New 42" 1080p Sharp Aquos Due End Feb 07

[jakes]

I have both the GD7 and tuner-less version at the moment and while both have small H-banding, each is different in the banding. In saying that with the variable controls the professional one has, the image is possible better – skin-tones being one area. It is about 20% dearer than the GD tuners versions. Both are very good value considering we are comparing them to $35,000 CRTs. On 85-90% of images, the banding is not a problem. We are asking for more info about this and wether any particular screen can be field ‘tweaked’ here in Aust.

That's very helpful info, gepm, thanks.

One question re the vertical banding: if it's not a problem on 85-90% of images it's not a problem, when is it evident? Have you been able to determine whether there are there certain things that make it show up? Also, as you referred to the PN-465E, I assume your comments relate to the 46" models - I don't suppose you know if these banding problems affect other models in the range, too (I'm interested particularly in the 42" ones)?

Oh, I'd also be interested to know what you find out about further tweaking/adjustment, if Sharp provide you with such info. Cheers.

[stormbrewer]

LC46PD7X is set up and working beautifully! The digital tuner is excellent (even if the local digital channels are poor). Using it in conjuction with my Yamaha 2700 AV receiver to upscale to 720p or 1080i is terrific. Now, just have to get a blu ray or HD DVD player....

[THX1979]

gepm

How well do the sharps handle fast motion / gaming compared to the Sony BVM's?

keen to know as i am considering the Lc-52pd7x as a trade up from my much beloved CRT

[kootaberra]

That's very helpful info, gepm, thanks.

One question re the vertical banding: if it's not a problem on 85-90% of images it's not a problem, when is it evident? Have you been able to determine whether there are there certain things that make it show up? Also, as you referred to the PN-465E, I assume your comments relate to the 46" models - I don't suppose you know if these banding problems affect other models in the range, too (I'm interested particularly in the 42" ones)?

Oh, I'd also be interested to know what you find out about further tweaking/adjustment, if Sharp provide you with such info. Cheers.

We would also like to know how they 'tweak' banding and are awaiting some feedback. But how do they set them up in the 1st place? 1920x1080x3 pixels emitting the same Lum?

Yes both are 46" models. The banding on the PN-465E has smaller bands (in width) and is less of a change in Lum. The G7 version has wider bands, which show up on things like a tilt up following the shuttle taking off. Also most scenes where the screen is the same Lum all over, sky etc. If some one hasn't seen it, they don't seem to pick it up until they look at a full res-HD file or tape. Off air you would be hard press to see it. I will check out the AFL on 12-tomorrow night.

The 42" I saw with the 46" at Sharp and the main difference is the black area seems less 'solid' or has less off axis solidness. The resolution may be slightly down but I only saw Blu-ray & hard disc files, which were compressed. I think for 'us' the 46" is better as it comes closer to a 'clinical' display. It would be better if we could source a 26-32" LCD with same specs, but the market won't surrport a 'small' high quality screen. We have a 24" Grade 1 Sony CRT next to it and it’s about 6 years old, with tube ageing. On test patterns (multiburst) the Sharp is better by 1 or 2 bands. The sharpening control has artefacts, which forms harmony vertical effects, minor if set to -2 (out of +10 -10).

On motion its fine on full resolution HD 1080i stuff. The 1080p will give ‘judder’ or ‘motion’ artefacts. Channel 12 on NCIS seems cleaner and sharper than CSI now. The same things can been seen on the CRT if you use the same viewing distance/angle. The LCD has 6ms on 50hz and 4ms on 60hz. Pretty damn good in any flat screen.

The has PN-465E gamma RGB control while the G(P) doesn’t. The 232 port should have better control for techs if they can get the protocols from Sharp. For the price they AE good value for what you get. This may not seem good value to the average punter. Someone worked out that in 1976 CPI terms we should be paying $10-12,000, can’ confirm that.

[Skiller]

I went into town to buy the 42PD7X on saturday, only to find that for some stupid reason the banks were closed , have to get it this weekend instead. Got a quote of $3999 at JB for extended warranty (from 3 to 5 years), DVI-D cable and the thing it's self, not great but ok and within what I'm willing to pay. Will try to get an HDMI thrown in as well as I just realised the proprietry AV port on the PS3 is only for Component/Composite/S-Video not HDMI so any normal HDMI cable should work with it .

I will also see about a 0 defect policy for at least a week so if I get banding or dead pixels I can just take it back and get it swapped over.

[Skiller]

Got my 42PD7X and OMFG I love it . Watched the Casino Royale Blu-Ray I got for registering the PS3 and the quality is just amazing , played on the PS3 using HDMI. The 360 at 1080p (even if it is just the dashboard ) looks brilliant too over component. Even the Wii looks good over component, tho over composite it wasn't so great but I could have lived with it. And being able to hook up my lappy digitally via DVI-D without using powerstrip or DVI->HDMI trickery to get 1080p@60 is great .

The only prob I've had so far is that it shares the audio RCA plugs between composite and component, and the RCA to 2 RCA cable I got to try to overcome the problem didn't work the way I'd hoped . But the plugs are relatively easy to get at so swapping them as needed isn't too much of a chore .

[aceman]

Would a home HTPC connected to this baby via DVI give you descent resolution of would it depend on the video card your using. Im trying not to be drawn into the 1080p debate but I wanna be able to connect my pc to it and still get good resolution.

Regards,

Brian

[kootaberra]

Would a home HTPC connected to this baby via DVI give you descent resolution of would it depend on the video card your using. Im trying not to be drawn into the 1080p debate but I wanna be able to connect my pc to it and still get good resolution.

Regards,

Brian

The card is the trick, but both need grunt to work 'smoothly'.

[aceman]

Could you recommend a video card to run this panel effectively?

[kootaberra]

Could you recommend a video card to run this panel effectively?

I was playing with a lap top yesterday with a ATI with if I'm correct 516 or thereabouts memory, huge ram on the computer which was a 2 proccessor job.

Playing files at 25mbits worked nicley, allthough sometimes the card did judder for a frame or two. This was more related to keeping A/V sync. The files were raw TS streams or raw Mpeg.

The guy who owns (for about a week) thinks it could do with some more ram, but I think in the end I would want to test any type of set up like this before I would commit. I wasn't buying, just learning about laptops onto the Sharp and ^%&& Vista.

The internal screen on the laptop played nicley at 1280x720 (or 800). The output into the Sharp we used was a HDMI.

The whole laptop was in the $3K area.

gepm

[SSS_Hoon]

I bought the LC-46PD7X last week we got it for $4250 i think a bargain of a price that was.

Anyway my question is this we set it up and while watching it more so on HDTV and DVD's the skin tones are sometimes purple and shimmery silver/blue color and no matter what setting i put it on its the same, although its not the entire time only certain angles of there faces.

Even while watching a divx cough cough file i had it was the same.

Its connected up using input 1 with the yellow only as sound is going through my hifi system.

any help would be appreciated.

Also a bit off topic, but the forum wont let me start any new topics why is that?

thanx

SSS_Hoon

Edited April 23, 2007 by SSS_Hoon

[byt]

I bought the LC-46PD7X last week we got it for $4250 i think a bargain of a price that was.

May I ask from where you got yours from . $4250, sounds like a real bargain!!!

[SSS_Hoon]

yeah i thought so too, we were looking at the 46" bravia x the best we found was $4700, then we found the sharp 46" aquos for $4250 and that is even with 12 months interest free terms too so even more of a bargain.

we got it from dick smiths in penrith nsw when they had a 15% off sale, the next best price we could get for the sharp was at jb hifi with 5200 then binglee with 5300, sharp website say retail for 6200.

anyone with ideas on the color side of things?

SSS_Hoon

[THX1979]

yeah I looked at the back of the 52 inch Sharp (the one with the sexy gloss black bezel ) and it said Made In MAlaysia. I assume the glass comes from K2 ??

[kootaberra]

yeah I looked at the back of the 52 inch Sharp (the one with the sexy gloss black bezel ) and it said Made In MAlaysia. I assume the glass comes from K2 ??

The 'silver bezel' ones are assembled in Japan. The 'black bezel' are assembled in M. Same insides made in Japan.

Did I understand right that the colour problem (off someone else) is from a compsosite or component feed? Either way try the Tint, but with a composite feed it may be as is. The 46 we have dosn't do that, but I am running Tint +1.

[SSS_Hoon]

im using the yellow rca in input one and also with the coax cable in the analogue running the DVD through the video still the same.

i have tried the tint at numerous settings along with everything else i have it ok but it was of a divx file that is small size and quality so will have to try it with a dvd again and pause it and change the setting around i think.

SSS_Hoon

[SSS_Hoon]

anyone?

SSS_Hoon

[Scalpel]

Anyway my question is this we set it up and while watching it more so on HDTV and DVD's the skin tones are sometimes purple and shimmery silver/blue color and no matter what setting i put it on its the same, although its not the entire time only certain angles of there faces.

Even while watching a divx cough cough file i had it was the same.

Its connected up using input 1 with the yellow only as sound is going through my hifi system.

any help would be appreciated.

SSS_Hoon

im using the yellow rca in input one and also with the coax cable in the analogue running the DVD through the video still the same.

i have tried the tint at numerous settings along with everything else i have it ok but it was of a divx file that is small size and quality so will have to try it with a dvd again and pause it and change the setting around i think.

SSS_Hoon

If you are using a composite cable (looks like [this]) to connect - it will be stereo audio 'white'+'red' and video 'yellow' ) then it cannot transmit a High Definition signal, because this is beyond the bandwidth for this sort of connection. It is also the worst quality connection you can use.

I cannot understand what you mean by "and also with the coax cable in the analogue running the DVD through the video still the same"

You need to read up a bit on the difference between video connections (composite / S-video / component / VGA / DVI+HDMI). HD video signals (eg HDTV / consoles in HD resolutions / HDDVD+Bluray) will use all but the 1st two.

(This) would be a good place to start.

J.

Also a bit off topic, but the forum wont let me start any new topics why is that?

PS - Read the forum threads (here) about restrictions on new users. You now have 11 posts, so you do have permission to do both now.

[THX1979]

so I cant use composite any more? Bummer

[SSS_Hoon]

The cable im using looks like the one you posted a picture of except it has the same 3 plugs at both ends.

My set up is like this(for now till we move and get a more permant setup done)

The ariel comes in from outside goes into my VCR then out of my VCR and into the TV, now when i have it in the Analouge arial plug on the TV the picture is the same crap i get with the old CRT TV, when i put it in the DTV arial plug the picture becomes very good except for the skin tones every now and then are funny and shiny and diff colours.

Now my DVD player on my old CRT tv went audio output of the DVD to the Hifi and the video went from the DVD via RCA plug to the VCR then From the VCR via RCA to the CRT for the HD LCD TV i left it the same except it now goes to the LCD TV input 1 instead of the CRT TV. The picture overall is better then the CRT TV was except for the skin tones again, and i removed the VCR part so the Video went straight From the DVD to the LCD TV wia the RCA plug and still the same, that is what i meant by that comment.

SSS_Hoon

[damianb7]

Nearly bought the new 46" sharp today. Got offered $4500 for it at Harvey Norman.

[spacecowboy]

The cable im using looks like the one you posted a picture of except it has the same 3 plugs at both ends.

My set up is like this(for now till we move and get a more permant setup done)

The ariel comes in from outside goes into my VCR then out of my VCR and into the TV, now when i have it in the Analouge arial plug on the TV the picture is the same crap i get with the old CRT TV, when i put it in the DTV arial plug the picture becomes very good except for the skin tones every now and then are funny and shiny and diff colours.

Now my DVD player on my old CRT tv went audio output of the DVD to the Hifi and the video went from the DVD via RCA plug to the VCR then From the VCR via RCA to the CRT for the HD LCD TV i left it the same except it now goes to the LCD TV input 1 instead of the CRT TV. The picture overall is better then the CRT TV was except for the skin tones again, and i removed the VCR part so the Video went straight From the DVD to the LCD TV wia the RCA plug and still the same, that is what i meant by that comment.

SSS_Hoon

I have no idea why you would loop the DVD signal through the VCR??????

Anyway, You should be using the Component (Video out, Red, Green, Blue Connections) directly to your LCD. The picture will be alot better and crisper. You can even buy good DVD players with HDMI now for under $200 as well as another option.

[Anthony123]

Nearly bought the new 46" sharp today. Got offered $4500 for it at Harvey Norman.

aren't the 46inch under 4k yet?? 4500 is what they were selling bout 5-6 wks ago??

[kootaberra]

If you are using a composite cable (looks like [this]) to connect - it will be stereo audio 'white'+'red' and video 'yellow' ) then it cannot transmit a High Definition signal, because this is beyond the bandwidth for this sort of connection. It is also the worst quality connection you can use.

The cable itself 'may, I said may' pass HD component signals, but there may be artifacts. The plug at the end of your sample cable may be non-HD.

[damianb7]

aren't the 46inch under 4k yet?? 4500 is what they were selling bout 5-6 wks ago??

No I don't think so, that might be the old model. I was under the impression this was the latest model.