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Hell, why not just back all the containers up at the wharf and cut out all the retailers altogether.

i'd love that given where i work :lol: .................i'd love another 507.........508........50?

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I agree 110%. And if you think the 507 is good you should see the calibrated 50MXE20!!

bastard!................trying to make me feel bad about my 507 :P

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It looks like I'm going to buy a Panasonic, simply because the Pioneer I want is just too expensive. If they were more reasonably priced, I could probably afford the difference and have a better panel. That annoys me.

I'm not sure why you can't just wait if this is the panel you really want.

I've waited 5 years for Plasma to evolve to this point, and been saving a little bit every year for it so I can afford to pay the premium and buy it when its released. And it's not even THAT expensive for god's sake. You used to have to pay over 10g for a premium panel like this!

In 12-18 months, you'll have the Panasonic's et al using similar tech and you'll have a Kuro-like panel at mid-range prices. Meanwhile Pioneer's panels will get better again and they'll charge a premium for it.

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I'm not sure why you can't just wait if this is the panel you really want.

I've waited 5 years for Plasma to evolve to this point, and been saving a little bit every year for it so I can afford to pay the premium and buy it when its released. And it's not even THAT expensive for god's sake. You used to have to pay over 10g for a premium panel like this!

In 12-18 months, you'll have the Panasonic's et al using similar tech and you'll have a Kuro-like panel at mid-range prices. Meanwhile Pioneer's panels will get better again and they'll charge a premium for it.

I agree. Why must we all have it now. Just keep saving, prices will fall and you'll get what you want. Or buy a 507 now.

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Hi All

Looking to buy my first thin screen.

Been living with a 68cm Panasonic Dome for about 14 years and at least 30,000 hours of viewing time, still going strong.

Had her first repair for a faulty cap in her vertical sync board only this year. BEST TV ever made I say. Great PQ and plenty of AV inputs. She will always have a place in my heart but I feel it time to for something bigger.

At the time I bought her she was very expensive compared with other 68cm. But I wanted quality and the best. And of course value but I think people confuse value with cheap. I value PQ above all else and therefore would still buy a Great CRT over a thin screen if I could still get one big enough.

I doubt many would agree with me on this, however to the point.

YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!!

Argue all you want but it will always come back to this because of what people see as VALUE and what they are prepared to pay for it.

Pioneer may be right or wrong in not selling their top screen through JB. But put one side by side with the new 8 series and I doubt people who go to JB will be prepared to pay the extra cost. I go to JB because as a general rule they are cheap. I go to Specialty stores for the quality and service.

Some say Pioneer should act like Panasonic, then you wouldn't get a Pioneer.

I believe there is a difference in quality and a price to be paid for it.

Finally, as much as I want a cheap deal I also believe Pioneer and anyone else has just as much of a right to make as much as they can. They are in business to make money at the end of the day, not to give away cheap TVs.

Don't blame the seller if you can't afford what they are selling....

Senverse

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To me, JB is a discount store.

They should stick to what they do best, selling Soniq and other cheap crap.

agree...

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... And if you think the 507 is good you should see the calibrated 50MXE20!!

uncalibrated 50MXE20 better than most 1080p's around now IMHO Lyle.. calibration coming up real soon now..

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ROTFL!! This is the best quote on this site!

Ahahaha I realised afterwards that it did scan a bit strangely but couldn't be bothered changing it.

How about this then: No more low-quality stuff, we'll pay whatever is required to get the quality we want and expect.

Whenever my wife thinks about going the cheap route I just look at her with a slightly scolding look and say "nice things."

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I haven't checked the latest prices, but when you factor in warranty, delivery and installation, is it really THAT much more expensive?

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I frankly can’t believe the fuss that is being made over this. $7k for a high quality 50” 1080 Plasma is NOT expensive, what is wrong with you people?

The previous model was $10k only a few months back so $7k for a newer and much better model is good value.

$10-11k for the 60” is also very reasonable; I remember when a poor quality 768 60” Plasma cost $40k.

HiFi gear has always been marketed in the same way as the top end Pioneer’s.

You could always buy a “Stereo” from a department or chain store, but real HiFi gear was only available from specialty retailers and that situation has stayed the same for the last 40 years.

I know people in the high end HiFi business and they complain that many people are happy to utilise the service provided by high end retailers, like well set up demonstration rooms with hundreds of thousands of dollars in stock or even in home demos, but once they have decided what they want they go somewhere else looking to save a few hundred dollars on a multi thousand dollar purchase.

We are tuning into a bunch of tight arse bastards who want the best quality products and expect good service and warranty, but just don’t want to pay for it.

I personally think Pioneer is smart for going up market looking for exclusivity and “prestige”. As long as the products are consistently better then the opposition in terms of performance, reliability and service they should succeed. Even the fact that they are the most expensive adds to the “prestige”.

Toyota went the same way when they created their Lexus division to go head to head with the likes of Benz, BMW, Jaguar etc. At first they had to build the name by providing better build quality and features then the opposition as well as outstanding customer service. After people realised how good the product and service was, the prestige of the name grew and prices increased. The higher the price the greater the prestige.

A prestige name is worth a lot once established, and plenty of people pay extra for products just because of the name. 3 series BMW’s and C class Benz’s are really nothing special, but they represent the vast majority of sales for those manufactures. People buy them because they are the cheapest way to get the badge on the bonnet and the perceived “prestige” that comes with it. The real high quality models on which the manufacturer’s reputation is based cost 3 to 6 times as much as the big selling base models and turn over in very small numbers.

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I frankly can’t believe the fuss that is being made over this. $7k for a high quality 50†1080 Plasma is NOT expensive, what is wrong with you people?

...

We are tuning into a bunch of tight arse bastards who want the best quality products and expect good service and warranty, but just don’t want to pay for it.

Yes and yes :-) , but ...

Quite a few of us know what we want and so don't need to go to a specialist store, but marketing strategies like this don't give us the option.

And frankly, some of the "specialist" stores still have assistants that are biased/opinionated/stupid. As an example, I had a lovely conversation a few years ago with the manager of the (now defunct) DME HiFi shop in George St Sydney. It was going nicely until he insisted that the Pioneer plasmas were the best on the market because they were the only ones that didn't need to do image scaling on video signals ... WTF? There are precisely zero video formats of 1280x786.

I personally think Pioneer is smart for going up market looking for exclusivity and “prestigeâ€. As long as the products are consistently better then the opposition in terms of performance, reliability and service they should succeed. Even the fact that they are the most expensive adds to the “prestigeâ€.

Toyota went the same way when they created their Lexus division to go head to head with the likes of Benz, BMW, Jaguar etc. At first they had to build the name by providing better build quality and features then the opposition as well as outstanding customer service. After people realised how good the product and service was, the prestige of the name grew and prices increased. The higher the price the greater the prestige.

A prestige name is worth a lot once established, and plenty of people pay extra for products just because of the name. ...

Bad comparison me thinks. Lexus is new and growing with the up-market strategy, Pioneer is established and struggling with the up-market strategy.

Markets change and marketing strategies need to be adaptable. I'm not sure Pioneer has been all that smart over the past 3 years.

Adrian

Edited by Ajax9000

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I frankly can’t believe the fuss that is being made over this. $7k for a high quality 50†1080 Plasma is NOT expensive, what is wrong with you people?

That was my point exactly.

I'm actually a little concerned over the possibility of a group buy because a lot of people seem to have unrealistic expectations on what a premium 50" panel should bring. These ones are so cheap that they're only JUST out of reach of the average buyer, which is causing all the fuss. If they were 10k, there'd be no fuss at all.

Edited by DaVillan

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