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I bought a 32" Shaub Lorenz (manufactured by Phyls FMC Co) 2 weeks ago because we liked the PQ better than the various models of 32" Sony or Samsung, and the "plain" look.

So far no problems and the satisfaction with the PQ remains, it is very pleasant to watch. The sound is good too.

As for the German vs Korean image, the Shaub Lorenz TV name was not "well-known" by anyone I know. Maybe it's like Suzuki or Opel cars being sold by Holden - judge the items' suitability, not it's name.

As for warranty, yes a big Corporation might be safer, but there are plenty of horror stories about any brand I've seen.

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Ok so now I'm becoming a bit picky, however has anyone noticed the slight delay between the picture and the sound when running the video and audio seperately?

When I split the sound directly into my amp from the dvd player (as running it through the tv makes it sound weak) the sound is like half a second ahead of the picture.

I've also noticed the delay when running games through it, there is a half a second delay in the picture response.

Car games are particulary bad on it.

Could this be a setting on the tv? Has anyone else notice this or could it be a problem with my tv?

Any suggestions to get around this would be appreciated

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Just wanted to make a few observations regarding my own experience with Schaub Lorenz.

I purchased a 37" LCD display model number VMD3700PHF MKII.

Overall I am delighted with the Picture quality and I love the simple plain look of the casing.

The remote control is a little too busy for my liking, much prefer simple layout and controls like the Sony that I replaced with the SL.

Big problem is that the inbuilt HD doesn't allow Dolby Digital pass through out of it's digital audio outputs when connected to my Marantz A/V surround amplifier.

Just wondering if anybody else has had this problem.

I have contacted Encel Stereo/Inter Dyn but have yet to receive a satisfactory response.

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Just wanted to make a few observations regarding my own experience with Schaub Lorenz.

I purchased a 37" LCD display model number VMD3700PHF MKII.

Overall I am delighted with the Picture quality and I love the simple plain look of the casing.

The remote control is a little too busy for my liking, much prefer simple layout and controls like the Sony that I replaced with the SL.

Big problem is that the inbuilt HD doesn't allow Dolby Digital pass through out of it's digital audio outputs when connected to my Marantz A/V surround amplifier.

Just wondering if anybody else has had this problem.

I have contacted Encel Stereo/Inter Dyn but have yet to receive a satisfactory response.

The question is, why are International Dynamics / Encel fooling consumers into buying, literally NO-NAME TV sets?

Well the answers pretty obvious, Loewe, was well regarded German company that Encel were selling, hey, let's make our OWN german sounding company to completely hide the fact that we're flogging unbranded rubbish.

To the 4 or so people who have bought these sets, and have convinced themselves these are as good as Sony/Panasonic/Philips/Samsung you have been ripped off, plainly and simply.

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The question is, why are International Dynamics / Encel fooling consumers into buying, literally NO-NAME TV sets?

Well the answers pretty obvious, Loewe, was well regarded German company that Encel were selling, hey, let's make our OWN german sounding company to completely hide the fact that we're flogging unbranded rubbish.

To the 4 or so people who have bought these sets, and have convinced themselves these are as good as Sony/Panasonic/Philips/Samsung you have been ripped off, plainly and simply.

Mine is in the repair shop again. This time it's because there are white patches appearing around the edges of the screen.

This is the third set i have owned since i purchased my first one in January 2007.

3 tvs in 4 months is not a good sign...

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Mine is in the repair shop again. This time it's because there are white patches appearing around the edges of the screen.

This is the third set i have owned since i purchased my first one in January 2007.

3 tvs in 4 months is not a good sign...

Just to follow up on my last post. Received a call from Inter Dyn this afternoon and was advised that the digital audio outputs only transmit PCM not Dolby Digital.

Anyone who owns or wants to by an SL set needs to be aware that the inbuilt hi-def tuner has a major limitation and if one wants to take advantage of surround sound broadcasts you will need to purchase a separate set top box that offers that functionality.

Very disappointed, should have bought the Sony X series...

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Sounds like it then, particularly if it has backlight problems. The only other option from Korea that I'm aware of (and I live in Korea) is LG-Philips, but I haven't heard of such problems with LG panels. The only other big manufacturer is Sharp, based in Japan.

On a different note, does anyone know if a 3Schaub Lorenz 37" MKII is coming? I'm looking at buying a 37" lcd in the next few months - when I return to Australia - but would like it to accept 1080p signals.

Samsung don't make 37" panels, so I guess the answer is that it's an LG panel.

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I have put a Schaub Lorenz PHF4200 MK2 on order from late March and should come next week along with a Yamaha RX-V661 av receiver. See what happens when it is all connected.

Cancel it, why would you possibly continue with your purchase when there are way better sets out there, cheaper?

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I have put a Schaub Lorenz PHF4200 MK2 on order from late March and should come next week along with a Yamaha RX-V661 av receiver. See what happens when it is all connected.

I would consider cancelling it as well. am in the process of negotiating a refund for mine

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Cancel it, why would you possibly continue with your purchase when there are way better sets out there, cheaper?

I thought of getting the Sony, but due to the one-year warranty and need to pay so and so many hundreds of dollars for up to 5 years extended warranty, then having trouble with Sony with warranty issues, I decided not worth the hassle. Next was the Samsung which the 1080p panel is similar to the SL. Sharp is too dear for me - $5600 for a 42" model and could still have banding issues etc. Anyway it seems all plasmas and LCDs are not as perfect as CRTs, and I 'took the plunge' with the model which seems to me better for a 1st purchase.

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I thought of getting the Sony, but due to the one-year warranty and need to pay so and so many hundreds of dollars for up to 5 years extended warranty, then having trouble with Sony with warranty issues, I decided not worth the hassle. Next was the Samsung which the 1080p panel is similar to the SL. Sharp is too dear for me - $5600 for a 42" model and could still have banding issues etc. Anyway it seems all plasmas and LCDs are not as perfect as CRTs, and I 'took the plunge' with the model which seems to me better for a 1st purchase.

I don't know where you were getting your prices but the Sharp shouldn't be anywhere near $5600 for the 42" model. At least one person on the forum has been quoted about $3400 and I've seen it in store for around $4100, so below 4 grand should be easily achievable. Don't know what you paid for the SL, but it might have been worth looking at the Samsung or the Sharp, if the negative reports on the SL's reliability are correct. But I guess if you're happy with your purchase that's probably all that matters :blink:

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I don't know where you were getting your prices but the Sharp shouldn't be anywhere near $5600 for the 42" model. At least one person on the forum has been quoted about $3400 and I've seen it in store for around $4100, so below 4 grand should be easily achievable. Don't know what you paid for the SL, but it might have been worth looking at the Samsung or the Sharp, if the negative reports on the SL's reliability are correct. But I guess if you're happy with your purchase that's probably all that matters :blink:

RRP for the LC42PD4x (new model, 3 weeks old??) is $5199. Where I work, $3400 is WELL below cost price. Are you sure your looking at the current 1080p model?

3yr warranty standard on 37" and above Sharps.

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RRP for the LC42PD4x (new model, 3 weeks old??) is $5199. Where I work, $3400 is WELL below cost price. Are you sure your looking at the current 1080p model?

3yr warranty standard on 37" and above Sharps.

I'm just reporting what someone else said they were quoted. See this post in the Sharp thread here. I assume the reference to piano black model is to the current PD range as opposed to the largely silver GD range? And I agree, the quoted $3474 seems extremely low. Of course, if there is a piano black 42" GD model, this means that this price is on last year's model, but the info in the Sharp 42" 1080p thread indicates that the GD and PD are actually very similar.

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I'm pretty sure Samsung does make 37" panels, possibly in one of its factories in China. They're just not available as Samsung-branded products in Australia.

I don't think so, if they do that's a great lineup; 32", 37", 40", 46"

Companies that make a 42" LCD (LG, Philips, Sharp) make a 37", not companies with 40" LCDs.

If they make 37" then it's most likely a PDP, not LCD

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I don't think so, if they do that's a great lineup; 32", 37", 40", 46"

Companies that make a 42" LCD (LG, Philips, Sharp) make a 37", not companies with 40" LCDs.

If they make 37" then it's most likely a PDP, not LCD

This would certainly appear to be a Samsung 37" LCD TV: http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate....amp;item=334074 And I'm pretty certain I've seen other 37" models here in Seoul.

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Hi all,

I realise this is an old thread, but hopefully somebody is still around! :blink: I have a question for the Schaub Lorenz PHF Mk I/II (i.e. 1080i/p) owners (Gazzz, jesse, dwhardy, and others), if I may.

I'm considering getting one of these, and I've also been reading some positive things about the new Samsung 'M' series (LE40M81 in Aus/NZ, LE40M87 in UK), but unfortunately no stores here in NZ seem to stock both brands for easy comparison and the new Samsungs are thin on the ground at present. So I'm wondering if any of the new-model Schaub owners had an opportunity to audition their Schaubs vs other brands (particularly Samsung) for picture quality? My sources will be analog TV, digital TV and hi-def content from Media Centre PC primarily, with an HD-DVD in the future some-when.

If anyone has any thoughts on the PQ aspect of Schaub Lorenz TVs vs other brands, their opinion would be very welcome at this point!

Many thanks!

CB

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Hi all,

I realise this is an old thread, but hopefully somebody is still around! :blink: I have a question for the Schaub Lorenz PHF Mk I/II (i.e. 1080i/p) owners (Gazzz, jesse, dwhardy, and others), if I may.

I would PM those forum members who have bought them and ask how are they going with their SL tv.

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If anyone has any thoughts on the PQ aspect of Schaub Lorenz TVs vs other brands, their opinion would be very welcome at this point!

Many thanks!

CB

I have the Shaub Lorenz VMD4200PHF Mk2 and the picture quality on free-to-air and Foxtel is very good. I am currently on the 2nd TV, as the 1st one kept getting 'no signal' on all inputs (DVD, Foxtel, DTV, etc.), and I always needed to unplug and plug back in the powerpoint. On my current one, I have 10 stuck pixels across the screen (happened after seeing the episode 'The Breaking Point' of Band Of Brothers), and bad clouding.

I am getting the updated model in another week, which apparently is not black, but grey. The Big Picture People in Knox are excellent; they did not come to my house to see the TV for themselves to tell if I am lying or not. They organise a replacement unit with the distributor and then ring me with details.

If this is your first HDTV, then I recommend for its picture quality. For TV issues, then I recommend getting a TV from specialist audio/video stores, as getting HDTVs from JB Hi-Fi, Harvey Norman, DSE, etc. you could run into alot of trouble with after-sales support; not to mention tech support from Sony, Sharp, Samsung, etc.

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Hi Charlie.

If you are going to be using it predominantly as a TV you can do much better (price wise)

If you are going to be using it as a computer monitor, sitting 600mm away from it like i do, (in an MDF cockpit with steering wheel and pedals and shifter etc.. =D! HEHE) then right on, it's a splendid panel to behold.

My replacement MKII has clouding issues DEVELOPING, a couple of months after it was repaced. (Near perfect at that time)

Thank god these things come with 5 year warranties (bad move on SL's behalf)

For the same price as this 42", ($3699) i could buy 3x 42" LCD's from JB hifi ($999) and a matrox triple head2go and run 3 monitors around my cockpit for surround visual gaming. Don't get the res but hey... over 3 meters of veiwing area. thats wankable.

However I'll stress it again and again, the big pic peeps can't put a foot wrong. Thank god they're one of the only people selling this brand (maybe not for much longer hahah) as any other major chain would not be as understanding.

As for picture quality on the schaub... it's simply amazing (pc input) Provided all your pixels work... my first one had over 15 dodgie pixels and a very badly bled backlight. DTV is very nice and foxtel... well foxtel is crap and no panel should be commented upon the quality of it. Same goes for Wii and I haven't had the pleasure of viewing a PS3 through it yet.

On that note, I still haven't seen this panel at it's native 1080p. I can only get my PC to run it at 1792x996, a very wierd resolution that fits the panel 1:1 and looks 10 out of 10, but becuase of overscanning I can't get 1920x1080p 1:1.

I beleive samsung have a 1:1 HDMI Mapping feature and this will be high on my list for the replacement of the Schaub Lorenz 42" LCD.

Very disappointed and disgrunted buyer. Maybe i'll get a projector... i live in darkness anyway.

The only good thing about the whole thing is knowing that my retailer is on my side, so charlie... if you're feeling lucky give the bic pic peeps a buzz and try your luck.

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I would PM those forum members who have bought them and ask how are they going with their SL tv.

I had mine taken back yesterday by encel stereo. they gave me a full refund. Today I went and bought a Sony 40" Bravia X series which will be delivered in a few days time. My only problem with the SL VMD3700 PHF MKII was the fact that the inbuilt hi-def tuner didn't allow Dolby Digital pass-through to my surround amp. I should point out that it is advertised in the owners manual on page 16 that it could...

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Hi all, and thank you so much for your replies - things are slowly becoming clearer now thanks to your thoughts and suggestions.

@Phantoma: That's a good idea, I hadn't thought of that. I'm just not sure of the etiquette in that situation - is that an OK thing for a 'new' member to do?

@agent86 (Mr Smart?!): That is an excellent suggestion to buy from a specialist store, as it sounds like both you and Gazzz have received really impressive 'above and beyond' service from your retailers (much more-so than I can imagine receiving from our generalist stores here in NZ). So I guess that's a strike against my buying a 'mainstream' product like Sony, Samsung, etc, as they generally aren't sold through specialist stores here.

@Gazzz: Wow, sounds like you're almost considering wallpapering with large LCDs! Makes me think of the picture walls in 'Total Recall' - very nice. :D I've heard rumours we are finally getting a JB Hifi here towards the end of this year, so hopefully that'll give some competition to get panels down to the prices you mention over there! But that's a serious concern with clouding happening post burn-in, and pixel deterioration developing so quickly. 5-year warranty is really excellent, though. Yes, I'll be driving it from Vista MCE mainly at this stage; the new machine I'm building will have HDMI out, and you've hit the nail on the head re the Samsung: its 1:1 'just scan' mode is what I'm hoping will give great 1080p with no overscan issues. Glad to hear I'm looking at the right models if you're considering them as well. Will you be asking for a refund for your current SL, do you think?

@dwhardy: Very happy to hear you're being looked after so well by your reseller, too. And the Sony KDL-40X2000 is the other TV on my shortlist! I actually auditioned it today and I was more impressed than I thought I would be. Its wide viewing angle was stunning, apparently this is to do with the new S-PVA panel (also in the Samsung M81 by all accounts). Would you mind popping back here when it arrives to share your initial thoughts on how it compares to your 'old' SL? That would be wonderful to hear.

I must say that at this early stage (barring someone saying they've had a 'perfect' SL), all your experiences are echoing what I've heard here in NZ - I have 2 friends who have had 4 SL failures between them in 8 months. Three were similar to agent86's original fault and another was complete panel sync circuitry failure after about 30 minutes of operation (so you could only watch half-hour shows if you timed it juuuuust right...!). Both friends have been looked after extremely well by the reseller (specialist store!) and importer, but everybody loses if the brand isn't reliable quality, is my thinking.

I don't generally have much luck with lotteries, and its starting to sound like the SL units are a bit of a wildcard, in spite of their excellent PQ and up-scaling logic (upscaling a lo-res source is something the SL's do much better than the Sony X, I feel, though the Sony is wonderful if you can give it a hi-res feed). Plus I think the SL's only have a 3-year warranty here in NZ. :blink:

I still have a bit of time as the Samsungs aren't released here for another week and I want to see them 'live' before I make any final decision, so if anyone has any more thoughts, I'm all ears.

Thanks again to everyone for sharing their time and experiences - its a really big help!

CB

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Charlie, they do only come with 3 year warranty, but you can get an additional 2 year simply by registering on their website with your tv's model and serial number. As for wether mine is going back, well Im unsure right at this moment. I'm off in about 20 minutes to the big pic peeps and see whatelse they can offer (not SL)... possibly 1080p projector.. (additional $3k to refund though....) Wouldn't It Be Nice =)

The schaubs are such a beautifull panel, and i still rate the PQ higher than anything else i've seen anywhere, but they just don't seem to stand up quality wise, with failures, speaker problems, bleeding backlight, dead and lit pixels etc etc

Again though, try your luck... i assure you you won't be disappointed with the picture quality =)

And for the record... I'm getting a new PC (STAY AWAY FROM VISTA!!!!!) with a geforce 4 7600gt.... comes with over and underscan adjustments for both x and y axis. Nice. Finally going to get this panel cranking full 1080p

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