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Good grief - they're just hopeless aren't they?! You'd think they'd know what res their own products are. Definitely a full 1:1 1920 pixels across I can assure you. Sorry - have no idea ana vs digi on the DVI - didn't know there was such a thing as analogue DVI... or is that like VGA->DVI conversion? If so - it was digital, I just used the DVI out on the lappy to DVI in on the TV.

Yer DVI can get a bit confusing, if I remember right there are 3 types of DVI, DVI-D which is digital, DVI-A which is analogue and DVI-I (used on the 42PD7X) which can use both. I believe DVI-I uses what ever connection is at the other end, but in the case of 2 DVI-I (which happens alot as it is the most common by far) it will default to digital. But there are cables that are only DVI-D or DVI-A which will force DVI-I to use the cable's standard.

I'm just going to make sure they test with a DVI-D cable to make absolutally certain all works as I hope :blink:.

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Yer DVI can get a bit confusing, if I remember right there are 3 types of DVI, DVI-D which is digital, DVI-A which is analogue and DVI-I (used on the 42PD7X) which can use both. I believe DVI-I uses what ever connection is at the other end, but in the case of 2 DVI-I (which happens alot as it is the most common by far) it will default to digital. But there are cables that are only DVI-D or DVI-A which will force DVI-I to use the cable's standard.

I'm just going to make sure they test with a DVI-D cable to make absolutally certain all works as I hope :blink:.

Oh yeah... well. You've taught me something there. Bloody hell, there's a confusing array of connections/standards. No wonder the average consumer is perplexed.

My DVI out on my lappy only has a single flat blade to one side. According to this page it must be DVI-D. So there you go:

http://www.datapro.net/techinfo/dvi_info.html

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I saw the 42" model at JB recently with a Blu-ray movie showing. The listed price off memory was $4400. Anyone been able to pick up this model much cheaper than that price?

I've been quoted $4240 at Bing Lee in Sydney CBD. They've got the 42" on display showing SD broadcast crap (Dr Phil, etc). Can't tell a thing from it.

Would you care to elaborate on PQ with the Blu-ray movie?

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Just back from the JB in lonsdale street in melb and they had the 42PD7X on display :D, but it was $4696 :blink:. Will have to wait till I can get it down to $4000 and in Geelong (where I live/where the TV will go, I only work in Melb).

Loved the look of it (except it had a glossy frame which I find distracting), didn't do any testing tho as I'm gearing up for PS3 tonight :P, will go back next week to test and maybe try to haggle down to $4000.

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I was in JB in Geelong over the weekend and they had the 42PD7X :D.

I took in my lappy to try it out over DVI-D and DVI->HDMI.

DVI->HDMI looked pretty good and was able to do 1:1 no problem, however I did notice what seemed to be some kind of ghosting on the high contrast areas.

DVI-D was excellent, not probs setting it up and also had a perfect 1:1 with no overscan or black bars and no ghosting :P

I was able to get them down to about $4260 but that's still just a little too high for me :blink:. Contrast wasn't as great as I was expecting but I didn't look too hard at the settings so I probably missed a few things here and there to make it better. It also seemed like settings weren't per input which could be bad as I'd like different settings for TV as I would have for playing games but I'm using the same settings on my CRT at the moment so I can live with it.

I'll probably go in again next weekend to check the sound and what SD looks like and see how the tuner holds up as I forgot abou them.

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Just purchased the Sharp LC-42GD7X for $3320 after weekend of haggling.

Was quoted $3474 for the Piano Black model.

This is my first LCD purchase, hopefully I will be happy with my choice.

What do you think of this price?

I was in JB in Geelong over the weekend and they had the 42PD7X :D.

I took in my lappy to try it out over DVI-D and DVI->HDMI.

DVI->HDMI looked pretty good and was able to do 1:1 no problem, however I did notice what seemed to be some kind of ghosting on the high contrast areas.

DVI-D was excellent, not probs setting it up and also had a perfect 1:1 with no overscan or black bars and no ghosting :P

I was able to get them down to about $4260 but that's still just a little too high for me :blink:. Contrast wasn't as great as I was expecting but I didn't look too hard at the settings so I probably missed a few things here and there to make it better. It also seemed like settings weren't per input which could be bad as I'd like different settings for TV as I would have for playing games but I'm using the same settings on my CRT at the moment so I can live with it.

I'll probably go in again next weekend to check the sound and what SD looks like and see how the tuner holds up as I forgot abou them.

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Just purchased the Sharp LC-42GD7X for $3320 after weekend of haggling.

Was quoted $3474 for the Piano Black model.

This is my first LCD purchase, hopefully I will be happy with my choice.

What do you think of this price?

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$3320?

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OMG where did you get that quote of $3474 for the Piano Black model? Those are pretty awesome prices as far as I've seen :blink:

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Sounds liek I did OK with the price.

Cummings Retravision Ballina NSW

Salesperson was Brad Heard Ph 02 6686 2566

Mention my name Carolyn Phelps

He did mention after we had agreed on the price that Sharp is pushing them to acheive a Sales Target.

The unit is being delivered today.

Does anyone have any special tips on setup. I am a total newbie to this LCD experience.

:D

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$3320?

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OMG where did you get that quote of $3474 for the Piano Black model? Those are pretty awesome prices as far as I've seen :blink:

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Sounds liek I did OK with the price.

Cummings Retravision Ballina NSW

Salesperson was Brad Heard Ph 02 6686 2566

Mention my name Carolyn Phelps

He did mention after we had agreed on the price that Sharp is pushing them to acheive a Sales Target.

The unit is being delivered today.

Does anyone have any special tips on setup. I am a total newbie to this LCD experience.

Thanks, NSW is a bit far out for me but I'll have a look in at my local retravision :blink:

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FYI

There was a major price drop on the RRP on Sharps 1st April 2007. I am talking up to 18% on some models.

All retailers received the email from Sharp on 31st March 2007.

You should be able to do much better then last week.

Good luck.

Remember that if Ballina is the best price, I am sure that they could courier the unit to you.

Thanks, NSW is a bit far out for me but I'll have a look in at my local retravision :blink:
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FYI

There was a major price drop on the RRP on Sharps 1st April 2007. I am talking up to 18% on some models.

All retailers received the email from Sharp on 31st March 2007.

You should be able to do much better then last week.

Good luck.

Remember that if Ballina is the best price, I am sure that they could courier the unit to you.

That's the best news I've heard in ages :D, should be getting one on the weekend if that's the case :P.

Please let us know how yours goes, if you can tear yourself away from it :P. In particular I'm interested in how the SD tuner and SD over composite go as my antenna doesn't support HD/digital atm :blink: and I play alot of PS2 and Wii (tho I could use the PS3 for some PS2 games and get component for Wii if necessary.

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That's the best news I've heard in ages :D, should be getting one on the weekend if that's the case :P.

Please let us know how yours goes, if you can tear yourself away from it :P. In particular I'm interested in how the SD tuner and SD over composite go as my antenna doesn't support HD/digital atm :blink: and I play alot of PS2 and Wii (tho I could use the PS3 for some PS2 games and get component for Wii if necessary.

Well i got mind from Clive peeter last Sat 46PD7X delivered on yesterday. I got it for 4700 AUD

I am pretty happy with it, no expert but the figure are much better then the bravia X .

Also 3 year warrant show Sharp has confident to its product.

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Brad from retravision said the 46inch GD7X would be around $1000 dearer than the $3320 I paid for the 42inch.

Well i got mind from Clive peeter last Sat 46PD7X delivered on yesterday. I got it for 4700 AUD

I am pretty happy with it, no expert but the figure are much better then the bravia X .

Also 3 year warrant show Sharp has confident to its product.

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Brad from retravision said the 46inch GD7X would be around $1000 dearer than the $3320 I paid for the 42inch.

Ouch, that might be too tempting to resist since I was limiting myself to 42" only because of the $4000 credit limit on my card. Tho it's really just a limit I've placed on myself to stop from going over board as I have more than enough in my bank to cover any current TV.

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Just purchased the Sharp LC-42GD7X for $3320 after weekend of haggling.

Was quoted $3474 for the Piano Black model.

This is my first LCD purchase, hopefully I will be happy with my choice.

What do you think of this price?

Is this a 1080 model?

If so, brilliant work :blink:

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Full HD Panel 1920 x 1080

I have setup tonight.

Just running through my normal TV aerial.

HD TV channels are great. Not that I know anything technical but my eyes were pretty impressed with it.

Put on a DVD running thru HDMI, the PQ was reduced but still good. Sure as eggs better then the 68cm CRT it replaced.

Looking forward to learning about Digital TV a bit more.

Thanks for your forum. I have learnt lots by reading the forums.

It assisted me with sorting thru all the "crap" that the salepersons go on with. I think they really stand up and take notice when you can demonstrate some knowledge about TVs etc.

Is this a 1080 model?

If so, brilliant work :blink:

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so 46inch only 1000 more than the 42.... so des that mean then the 52 is only 1000 more than the 46..... really want 52.... but might settle for the 46inch... hmmm decisions decisions....

or the other option is the 50inch pana plasma with built in tuner..... hmmmm

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so 46inch only 1000 more than the 42.... so des that mean then the 52 is only 1000 more than the 46..... really want 52.... but might settle for the 46inch... hmmm decisions decisions....

or the other option is the 50inch pana plasma with built in tuner..... hmmmm

I think the 52 RRP is $9999.....but I doubt anyone would be selling at that price....also, it's a bad time to buy very large screen panels, because a lot of new ones are coming out this yr.

Btw, HN was selling the award winning Philips 42in LCD for $6000 8 months ago, but that panel is now $3000ish.

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Put on a DVD running thru HDMI, the PQ was reduced but still good. Sure as eggs better then the 68cm CRT it replaced.

No doubt....but if you get your hands on a upscaling DVD player, it will upscale them to 1080i....and they should look better.

I think some DVD recorders also upscale......there's a dedicated DVD forum here as well, so check that out when you're ready.

I'm sure you'll have fun with it :blink:

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Thanks. I set an upscaling DVD player up last night. PQ much better now.

As to my pricing, I opted for the 42 inch GD7X for $3320.

I noted yesterday on EBAY that you can pickup the Piano Black LC42PD7X for $3699 buy now $145 delivery

Also, 52PD7X for $6899 buy now $155 delivery.

I do not know how that compares to everyone else's best prices.

Personally, I wasn't prepared to pay extra for the Piano Black finish.

No doubt....but if you get your hands on a upscaling DVD player, it will upscale them to 1080i....and they should look better.

I think some DVD recorders also upscale......there's a dedicated DVD forum here as well, so check that out when you're ready.

I'm sure you'll have fun with it :blink:

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My LC46PD7X will arrive in the morning. Can't wait to set it up tomorrow night. Am I missing something though? Am I supposed to have a special antenna for HD reception?

I thought PDX had an inbuilt HD tuner....if so, all you need is your antenna.

Btw...FTA may not always look crash hot.

Getting the most out of your HDTV requires a degree of knowledge.

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Thanks. I set an upscaling DVD player up last night. PQ much better now.

As to my pricing, I opted for the 42 inch GD7X for $3320.

Sounds good.

Are you going to hook a PC up to it anytime soon?

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My LC46PD7X will arrive in the morning. Can't wait to set it up tomorrow night. Am I missing something though? Am I supposed to have a special antenna for HD reception?

Not really, most antennas these days can pick up digital, but if you have a much older antenna like mine you may need to get it replaced to pick up the digital channels properly. When we were having probs with reception (using analogue SD) we called a repair guy to fix it and he happend to mention something about it in case we wanted to upgrade to digital but it could have just been a ploy to get us to spend more money :blink:.

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So I've read through the thread again, but there's something I'm still having trouble with - what's the difference between the PD7X and the GD7X models? Is it just that the PD models have the piano black bezel? The specs for the 46 and 52 GD and PD models on the Sharp site are similar, but not identical, but these aren't really fundamental differences. So are these just cosmetic differences, or am I missing something?

Oh and the only reference I can find with google to the 42GD7X is in this thread, and in the brochure that was linked to on the first page of this thread (Sharp site only lists 42PD7X atm). Is this because the 42GD7X is only just becoming available - it looks like it's possible to get both 42PD and 42GD models in stores at the moment? For anyone able to clarify this - I thank you :blink:

Cheers,

jakes.

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So I've read through the thread again, but there's something I'm still having trouble with - what's the difference between the PD7X and the GD7X models? Is it just that the PD models have the piano black bezel? The specs for the 46 and 52 GD and PD models on the Sharp site are similar, but not identical, but these aren't really fundamental differences. So are these just cosmetic differences, or am I missing something?

Oh and the only reference I can find with google to the 42GD7X is in this thread, and in the brochure that was linked to on the first page of this thread (Sharp site only lists 42PD7X atm). Is this because the 42GD7X is only just becoming available - it looks like it's possible to get both 42PD and 42GD models in stores at the moment? For anyone able to clarify this - I thank you :blink:

Cheers,

jakes.

According to sharp.net.au PD series has different inputs combo (more importantly added optical out) then the GD series...also according to them PD are 2007 model where else GD are 2006 model

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According to sharp.net.au PD series has different inputs combo (more importantly added optical out) then the GD series...also according to them PD are 2007 model where else GD are 2006 model

Cool, thanks, was wondering whether the GD ones were older models, but the specs (apart from the inputs/outputs) seemed pretty similar. Looks like they are.

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According to sharp.net.au PD series has different inputs combo (more importantly added optical out) then the GD series...also according to them PD are 2007 model where else GD are 2006 model

Cool, thanks, was wondering whether the GD ones were older models, but the specs (apart from the inputs/outputs) seemed pretty similar. Looks like they are.

I can tell you I have written conformation (from Sharp Aust) that the GD7 (silver facia) is assembled in Tochigi (Japan), and the PD7 (black facia) is assembled in Malaysia. Other than that they are identical. The silver ones came in around December and the black are now just arriving. Two tuners, 2xHDMI, 2xComponent, 1xDVI, PC and digital audio out.

There is a 3rd model (PN-465E) which doesn’t have any in built tuners and no HDMI, only DVI. This model is fan-less, but designed for 24/7 operation (public place information screens etc). It also has more control of screen set up, brightness, contrast, RGB gamma etc.

I have both the GD7 and tuner-less version at the moment and while both have small H-banding, each is different in the banding. In saying that with the variable controls the professional one has, the image is possible better – skin-tones being one area. It is about 20% dearer than the GD tuners versions. Both are very good value considering we are comparing them to $35,000 CRTs. On 85-90% of images, the banding is not a problem. We are asking for more info about this and wether any particular screen can be field ‘tweaked’ here in Aust.

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I have both the GD7 and tuner-less version at the moment and while both have small H-banding, each is different in the banding. In saying that with the variable controls the professional one has, the image is possible better – skin-tones being one area. It is about 20% dearer than the GD tuners versions. Both are very good value considering we are comparing them to $35,000 CRTs. On 85-90% of images, the banding is not a problem. We are asking for more info about this and wether any particular screen can be field ‘tweaked’ here in Aust.

That's very helpful info, gepm, thanks.

One question re the vertical banding: if it's not a problem on 85-90% of images it's not a problem, when is it evident? Have you been able to determine whether there are there certain things that make it show up? Also, as you referred to the PN-465E, I assume your comments relate to the 46" models - I don't suppose you know if these banding problems affect other models in the range, too (I'm interested particularly in the 42" ones)?

Oh, I'd also be interested to know what you find out about further tweaking/adjustment, if Sharp provide you with such info. Cheers.

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LC46PD7X is set up and working beautifully! The digital tuner is excellent (even if the local digital channels are poor). Using it in conjuction with my Yamaha 2700 AV receiver to upscale to 720p or 1080i is terrific. Now, just have to get a blu ray or HD DVD player....

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That's very helpful info, gepm, thanks.

One question re the vertical banding: if it's not a problem on 85-90% of images it's not a problem, when is it evident? Have you been able to determine whether there are there certain things that make it show up? Also, as you referred to the PN-465E, I assume your comments relate to the 46" models - I don't suppose you know if these banding problems affect other models in the range, too (I'm interested particularly in the 42" ones)?

Oh, I'd also be interested to know what you find out about further tweaking/adjustment, if Sharp provide you with such info. Cheers.

We would also like to know how they 'tweak' banding and are awaiting some feedback. But how do they set them up in the 1st place? 1920x1080x3 pixels emitting the same Lum?

Yes both are 46" models. The banding on the PN-465E has smaller bands (in width) and is less of a change in Lum. The G7 version has wider bands, which show up on things like a tilt up following the shuttle taking off. Also most scenes where the screen is the same Lum all over, sky etc. If some one hasn't seen it, they don't seem to pick it up until they look at a full res-HD file or tape. Off air you would be hard press to see it. I will check out the AFL on 12-tomorrow night.

The 42" I saw with the 46" at Sharp and the main difference is the black area seems less 'solid' or has less off axis solidness. The resolution may be slightly down but I only saw Blu-ray & hard disc files, which were compressed. I think for 'us' the 46" is better as it comes closer to a 'clinical' display. It would be better if we could source a 26-32" LCD with same specs, but the market won't surrport a 'small' high quality screen. We have a 24" Grade 1 Sony CRT next to it and it’s about 6 years old, with tube ageing. On test patterns (multiburst) the Sharp is better by 1 or 2 bands. The sharpening control has artefacts, which forms harmony vertical effects, minor if set to -2 (out of +10 -10).

On motion its fine on full resolution HD 1080i stuff. The 1080p will give ‘judder’ or ‘motion’ artefacts. Channel 12 on NCIS seems cleaner and sharper than CSI now. The same things can been seen on the CRT if you use the same viewing distance/angle. The LCD has 6ms on 50hz and 4ms on 60hz. Pretty damn good in any flat screen.

The has PN-465E gamma RGB control while the G(P) doesn’t. The 232 port should have better control for techs if they can get the protocols from Sharp. For the price they AE good value for what you get. This may not seem good value to the average punter. Someone worked out that in 1976 CPI terms we should be paying $10-12,000, can’ confirm that.

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I went into town to buy the 42PD7X on saturday, only to find that for some stupid reason the banks were closed :blink:, have to get it this weekend instead. Got a quote of $3999 at JB for extended warranty (from 3 to 5 years), DVI-D cable and the thing it's self, not great but ok and within what I'm willing to pay. Will try to get an HDMI thrown in as well as I just realised the proprietry AV port on the PS3 is only for Component/Composite/S-Video not HDMI so any normal HDMI cable should work with it :D.

I will also see about a 0 defect policy for at least a week so if I get banding or dead pixels I can just take it back and get it swapped over.

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Got my 42PD7X and OMFG I love it :D. Watched the Casino Royale Blu-Ray I got for registering the PS3 and the quality is just amazing :P, played on the PS3 using HDMI. The 360 at 1080p (even if it is just the dashboard :P ) looks brilliant too over component. Even the Wii looks good over component, tho over composite it wasn't so great but I could have lived with it. And being able to hook up my lappy digitally via DVI-D without using powerstrip or DVI->HDMI trickery to get 1080p@60 is great :P.

The only prob I've had so far is that it shares the audio RCA plugs between composite and component, and the RCA to 2 RCA cable I got to try to overcome the problem didn't work the way I'd hoped :blink:. But the plugs are relatively easy to get at so swapping them as needed isn't too much of a chore :P.

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Would a home HTPC connected to this baby via DVI give you descent resolution of would it depend on the video card your using. Im trying not to be drawn into the 1080p debate but I wanna be able to connect my pc to it and still get good resolution.

Regards,

Brian

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Would a home HTPC connected to this baby via DVI give you descent resolution of would it depend on the video card your using. Im trying not to be drawn into the 1080p debate but I wanna be able to connect my pc to it and still get good resolution.

Regards,

Brian

The card is the trick, but both need grunt to work 'smoothly'.

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Could you recommend a video card to run this panel effectively?

I was playing with a lap top yesterday with a ATI with if I'm correct 516 or thereabouts memory, huge ram on the computer which was a 2 proccessor job.

Playing files at 25mbits worked nicley, allthough sometimes the card did judder for a frame or two. This was more related to keeping A/V sync. The files were raw TS streams or raw Mpeg.

The guy who owns (for about a week) thinks it could do with some more ram, but I think in the end I would want to test any type of set up like this before I would commit. I wasn't buying, just learning about laptops onto the Sharp and ^%&& Vista.

The internal screen on the laptop played nicley at 1280x720 (or 800). The output into the Sharp we used was a HDMI.

The whole laptop was in the $3K area.

gepm

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