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After much deliberation and testing I ended up following Choice magazine's advice and bought a SD plasma. I got the a Panasonic 106cm TH-42PA60A because the picture was superior to the other SD plasmas. Couldn't be happier and saved a fortune that would have been wasted on HD gear. At a comfortable viewing distance far enough away that you are not constantly having to move your eyes/head to follow the action (very tiring) of around 3-4m, there is NO difference in picture quality to full HD gear, and SD pictures are far superior on a SD plasma than a HD plasma. This is true whether you have perfect vision (as I do) or not. Don't waste your money on HD gear and don't buy an LCD tv, they can't display black properly and all have a narrow viewing angle no matter what they claim. LCD's are only useful as a computer monitor. :blink:

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After much deliberation and testing I ended up following Choice magazine's advice and bought a SD plasma. I got the a Panasonic 106cm TH-42PA60A because the picture was superior to the other SD plasmas. Couldn't be happier and saved a fortune that would have been wasted on HD gear. At a comfortable viewing distance far enough away that you are not constantly having to move your eyes/head to follow the action (very tiring) of around 3-4m, there is NO difference in picture quality to full HD gear, and SD pictures are far superior on a SD plasma than a HD plasma. This is true whether you have perfect vision (as I do) or not. Don't waste your money on HD gear and don't buy an LCD tv, they can't display black properly and all have a narrow viewing angle no matter what they claim. LCD's are only useful as a computer monitor. :blink:

mate, as long as you're happy, its all that matters!

Congrats on your Xmas purchase!

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After much deliberation and testing I ended up following Choice magazine's advice and bought a SD plasma. I got the a Panasonic 106cm TH-42PA60A because the picture was superior to the other SD plasmas. Couldn't be happier and saved a fortune that would have been wasted on HD gear. At a comfortable viewing distance far enough away that you are not constantly having to move your eyes/head to follow the action (very tiring) of around 3-4m, there is NO difference in picture quality to full HD gear, and SD pictures are far superior on a SD plasma than a HD plasma. This is true whether you have perfect vision (as I do) or not. Don't waste your money on HD gear and don't buy an LCD tv, they can't display black properly and all have a narrow viewing angle no matter what they claim. LCD's are only useful as a computer monitor. :blink:

Congrats, you made a wise purchase. Its the best tv you can get in that price range and I agree, HD resolution is a waste of money on a 42" or smaller screen.

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Playing in standard resolution on my Xbox 360 is painful. The HUD, text etc. look awfully blurry. I think I'll stick with high def thanks.

If you're happy, great. But what pleases you isn't necessarily what pleases others. There are pros and cons of HD and SD, and pros and cons of Plasma, LCD, etc. Factors such as your eyesight, viewing distance, the type of room you're in, whether you're going to be connecting a PC/games console/BluRay/HD-DVD or simply watching DVDs and FTA TV...

Blanket statements like "HD is a waste of money" or "SD looks like crap" are worthless.

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It's an interesting and much discussed topic but I was at a wholesalers display show awhile ago and saw the 42 inch Panasonic SD with a Hi Def source and most reckoned it was about 15% better than the same plasma with an SD source. I don't understand this but there you have it.

But, bangs for buck you got a good deal. Enjoy.

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It's an interesting and much discussed topic but I was at a wholesalers display show awhile ago and saw the 42 inch Panasonic SD with a Hi Def source and most reckoned it was about 15% better than the same plasma with an SD source. I don't understand this but there you have it.

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I think the best explanation I read was something along the lines of:

A 1080 line source badly downscaled, highly compressed and broadcast as 576 lines, can only look so good on your tv, which also has to downscale again to 480 lines. The original downscaling and compression of the SD signal I believe is where so many of the compression artifacts and jaggies come from?

However, as I understand, feeding a 480 line display a full 1080 line HD signal (of a 1080 line source) results in a better picture because the display has the most amount of information with which to come up with a picture.

The thing I frequently remind myself: it's not the number of pixels, but the quality of the information that makes up an image with those pixels.

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At a comfortable viewing distance far enough away that you are not constantly having to move your eyes/head to follow the action (very tiring) of around 3-4m, there is NO difference in picture quality to full HD gear, and SD pictures are far superior on a SD plasma than a HD plasma.

If you can not see any difference between HD and SD at 3-4 metres, then you do NOT have the perfect vision you claim, sorry....

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Mate, wait till you see the Pana 65" 1080p plasma. Then you'll have to decide whether to trade in the Accent or the Elantra.

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Mate, wait till you see the Pana 65" 1080p plasma. Then you'll have to decide whether to trade in the Accent or the Elantra.

ROFL !!!!

but seriously, for the $16-1700 this panasonic is going for and the distance you are sitting (3-4m), there really isnt too much else out there for the $$$ and size etc.. we almost bought it in fact but then changed our mind for an LCD for a couple of hund more.. we sit approx 2-2.5m from a 40" HD LCD and the PQ is awesome.

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As usual it all comes down to viewing distances and what you actually want to do with the display with the budget you have. I agree that if you're going to be sitting 3 metres away and you can only afford 2 grand then there's no point buying a HD display. I'm sitting 2.5m from my 60" and true HD looks amazing but I wouldn't want anything smaller for watching at that distance.

Also, as SteveBucesmi pointed out, a HD display is almost mandatory for Xbox360/PS3.

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Congrats on your decision. A few weeks ago we decided on the TH-42PV60A HD version. At 3 metres you can definitely see the difference between SD and HD from the set top box. DVDs look great as well - I would argue that they look as good on our screen as on yours :blink:

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As usual it all comes down to viewing distances and what you actually want to do with the display with the budget you have. I agree that if you're going to be sitting 3 metres away and you can only afford 2 grand then there's no point buying a HD display. I'm sitting 2.5m from my 60" and true HD looks amazing but I wouldn't want anything smaller for watching at that distance.

Also, as SteveBucesmi pointed out, a HD display is almost mandatory for Xbox360/PS3.

Yeah exactly.

If you are sitting too far away, or have a smallish screen, then for all intents and purposes, HD is a bit of a waste.

However, if you want to watch proper HD content (of which there isnt a great deal going around) and sit at a proper viewing distance from your display, then I think the improvement in PQ is worth the extra money.

Proper HD content at 2.9m from my 70" looks amazing, and there quite simply is no comparison to SD.

But the more you move back...the more this superiority is eroded...until you get to a point when its not noticeable.

All comes down to Distance, Content and Budget.

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Should have saved your money all together and stuck with your better black CRT! and spent the money on getting a HD DVD player!

After much deliberation and testing I ended up following Choice magazine's advice and bought a SD plasma. I got the a Panasonic 106cm TH-42PA60A because the picture was superior to the other SD plasmas. Couldn't be happier and saved a fortune that would have been wasted on HD gear. At a comfortable viewing distance far enough away that you are not constantly having to move your eyes/head to follow the action (very tiring) of around 3-4m, there is NO difference in picture quality to full HD gear, and SD pictures are far superior on a SD plasma than a HD plasma. This is true whether you have perfect vision (as I do) or not. Don't waste your money on HD gear and don't buy an LCD tv, they can't display black properly and all have a narrow viewing angle no matter what they claim. LCD's are only useful as a computer monitor. :blink:

BTW shouldn't you be posting in the Standard Def forum? or where you simply trolling?

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If you can not see any difference between HD and SD at 3-4 metres, then you do NOT have the perfect vision you claim, sorry....

Totally disagree - no perceptible difference at normal viewing distance.

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The thing I frequently remind myself: it's not the number of pixels, but the quality of the information that makes up an image with those pixels.

Couldn't agree more!!!

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All comes down to Distance, Content and Budget.

I like this summary. But I reckon we could throw in an A to make it ABCD:

Aesthetics

Budget

Content

Distance

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There cant be too many SD plasmas still available these days.

They will be gone this time next year i reckon.

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i agree mrplou... plus i've read they are already working on resolution 4 times better than Full HD!

but i guess its gonna get to a point where our eyes cant distinguish any better... i mean how much better can a pic get after full HD??

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i agree mrplou... plus i've read they are already working on resolution 4 times better than Full HD!

but i guess its gonna get to a point where our eyes cant distinguish any better... i mean how much better can a pic get after full HD??

haha hopefull to the point where from 5cm away the res is that high you cannot see the pixels and think you are looking out a window .... ive seen a few LCD's running a 1080p image from one of the generator things at good guys ozzy park and they look friggen amazing from a few feet away, so lifelike even tho the panels are not 1080p... i can imagine higher res would look even better and much more lifelike..

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There cant be too many SD plasmas still available these days.

They will be gone this time next year i reckon.

Especially once the HD channels will be about to transmit different content to the SD channel as at the 01/01/07! :blink:

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front projection at 4xhd? hoyts at home?

Because you brought it up, ray888, there are already 2160p digital projectors being used in commercial cinema complexes (apparently they can display 4 x Full HD 1080p). You can buy these from specialist retailers, but you better have a massive dedicated home theatre room with a bio box (fan noise is 60db) and money to burn (they use dual $3000 globes, though you are meant to switch between them for uninterrupted viewing in case one blows half way through a film). I understand these have also been used in massive gaming festivals in Japan and the US for those high end gaming freaks - would love to wire myself into that gear for a few rounds of "Punisher".

Like the ABCD summary by the way - very accurate.

I paid $1,600 for a 42" 720p 3LCD slimline rearpro (the new Sony Bravia E-Series) - excellent value for money at a 3m viewing distance. Has a very wide horizontal viewing angle (better than most LCD panels), but a poor vertical viewing angle. Depends on if you watch much TV standing up. I get colour flashes off plasma similar to DLP rainbow effect, as does my girlfriend, so plasma just wasn't an option.

I am not sold on 1080p just yet. I use a Sony VPL-HS60 on a 100" front projection system at 4.5m (3LCD 720p/1080i with 11,000:1 contrast ratio), and I didn't notice much difference between that and the Sony VPL-VW50 (3SXRD 1080p with 15,000:1 contrast ratio) on the same set up - not enough the justify the $4,000 price difference, anyway. If I were sitting closer, I think I might be tempted. But from 4.5m, there's no point until the price drops dramatically.

The budget conscious should check out the falling prices on 720p HD machines as I think these give very good value for money, and in my opinion, better than SD, which looks pretty bad though the VPL-HS60 at 100" from 4.5m.

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Especially once the HD channels will be about to transmit different content to the SD channel as at the 01/01/07! :blink:

Please elaborate.

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the improvment I can see with my own eys wiht hi-def hd-dvd over dvd hooked upto my hitachi alis panel says it was well and trully worth it. same with watching soem drool worthy hd shows on tv all worth it. and its only going ot get more and more with more hd appearing on the menu.

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