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Well maybe HDDVDUser enjoyed the red before he wrote. That would make more sense. He is an avid tester though with access to many many sets...So the intention is good and his opinions are of interest even if they need a bit of literary interpretation. Very classy of you to put shmando at ease. he has made a good purchase and if he likes the pq then he should know he has one of the best. Personal taste! Re my typo with 10,000 versus 5,000 pana contrast. It is a significant difference and one couldn't help think that the diminished margin of black to white might have been affected by the antiglare screen. Although contrast and brightness specs come from the actual screen tech measurement not the observer. I think I should take lunch to Bernies.

good points there hagis ! . re measurements I wouldnt worry abotu it too much theyre maaufacteur listed specs and each one measures them differently and theres no standards to compare with so they could be jsut wild claims or marketing numbers. thats not to rubbish either set, nto my intention at all, but mroe to the point why its important to judge with your own eyes rather than believe all you read. as per haggis theres likely very little if any difference anyways and you cant pick any then why worry :)

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No offence, hddvduser, but after a few glassessss of red..... it was BLOODY hard work reading your post!!!

I know this is a forum, but try using full-stops and capital leters to indicate sentence breaks. It makes it MUCH easier for the rest of us!!

I hear what your're saying.

But, where the hell did you compare the Hitachi and Panasonic?

If this is what you found, it sounds like someone had seriously stuffed around with the Pana's settings. To be sure, the Pana's blacks aren't B-L-A-C-K. But they're noticably blacker than the Hitachi's. More to the point, they're about as black as a current-generation Pioneer. Maybe the new Samsung will beat it. Maybe it'll be as black as the new Kuro range for around half the price.... Guess we'll see.

But in the meantime, the Panasonic currently has the deepest blacks and the best picture for reasonable money. From what I saw, it's basically a TX-50PX70A... but with more resolution, a spunkier chassis, and a decent anti-glare screen.

did you see the tv running on the panasonic demo stand they have , if so they are running there hd loop on it , with panasonic cheerleader and all the rest , i dont need a red or 2 to test a few screens , what you have to remember is everybody has there own choice in what they like , i know alot of people love the anti glar screen due to not having a dark room , it doesnt really matter to me ,but i know when you stick the hqv disc in it doesnt lie....... personally they are alll good sets , it doesnt matter what i say or you say people will pick for one or another reason and the person buying it has to be happy at home with it as he or she lives with it ,there is so many reasons why people will want either one like i said due to glass windows in house or 24p on the other it comes down to personal choice, all tv have good and bads it is just what you want to live with , so its not a bang up on either one ......

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Could any of you guys, in particular some of you that have already bought this set like blary or shmando, tell me what do you mean when you talk about the pq of this set when playing SD FTA or Foxtel, being acceptable or better than expected, what is this compaired to other 1080 panels or actually you could get better picture in 50" on a 720 or lower panel.

Thanks for your help

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Not 1000:1, but 10,000:1

But see if you can compare the two side-by-side and let us know.

$10 says that there's a very marginal visible difference - if any.

With all TVs (and projectors) - contrast ratio figures are quoted, rated, bandied around and exaggerated to the point of comedy.

At Bernies, they also have the new Panasonic 58-inch, which is rated at "10,000:1".

Compare it to the 50 with the same material and same settings, and see what you think. (For the record, the $13,000 65-inch is rated at "only" 5000:1).

As always... only trust what you SEE. But try to be informed, try to callibrate the TVs... and maybe even try to get the shop to switch the lights out for a minute or two, so you can REALLY check out the blacks and contrast!

;)

Bernies and the Hitachi V Panasonic shoot out! Today I took the picnic table and a chilled Veuve Clicquot to the Neutral Bay store with the P50X01 and the 50PZ700A geared for testing. Jake the most able salesman at Bernies joined me. After collecting the remote controls from the secret vault after some persuasion. (Like: "I'll go away and come back when you find the controls..call me") I firstly went about diminishing the glare from VIVID to natural and Contrast from beyond 11 to just slightly above half way and ditto with tint and brightness. Yes! it looked dimmer beside the other sets but they were all set to Luna Park. The Hit P50X01 was right behind me and as a long term Hitachi fan I shed a tear! It looked like a poor distant undernourished cousin to the Panasonic. I wont go in to all the observations on the Pana - they are best stated by haggis2 on his Haggis2 @ Sep 30 2007, 02:08 PM post. I am a tad concerned about the antiglare screen on the Z700. I think Haggis owes me $10 because there is a difference (in my opinion) and that is a slightly ever so slightl decrease in sharpness..BUT! still way sharper than any other set. Resolution Ten 10/10. But I could still see reflections with the antiglare screen..The Ultimate PERFECT in my mind would be the Panasonic Z700 WITHOUT the antiglare screen. I'd open my wallet without hesitation. Take care, I've not considered the other important elements and specs on the Pana such as how many HDMI inputs and the Tuner and other peculiar operating conditions. This is better looked at on paper and compared with other spec sheets. I did however exit with a good look at Spiderman in flight from a BlueRay DVD and it is stunning. The poor old Hitachi was like an old comfy Riley or Rolls. The Panasonic took off like a Masserati. Bright as a button..energetic and contemporary..AND! You CAN get proper flesh tones..The pictures are not gaudy..You are in control. For me! VALE the Hitachi (except for my current lovable 1024 x 1024 42" set, which is brilliant) Add to this criticism all that Haggis2 said on HIS Bernie Shootout and you've got my complete opinion. Thanks DTV Forum for opening my eyes to a new approach. Denzil1 Reborn!

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i dont agree with what you are saying about the blacks they are not so black they run a firm gray look, when you look at the screen it looks like you are looking at a old rear projection with the filtered screen i couldnt live with that , the colours are not exact they lack depth ,like you are looking at off colours when looking at them , the picture setting on tv looks very poor with brightness the skins tones are very poor, it reminds me of a plasma quit a few years ago , like the first gen lg pictures that lacked contrast ,it looks like it has a cloudy effect on it, when you run the demo panasonic run on it it looks good but when you run free to air blu-ray movies it lacks depth i dont like it , when running blu-ray like casino royal on it it does have the judder effect on it on both pioneer and panasonic player... the hitachi has a few problems as well depending on what you are looking for , i dont think the anti glar screen is real good , the only reason they did it was because of the problem panasonic had with brightness, tring to get there panel as bright as there px70 series....i tested the panasonic with the HQV disc and calabrated it and it failed a few times when i tested it , the grey scales on the hitachi was alot better on the test... so you make up your own mind ,... what i have found out is if you test the hitachi with a digital box connected to it running av input it doesnt look as good as running the tuner inside and the pana then looked a little sharper when runnnig through av input for free to air tv , but when running both with its own tuner the panasonic in my eyes isnt as good , they both pulsate , its something people will have to learn to live with ....

+1

I think a lot of out there are buying on perceived notions about Panasonic. If you are happy with PZ700 then you are very easy to please.

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I think a lot of out there are buying on perceived notions about Panasonic. If you are happy with PZ700 then you are very easy to please.

Hardly a perception or a notion. The appreciation was through practical and factual viewing. And I am far from easy to please. But bear in mind the task was not to find the ULTIMATE screen but to compare the Hitachi and the Panasonic..The Pan is better in every picture quality way. If you consider there is a better screen that wont cost Pioneer prices then let me know and I'll happily take your advice and test view.

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Could any of you guys, in particular some of you that have already bought this set like blary or shmando, tell me what do you mean when you talk about the pq of this set when playing SD FTA or Foxtel, being acceptable or better than expected, what is this compaired to other 1080 panels or actually you could get better picture in 50" on a 720 or lower panel.

Thanks for your help

Gonzo, a very good and relevant question. HD or Full HD panels are bloody good at displaying very good images. One of my concerns when purchasing was that I don't always watch HD or FullHD images. Foxtel being a classic example. You won't have to look too hard on this forum to see that the general (correct) consensus is that foxtel PQ is ordinary.

When I say Foxtel viewing is acceptable I mean I can actually get through a movie or major sports event without giving up because it is unwatchable.

A family member recently phoned me and rattled of some fancy specs of an LCD panel they were looking to buy. My response "Sounds great, have you seen it in action?"...."No it's in a box at Aldi, but if specs are OK I'll give it a go." They only watch foxtel and the occassional dvd. I've seen it in action... Foxtel looks like shite...my sister has seen it and reckons it makes her sick to watch :wacko:

When I say better than expected, it means I had anticipated a panel aimed at the hidef viewing experience would perform poorly in the non-hi def arena. The hitachi does not perform poorly with lower quality inputs. It's not perfect, but that is because of the source matreial.

The more technically minded here may comment about how a panel scales (or whatever) various sources.

For real world day to day use the hitachi is great. For full blown full hd use it's brilliant.

When shopping around try and see a range of different inputs or sources into the various panels you're interested in. These inputs should reflect your typical usage...if bulk of usage is foxtel find a store with panel you're keen on that also demo's foxtel.

NB: comments petain exclusively to hitachi panel and are in no way intended as a comparo to any other panel. :rolleyes:

cheers

blairy

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Nice to get bagged when putting up a post

Thanks guys.

For reference, yes that is the TV and model that I bought

Yes HN just took a thousand off the price that morning, down to $3,999 (all stores I believe)

Yes my old LG has a better picture when I plug the same cable from Hitachi into LG etc

HN could not put the Hitachii on the same channel as the others to compare.

Almost bought the pana but the Hitachi on its blue ray movie looked great in the shop.

HN have said do not know what is wrong.

Hitachi have contacted us.

They are waiting on info from their techos in Japan as they have had a few exact same "complaints" in the last few days.

And yes if it does not "improve" it goes.

Just to put the truth out.

No bullshit, no trolling, no other crap people insinuate, purely the truth of the TV I bought that does not live up to expectations

Cheers

Waz

Wazza, I've mentioned before that you seem to have a faulty set...you also seem to be doing something about it.

I haven't (and will not) bag you...however your first five posts on this forum were identical...just lodged in different topics...bagging out this set.

On the one hand, this is a sign of a trollster...in your case I believe it to be a sign of someone who has made a substantial purchase they regret (or are disappointed with).

Please keep us up to speed with your interaction with hitachi. One never knows what afer sales service is like until one actually has to use it. Hopefully your experience will be positive but I'd be keen to know how this pans out for you.

My hitachi panel replaced a Palsonic CRT 76 cm HD WS... I cannot rave enough about the after sale service that palsonic provide...sensational.

Waz...please let us know how this pans out for you.

Thanks

blairy

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NB: comments petain exclusively to hitachi panel and are in no way intended as a comparo to any other panel. :rolleyes:

ok....then whats the standard you base your reviews upon? the hitachi unit with your old CRT TV? or the hitachi unit upon it self after tuning? :blink:

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Bernies and the Hitachi V Panasonic shoot out! Today I took the picnic table and a chilled Veuve Clicquot to the Neutral Bay store with the P50X01 and the 50PZ700A geared for testing. Jake the most able salesman at Bernies joined me. After collecting the remote controls from the secret vault after some persuasion. (Like: "I'll go away and come back when you find the controls..call me") I firstly went about diminishing the glare from VIVID to natural and Contrast from beyond 11 to just slightly above half way and ditto with tint and brightness. Yes! it looked dimmer beside the other sets but they were all set to Luna Park. The Hit P50X01 was right behind me and as a long term Hitachi fan I shed a tear! It looked like a poor distant undernourished cousin to the Panasonic. I wont go in to all the observations on the Pana - they are best stated by haggis2 on his Haggis2 @ Sep 30 2007, 02:08 PM post. I am a tad concerned about the antiglare screen on the Z700. I think Haggis owes me $10 because there is a difference (in my opinion) and that is a slightly ever so slightl decrease in sharpness..BUT! still way sharper than any other set. Resolution Ten 10/10. But I could still see reflections with the antiglare screen..The Ultimate PERFECT in my mind would be the Panasonic Z700 WITHOUT the antiglare screen. I'd open my wallet without hesitation. Take care, I've not considered the other important elements and specs on the Pana such as how many HDMI inputs and the Tuner and other peculiar operating conditions. This is better looked at on paper and compared with other spec sheets. I did however exit with a good look at Spiderman in flight from a BlueRay DVD and it is stunning. The poor old Hitachi was like an old comfy Riley or Rolls. The Panasonic took off like a Masserati. Bright as a button..energetic and contemporary..AND! You CAN get proper flesh tones..The pictures are not gaudy..You are in control. For me! VALE the Hitachi (except for my current lovable 1024 x 1024 42" set, which is brilliant) Add to this criticism all that Haggis2 said on HIS Bernie Shootout and you've got my complete opinion. Thanks DTV Forum for opening my eyes to a new approach. Denzil1 Reborn!

Good to hear you finally shot out the Panasonic and Hitachi.

(Funny... the bloke I spoke to at Bernies told me that all the remotes were at the warehouse. Hhmmm...)

As I guess you saw, the Pana definitely has the edge - no doubt about it. If you were able to compare the TVs blacks with the lights switched off, you would have found even MORE difference.

What didn't you like about the Pana's anti-glare screen? It certainly doesn't affect the sharpness or contrast. All it really does is slightly cut down the reflections and DIFFUSE them. In other words - you'd have a hard time seeing your own reflection in the screen, but a bright highlight (like another TV or a lamp) will show up as a blurry bright haze, rather than a distracting razor-sharp reflection. On the other hand, having a glass face with SOME reflectivity is still kind of nice, as it gives the screen a sort of "sheen" (like good ol' CRTs).

What about the supposed 10,000:1 vs 5000:1 contrast ratings? Did you spot any real difference? If not, I'm keeping my $10 !

Sounds like you're waiting to see the Samsung P9 (PS50P91FDX) to be sure? I would...

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Good to hear you finally shot out the Panasonic and Hitachi.

(Funny... the bloke I spoke to at Bernies told me that all the remotes were at the warehouse. Hhmmm...)

As I guess you saw, the Pana definitely has the edge - no doubt about it. If you were able to compare the TVs blacks with the lights switched off, you would have found even MORE difference.

What didn't you like about the Pana's anti-glare screen? It certainly doesn't affect the sharpness or contrast. All it really does is slightly cut down the reflections and DIFFUSE them. In other words - you'd have a hard time seeing your own reflection in the screen, but a bright highlight (like another TV or a lamp) will show up as a blurry bright haze, rather than a distracting razor-sharp reflection. On the other hand, having a glass face with SOME reflectivity is still kind of nice, as it gives the screen a sort of "sheen" (like good ol' CRTs).

What about the supposed 10,000:1 vs 5000:1 contrast ratings? Did you spot any real difference? If not, I'm keeping my $10 !

Sounds like you're waiting to see the Samsung P9 (PS50P91FDX) to be sure? I would...

Well perceived. I will wait to check out the Samsung. Blacks no argument and no discernible compression of the bottom end. Contrast range....no apparent difference..But I do detect a slight, as you say, 'diffusion' with the antiglare screen and perhaps that is what I'm labeling as 'softness'. No big deal at this stage. I've never had a reflection problem. Maybe because I've rigged the lighting in our lounge area to make for comfy viewing of movies..Not BlackOut but dimmed and non direct. I must say that I thought the Hitachi was getting a lousy presentation at Bernies..FTA feed like all the rest and it didn't have an opportunity to shine. Clive's at Belrose have one up and running and it does look quite good. But I'm over my obsession. here come de Samsung and then we'll get serious.

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Bring on the Samsung REVIEW..........I've checked it out..........and the judder killed it......but i'm not sure how it was setup.........I asked but couldnt understand the salesman.

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The Hitachis is selling for 3999 sticker price at JB HiFi.

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ok....then whats the standard you base your reviews upon? the hitachi unit with your old CRT TV? or the hitachi unit upon it self after tuning? :blink:

Post you refer to was not a review as such, more an attempt to assist a fellow forum member; my tongue in cheek comment was intended to highlight this.

The standard, as you should be able to work out from my member number and date of joining, is wide and varied (although only as a hobbyist - not in the game like many on this forum).

At time of purchase this was the only full hd plasma on the market. Being keen on a full hd set I'd viewed many lcd panels and had in fact started leaning towards a 1366 X 768 plasma as I consider it better meets my needs (and budget)....but wanted fullhd (partly future proofing) mostly because it looks sensational :wub:

Saw hitachi panel...against lcd panels in store. Very impressive...and in store environment is best suited to lcd for obvious reasons. This panel was a stand out. Subsequently (post hitachi purchase) sighted the pana and was not impressed with it at all; just another panel.

Work out what meets your needs and go and find that panel. Viewing every possible option is simply not necessary.

Of course it's all about opinions too...many on this topic raving about the pana vis a vis the hitachi; some others are disagreeing. Know what you want (and need) and go and find it. Should be simple but it isn't always :rolleyes:

Shapes, don't get to serious about who says what about which...take it all in (with a grain of salt) get out and see the panels that appear to meet your needs and let your eyes (and maybe others in your household if they have to live with this too) make your decision. Good luck.

cheers blairy

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The Hitachis is selling for 3999 sticker price at JB HiFi.

And be warned. For $4599 on the Hitachi AND the Panasonic on eBay..Don't anyone fall for this.

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Well this morning I went to JB Hi-Fi at Warringah Mall.

They had the new Samsung Full HD P9 plasma demoing on their "Blu-ray wall", along with the Hitachi P50X01 and the Panasonic TH-PZ700A. (The Samsung M8 LCD and Sony Bravia W-series were also there).

As always, I had to tweak them to get them looking decent.

I've posted my opinions about the Hitachi and Panasonic elsewhere here (in short, the Hitachi is good, but the Pana is better).

But the new Samsung? All I can say is...

WHAT THE HELL?

Where was this supposed 15000:1 contrast, ultra-deep blacks, incredible contrast and advanced "Ultra FilterBright" surface? Nowhere!!

There was a LOT of ambient light in the shop, and I had to cup my hands over each of the screens to get a better idea of their true black levels, but it was clear that:

1. The Samsung's blacks were no deeper than the Pana - maybe even a tad greyer.

2. It was very slightly softer.

3. The screen was massively reflective.

4. The Samsung had no offensive judder problem, as reported by someone here. Motion was the same as the Pana.

It looks like the Panasonic is the outright winner in the picture quality stakes - no question about it.

The only other contender - the last of the lot - is the Pioneer Kuro 1365x768 model for around the same money, or the 1920x1080 model (supposed 20,000:1 contrast) for around $2K more.

My guess is that even the 1365 Kuro will beat all three. Guess we'll see....

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Bing Lee "Rouse Hill" have the 50" Hitachi for $3500. They don't have room for it on the shop floor so its out the back.......what does that say?

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Bing Lee "Rouse Hill" have the 50" Hitachi for $3500. They don't have room for it on the shop floor so its out the back.......what does that say?

I wouldn't read too much into it. I went to a local Myers on Thursday night wanting to see one of the new Kuro's and he said that he had them downstairs and wouldn't bring them up until he'd sold some of the older models on display. :wacko:

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HN Martin Place have the hitachi on display - next to the 65" pana full hd set. This morning were showing behind enemy lines BD and this arvo Casino Royale from pana BD player. HDMI into pana...component into hitachi.

Pana blacks were not unimpressive, however colours appeared washed out. Screen also seemed hazy...

Blacks on hitachi were comparable to pana, colours were much better. Had a quick look at settings on hitachi and they appeared sane - didn't check pana.

All in all, I can't see that you'd be unhappy with either panel.

blairy

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HN Martin Place have the hitachi on display - next to the 65" pana full hd set. This morning were showing behind enemy lines BD and this arvo Casino Royale from pana BD player. HDMI into pana...component into hitachi.

Pana blacks were not unimpressive, however colours appeared washed out. Screen also seemed hazy...

Blacks on hitachi were comparable to pana, colours were much better. Had a quick look at settings on hitachi and they appeared sane - didn't check pana.

All in all, I can't see that you'd be unhappy with either panel.

blairy

The blacks will always be hard to tell apart..... unless you're viewing in a very dark room.

Some new LCDs (from Sony and Samsung at least) seem to have blacker blacks than many plasmas. In fact, the new Sony X-series have blacks that are actually deeper than the Hitachi 1080p plasma.

I can say this with complete confidence, as I've callibrated both and have tested them in a pitch-black room.

The question is this - DO YOU CARE?

It's case-by-case thing. Some people hate watching TV in a very dark, or totally dark room. In their case, any of the new full-HD plasmas (or even some LCDs) will serve them well.

Although I should add that a TV with intensely deep blacks and very high contrast (like the new Pioneer Kuro supposedly has) will still be NOTICABLY better.

It just won't be a night-and-day difference like it would be if you were watching in the dark.

For me?

The depth of the blacks are a VERY big deal. Black should be B-L-A-C-K.

;)

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Pana blacks were not unimpressive, however colours appeared washed out. Screen also seemed hazy...

Blacks on hitachi were comparable to pana, colours were much better. Had a quick look at settings on hitachi and they appeared sane - didn't check pana.

lol hdmi feed pana 65" has washed out colors? but component 50" hitachi better it? this is the first time i heard about it. and it takes the cake...not surprised coming from you. 65" panasonic is one of the best screens i saw that bettered the 50" pioneer(not alone on this one). it seems you and 2 others are the only ones on this board that still think hitachi are top dogs in the HDTV market.

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Ive never seen a better picture than what i saw on the Panasonic 65in plasma. Not sure how anything can get better than that.

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Some new LCDs (from Sony and Samsung at least) seem to have blacker blacks than many plasmas. In fact, the new Sony X-series have blacks that are actually deeper than the Hitachi 1080p plasma.

Are you serious with this comment?

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Are you serious with this comment?

Absolutely. I've tested both.

If you don't believe me, my advice is to do the same... test both TVs in the dark (callibrated, of course).

Seriously. All the talk of contrast and black levels on these forums... and nobody's checking these TVs in the dark?... or even in subdued light?

Why not? If you don't intend to watch your new $5,000-to-$10,000 future-proof TV in subdued light at home - at least sometimes - then I can understand.

But if you DO, why would you NOT want to see how deep the blacks are, before you drop that $5,000 to $10,000 of your hard-earned cash on the TV you'll be watching for the next few years?

:rolleyes:

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Absolutely. I've tested both.

If you don't believe me, my advice is to do the same... test both TVs in the dark (callibrated, of course).

Seriously. All the talk of contrast and black levels on these forums... and nobody's checking these TVs in the dark?... or even in subdued light?

Why not? If you don't intend to watch your new $5,000-to-$10,000 future-proof TV in subdued light at home - at least sometimes - then I can understand.

But if you DO, why would you NOT want to see how deep the blacks are, before you drop that $5,000 to $10,000 of your hard-earned cash on the TV you'll be watching for the next few years?

:rolleyes:

not many people get the chance to watch tv at home in pitch black either thats probably why they dont , also i disagree the sony sometimes looks super black and you get a grey beem through the panel when certain sources pass through it ,ive tested in the dark , ive also tested the w and the x series lcd together ands the electronics testing inside the x series didnt handle noise test as well as the w the w was perfect and the x series failed which suprised me .

also what setting did you have the sony on because there standard setting on the x is set to colour is still at 55 ,contrast is set higher then normal screens for standard setting , ive found alot of lcd screens now are coming out with higher then normal standard setting , standard should be set in the middle for colour ,brightness,sharpness etc, but they are not ,i feel the blacks are better on the x series then the w series ... the w series blacks wash out a bit more so ,

the reason also the guy testing the 65inch plasma with hdmi and the 50 running component is because component is actually brighter image being produced ,out of the panasonic player as it isnt 1.3 deep colour, so component will actually give you a brighter image ..

hitachi will release a new 50 inch panel full hd in about 5 months not a alis panel which will be there first proper full hd panel,1920*1080p panel not a interlaced panel with the same chip to process it as the p50h version ,it has the same chip inside to process to 1080p,they can get away with calling it full hd because it is 1920 *1080i panel , they are not telling porkies as it doesnt state to be full hd has to be 1920*1080p panel...

im not sure if hitachi will like all of you to know this information but ive got the shits as i feel it is miss leading people , they deliberalty miss lead people , the new panel coming out in 5 months is there real full 1080p panel , which is the one which was meant to be used now...

my opinion id hold of buying any full hd plasma for a while as they are not up to scratch yet in any brand for full hd maybe 6 to 12 months time for a plasma or go and buy the new pioneer full hd when it comes out , probably the ownly one id buy...

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