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I think this thread may get a little busier as more of the group buy members get delivery...

Is there a link or some thing for what the optimal settings are, or where may i find such a disc?

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Just thought I 'd let you guys know that Panasonic is out of 50" PZ panels until Jan 2008.

If you want one, I suggest you go and get it now before they all sell out.

This is what I hear, I cant confirm how true this is though!

Hey Automan, it seems that your source was correct. I was told today that the next 50" PZ shipment from Panasonic is not expected till Feb 08.

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Very interested in buying the 50" model of this TV in the next week or so, but just had a few doubts and questions to ask current owners. I am also contemplating buying the Samsung P9 50" which seems to be very similar in specs. Is it true that the Panasonic only has HDMI 1.2 and not 1.3 like the Samsung does? Another thing that i stopping me from buying at the moment is the lack of support for 24p, has anyone watching blu-rays or hd-dvd's on this TV noticed judder?

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Very interested in buying the 50" model of this TV in the next week or so, but just had a few doubts and questions to ask current owners. I am also contemplating buying the Samsung P9 50" which seems to be very similar in specs. Is it true that the Panasonic only has HDMI 1.2 and not 1.3 like the Samsung does? Another thing that i stopping me from buying at the moment is the lack of support for 24p, has anyone watching blu-rays or hd-dvd's on this TV noticed judder?

What is the difference between 1.2 and 1.3?

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guys quick question. Any of you have this panel mounted on your wall? I'm looking for a wall mount but I am worried about the bulge at the rear of the panel impeding the fitment of a wall mount. The panasonic one is a complete rip off at $600-$700.

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guys quick question. Any of you have this panel mounted on your wall? I'm looking for a wall mount but I am worried about the bulge at the rear of the panel impeding the fitment of a wall mount. The panasonic one is a complete rip off at $600-$700.

Have a search through these threads - plenty of mentions about Panasonic and the bulge. I have a PX600 which has the bulge, but no worries using a generic universal mount. Certainly looks better wall mounted I reckon

Wall Mounts

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I mounted a 42" 700a using the $50 selby tilt mount. It comes with spacers which you only need to use on the bottom of each of the mount brackets to overcome the bulge. I did have to go to bunnings and get 2 longer m8 bolts though as the ones in the pack were not long enough to grip the thread when a spacer was being used.

Its a Selby PLB103B:

http://www.selbyacoustics.com.au/storefron...amp;i=208032056

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guys quick question. Any of you have this panel mounted on your wall? I'm looking for a wall mount but I am worried about the bulge at the rear of the panel impeding the fitment of a wall mount. The panasonic one is a complete rip off at $600-$700.

Mounted the 50pz700a on wall last weekend with crest wall mount plsm002 and no problems.Looks great and aprx 90mm of wall

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I think this thread may get a little busier as more of the group buy members get delivery...

Is there a link or some thing for what the optimal settings are, or where may i find such a disc?

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this tv roxxx!!!

(thanks MrMaxwell & foxtail)

hey rfa , were you able to get anymore info on how to caibrate for optimal picture on FTA ? I received the 42PZ700A yesterday and played around with picture settings a little last night. Looks very good, but I am keen to keep tweaking, so keen to find out if others who own either the 50 or 42 have found out ideal calibration settings. I realise that this will vary for personal choice and room lighting environment, but any feedback would be great.

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Ian, no replies as yet...

I too have just been mucking around with the settings to find one i prefer...

I like to set the color balance to "cool" since it makes white whiter.

Hows PS3 on the PZ. Everything u expected?

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hey rfa , were you able to get anymore info on how to caibrate for optimal picture on FTA ? I received the 42PZ700A yesterday and played around with picture settings a little last night. Looks very good, but I am keen to keep tweaking, so keen to find out if others who own either the 50 or 42 have found out ideal calibration settings. I realise that this will vary for personal choice and room lighting environment, but any feedback would be great.

Does anyone have suggestions on the best way to wear in the PZ or if that is needed? I haven't opened the box yet so not sure if this is mentioned in the user manual. I will be setting it up this weekend and this is the first plasma I have ever bought so hoping not to stuff it up.

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I have set my 50" PZ up and it looks sweet. I have paired it up with a cheap Sharp BD player that performs very well and the PQ via HDMI is very nice indeed.

After Xmas I will look at picking up a HD-XE1 player but the Sharp is producing a very nice picture even on upscaling R4 DVDs.

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I like to set the color balance to "cool" since it makes white whiter.

Hows PS3 on the PZ. Everything u expected?

PS3 looks absolutely stunning on the PZ.

I bought the 42" model and am extremely happy with it. I haven't run Blu-Ray through it yet, but that's only because I'm trying to decide what movie to buy first. If only Transformers were BD.

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Just wondering if anyone is using a Toppy 5000 with this model Pana. I cannot get any picture on mine (only sound and a text box saying "AV3 Component" with a SCART-Component cable (the cheap looking one that came with the Toppy with its A/V settings on RGB), but using composite settings with std Y, R, White leads gives a reasonable picture (not as good as the pana's native SD or HD of course).

Any suggestions? Would a more HQ cable help??

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KTF.

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Just wondering if anyone is using a Toppy 5000 with this model Pana. I cannot get any picture on mine (only sound and a text box saying "AV3 Component" with a SCART-Component cable (the cheap looking one that came with the Toppy with its A/V settings on RGB) ...

You'd want the toppy set to YUV output for component, not RGB. I've got that cheap SCART-component cable that came with the toppy connected up but don't have the tv yet to know if it works.

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Reason for the lower contrast on 1080p Plasmas is that the TV has to provide brightness for double the pixel numbers (over 2 millions pixels for 1080p compared to 1 million on a 720p set).

Even though the TV is much sharper and colours much richer the brightness - especially in harsh lit retailers - looks a lot less. You won't notice once the TV is in your loungeroom unless you have afternoon sun shining directly on to it (who would??).

The 5000:1 PZ has the same, or deeper, levels of black compared to the PX70/7, it just lacks the brightness of the Enhanced Def PXs.

Because the PZ has twice as many cells, they are half the size. Because plasma lights up the pixels with electricity, a smaller cell produces less brightness.

That's why the TH58 / 65PZ700 panels produce 10,000:1 contrast despite having the same res, the cells are large enough to produce the brightness of the lesser PX range.

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The 5000:1 PZ has the same, or deeper, levels of black compared to the PX70/7, it just lacks the brightness of the Enhanced Def PXs.

Because the PZ has twice as many cells, they are half the size. Because plasma lights up the pixels with electricity, a smaller cell produces less brightness.

That's why the TH58 / 65PZ700 panels produce 10,000:1 contrast despite having the same res, the cells are large enough to produce the brightness of the lesser PX range.

I was at GG Dandenong today. They had the same signal fed to the 42 PZ and the 58 PZ. The 42 was placed on top of the 58. The first thing that struck me was that the 42 was so much sharper than the 58. Maybe the pixels are farther apart for the 58.

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I was at GG Dandenong today. They had the same signal fed to the 42 PZ and the 58 PZ. The 42 was placed on top of the 58. The first thing that struck me was that the 42 was so much sharper than the 58. Maybe the pixels are farther apart for the 58.

Thats a massive size difference. Of course the sharpness will be greater on the smaller tv at the same distance.

What was being discussed was more the contrast I believe. The contrast is miles ahead on the 58" and 65" than the 42" & 50".

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Morning,

Not sure if it is true or not, but I heard along the grapevine that the human eye is only capable of distinguishing contast up to about 1000:1.

If so, the figures quoted over 1000:1 is purely advertising!

Can any "optometrists" provide feedback!

The retina has a static contrast ratio of around 100:1 using other parts of the eye a dynamic contrast ratio of about 1,000,000:1 (about 20 stops) is possible.

Source, Wikipedia.

Thats a massive size difference. Of course the sharpness will be greater on the smaller tv at the same distance.

What was being discussed was more the contrast I believe. The contrast is miles ahead on the 58" and 65" than the 42" & 50".

So is the price!!!

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Morning,

Not sure if it is true or not, but I heard along the grapevine that the human eye is only capable of distinguishing contast up to about 1000:1.

If so, the figures quoted over 1000:1 is purely advertising!

Can any "optometrists" provide feedback!

For many video aficionados, what the human eye can or cannot do in terms of perceivable contrast is slightly missing the point.

It turns out that by consulting the specification for a display product’s contrast ratio, an indication can be gleaned as to how the display will perform in terms of its ability to reproduce good black levels. And it’s this latter capability that is considered to be a very important aspect in portraying a good overall picture.

Of course there are other more accurate ways to measure the black level performance of a display, but often these measurements are hard to track down –and so the more commonly-specified contrast ratio is often used as a reference point instead.

Incidentally, it seems that no two companies use exactly the same method for actually measuring contrast ratio, so at best it’s only a rough guide –but better than nothing.

Hope this helps,

Cheers

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It turns out that by consulting the specification for a display product’s contrast ratio, an indication can be gleaned as to how the display will perform in terms of its ability to reproduce good black levels. And it’s this latter capability that is considered to be a very important aspect in portraying a good overall picture.

I agree that the reproduction of good black levels are important (especially in dark scenes), but the reproduction of a grayscale is much more important, as it is the grayscale that determines detail in a picture! Grayscale is the single most important attribute of any electronic display. Without shades of gray, we don't have useful image contrast. Without shades of gray, we can't create wide color palettes. Here's a nice little link ( http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/spec-wars/contr...oses-259495.php ) that compares the contrast ratio's of the latest panasonic, a sony and a pioneer - with pictures - which is in plain english and explains why contrast ratio's shouldn't be heavily relied on!

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I agree that the reproduction of good black levels are important (especially in dark scenes), but the reproduction of a grayscale is much more important, as it is the grayscale that determines detail in a picture! Grayscale is the single most important attribute of any electronic display. Without shades of gray, we don't have useful image contrast. Without shades of gray, we can't create wide color palettes. Here's a nice little link ( http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/spec-wars/contr...oses-259495.php ) that compares the contrast ratio's of the latest panasonic, a sony and a pioneer - with pictures - which is in plain english and explains why contrast ratio's shouldn't be heavily relied on!

I saw a sales person demonstrated one way Pioneer was able to achieve a darker black with the Kuros.

He lit a lighter near the screens of the Panasonic and the Pioneer when there a dark scene.

On the Pioneer, you are able to see only one reflection of the flame. But you see two reflections on the Panasonic. Pioneer only used one "glass" layer and Panasonic used two "glass" layers.

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hey has anyone set up their tv yet?

i still have not got around to it, and wanted a bit more info on the proper set up of this tv. still running the factory settings after 3-4 months and feel we are not getting the best viewing experince from the screen.

-mark

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Can anyone tell me the dimensions of the PZ700 50'' in its packaging, box and all. I need to know if it will fit in my 4WD.

I'm also curious about this too, I'm sure someone still has the box lying around, I really need some measurements. I'd measure in the store but everyone's sold out, I'm waiting for my TV to arrive but would like to know if it'll fit in my van before the day comes. Any help would be appreciated! ;-)

Hi Guys

Does the 50" PZ do direct 1:1 pixel mapping?

Well I'm not sure what you mean but it's a 1920 x 1080p panel if that helps???

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hey has anyone set up their tv yet?

i still have not got around to it, and wanted a bit more info on the proper set up of this tv. still running the factory settings after 3-4 months and feel we are not getting the best viewing experince from the screen.

-mark

I set mine up using a THX DVD and it wasn't that much different to the normal setting, just a bit less colour was needed. I'd like to know how you can calibrate the TV channel settings as you can't use the DVD and as far as I know no-one puts out a test pattern.

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I'm also curious about this too, I'm sure someone still has the box lying around, I really need some measurements. I'd measure in the store but everyone's sold out, I'm waiting for my TV to arrive but would like to know if it'll fit in my van before the day comes. Any help would be appreciated! ;-)

Well I'm not sure what you mean but it's a 1920 x 1080p panel if that helps???

If it is any help my PZ 50' was delivered in the back of a Hi-Ace van and it took up the entire floor to roof spaceand the length of the Hi-Ace cargo area, they only just managed to get it in.

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Hi Guys

Does the 50" PZ do direct 1:1 pixel mapping?

Yes, it does.

I have it set that way.

This is an overall setting which affects all inputs.

Of course it only applies when a 1080 ( i or p ) signal is in use.

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If it is any help my PZ 50' was delivered in the back of a Hi-Ace van and it took up the entire floor to roof spaceand the length of the Hi-Ace cargo area, they only just managed to get it in.

Cheers for that, I got the exact dimensions now :-)

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Yes, it does.

I have it set that way.

This is an overall setting which affects all inputs.

Of course it only applies when a 1080 ( i or p ) signal is in use.

Thanks !!

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I have been viewing the 42" PZ700a for the past week. It is my first plasma experience after having a crt TV my whole life... is it normal for there to be alot of juttering around on the picture when there is fast flashes like the video hits logo that flashes through at the end of a segment? I have noticed it happens when there are camera flashes or fireworks in a movie. Not sure if it is just the quality of my aerial reception or if it is the tv... anyone else notice this? Is it something that gets better the longer I run my tv in?

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Hmmm..... I think the fact that the tv does not have 24p could be the problem, but I don't know enough about it, I'm sure someone will be able to provide more info on the matter. Or just look into it yourself, it's all about the tv refreahing at the same rate as a film camera operates to record the picture. Though I'd have thought this wouldn't apply to FTA tv? Sorry I can't help more than that.

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Hi folks

The 50PZ700A is my first foray into the flat panel market. I'm a little disappointed so far, though I'm not sure what the specific cause of my problem is.

When watching FTA (yes, I can hear the groans now!) the picture seems...well, positively grainy frankly. I of course understand that this is often a problem of source rather than TV, but then watching things like the cricket (and I'm not talking about 'motion' here, just plain ordinary TV watching) where I would have expected them to have pretty good cameras - well, it's still crappy. FWIW I sit about 2-2.5 metres from the screen.

I thought maybe it was an issue of reception quality but according to the DVB Signal Strength bit in the menu, I'm a 10 for both quality and strength.

I have a 32700A (Can't remember the exact model number, it's the current Panasonic 32" LCD) in the bedroom and the picture is great. I appreciate this is of course a much smaller screen but still - what gives? The only thing I could think of is that where the 50" is connected is the antenna amplifier - pardon the ignorance but could this possibly affect things?

I think I experienced a similar thing when watching DVD but I've only watched one DVD so still inconclusive on that front. PS3 looks great (Uncharted, Motorstorm), but am yet to trial blu-ray.

Anyone else with this screen having these sorts of issues, or can anyone give me some advice?

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Hi folks

The 50PZ700A is my first foray into the flat panel market. I'm a little disappointed so far, though I'm not sure what the specific cause of my problem is.

When watching FTA (yes, I can hear the groans now!) the picture seems...well, positively grainy frankly. I of course understand that this is often a problem of source rather than TV, but then watching things like the cricket (and I'm not talking about 'motion' here, just plain ordinary TV watching) where I would have expected them to have pretty good cameras - well, it's still crappy. FWIW I sit about 2-2.5 metres from the screen.

I thought maybe it was an issue of reception quality but according to the DVB Signal Strength bit in the menu, I'm a 10 for both quality and strength.

I have a 32700A (Can't remember the exact model number, it's the current Panasonic 32" LCD) in the bedroom and the picture is great. I appreciate this is of course a much smaller screen but still - what gives? The only thing I could think of is that where the 50" is connected is the antenna amplifier - pardon the ignorance but could this possibly affect things?

I think I experienced a similar thing when watching DVD but I've only watched one DVD so still inconclusive on that front. PS3 looks great (Uncharted, Motorstorm), but am yet to trial blu-ray.

Anyone else with this screen having these sorts of issues, or can anyone give me some advice?

I experienced this to a degree as well.

Firstly make sure you are not running on the default, very bright, "Dynamic" setting.

I use Normal or Auto.

This helps a bit, especially Auto but you may find it a bit dull.

Mostly however it is the source.

Generally live TV like morning shows and some sport are good, but the recent cricket did not seem so great.

I found that after a while you stop scanning the screening to see how perfect the picture is and you don't notice this anymore.

I would be surprised if you don't see it at all on your LCD if you look carefully.

I have a 76cm widecreen CRT and I see it there if I look for it too, but at the smaller size it is easier to ignore.

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Hi folks

The 50PZ700A is my first foray into the flat panel market. I'm a little disappointed so far, though I'm not sure what the specific cause of my problem is.

When watching FTA (yes, I can hear the groans now!) the picture seems...well, positively grainy frankly. I of course understand that this is often a problem of source rather than TV, but then watching things like the cricket (and I'm not talking about 'motion' here, just plain ordinary TV watching) where I would have expected them to have pretty good cameras - well, it's still crappy. FWIW I sit about 2-2.5 metres from the screen.

I thought maybe it was an issue of reception quality but according to the DVB Signal Strength bit in the menu, I'm a 10 for both quality and strength.

I have a 32700A (Can't remember the exact model number, it's the current Panasonic 32" LCD) in the bedroom and the picture is great. I appreciate this is of course a much smaller screen but still - what gives? The only thing I could think of is that where the 50" is connected is the antenna amplifier - pardon the ignorance but could this possibly affect things?

I think I experienced a similar thing when watching DVD but I've only watched one DVD so still inconclusive on that front. PS3 looks great (Uncharted, Motorstorm), but am yet to trial blu-ray.

Anyone else with this screen having these sorts of issues, or can anyone give me some advice?

Just making sure you are watching the digital signal on the tv not the analogue? If unsure press the TV button

Make sure you change the picture settings to standard, and reduce the sharpness to realistic levels. The preset modes out of the box make these panels looks shocking in a home environment

Hope that helps

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Hmmm..... I think the fact that the tv does not have 24p could be the problem, but I don't know enough about it, I'm sure someone will be able to provide more info on the matter. Or just look into it yourself, it's all about the tv refreahing at the same rate as a film camera operates to record the picture. Though I'd have thought this wouldn't apply to FTA tv? Sorry I can't help more than that.

24p capable has nothing to do with FTA.

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I experienced this to a degree as well.

Firstly make sure you are not running on the default, very bright, "Dynamic" setting.

I use Normal or Auto.

This helps a bit, especially Auto but you may find it a bit dull.

Mostly however it is the source.

Generally live TV like morning shows and some sport are good, but the recent cricket did not seem so great.

I found that after a while you stop scanning the screening to see how perfect the picture is and you don't notice this anymore.

I would be surprised if you don't see it at all on your LCD if you look carefully.

I have a 76cm widecreen CRT and I see it there if I look for it too, but at the smaller size it is easier to ignore.

It was indeed on Dynamic! I've turned it to normal, taken the contrast down to probably about 2/3 (I wish there were numbers) and the sharpness to maybe 1/4. Seems a little better

It's funny you mention the morning shows cos they're the first ones I looked at and said "that looks shite".

I've had it less than a month so I'm well and truly in the "still looking for quality/faults" phase.

I guess the true test will be waiting till 10HD shows a decent movie on a Sunday night ;)

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