus and 100Hz. Firstly it is important to note that the F series LCD will always run at 100Hz - regardless of the input and regardless if you set 'Motion Plus' to off. 'Motion Plus' is when the TV attempts to insert frames in between the source, to adjust for the fast moving frames. Part of this insertion of frames was causing the heat artificates to appear. The interesting thing is that the heat artificats are a by product and not a fault of motion adjustment (note - I said 'motion adjustment to mean the industry process of inserting frames, not 'Motion Plus' which is Samsungs name for it).

By changing the way that motion adjustment is processed by the TV, many of the artificats can be removed, at the sacrifice of some motion adjustment. They explained this for about 30mins - so I'm just paraphrasing - but you get the idea.

Now firmware 1012 has not changed the "High" setting of Motion Plus. It will stay exactly as is - on purpose. But "Medium" and "Low" have been greatly adjusted. I was very happy with the Medium setting, and believe this is where my TV will be set.

So - I was fortunate enough to be given firmware 1012 on a USB - which I have sitting beside me and my TV right now. I'm going to run some more tests tonight and let you know how it goes.

In regards to getting firmware 1012 - it will be released hopefully by this weekend (but no promises). Samsung factories have approved the firmware in regards to their QA cycle - so it just has to be signed off locally. I believe that Samsung will give me a link (which I will post here) to an official Samsung website where you can download the firmware (approx 12mb) - that way you know it is 'real'.

please do not call Samsung about the new firmware - the people on the helpdesk do not know anything about this yet - so please do not hassle them - they will just deny it exists!

p.s. please do not ask me to post the firmware here. Honestly - I would love to - but lets just follow the rules. I promise to get the link here ASAP.

Hi thanks for your post, does it fix unrealistic motion as described in the cnet review? I never really had a problem with heat haze on my 46" but when watching certain content I would experience droppped frames (judder) and unrealistic motion (like the image would be sped up or slowed down slightly looking unnatural). I really hope this is fixed for Samsungs sake.

I run a PC connected to the tv running at 1080p and 60hz and if i watch a divx or xvid (havent tried a dvd) then I get judder and unrealistic motion every time. Some people have said if they run their blueray player at 24hz then they experience the problem.

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Hey F81 owners!

i was originally going to buy this tv but then decided on the p9 because i thought plasma had better detail in dark scenes.

Whats your experience with this tv so far? have you compared it to the p9 plasma?

One thing i dont like about plasma is its not as vibrant as lcd, its not as bright which makes it a little hard to absorb the whole picture.

Cheers thanks for your thoughts!

:rolleyes:

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