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Just had a chance to do a check and I was wrong with my initial thoughts ... there is a significant delay (probably 1-1.5 seconds) between channel changes on the internal tuner. The Topfield is almost instantaneous.

I just made some changes to the picture settings too, but unfortunately that made the picture worse than the external tuner. I might revert back to the default for the internal tuner.

I have Topfield 7000 and LX508 The Internal tuner is much slower than the Topfield. However on the internal tuner the TV states it has full 1080i input but on the Topfield it states signal is 576i, I thought the Topfield was HD. The difference in picture quality is quite noticeable to my untrained eyes. Teh internal tuner has a much better picture than the Topfield.

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I have Topfield 7000 and LX508 The Internal tuner is much slower than the Topfield. However on the internal tuner the TV states it has full 1080i input but on the Topfield it states signal is 576i, I thought the Topfield was HD. The difference in picture quality is quite noticeable to my untrained eyes. Teh internal tuner has a much better picture than the Topfield.

Are you sure your Topfield is tuned to one of the HD channels (12, 20, 30, 70 or 90)? The 7000 is definitely a HD tuner.

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Can someone tell me who has the 508XDA manual/ has a set whether it accepts RGB over component.

The LX508/608 pdf appears to suggest it supports RGB over HDMI, but and via analogue PC Input

However the Input page states: "INPUT 2 terminals (COMPONENT VIDEO: Y, PB, PR)"

Reason is I have a

Grundig Ovation DVD player. Outputs are

SCART

S-Video

A/V

Menu selections in the player are however only RGB or S-Video - which leads me to believe it broadcasts RGB over SCART.

Set is presently connected via a SCART-SCART cable and I also have a SCART to Component cable.

Will the 508XDA accept RGB over component or only YPbPg ???

Just need to know whether I need to go buy a S-Video cable to connect instead, or switch to a DVD with HDMI out.

The 508XDA will not accept RGB over component. When I moved to the 508XDA, I decided to also move from my Harman Kardon DVD player which output RGB over Scart to a shiny new Oppo 981 which utilises HDMI. Nice match. If you move to a new HDMI-capable player you will likely see a significantly better result than an svideo connection (assuming relative quality of player similar in other respects).

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Has anybody noticed that the 'zoom' settings seem to stretch the picture a little. Can it be set to a variable setting from the secret set up menu, it zooms in a bit too much for my liking?

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Has anybody noticed that the 'zoom' settings seem to stretch the picture a little. Can it be set to a variable setting from the secret set up menu, it zooms in a bit too much for my liking?

Why run the zoom setting run on Full screen mode .

1 thing I notice is I am always leaving the panel on as when i turn an input off the screen looks off.

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The only reason I use the zoom setting is because I don't like the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen. Bigger screen from a good distance makes a much better impression

How do you use the zoom setting without strectching the picture? I might have the read the manual for the first time.

My old Panasonic DVD player was great (it has stopped working) I could use the 16:9 ratio and I could set it to X1.10 zoom setting for perfect results without stretching the picture or loosing picture quality.

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Have a 508XDA on order through the group buy. Question for owners - have a Denon upscaling DVD player (480P/576P, 720P, 1080i, 1080P). Should I upscale DVD's at the player level or let the the Pioneer do the work with a native DVD signal?

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Have a 508XDA on order through the group buy. Question for owners - have a Denon upscaling DVD player (480P/576P, 720P, 1080i, 1080P). Should I upscale DVD's at the player level or let the the Pioneer do the work with a native DVD signal?

I have been very pleasantly surprised by the capability of the internal upscaling. I have a number of 480i DVDs, as well as running foxtel and FTA SD. So far the TV has done an outstanding job - even with 700mb DivX CDs.

I guess you wont' know for sure until you try both.

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Hey I'm looking to buy 42XDA through the group buy to use with my PS3.

I mainly watch FTA, DVDs and play PS3.

Now I read that the native res on this set is 1024x768, isn't that low for gaming? Most games play at 720p which is 1366x768 isn't it?

Will playing a Full HD Blu Ray get put down to 1024x768 thus losing alot of pixels from from 1920x1080 and not look as good as a 1080p set?

I guess my question is , will playing Blu-rays and PS3 be better quality than playing them on the 1080p Pana plasmas (PZ700A).

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Any 508XDA owners wish they'd bought the LX? I've ordered the XDA through the group buy and starting to feel buyer's remorse already! And I haven't even got it yet! All my research indicates that on a 50" screen at an average viewing distance of 3m I shouldn't be able to tell the difference, but will I have to live with the little guy on my shoulder whispering "Yes, but it's not 1080p"?

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Any 508XDA owners wish they'd bought the LX? I've ordered the XDA through the group buy and starting to feel buyer's remorse already! And I haven't even got it yet! All my research indicates that on a 50" screen at an average viewing distance of 3m I shouldn't be able to tell the difference, but will I have to live with the little guy on my shoulder whispering "Yes, but it's not 1080p"?

Absolutely not, I'm the opposite, congratulating myself on not being tempted to spend the extra money when it just wasn't necessary. The panel has exceeded all my expectations, which were pretty high to begin with.

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Any 508XDA owners wish they'd bought the LX? I've ordered the XDA through the group buy and starting to feel buyer's remorse already! And I haven't even got it yet! All my research indicates that on a 50" screen at an average viewing distance of 3m I shouldn't be able to tell the difference, but will I have to live with the little guy on my shoulder whispering "Yes, but it's not 1080p"?

according to the many sites that tell you at 3m's with a 50 inch screen you shouldn't be able to tell the difference between 1080p and 720p, people should understand that these calculations, although correct, are based on the user having 20/20 vision.

For most people (especially in the developed world), eye vision are often drastically much better then 20/20, and therefore, many people will see difference of 1080p on a 50" screen even at 3 metres.

But don't fret, the XDA model is simply superb and will provide a better PQ compared to other 1080p 50" screens (such as panasonic and samsung) even though its only 720p.

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according to the many sites that tell you at 3m's with a 50 inch screen you shouldn't be able to tell the difference between 1080p and 720p, people should understand that these calculations, although correct, are based on the user having 20/20 vision.

For most people (especially in the developed world), eye vision are often drastically much better then 20/20, and therefore, many people will see difference of 1080p on a 50" screen even at 3 metres.

But don't fret, the XDA model is simply superb and will provide a better PQ compared to other 1080p 50" screens (such as panasonic and samsung) even though its only 720p.

Are you an eye specialist to make such a claim.

I have 20/20 vision in my left eye and slightly better in my right and I've been told my eye sight is above average. Saying that most peoples vision is drastically better than 20/20 is just your opinion and not fact.

I sense you posted this as bait and congrats as you have a catch.

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For most people (especially in the developed world), eye vision are often drastically much better then 20/20, and therefore, many people will see difference of 1080p on a 50" screen even at 3 metres.

Hilarious and your first post too.

Too funny.

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Are you sure your Topfield is tuned to one of the HD channels (12, 20, 30, 70 or 90)? The 7000 is definitely a HD tuner.

I have solved my problem. I was happy with the Topfield as it was set up with my cathode ray TV. It was ordinary with the LX508. On looking at Menu/System Setting/A.V Output Setting/Video Format it is possible to change to 576, 740 and 1080i .

Having reset to 1080i I am now unable to tell the difference between the Pioneer Tuner on the LX508 and the Topfield. So I again have the privilege of rewinding and pausing live TV. Plus I can record 2 programs while watching a third in full HD.

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Have a 508XDA on order through the group buy. Question for owners - have a Denon upscaling DVD player (480P/576P, 720P, 1080i, 1080P). Should I upscale DVD's at the player level or let the the Pioneer do the work with a native DVD signal?

Hi,

I have a Pioneer DV-400 DVD and I have it set to upscale to 1080p via HDMI and the pic is magic. But then once I saw it I didnt bother trying any other settings either :rolleyes:

Oh, and the guys that say their pic is bad, either your settings are so far off they are on Mars or you have a serious problem. This tele was hands down the best there was to look at in all the stores I went to. I have not seen any "stuttering" on fast moving pictures, and I did see that on LG, Sammy and the Pana had it a little bit. As for customer service, I had a problem setting up the DVD player and called the Pioneer Help line at 10pm, they called me back at 8:30am next day. I am very happy. I paid too much but then I got it interest free for 18 months too.

cheers, Mick

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Hi all,

I noticed that there are a lot of references to adjusting the picture in this thread. Thats all good and I am interested in seeing how that compares with my settings (I am not with the tele atm) However, having an electronics technicians background I can tell you that no two sets will be the same therefore any settings you read about would only be a good starting point and then you can set it to look the best for you. Of course if you have all the gadgets and gizmos to do the measurements then you can tell us here how these settings pan out. <_< Anyway, I found this rather useful site and thought others may like to actually set the tele up rather than just entering someone else's settings. CNET's Quick Guide to TV Calibration http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6463_7-5085739_1.html?tag=TVBG

oh, and to the guy about the eyesight acuity, are you for real? BTW we here in Australia actually measure vision as 6-6 not 20-20. Your other comments regarding the 508XDA are spot on though.

Cheers Mick ;)

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Hi,

I have a Pioneer DV-400 DVD and I have it set to upscale to 1080p via HDMI and the pic is magic. But then once I saw it I didnt bother trying any other settings either :rolleyes:

Oh, and the guys that say their pic is bad, either your settings are so far off they are on Mars or you have a serious problem. This tele was hands down the best there was to look at in all the stores I went to. I have not seen any "stuttering" on fast moving pictures, and I did see that on LG, Sammy and the Pana had it a little bit. As for customer service, I had a problem setting up the DVD player and called the Pioneer Help line at 10pm, they called me back at 8:30am next day. I am very happy. I paid too much but then I got it interest free for 18 months too.

cheers, Mick

That's me.. and yes i believe there is a serious problem. Watching a show like Idol last night and every time there are flashes of light i get multi coloured lines across the screen. The VS supercars yesterday were atrocious. anyway i have been told i will get a replacement this week...

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Any 508XDA owners wish they'd bought the LX? I've ordered the XDA through the group buy and starting to feel buyer's remorse already! And I haven't even got it yet! All my research indicates that on a 50" screen at an average viewing distance of 3m I shouldn't be able to tell the difference, but will I have to live with the little guy on my shoulder whispering "Yes, but it's not 1080p"?

Nobody can guarantee YOU won't have buyers remorse. I've had the 508XDA since last Thursday and I can guarantee you I have absolutely none. We (wifey and I) did compare this panel to the LX in a reasonably good environment playing exactly the same material. The saleslady was even good enough to swap the DVD player/leads and the Blu-Ray player/leads between the two panels so we knew we were getting the same feeds on each TV.

Is the LX "better"? Viewing from up close, maybe 1.5 metres (2 at the absolute maximum), yep. Anything further than that? Maybe the slightest bit on high def material. We're talking 50 inch here. Most people will be viewing these panels from at least 2.5 metres away. We've set it up to be about 3.25 metres from where we watch it. At that distance, the difference would be minute if visible at all - TO OUR EYES. And it would not come close to matching the $2K plus difference in price - TO OUR WALLETS.

If money is no object and you must be able to tell your freinds that this is a 1080P Panel!!, you should have gotten the LX. If, as is much more likely to be the case, both you and your friends (including the ones who have 1080p panels from other manufacturers) are absolutely blown away by the XDA, you won't even notice the fact that it isn't 1080p. You will notice the fact that you've got enough scratch left over to upgrade the rest of your system, buy more software, or blow on a dirty weekend than you would have if you'd bought the LX.

The XDA throws a superb picture. I also like the fact that Pioneer doesn't slap "1080p, DTS, Dolby, HDMI" ad nauseum all over the front bezel but leaves it pristine.

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Nobody can guarantee YOU won't have buyers remorse. I've had the 508XDA since last Thursday and I can guarantee you I have absolutely none. We (wifey and I) did compare this panel to the LX in a reasonably good environment playing exactly the same material. The saleslady was even good enough to swap the DVD player/leads and the Blu-Ray player/leads between the two panels so we knew we were getting the same feeds on each TV.

Is the LX "better"? Viewing from up close, maybe 1.5 metres (2 at the absolute maximum), yep. Anything further than that? Maybe the slightest bit on high def material. We're talking 50 inch here. Most people will be viewing these panels from at least 2.5 metres away. We've set it up to be about 3.25 metres from where we watch it. At that distance, the difference would be minute if visible at all - TO OUR EYES. And it would not come close to matching the $2K plus difference in price - TO OUR WALLETS.

If money is no object and you must be able to tell your freinds that this is a 1080P Panel!!, you should have gotten the LX. If, as is much more likely to be the case, both you and your friends (including the ones who have 1080p panels from other manufacturers) are absolutely blown away by the XDA, you won't even notice the fact that it isn't 1080p. You will notice the fact that you've got enough scratch left over to upgrade the rest of your system, buy more software, or blow on a dirty weekend than you would have if you'd bought the LX.

The XDA throws a superb picture. I also like the fact that Pioneer doesn't slap "1080p, DTS, Dolby, HDMI" ad nauseum all over the front bezel but leaves it pristine.

Thanks for that, feeling much better now. (Should have taken my meds and had a lie down before that last post). Particularly happy as I am planning to upgrade my AV Receiver and the extra $ will come in handy.

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Nobody can guarantee YOU won't have buyers remorse. I've had the 508XDA since last Thursday and I can guarantee you I have absolutely none. We (wifey and I) did compare this panel to the LX in a reasonably good environment playing exactly the same material. The saleslady was even good enough to swap the DVD player/leads and the Blu-Ray player/leads between the two panels so we knew we were getting the same feeds on each TV.

Is the LX "better"? Viewing from up close, maybe 1.5 metres (2 at the absolute maximum), yep. Anything further than that? Maybe the slightest bit on high def material. We're talking 50 inch here. Most people will be viewing these panels from at least 2.5 metres away. We've set it up to be about 3.25 metres from where we watch it. At that distance, the difference would be minute if visible at all - TO OUR EYES. And it would not come close to matching the $2K plus difference in price - TO OUR WALLETS.

If money is no object and you must be able to tell your freinds that this is a 1080P Panel!!, you should have gotten the LX. If, as is much more likely to be the case, both you and your friends (including the ones who have 1080p panels from other manufacturers) are absolutely blown away by the XDA, you won't even notice the fact that it isn't 1080p. You will notice the fact that you've got enough scratch left over to upgrade the rest of your system, buy more software, or blow on a dirty weekend than you would have if you'd bought the LX.

The XDA throws a superb picture. I also like the fact that Pioneer doesn't slap "1080p, DTS, Dolby, HDMI" ad nauseum all over the front bezel but leaves it pristine.

That sums it up Brumby, we are sitting 3-4 metres back and I doubt I would see any difference. I dont think I will ever be unhappy with this tele. Its nice to hear form someone that actually got to do a good side by side test of the two teles. Thats rare. ;)

However, there is one thing that really p!sses me off about the 508XDA and thats how long the tuner takes to change channels. Is there any fix for this? Anyone have any ideas. I read in an earlier post about using a HD Box. I have one but its being used elsewhere and I didnt really want to change it around. Anyway, why does it take so long to change channels? :angry:

cheers Mick B)

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That sums it up Brumby, we are sitting 3-4 metres back and I doubt I would see any difference. I dont think I will ever be unhappy with this tele. Its nice to hear form someone that actually got to do a good side by side test of the two teles. Thats rare. ;)

However, there is one thing that really p!sses me off about the 508XDA and thats how long the tuner takes to change channels. Is there any fix for this? Anyone have any ideas. I read in an earlier post about using a HD Box. I have one but its being used elsewhere and I didnt really want to change it around. Anyway, why does it take so long to change channels? :angry:

cheers Mick B)

When i was looking at one on a store i went to change the channel and i thought i had done something to the panel but then i realised it was just the tuner was really slow.

does anyone have a 428xda and if so what do they think of them?

Also what is the sound echo problem that i have seen popping up in some posts here?

Is there a problem with the panel?

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Yep, that's my one gripe so far too. The 508 does take a long time to change channels. We time it out at 4 - 6 seconds. I haven't really investigated to find out if there's any way to speed this up. I would tend to doubt it.

For me, it's no big deal. Far more important is the fact that the tuner picks up all SD and HD stations here. We are in a notoriously bad reception area and the SD STBs I've had always fell over on one channel or another.

Nothing's perfect. The 508 XDA changes channels very slowly. Ah well.

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Most games play at 720p which is 1366x768 isn't it?

720 is 1280 x 720

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Yep, that's my one gripe so far too. The 508 does take a long time to change channels. We time it out at 4 - 6 seconds. I haven't really investigated to find out if there's any way to speed this up. I would tend to doubt it.

For me, it's no big deal. Far more important is the fact that the tuner picks up all SD and HD stations here. We are in a notoriously bad reception area and the SD STBs I've had always fell over on one channel or another.

Nothing's perfect. The 508 XDA changes channels very slowly. Ah well.

Wow! 4-6 seconds! I'm in a good reception area and it takes 1-1.5 seconds, maybe 2 at a stretch, and that still seems too long. My Topfield 7000HT is instantaneous with sound and less than a second for vision.

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