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Makes sense. But you're preaching to a long time Hitachi fan. . . .so there's an inbuilt resistance. Overcoming it though! Like moving from film to digital. Well not quite as drastic..That's more like moving from Plasma to LCD. You mentioned "Although the Hitachi supports 24p and the Pana doesn't" How important do you figure this Frame rate matter?

I understand your fondness for Hitachi. What I've often liked about them is their innovation (1080-line panels, swivel-stands, etc).

What I've always DISLIKED is the variance in their quality. You'll get some panles that perform excellently (like your 1024x1024 unit), then they'll go and release a turkey like the previous generation 1280x1080 model, with its average blacks, crappy processing, horrific scaling and cheap-looking chassis.

Whereas Panasonic hasn't put out a dud for years. I've always looked at Panasonic as "Pioneer for the rest of us". They've been top-of-the-heap performers for many generations now, and you can never go wrong recommending them.

As for the frame-rate issue - like I say, it's not a problem. The Hitachi was taking a 24p signal from the Sony S-300 player and supposedly displaying it at 48Hz, whereas the Pana was only taking a 60p signal and refreshing at 60Hz. I couldn't spot any motion differences between the two (at least until I switched off the Hitachi's Frame-Rate Conversion, which was doing all sorts of weird stuff).

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When you go to Bernies or Clive's, be sure to get 1:1 pixel-mapping with HD by setting aspect ratio to "Full 1080" on the Hitachi, and "JUST" on the Panasonic

Turn Dynamic contrast off, as well as all other processing modes (noise reduction, black stretch, etc).

Have fun, and let us know how you go...

Crikey Haggis, I've got this set and you appear to have done more playing around with it in store than I have at home :wacko:

The aspect ratio you refer to is barely mentioned in the manual. This is the zoom button on the remote (second from right on bottom row). This does different things depending on which input you're using. For HDMI and digital tv it gives you FULL, FULL 1080 and ZOOM 4:3. When viewing component inputs (eg foxtel) it gives you a range of justification adjustments, (CINEMA etc). Only played with this once and set it and forget it. Of course I have previously mentioned that settings are independently adjustable for each input. Makes me wonder should I run through AVR or direct to TV :rolleyes:

Denzil, looking forward to your views. Of course I really should get out and find these side by side. No chance in next week or so...oh well.

cheers

blairy

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Denzil, looking forward to your views. Of course I really should get out and find these side by side. No chance in next week or so...oh well.

no offense but why would you want to look forward to a fanboys review? his been a vocal supporter for the hitachi on this forum even though he hasn't seen or compare the unit with others. from your posts you bought the unit with out comparing against other cream of the crop units such as pioneer or pana side by side, yet you are voicing your opinion upon how good hitachi looked by it self. :blink:

i'm staying neutral with my views because i haven't seen this set but i would rather believe the more informative experienced members who have compared the 2 sets side by side like Owen and Haggis2 have said about this TV set.

now, this set is as expensive as the 507pioneer and the 700a pana i would rather stick with those two brands then take a gamble with hitachi which the previous model sucked hard.

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no offense but why would you want to look forward to a fanboys review? his been a vocal supporter for the hitachi on this forum even though he hasn't seen or compare the unit with others. from your posts you bought the unit with out comparing against other cream of the crop units such as pioneer or pana side by side, yet you are voicing your opinion upon how good hitachi looked by it self. :blink:

i'm staying neutral with my views because i haven't seen this set but i would rather believe the more informative experienced members who have compared the 2 sets side by side like Owen and Haggis2 have said about this TV set.

now, this set is as expensive as the 507pioneer and the 700a pana i would rather stick with those two brands then take a gamble with hitachi which the previous model sucked hard.

With all due respect, Denzil was aiming to compare the Hitachi and Panasonic side by side.

The Pioneer 507 is a fantastic panel (as are all Pioneers), but I'd happily take the Pansonic TH-50PZ700A over it for around the same money. The blacks may be very slightly deeper on the 507 (not sure without a direct shootout), but the extra resolution, less visible pixel grid, zero underscan on 1080 signals and no need for rescaling them make the Pana the best choice. The Pioneer may refresh at 72Hz (not sure), but the Panasonic performs so well at 60Hz that it's a non-issue.

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Crikey Haggis, I've got this set and you appear to have done more playing around with it in store than I have at home :wacko:

The aspect ratio you refer to is barely mentioned in the manual. This is the zoom button on the remote (second from right on bottom row). This does different things depending on which input you're using. For HDMI and digital tv it gives you FULL, FULL 1080 and ZOOM 4:3. When viewing component inputs (eg foxtel) it gives you a range of justification adjustments, (CINEMA etc). Only played with this once and set it and forget it. Of course I have previously mentioned that settings are independently adjustable for each input. Makes me wonder should I run through AVR or direct to TV :rolleyes:

Denzil, looking forward to your views. Of course I really should get out and find these side by side. No chance in next week or so...oh well.

cheers

blairy

Best option is to run everything through an AVR like the Onkyo TX-SR705 (or preferably higher). The receiver will convert and send everything out through a single HDMI cable to the TV. You can then set the TV to "FULL 1080", see the entire picture, and forget about it forever.

For Free-to-Air TV, if you're using the TV as a tuner, simply use an optical cable to send audio to the AVR to run regular TV through the sound system. Of course, you should set the TV Tuner's aspect ratio to "FULL 1080" too, when switched to channels 70, 90 or 12.

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Hi Guys

Went and bought the HITACHI P50X01AU yesterday at Harvey Normans for $3,999

My impression

DON'T

DON'T

DON'T

DON'T

DON'T

Played for hours and can not get a clear picture.

The slightest movement and it is just a fuzz.

A perfectly still picture is OK, but even the edges are fuzzy.

Try to watch any foot ball and the movement makes it impossible to even pick the player

Bought it on an impulse, will never do that again.

Have the old LG standard def plasma, and it is MUCH better.

Have set up analogue TV, Digital TV, Fox, DVD and xbox 360 set up, all have this issue on the hitachi.

Harveys are no help!

In another hour the old plasma goes up in its place

Will try for refund, anything, or look for cheap "new" hitachi on ebay soon.

Unfortunately the only word I can say for its picture is "crap". If it was heavy enough I would say I just bought a four grand anchor for the boat.

Most disappointing purchase I have made to date

Warwick

Sorry for the question but are you sure is the right model $3900 sounds too cheap. When I saw this model in HN Balgowla it looked pretty good to me

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Hi Guys

Went and bought the HITACHI P50X01AU yesterday at Harvey Normans for $3,999

My impression

DON'T

DON'T

DON'T

DON'T

DON'T

Played for hours and can not get a clear picture.

The slightest movement and it is just a fuzz.

A perfectly still picture is OK, but even the edges are fuzzy.

Try to watch any foot ball and the movement makes it impossible to even pick the player

Bought it on an impulse, will never do that again.

Have the old LG standard def plasma, and it is MUCH better.

Have set up analogue TV, Digital TV, Fox, DVD and xbox 360 set up, all have this issue on the hitachi.

Harveys are no help!

In another hour the old plasma goes up in its place

Will try for refund, anything, or look for cheap "new" hitachi on ebay soon.

Unfortunately the only word I can say for its picture is "crap". If it was heavy enough I would say I just bought a four grand anchor for the boat.

Most disappointing purchase I have made to date

Warwick

Not trying to sound skeptical, but newly joined to the forum, quoting a VGood price and bagging the TV.

Sounds like a troll and a bullshit post. " Try to watch any foot ball and the movement makes it impossible to even pick the player " BULLSHIT.

If one is not going to post honestly and openly, don't bother.

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Thanks MarekC. Handy to know that.

Only 60 and 100Hz. No 50Hz?

What differences do you see if you switch between 60 and 100 with fast moving video off air? The Rugby World Cup HD broadcasts would be a good test...

sorry I've made a mistake it's 50Hz and 100Hz not 60Hz, I've checked 50Hz on FTA and flicker is visible but 100Hz is excellent, Panasonic recommends 100Hz (depending on the input signal)

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Not trying to sound skeptical, but newly joined to the forum, quoting a VGood price and bagging the TV.

Sounds like a troll and a bullshit post. " Try to watch any foot ball and the movement makes it impossible to even pick the player " BULLSHIT.

If one is not going to post honestly and openly, don't bother.

This could very well be his "honest opinion." I know the panel isn't as bad as he portrals it, but unlike many forum users here, I install up to 25 plasma & LCD's a week, all brands and can say I cringe when it comes time to install the Hitachi. Not that I hate it, but out of the brand names it is the one I "least " prefer. Reasons in my post a few pages back. Ironically, the brands one of my customer's sell is Samsung, Panasonic, LG & Hitachi. On average, 1 in 16 panels I sell I install is Hitachi. When asking the customer why they chose the Hitachi, most say asthetics or recommended by salesperson. Not one yet has said they bought it on picture quality. Go figure. I did have high expectations for this panel, but to me it is well below where it should have been.

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Thanks MarekC. Handy to know that.

Only 60 and 100Hz. No 50Hz?

What differences do you see if you switch between 60 and 100 with fast moving video off air? The Rugby World Cup HD broadcasts would be a good test...

Wow! the debate is hotting up and the Hitachi is certainly slipping back in the field. I've not yet been to Bernies to check the Hitachi alongside the Panasonic but will get there this week if our shoot doesn't get rained out. I'll certainly report to the forum...and thanks for the defense. Meantime back in the old Leowe CRT days 100hz refresh was mandatory..What is the expected norm for today's Plasmas, the good ones? Surely the screen refresh rate should remain at 100hz. Why would we need to compromise with any less..is it to do with syncing to odd film or non oz standard frame speeds?

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This could very well be his "honest opinion." I know the panel isn't as bad as he portrals it, but unlike many forum users here, I install up to 25 plasma & LCD's a week, all brands and can say I cringe when it comes time to install the Hitachi. Not that I hate it, but out of the brand names it is the one I "least " prefer. Reasons in my post a few pages back. Ironically, the brands one of my customer's sell is Samsung, Panasonic, LG & Hitachi. On average, 1 in 16 panels I sell I install is Hitachi. When asking the customer why they chose the Hitachi, most say asthetics or recommended by salesperson. Not one yet has said they bought it on picture quality. Go figure. I did have high expectations for this panel, but to me it is well below where it should have been.

I don't think it is his honest opinion.

I agree that Hitachi's last range of plasma's were dissappointing.

I bought a demo 8900 after I saw the then new, plasma's with crappy digital tuner and a cheap image processing. The 8900 is a brilliant screen with LOTS of options to adjust almost every parameter of the PQ and the picture processing is great. Personally I thought it was the best of the then 2006 plasma's.

I have only seen the full HD on a loop at HN, so very hard to tell. Are the new 50 inch 1280 by 1080 any better than the previous model??

cheers

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Wow! the debate is hotting up and the Hitachi is certainly slipping back in the field. I've not yet been to Bernies to check the Hitachi alongside the Panasonic but will get there this week if our shoot doesn't get rained out. I'll certainly report to the forum...and thanks for the defense. Meantime back in the old Leowe CRT days 100hz refresh was mandatory..What is the expected norm for today's Plasmas, the good ones? Surely the screen refresh rate should remain at 100hz. Why would we need to compromise with any less..is it to do with syncing to odd film or non oz standard frame speeds?

100Hz was originally a feature designed to cut down 50Hz field-flicker by doubling the refresh rate - that's all. A good and market-pleasing idea... but 50Hz TVs still gave (and still gives) a purer picture, providing they were performing accurately to start with.

To this day, professional broadcast monitors still refresh at 50Hz (50i), and of course look better than any consumer TV, with no need for "gimmicks" like 100Hz.

Plasmas? As always, it's suck-it-and-see. But in principal?

If it's a progressive panel like a Panasonic, and it's displaying a 50i TV signal off air (HD or SD), and constructing progressive frames from interlaced 50i fields, then refreshing at 50p - I just can't see why 100p would give you a better picture. After all, the source video is 50 fields-per-second to start with, and as long as the TV is allowing all the original picture resolution to get through - that's all you should need (and that's all I'd want to see - not extra frames created by the TV with mixed results).

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I don't think it is his honest opinion.

I agree that Hitachi's last range of plasma's were dissappointing.

I bought a demo 8900 after I saw the then new, plasma's with crappy digital tuner and a cheap image processing. The 8900 is a brilliant screen with LOTS of options to adjust almost every parameter of the PQ and the picture processing is great. Personally I thought it was the best of the then 2006 plasma's.

I have only seen the full HD on a loop at HN, so very hard to tell. Are the new 50 inch 1280 by 1080 any better than the previous model??

cheers

Can't say for sure, but from what I've seen of them thus far... and having tested the P50X01... I very much doubt it.

Nicer chassis, though!

;)

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Nice to get bagged when putting up a post

Thanks guys.

For reference, yes that is the TV and model that I bought

Yes HN just took a thousand off the price that morning, down to $3,999 (all stores I believe)

Yes my old LG has a better picture when I plug the same cable from Hitachi into LG etc

HN could not put the Hitachii on the same channel as the others to compare.

Almost bought the pana but the Hitachi on its blue ray movie looked great in the shop.

HN have said do not know what is wrong.

Hitachi have contacted us.

They are waiting on info from their techos in Japan as they have had a few exact same "complaints" in the last few days.

And yes if it does not "improve" it goes.

Just to put the truth out.

No bullshit, no trolling, no other crap people insinuate, purely the truth of the TV I bought that does not live up to expectations

Cheers

Waz

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Hitachi have contacted us.

They are waiting on info from their techos in Japan as they have had a few exact same "complaints" in the last few days.

And yes if it does not "improve" it goes.

Just to put the truth out.

No bullshit, no trolling, no other crap people insinuate, purely the truth of the TV I bought that does not live up to expectations

Cheers

Waz

Waz, may I suggest that while you're waiting for word from Hitachi, you go and compare the P50X01 to the Panasonic (TH-50PZ700A).

Having compared them side-by-side myself, I can say this.... I'd GLADLY fork out another $600 (or whatever the Pana can be had for) for the improvement in blacks and contrast alone. But as I found, the Pana was better in pretty much every way (See my previous shoot-out post).

The only real advantage the Hitachi has is the motorised swivel stand.

Alternatively, you can see how the new Samsung performs (probably very well).

Remember that you'll be living with this set for the next few years. You don't want to have any regrets once the honeymoon period passes...

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Waz, may I suggest that while you're waiting for word from Hitachi, you go and compare the P50X01 to the Panasonic (TH-50PZ700A).

Having compared them side-by-side myself, I can say this.... I'd GLADLY fork out another $600 (or whatever the Pana can be had for) for the improvement in blacks and contrast alone. But as I found, the Pana was better in pretty much every way (See my previous shoot-out post).

The only real advantage the Hitachi has is the motorised swivel stand.

Alternatively, you can see how the new Samsung performs (probably very well).

Remember that you'll be living with this set for the next few years. You don't want to have any regrets once the honeymoon period passes...

i dont agree with what you are saying about the blacks they are not so black they run a firm gray look, when you look at the screen it looks like you are looking at a old rear projection with the filtered screen i couldnt live with that , the colours are not exact they lack depth ,like you are looking at off colours when looking at them , the picture setting on tv looks very poor with brightness the skins tones are very poor, it reminds me of a plasma quit a few years ago , like the first gen lg pictures that lacked contrast ,it looks like it has a cloudy effect on it, when you run the demo panasonic run on it it looks good but when you run free to air blu-ray movies it lacks depth i dont like it , when running blu-ray like casino royal on it it does have the judder effect on it on both pioneer and panasonic player... the hitachi has a few problems as well depending on what you are looking for , i dont think the anti glar screen is real good , the only reason they did it was because of the problem panasonic had with brightness, tring to get there panel as bright as there px70 series....i tested the panasonic with the HQV disc and calabrated it and it failed a few times when i tested it , the grey scales on the hitachi was alot better on the test... so you make up your own mind ,... what i have found out is if you test the hitachi with a digital box connected to it running av input it doesnt look as good as running the tuner inside and the pana then looked a little sharper when runnnig through av input for free to air tv , but when running both with its own tuner the panasonic in my eyes isnt as good , they both pulsate , its something people will have to learn to live with ....

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Well, this morning I went to Bernies Retravision at Mosman, where they have both the Hitachi, the Panasonic 50 and 58 inchers. They also stock Samsung, and I believe they'll be getting the new full-HD 50" when it arrives.

We did a decent shootout between the new Panasonic TH-50PZ700A and the Hitachi P50X01.

There were no remote controls available. Unfortunately, I could only callibrate the Hitachi, as the Pana needs a remote to get into the menu. Luckily the Pana is pretty well callibrated out of the box - further tweaking would've only improved it.

We tried a few Blu-rays, as well as regular DVDs, using the Sony S-300 player.

Here's what I found...

While I was previously impressed with the Hitachi, the Panasonic beat it for picture quality in every way.

1. Blacks were significantly deeper on the Panasonic - very close to the $10,000 Pioneer, in fact.

2. The Panasonic was brighter.

3. Due to the above two attributes, it had noticably better contrast.

4. The Pana was visibly sharper and more detailed - partly due to the extra contrast, and partly due to the superior processing.

5. Colour saturation and "vivdness" was better on the Panasonic, without being unnatural.

6. Compared to the Pana, the ALiS panel on the Hitachi was really showing its' flaws - you could see the alternate lines meshing together if you looked carefully. And due to the additional noise on top of that, there was a feeling of being able to make out the pixel grid.

7. Picture processing on the Pana was up to their usual standard (very good), while the Hitachi had more dot crawl, colour banding and a sort of an "8-bit colour" look, by comparison.

8. The Pana had a slicker looking chassis (for my tastes, at least).

9. Construction quality on the Pana was better, with things like the front drop-down door feeling more solid.

10. Although the Hitachi supports 24p and the Pana doesn't, motion judder and artifacts were much of a muchness.

11. The motion-smoothing Frame-rate enhancement on the Hitachi is a joke. It makes film look like video, frequently stumbles and is better switched off.

Non-reflective glass on the Pana doesn't cut down reflections as well as was hoped, but diffuses them instead. So you get patches of smearing light bouncing back, rather than sharp reflections. It still works well though - it doesn't hurt the picture in any way and is a welcome addition.

Having seen some of the same material on the $10,000 Pioneer, I can say that the Panasonic is SO close to it for half the price, that it's a no-brainer.

Again, with more tweaking, the Panasonic would have looked better still. But even as is, it was clearly the superior panel.

Bernies were doing the Pana for $4999, but the sales guy said they could do better.

Hi Haggis2 again. I've not yet been to Bernies but will hasten. I notice however that the current panaZ700 has a contast ratio or 5000:1 where the older X70 has 1000:1. Significantly less contrast potential . Surely this can be seen between the two. ?

therfoe bright?

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Hi Haggis2 again. I've not yet been to Bernies but will hasten. I notice however that the current panaZ700 has a contast ratio or 5000:1 where the older X70 has 1000:1. Significantly less contrast potential . Surely this can be seen between the two. ?

therfoe bright?

Although this doesn't really have anything to do with the Hitachi, the Panasonic PX70 has a stated CR of 10,000:1 not 1000:1, so it's actually better than the PZ model.

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Hi all,

As you can see I am a newcomer to these parts.

I recently purchased this panel as my first step into the HD world and have read the very mixed reviews with much interest.

With 3 weeks of viewing now under the belt I will pass on my rather novice pq observations - I will also state from the outset I am satisfied with my purchase but not overwhelmed.

Analogue and SD FTA - acceptable - some signs of pixelated edges and there almost appears to be a "fog" over the screen. However with numerous attempts at adjusting everything that can be changed - i have found a setup that i'm happy with. Colours appear crisp and contrast is ok. I guess i have to remember this is an HD panel and thus performs best with HD sources.

HD FTA - excellent - have tried to watch as many HD broadcasts as possible and am very happy. Both AFL and NRL grand finals were free of any fuzz or blurr that i had half expected. Those that watched the games at our house on the day were also impressed, believe me i tried to get as much feedback as possible.

DVD - acceptable - again some signs of pixelation but color and contrast are both ok. Of particular note is the massive improvement that was gained by changing from component to an HDMI connection (only problem being my current avr doesn't support hdmi - so i loose surround sound). Even with SD DVD's this gives a pq to my eye that is close to that seen on FTA HD broadcasts. I can't wait for the HD future to become a little clearer so i can decide which way to go - BR or HD DVD.

I will try and document the setup steps i have tried and what worked and what didn't for those who are interested.

I have a question that someone maybe able to help me with - there is much comment above this panels poor black levels - what does this mean practically?

With the benefit of what i now know i too would have waited until the PZ700A was released and compared side by side. I did compare the Hitachi to the PX700A at the time of purchase and couldn't pick a clear winner.

Anyway i look forward to further discussions on this and may other topics.

Cheers

CA

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i dont agree with what you are saying about the blacks they are not so black they run a firm gray look, when you look at the screen it looks like you are looking at a old rear projection with the filtered screen i couldnt live with that , the colours are not exact they lack depth ,like you are looking at off colours when looking at them , the picture setting on tv looks very poor with brightness the skins tones are very poor, it reminds me of a plasma quit a few years ago , like the first gen lg pictures that lacked contrast ,it looks like it has a cloudy effect on it, when you run the demo panasonic run on it it looks good but when you run free to air blu-ray movies it lacks depth i dont like it , when running blu-ray like casino royal on it it does have the judder effect on it on both pioneer and panasonic player... the hitachi has a few problems as well depending on what you are looking for , i dont think the anti glar screen is real good , the only reason they did it was because of the problem panasonic had with brightness, tring to get there panel as bright as there px70 series....i tested the panasonic with the HQV disc and calabrated it and it failed a few times when i tested it , the grey scales on the hitachi was alot better on the test... so you make up your own mind ,... what i have found out is if you test the hitachi with a digital box connected to it running av input it doesnt look as good as running the tuner inside and the pana then looked a little sharper when runnnig through av input for free to air tv , but when running both with its own tuner the panasonic in my eyes isnt as good , they both pulsate , its something people will have to learn to live with ....

No offence, hddvduser, but after a few glassessss of red..... it was BLOODY hard work reading your post!!!

I know this is a forum, but try using full-stops and capital leters to indicate sentence breaks. It makes it MUCH easier for the rest of us!!

I hear what your're saying.

But, where the hell did you compare the Hitachi and Panasonic?

If this is what you found, it sounds like someone had seriously stuffed around with the Pana's settings. To be sure, the Pana's blacks aren't B-L-A-C-K. But they're noticably blacker than the Hitachi's. More to the point, they're about as black as a current-generation Pioneer. Maybe the new Samsung will beat it. Maybe it'll be as black as the new Kuro range for around half the price.... Guess we'll see.

But in the meantime, the Panasonic currently has the deepest blacks and the best picture for reasonable money. From what I saw, it's basically a TX-50PX70A... but with more resolution, a spunkier chassis, and a decent anti-glare screen.

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Hi Haggis2 again. I've not yet been to Bernies but will hasten. I notice however that the current panaZ700 has a contast ratio or 5000:1 where the older X70 has 1000:1. Significantly less contrast potential . Surely this can be seen between the two. ?

therfoe bright?

Not 1000:1, but 10,000:1

But see if you can compare the two side-by-side and let us know.

$10 says that there's a very marginal visible difference - if any.

With all TVs (and projectors) - contrast ratio figures are quoted, rated, bandied around and exaggerated to the point of comedy.

At Bernies, they also have the new Panasonic 58-inch, which is rated at "10,000:1".

Compare it to the 50 with the same material and same settings, and see what you think. (For the record, the $13,000 65-inch is rated at "only" 5000:1).

As always... only trust what you SEE. But try to be informed, try to callibrate the TVs... and maybe even try to get the shop to switch the lights out for a minute or two, so you can REALLY check out the blacks and contrast!

;)

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I have a question that someone maybe able to help me with - there is much comment above this panels poor black levels - what does this mean practically?

With the benefit of what i now know i too would have waited until the PZ700A was released and compared side by side. I did compare the Hitachi to the PX700A at the time of purchase and couldn't pick a clear winner.

If you honestly couldn't pick a clear winner, and you're intending to keep the Hitachi, no matter what..... then I'd suggest you avoid this forum completely, settle down with some HD-DVD, Blu-ray or HDTV... and enjoy your new TV !!!

:D

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Not 1000:1, but 10,000:1

But see if you can compare the two side-by-side and let us know.

$10 says that there's a very marginal visible difference - if any.

With all TVs (and projectors) - contrast ratio figures are quoted, rated, bandied around and exaggerated to the point of comedy.

At Bernies, they also have the new Panasonic 58-inch, which is rated at "10,000:1".

Compare it to the 50 with the same material and same settings, and see what you think. (For the record, the $13,000 65-inch is rated at "only" 5000:1).

As always... only trust what you SEE. But try to be informed, try to callibrate the TVs... and maybe even try to get the shop to switch the lights out for a minute or two, so you can REALLY check out the blacks and contrast!

;)

Well maybe HDDVDUser enjoyed the red before he wrote. That would make more sense. He is an avid tester though with access to many many sets...So the intention is good and his opinions are of interest even if they need a bit of literary interpretation. Very classy of you to put shmando at ease. he has made a good purchase and if he likes the pq then he should know he has one of the best. Personal taste! Re my typo with 10,000 versus 5,000 pana contrast. It is a significant difference and one couldn't help think that the diminished margin of black to white might have been affected by the antiglare screen. Although contrast and brightness specs come from the actual screen tech measurement not the observer. I think I should take lunch to Bernies.

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