whitey66 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 ^ The Holy Grail settings two posts above found HERE are definite winners. And I thought I was finished calibration,oh bugger it then,one more go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR.ZOIDBERG Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 (edited) While I agree that these setting's are a dramatic improvement over the four standard presets, im still experiencing a noticable 'yellow push' with the 'Warm 2' setting used especially with 'White Balance' all set to zero. I didn't realise this until i tried THESE 'Holy Grail' settings from avs forum >>> http://tjexbr.wiki.zoho.com/Marc-D-Carra.html (u can further enhance those settings by turning black correcter 'Off' & turning the 'Brightness down to 54ish, discoverd amogst the praise on avs)Those ^ settings use "Power Saver" set to low with the backlight raised for great black levels & to eliminate the odd smearing that one encounters. I FULLY recommend everyone try these settings & see for yourself's how much improvement & how much clearer everything looks with Marc's adjusted 'White balance' calibration. You'll never go back or have to fiddle in the dreaded menu again. One word AMAZING. Simply type them in to the 'Custom' or 'Cinema' preset & filck between these ones & the ones your using at the moment for your own comparison. I tried these calibrations by Marc D Carra and to be honest, I did not like them, thats just my opinion tho. Let us know what you think Whitey66 Edited July 29, 2008 by DR.ZOIDBERG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene1503562508 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 ^ It is also recommended to reduce Blurring/Pixelation/Ghosting/Smearing that "Noise Reduction" & "DRC" be turned Off. The only time you may notice an improvement with Noise Reuction on Low is when watching Film based material such as CSI Miami , NCIS etc to help reduce the "Mosqetoe" effect.The Holy Grail settings two posts above found HERE are definite winners. I noticed watching Two and a Half Men, there's considerable noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR.ZOIDBERG Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 I noticed watching Two and a Half Men, there's considerable noise. Yer thats were I see it the most too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitey66 Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Baaahhh,Holy Grail settings my arse!! If those settings are the "Holy Grail",then Dr Z's are "The Second Coming Of God". After using those settings by Marc D Carra,for the last 2 days I don't rate them at all. While they are not bad on HD signals,on SD signals they are very average. My wife and kids even said "what's up with the TV?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caff111 Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 So which is the best calibration setting for X series? So confused now........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doders Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 (edited) I have to agree. ,The Holy Grail settings looked too washed out for mine... I suggest Dr Z's as well. They look great.. on another topic I bought copy of the Blu Ray DVE disk today... I'll have a go at that and see if i can improve them even more over the coming week or so Edited August 1, 2008 by doders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caff111 Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I have to agree. ,The Holy Grail settings looked too washed out for mine... I suggest Dr Z's as well. They look great.. on another topic I bought copy of the Blu Ray DVE disk today... I'll have a go at that and see if i can improve them even more over the coming week or so With backlight set to 2 on Dr Z’s setting ………seems too dark to me …….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR.ZOIDBERG Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 caff111 try having it on either 4 or 5. Also I had it set as Noise Reduction Low but after finding some blur even with shows like "Two And A Half Men" I turned it to OFF and found it was better but you could see the noise in the background. Depends I guess what you dont mind seeing. doders, sounds good, let me know when you can. I am glade most of you like my settings, took me ages to get but it feels like I have finally got it right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitey66 Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 With backlight set to 2 on Dr Z’s setting ………seems too dark to me …….. This depends on how much light you have in your room.I find 2 is good for at night with the lights off,or in a light controlled room. I find that up to 6 is good in a very bright room,just adjust it to suit your room and conditions because eveybodies is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMan Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 (edited) Baaahhh,Holy Grail settings my arse!!If those settings are the "Holy Grail",then Dr Z's are "The Second Coming Of God". After using those settings by Marc D Carra,for the last 2 days I don't rate them at all. While they are not bad on HD signals,on SD signals they are very average. My wife and kids even said "what's up with the TV?" Yes the settings seem to make everything appear a little washed out at first, but after turning the 'black corrector' off & the brightness down to 54ish & the colour up to 45, it has rectified that issue for me & everything looks so crystal clear with no 'yellow haze' & the greens are so green just how i like it. Just goes to show how each TV may vary a little from set to set. It also depends if you want a proper calibration meeting the DVE & HQV Benchmark setup DVD's or just something typed in that looks good to you. (I would want both). Of course one lot of setting's isn't going to please everyone & different lighting conditions have to be taken into account but i simply wanted you to compare them with other setting's using a different preset to see how much of a yellow push the Sony produces with the 'white balance' setting's left on 0 & how much of differnce there is with Marc D Carra's offset adjusted 'white balance' settings. Edited August 1, 2008 by MrMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caff111 Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Yes the settings seem to make everything appear a little washed out at first, but after turning the 'black corrector' off & the brightness down to 54ish & the colour up to 45, it has rectified that issue for me & everything looks so crystal clear with no 'yellow haze' & the greens are so green just how i like it.Just goes to show how each TV may vary a little from set to set. It also depends if you want a proper calibration meeting the DVE & HQV Benchmark setup DVD's or just something typed in that looks good to you. (I would want both). Of course one lot of setting's isn't going to please everyone & different lighting conditions have to be taken into account but i simply wanted you to compare them with other setting's using a different preset to see how much of a yellow push the Sony produces with the 'white balance' setting's left on 0 & how much of differnce there is with Marc D Carra's offset adjusted 'white balance' settings. what does Marc D Carra's adjusted white balance setting suppose to do on colours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMan Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 (edited) what does Marc D Carra's adjusted white balance setting suppose to do on colours? As above, they compensate for the "yellow haze" that the Sony produces with the out of box setting's (white balnce 0). Also makes the colour representation very accurate aswell with deep rich colours. Marc's settings use the 'Live Colour' set to medium & 'Colour Space' set to 'Wide' which produces the seemingly infinite diversity of colors of the real world, particularly deep reds, greens and clear blues that have not been fully represented with conventional out of box settings. . Sonys Live Color Creation for clear blues, natural greens and an overall vibrant color is term for their technology combining WCG-CCFL backlighting and advanced chroma signal processing algorithms. Edited August 1, 2008 by MrMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caff111 Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 As above, they compensate for the "yellow haze" that the Sony produces with the out of box setting's (white balnce 0). Also makes the colour representation very accurate aswell with deep rich colours. Marc's settings use the 'Live Colour" set to medium which produces the seemingly infinite diversity of colors of the real world, particularly deep reds, greens and clear blues that have not been fully represented with conventional out of box settings. . Sonys Live Color Creation for clear blues, natural greens and an overall vibrant color is term for their technology combining WCG-CCFL backlighting and advanced chroma signal processing algorithms. Does live colour works on SD TV like foxtel as well ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMan Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Yes. It simply means it produces a wider colour gamut which enhances reds & greens resulting in a more vibrant life like image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caff111 Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Yes. It simply means it produces a wider colour gamut which enhances reds & greens resulting in a more vibrant life like image. Then what does color space - Wide do on his setting?? Thanks ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMan Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 (edited) Then what does color space - Wide do on his setting?? Thanks ! It is used in conjunction with 'Live Colour' to further produce a wider gamut of greens, reds & blue's. Refer to THIS thread or google it for a more in depth answer. Edited August 1, 2008 by MrMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caff111 Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 It is used in conjunction with 'Live Colour' to further produce a wider gamut of greens, reds & blue's. Refer to THIS thread or google it for a more in depth answer. Should I turn down the sharpness for SD programs like foxtel ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jyavenard Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 DRC Mode - MODE 1DRC Palette - REALITY 40 / CLARITY 60 What mode are you using? This is disabled on mine and show "not available with current signal", this is connected to my computer in HDMI (1920x1080) Jean-Yves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caff111 Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 (edited) I've used Marc D Carra's setting with little changes: POWER SAVER SET TO LOW ***IMPORTANT*** CUSTOM Backlight - 8 picture - 90 brightness - 52 Colour - 44 Hue - 0 Color Temp - Neutral Sharpness - 50 NR - Low MPEG NR - Off DRC Mode - MODE 1 DRC Palette - REALITY 40 / CLARITY 60 Back Corrector - Off A.C.E. - Low Gamma - Off clear white - Low color space - Wide live color - Medium Detail Enhancer - Low Edge Enhancer - Low Red Gain -14 Green Gain -6 Blue Gain -7 Red Bias -3 Green Bias -3 Blue Bias 3 Tell me what u guys think !!! Edited August 2, 2008 by caff111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caff111 Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 I've used Marc D Carra's setting with little changes:POWER SAVER SET TO LOW ***IMPORTANT*** CUSTOM Backlight - 8 picture - 90 brightness - 52 Colour - 43 Hue - 0 Color Temp - Neutral Sharpness - 50 NR - Low MPEG NR - Off DRC Mode - MODE 1 DRC Palette - REALITY 40 / CLARITY 60 Back Corrector - Off A.C.E. - Low Gamma - Off clear white - Low color space - Wide live color - Medium Detail Enhancer - Low Edge Enhancer - Low Red Gain -14 Green Gain -6 Blue Gain -7 Red Bias -3 Green Bias -3 Blue Bias 3 Tell me what u guys think !!! Any opinions on my setting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meh:) Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Any opinions on my setting? Isn't that backlight setting a bit high? I would have thought around 4 would have been good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caff111 Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Isn't that backlight setting a bit high? I would have thought around 4 would have been good. but power saving has been set to low ........I reckon backlight 8 is good ........but it also depends on your lighting condition in your room.........u can adjust it to lower if u prefer........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caff111 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 I've used Marc D Carra's setting with little changes:POWER SAVER SET TO LOW ***IMPORTANT*** CUSTOM Backlight - 8 picture - 90 brightness - 52 Colour - 43 Hue - 0 Color Temp - Neutral Sharpness - 50 NR - Low MPEG NR - Off DRC Mode - MODE 1 DRC Palette - REALITY 40 / CLARITY 60 Back Corrector - Off A.C.E. - Low Gamma - Off clear white - Low color space - Wide live color - Medium Detail Enhancer - Low Edge Enhancer - Low Red Gain -14 Green Gain -6 Blue Gain -7 Red Bias -3 Green Bias -3 Blue Bias 3 Tell me what u guys think !!! Any suggestion on how to improve my setting above? Thanks !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMan Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 (edited) ^You seem very proud of them caff111 & i dont blame you as they highly regarded elsewhere. They are the same as mine except i have brightness on 55 & I dont use noise reduction or DRC Mode as they DEFINITLEY contribute to ghosting/halo effects/pixelation & no 'clear white' either & 'Edge Enhancer ' off. However i sometimes do use ACE & or Gamma on Low when watching DivX streamed to the PS3. Edited August 4, 2008 by MrMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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