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I'm interested in this group buy however am very concerned at the personal details being posted on the website.

you don't have to post your email details on a web page - communication can be done via PM initially

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Have added my name to the list. Regards. Go Cats!

I have done a lot of reading about how well the Kuro range has been accepted in the UK and Europe. I am in the market for the LX608, as I currently have the Toshiba 57" RPTV (1080i). I am cashed up so to speak, but I am very wary of the pitfalls of a group buy situation, having read the debacle with the Onkyo 875 group buy. With information so freely available these days, I think it is very hard to keep prices under wraps. The saying that comes to mind is "Loose lips sink ships".

I am interested IF the group buy CAN significantly under cut the best price going around ... but HOW will we know this is the case ? With people snooping around asking, it is likely that someone outside of the group buy (or within) will find out what price is being negotiated, then spoil the party. I also think that people need to be able to see the product that they are interested in, so they can see for their own eyes what they are buying. I intend to take along one of my Blu-ray discs to compare. However, for all the ifs and buts, count me in as interested for the LX608.

mr campbell

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its amazing how the list is growing over $250k worth of potential sales and growing we should be able to negotiate a good deal for all concerned (including supplier)

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I am interested IF the group buy CAN significantly under cut the best price going around ... but HOW will we know this is the case ? With people snooping around asking, it is likely that someone outside of the group buy (or within) will find out what price is being negotiated, then spoil the party. I also think that people need to be able to see the product that they are interested in, so they can see for their own eyes what they are buying. I intend to take along one of my Blu-ray discs to compare. However, for all the ifs and buts, count me in as interested for the LX608.

mr campbell

I am interested too pending what sort of price it comes too? Should I register in case or what?

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I am interested too pending what sort of price it comes too? Should I register in case or what?

Yes you should but you need to have read all the "conditions" for this !

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First Post! Been watching the forum as I'm in the market to purchase a new 50" plasma. Just when I went to buy the 507 they became very hard to find. Last one I missed sold at WOW for $4000.

So now I waiting till the 508 comes out!

Count me in pending price and availability!

Willing to pay between $4.5 - $5.

Post Code: 4849 Far North QLD

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Count me in pending price and availability!

Hi BelDin,

Welcome aboard! Point your browser to the URL in my signature and follow the instructions there to add your name to the list.

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I Just added this summary of issues from this thread to the wiki. Hope that is ok ;)

Issues that need to be resolved:

-How we organise communication/purchasing so group buy is not compromised.

-Price?

-Timeframe / Date that GB will be finalised.

- XD (720p) vs LX (1080p) (Do we wait till 1080p model is released / Do we include 1080p model in group buy)

-Total Availability / Metro Availability / Regional Availability (How does distribution of GB Members affect choice of retailer)

- Freight / Shipping Charges

-Single national retailer versus multiple state based dealerships?

-Return Policy

-Warranty

-Time from order to delivery

-Is Installation and ISF callibration included?

-Extras (Stands, Wall Mounts, Cables etc)

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I am interested too pending what sort of price it comes too? Should I register in case or what?

Hi Infest,

There is no obligation to make the deposit, at this stage it is more an indication that you would be willing to take part in the group buy - at the right price. You may remove yourself from the group buy if you so wish.

I would like to take this opportunity to reiterate to all that I suggest you see the TV before adding yourself to the GB. I will take no responsibility if you add yourself to the list, pay for the product, have it delivered, and then decide you don't like it. As has been pointed out numerous times, there is a ridiculous amount of hype surrounding this product, and undoubtably there are going to be individuals who feel that it does not live up to the hype.

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I am interested IF the group buy CAN significantly under cut the best price going around ... but HOW will we know this is the case ? With people snooping around asking, it is likely that someone outside of the group buy (or within) will find out what price is being negotiated, then spoil the party.

Hi mr campbell,

You have raised a very good point with this.

I would like to remind all current and potential group buy members that they are not to communicate the negotiated price with anybody. The people who are most likely to suffer are the GB members themselves.

I have asked that relevant price information be passed on to me after launch. The GB members will then be made aware of the lowest street price that we are aware of on a weekly basis through PMs and emails. This does not mean that I want members to go out and see what price they could get for a GB. If retailers become aware that there is a GB going on with several different negotiators trying to claim that they are acting on its behalf, we will lose credibility when we try to negotiate for real. They also may be less willing to negotiate if they know that they keep speaking to people about this group buy purchase, but noone is willing to lay down cash. Finally, they may think that obviously we are all really, really keen, and may not lower the price to the level we are after.

What we want to do is have an educated knowledge about what others are buying their products for after launch. We can watch the price trend together, and then when people are ready, we negotiate to outperform that best possible price.

No negotiations are to take place on the behalf of this GB without me giving the green light.

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I Just added this summary of issues from this thread to the wiki. Hope that is ok ;)

Issues that need to be resolved:

-How we organise communication/purchasing so group buy is not compromised.

-Price?

-Timeframe / Date that GB will be finalised.

- XD (720p) vs LX (1080p) (Do we wait till 1080p model is released / Do we include 1080p model in group buy)

-Total Availability / Metro Availability / Regional Availability (How does distribution of GB Members affect choice of retailer)

- Freight / Shipping Charges

-Single national retailer versus multiple state based dealerships?

-Return Policy

-Warranty

-Time from order to delivery

-Is Installation and ISF callibration included?

-Extras (Stands, Wall Mounts, Cables etc)

Thanks brisvegas1. I will endeavour to address these issues as far as is possible in the private communication to be posted out to all GB members tomorrow. I will then look to build the FAQ into the wiki page after this, and will post these issues as a point there - and as they become resolved or more issues come to light I will update it.

It is important to realise that there are a number of issues to be flattened out. But that's why we're all here so early. Generating discussion about these points is the only way to resolve them.

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I am interested in 508 Kuro in Sydney, thx

Hi Haosan,

Please follow the link in my signature to add your name to the GB list. Thanks!

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Hi mr campbell,

You have raised a very good point with this.

I would like to remind all current and potential group buy members that they are not to communicate the negotiated price with anybody. The people who are most likely to suffer are the GB members themselves.

I have asked that relevant price information be passed on to me after launch. The GB members will then be made aware of the lowest street price that we are aware of on a weekly basis through PMs and emails. This does not mean that I want members to go out and see what price they could get for a GB. If retailers become aware that there is a GB going on with several different negotiators trying to claim that they are acting on its behalf, we will lose credibility when we try to negotiate for real. They also may be less willing to negotiate if they know that they keep speaking to people about this group buy purchase, but noone is willing to lay down cash. Finally, they may think that obviously we are all really, really keen, and may not lower the price to the level we are after.

What we want to do is have an educated knowledge about what others are buying their products for after launch. We can watch the price trend together, and then when people are ready, we negotiate to outperform that best possible price.

No negotiations are to take place on the behalf of this GB without me giving the green light.

When is the launch date ?

When are the 508/608 panels going to be on sale in retail outlets, so we can have a look ?

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When is the launch date ?

When are the 508/608 panels going to be on sale in retail outlets, so we can have a look ?

check out www.kuro.com.au for launch

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check out www.kuro.com.au for launch

And for a counter that haunts me in my sleep.

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The Australian dollar is being swept along in a revaluation of global currencies, jumping almost 5 per cent in the past four days to hit US87c. Analysts believe the Australian dollar -- last night trading at US86.83c, heading towards the 18-year high of US88.45c struck in July -- could pass the US90c barrier in coming days.

I wonder what will happen with regards to australian pioneer pricing if the Aus dollar keeps going up aginst the US? Or is it the Japanese Yen which is more important?

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I wonder what will happen with regards to australian pioneer pricing if the Aus dollar keeps going up aginst the US? Or is it the Japanese Yen which is more important?

I am sure the yen exchange rate is the critical one, the prices would be locked in now and only change if a prolonged and large shift in exchange rates happened. they may have hedged exchange rate variations as aud has been volatile lately , nearly 88 cents usd then 78 cents us and back to 86/87cents us all in the matter of 4 or 5 weeks, still it is heading in right direction and they (pioneer) might be more generous in rebates for bulk purchases, cheers alan

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Do we know if Aus is getting the 42" Kuros as well or just the bigger screens

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Was just reading through brisvagas1's "summary of issues" and I feel that most of them should answewr themselves when the panels are actually released.

Things like -Freight/shipping

-Installation

-Warranty

are usually included when buying a Pioneer......but we won't know for sure until thet are released.

Single national retailer versus multiple state based dealerships?

I'm NOT sure if this will matter?? depends on Pioneer and if there offering installation?? If the "lucky" retailer is BASED in SA wouldn't Pionner just deliver it to other areas?

Wait until release of 1080p...?? looking at the wiki it would appear most people are CONSIDERING the 1080p models. So I think its a definate YES from me.....actually reading older post alot of people seem to be happy to wait until November/December so we can get a better feel of the market and if possible get a better price.

After all isn't SAVING money why were here for?

creamop66

Edited by creamop66

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Do we know if Aus is getting the 42" Kuros as well or just the bigger screens

They're getting the 42" 720p models. I don't think we are getting the 1080p models which is a real bugger as I have a very close viewing distance and 1080p at 42" diagonal is perfect for me.

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I was requested by GruG to post these here regarding my experience in organizing the recent Bravia Group Buy:

How did you find the whole GB experience?

It went very smoothly actually, better than what I thought, thanks to a very friendly and accomodating sales manager.

The price and the service is great and I think many people are happy about that.

I am certain most of you won't be able to get that price individually if you walk-in to a retailer.

The only thing that people don't like is, since it's a store from Sydney, people from interstate are a bit reluctant to buy due to querry of difficulty getting it repair and replaced if anything goes wrong.

Organizing a GB is not that easy, but it's worth it in the end as everyone is happy to get a group price.

My job was made easier because I got help from many members in looking around for the best deal, creating the wiki for adding people's name to the list and to help me inform other members regarding the deal.

I, myself have not order the TV because I am not able to get day off work. Most likely I will order in coming week.

Those who got the TV either through delivery or pick-up from the store were very happy with the BG process and the price.

How did you negotiate with the retailer?

What do you organise as the method for the GB purchase (no price details required), i.e deposit, did retailer purchase more product, shipping arrangments, delivery times?

Negotiation is mainly through the phone for me since I was in Adelaide and the retailer is in Sydney. You must be surprise why I choose this retailer over those in Adelaide. It is because it gave me the best price, and being a large and reputable retailer, I have full trust in them.

Main thing to discuss for is of course the price. Different retailer will have different condition for a group buy.

Some will want to have the exact number or minimum number of people involved before letting you know the price.

Mine was quite easy and frank, he needs at least 4-5 people involved and he gave me a certain % off the retail price of the TV.

This is easily achived since in our GB, there are already more than 180 interested and the list is still growing.

Next thing will be payment.

What are the option for local and interstate people?

Can we use card? Any surcharge if you use card?

Delivery

How much it cost for local and interstate (metro / suburb)?

Delivery time, insurance, tracking

Extended warranty

Offered by 3rd party? - which is usually the case

What does the warranty covers?

Replacement, repair issue. Dead pixel / clouding etc

Deadline for the deal?

Once the price and term is agreeable, then how do you go about in buying?

I suggest everyone deals directly with the salesperson.

Get the salesperson contact details, negotiate with him so that everyone can contact him directly for purchase stating you are from GB organized by so and so.

This is what happes to our GB. Sydney people will contact the sales manager directly, they agreed on the price and they go to the shop to pay and pick-up or organized delivery.

For interstate people, we contact the manager, agreed on the price, he send us a sales docket though email or fax, we pay him by bank deposit and then wait for the delivery.

How did you communicate with GB members?

Communication is by forum thread and mass PM

Initially it is easy, but once the lists grew, it's really hard to track everyone.

So with the help of members from the forum, wiki was created:

http://sonygb.pbwiki.com/

People can just add their name (exact dtvforum display name) to the list.

Once I have the details of the deal, I just mass PM everyone in the list.

There might be certain sensitive information that the retailer would not like you to disclose the the public forum, such as the price and the retailer's name.

So pm is the best method for this purposes.

What do you wish that group buy members had done differently?

Be patient. It takes time to negotiate and find the best deal. If you rush into it especially before the TV is even out, then you might miss out on better deal, which you might regret. Remember that the organizer is trying his best to get the deal and to message everyone, which takes time. The organizer have life too outside the forum, so he might be busy sometimes and may appeared to ignore your message even though he does not intentionally do so.

What do you wish that you as the group buy organiser had done differently?

Get a deal from a large national retailer which can offer local pickup from any state.

But this is really difficult to organize because a lot of salesperson might not be able to organize it unless it involve the head office.

Remember, GB get a great price because the retailer can sell large amount of TVs at lower price compare to individual purchase. So it is usually easier to buy from one shop rather than many shops.

Hope this information will help with the Group Buy.

Good luck and hope everyone will be happy in the end

Edited by beejean

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Hope this information will help with the Group Buy.

Good luck and hope everyone will be happy in the end

Thanks beejean for taking the time to help us all out, despite being super-busy. I know everyone here greatly appreciates this information.

+1 beejean.

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