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Hi Iceman

Care to expand on the problems with the channel listings? Surely you do not mean that you are stuck with all the channels that the tuner picks up!!

You can allocate as many or few of the channels to your favourites which are then scrolled through by the Prog+/-

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Cambrian, yes that is what I meant. Once you auto scan, you can not delete unwanted channels or change the order. I have read the manual there is no reference to changing/deleting channels.

You can make a favorite list but you can not view it on the screen. You can + - on the remote. If the channel is on the bottom of the list then you might end up pressing + - ten times!

Only other option is to scan every channel manually, that is pain.

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Only other option is to scan every channel manually, that is pain.

Should not take very long we don't have very many channels to choose from and if it makes the tv more pleasurable to use Just Do It. :unsure:

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fyi,

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/...5-15308,00.html

Black is beautiful in high-def too

November 06, 2007

IT'S not too long ago that just having a large, flatpanel television was enough to satisfy or impress most of us.

Nowadays, however, sheer size and being able to hang a screen on a wall is not enough in itself. The more familiar we become with flatpanels, the more features we have come to recognise as important.

Built-in HD tuners, for example, are a must for anyone who wants to get the most out of their screen. Many of us have now become educated that 1090p resolution is the Holy Grail if you want true HD-quality pictures.

Now that more and more add-on equipment for HD systems such as players and consoles are on the market, the need for suitable connections becomes crucial.

A basic composite video input just doesn't cut it these days, when such gear needs HDMI and component inputs to produce the intended results.

Pioneer Kuro PDP-508 XDA

OTHER manufacturers of flat panel TVs have built up strong recognition of their products under brand names such as Bravia or Viera, but it has taken eight generations of plasmas for Pioneer to find an identity beyond the serial number. The chosen monicker, Kuro, is an indication of where Pioneer sees its strengths.

Kuro is the Japanese word for black, and if plasma has been able to boast an advantage over LCD other than price, it has been that it can display true blacks, compared with LCDs.

For many people, it's not something they notice until they compare the two systems side-by-side, and it also must be admitted that LCD has been lifting its game in black reproduction.

Kuro is also appropriate because Pioneer's sets have always been decked out in shiny black cases. The risk, therefore, when the company boasts about its black reproduction is that any such reproduction can be easily contrasted with this shiny frame.

It's a tribute, therefore, to the designers that the dark spaces on the screen don't appear washed out.

It's also hard to deny how crystal clear the picture becomes when you see the colour reproductions Pioneer has achieved in its latest sets. Hooked up via HDMI (three of the set's five inputs are capable of HDMI) to a Blu-ray player (well, a PS3 playing Blu-ray disks), the resulting images are testimony to how beautiful a full HD picture can be.

It was only when switching back to free-to-air SD broadcasts from 1080p HD that I felt a bit disappointed. What were good colour settings in HD became too vivid in SD, and required some adjustment.

As well as the HDMI connections, the set offers two component, three S-Video and standard composite inputs. This should be enough to have all your gear connected at their optimum. This set is pricey for a plasma, but undoubtedly at the top of its class, and it's going to be hard for this reviewer to part with it when it comes time to return it.

SPECIFICATIONS

Features: 50in plasma, 1080p, HDTV tuner, 3 HDMI and S-Video slots, two component connections

Price: $5699

More at: www.pioneer.com.au

Ratting: 8/10

- Roland Tellzen

Samsung LA40M81BDX

FINALLY, a Samsung LCD that doesn't look like it's wearing a bumbag. This M8 series screen is blissfully rectangular and deserves a place on the living room wall, unlike some of the triangular abominations Samsung has given birth to previously.

It's just as well Samsung came up with a clean, simple design for this TV. The company's usual excess baggage under the screen would have distracted from the beautiful picture it puts out.

The main claim to fame of the LA40M8 and its 46in and 52in siblings is the way they handle black.

Samsung's marketers and many LCD owners would attest that the format often struggles to create uniform blacks because of issues with the way backlights shine through the screen.

Samsung has ironed out that kink with the M8 and what you get for its trouble is a TV that displays rich and marvellously consistent black.

Coupled with a 15,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio, this means the M8 reveals dark or shadowed images in exquisite detail.

These features, along with 1080p output, make the M8 perfect for watching Blu-ray discs or blasting baddies on PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 consoles, as crisp images are rendered in vibrant colour. The news isn't all so good.

While Samsung has done a brilliant job with picture quality, this LCD is a little lacking in some areas. One of the M8's selling points is the competitive price, which is several hundred dollars cheaper than similar products from Sharp and Sony. But it seems Samsung has cut a few corners to get there.

For starters, the TV's body seems flimsy compared with other screens, and some of the finishes, such as the cheap-feeling tie that bundles the power cord and audiovisual cables, detract from the package. Sound also leaves something to be desired, with Samsung mounting the speakers pointing down rather than into the room.

SPECIFICATIONS

Features: 40in LCD, 1080p, HDTV tuner, stand, backlit remote, 3 HDMI slots, S-Video, composite and optical and analog audio out.

Price: $3099

More at: www.samsung.com/au

Rating: 8/10

- Ben Woodhead

Sony KDL-52X3100

THIS is one big LCD telly. The 52in XBR Bravia tops Sony's LCD range - for us mortals at least. There is a 70in XBR, but that lists at a breathtaking $69,999, 10 times the asking price of the 52in model. It's also one heavy telly. For those who equate LCD technology with a lack of weight, the 49kg heft of this Bravia will have you yelling for help to get it up on the entertainment unit.

Once landed, the big Bravia is lounge lizard heaven, especially for those with plenty of high-definition sources such as Blu-ray disc players and high-def-capable games consoles.

It includes a tuner for HD TV and three HDMI ports for top-rate connections.

Blu-ray movie reproduction on the Sony, at 1080p resolution, was exquisite, helped along by a 10-bit LCD panel that bumps up the colour gradation between pixels compared with lowlier eight-bit panels and Motionflow 100Hz technology that combats LCD judder by inserting frames when needed.

The smarts all add up to a new world of detail, which had me clocking the Richard Branson cameo in the Bond movie Casino Royale for the first time despite having watched the flick twice before.

Be warned. While a large 1080p-capable telly is in its element showing off high-def media, lesser sources such as ordinary DVD and standard-def TV look murky and flat in comparison, and games on low-def consoles such as the PS2 and Nintendo Wii appear quite pixellated.

While playing high-def PS3 and Xbox 360 games was wonderfully immersive, Sony's big panel does show up faults such as texture ripping and rough edges that are not so evident on smaller LCD screens.

SPECIFICATIONS

Features: 52in LCD, 1080p, integrated HD tuner, 100Hz motionfl ow, 3 HDMI inputs

Price: $6499

More at: www.sony.com.au

Rating: 8/10

- Stuart Kennedy

CONCLUSION

WE hate to be fence-sitters, but all our review units scored identically this week, impressing each of our reviewers with how good HD can look on a big, quality screen. Take your pick.

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The review is not a much of help for someone who is confused.

True, but if you buy at least one of the 3 above - you know you can't go wrong :)

But the Pio still wins (IMO) with free delivery, installation and factory backed 5 yr warranty.

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Hi guys - first post here.

What's the story with the grey sidebars on the 508xda when 4:3 TV programs are being shown? Surely black is better.

Is the only solution to turn them to black by getting into the hidden 'service menu' as suggested in the avforums (UK) or is there an easier way?

I would have thought this to be a standard option in the regular menu.

Only one other thing worries me about this set - the reported judder issues.

Have all owners on here managed to sort out smooth motion for their various sources?

There are so many conflicting reports of proposed solutions working/not working out there atm.

If it weren't for these 2 issues I'd have snapped one up already.

Any owners out there care to help out?

Cheers.

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Hi guys - first post here.

What's the story with the grey sidebars on the 508xda when 4:3 TV programs are being shown? Surely black is better.

Is the only solution to turn them to black by getting into the hidden 'service menu' as suggested in the avforums (UK) or is there an easier way?

I would have thought this to be a standard option in the regular menu.

Only one other thing worries me about this set - the reported judder issues.

Have all owners on here managed to sort out smooth motion for their various sources?

There are so many conflicting reports of proposed solutions working/not working out there atm.

If it weren't for these 2 issues I'd have snapped one up already.

Any owners out there care to help out?

Cheers.

Welcome madhacker

The side bars are grey to provide an average level of picture in these side bar areas so that any chance of apparent burn in (from having the side bars turned off, ie black) is absolutely minimised.

I do not appear to have any judder problems.

This is an excellent panel IMO.

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Welcome madhacker

The side bars are grey to provide an average level of picture in these side bar areas so that any chance of apparent burn in (from having the side bars turned off, ie black) is absolutely minimised.

I do not appear to have any judder problems.

This is an excellent panel IMO.

Thanks - truly smooth motion is a minimum requirement imho.

But can you change the grey bars to black if so desired? I don't think I could live with that, to be honest, and more importantly my wife hates it.

No black bars = no approval to splash the cash from my other half <_<

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Thanks - truly smooth motion is a minimum requirement imho.

But can you change the grey bars to black if so desired? I don't think I could live with that, to be honest, and more importantly my wife hates it.

No black bars = no approval to splash the cash from my other half <_<

Hi Madhacker

so what do you think of the xda?

any negatives so far?

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Hi Madhacker

so what do you think of the xda?

any negatives so far?

I'm a prospective owner rather than current owner - hoping to hear from the owners posting here about the above mentioned issues...

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Thanks - truly smooth motion is a minimum requirement imho.

But can you change the grey bars to black if so desired? I don't think I could live with that, to be honest, and more importantly my wife hates it.

No black bars = no approval to splash the cash from my other half <_<

There have been posts in the UK forums which say that you can change them from grey to black via the service menu. I'd assume it's the same with ours, but I have no idea if it's safe or not.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread....15&page=353

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I know it's supposed to be possible via the service menu.

Can any owners please comment on their experiences with the grey bars? Does it bother you? Wouldn't you prefer black? Has anyone successfully changed them from grey to black in the service menu or otherwise? Has anyone tried and failed to either get into the service menu or change the grey sidebars to black?

As you can see - this is a real sticking point for me. I can't believe a panel of this quality and with so many options would not let the user decide on the shade used for the side bars.

If you do get into the service menu does this have any implications for the warranty I wonder?

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I know it's supposed to be possible via the service menu.

Can any owners please comment on their experiences with the grey bars? Does it bother you? Wouldn't you prefer black? Has anyone successfully changed them from grey to black in the service menu or otherwise? Has anyone tried and failed to either get into the service menu or change the grey sidebars to black?

As you can see - this is a real sticking point for me. I can't believe a panel of this quality and with so many options would not let the user decide on the shade used for the side bars.

If you do get into the service menu does this have any implications for the warranty I wonder?

I have changed mine via the service menu.

The grey didn't bother me but the black looks nicer so i changed it.

It's easy enough to do but I do agree with you, it should be an option in the normal menu not ht service menu.

Most people will never know it can be done and have to put up with the grey.

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I have changed mine via the service menu.

The grey didn't bother me but the black looks nicer so i changed it.

It's easy enough to do but I do agree with you, it should be an option in the normal menu not ht service menu.

Most people will never know it can be done and have to put up with the grey.

I actuallu quite like the grey!

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Where is the secret menu to turn grey ino black? I hate it.

If ours is the same as the UK it should be as follows. Let us know how you get on.

The get into the service menu do the following..

Enter the Service Menu

Start with the plasma turned OFF

Make sure you point the remote directly at the IR sensor in the tv

Press the i button (directly below 9) on the remote (just press, do not hold)

Wait 3 seconds

Press LEFT, UP, LEFT, RIGHT then POWER

If done correctly, the plasma turns on and the INFORMATION page is displayed, will change 3 times on its own quickly.

Press MUTE 3 times until the side bar screen is displayed at the bottom.

Press ENTER

Set:

Standard is set to 115 use left button to set to 0

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Thanks Iglesia. It looks so much better now not that I have a lot of movies in 4:3 format.

I wonder if there is a setting for the zoom setting from X2 to about X1:06. I don't like the black bars at top and bottom of the screen. X2 is too close. Can that be set to varible zoom setting?

Edited by Iceman

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My 508XDA has started looking really bad. The amount of artifacts and judder is ridiculous. Any moderate to fast movement ends up in 1/2 inch blocks all over the screen and there are no settings that allow me to fix this.

All i can say is that this plasma is going downhill very fast. It seems the more i watch the worse it looks and that is from all types of sources (HD, SD, DVD, XBOX360) and all with different setting and ddrive modes.

not a happy customer - and they still havn't replaced my screen!!

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My 428XDA is arriving tomorrow between 8-10 am.. So ' EXCITED ' I don't suppose those 508 settings would be applicable or round about for my set..? any thoughts..? Does anyone have settings they are reasonably happy with. I will just be watching a small amount of FTA and the rest will be DVD via a Denon 2930, 720p thru 1080p.

Thanks,

Akseland.

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My 508XDA has started looking really bad. The amount of artifacts and judder is ridiculous. Any moderate to fast movement ends up in 1/2 inch blocks all over the screen and there are no settings that allow me to fix this.

All i can say is that this plasma is going downhill very fast. It seems the more i watch the worse it looks and that is from all types of sources (HD, SD, DVD, XBOX360) and all with different setting and ddrive modes.

not a happy customer - and they still havn't replaced my screen!!

How long have you had this issue ?

Unlike Pioneer to have a faulty set ? Have they diagnosed the issue ? This a good test of their reputable customer service.

Keep us informed,

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Potential 428xda buyer here and I've shopping around for prices. Best I've got so far is $4050. Has anyone been able to get much better than that?

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Potential 428xda buyer here and I've shopping around for prices. Best I've got so far is $4050. Has anyone been able to get much better than that?

Check the group buy thread.

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Potential 428xda buyer here and I've shopping around for prices. Best I've got so far is $4050. Has anyone been able to get much better than that?

That is too much. Wit a few hundreds more, you should get a 508XDA.

Edited by Iceman

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