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Reading the specs of the LA40F71BX, I see it has a USB port.

1) Is this USB2.0 enabled?

2) Could you connect an external hard drive and watch movies from it?

3) Can you listen to audio out via USB plantronic headphones?

1) The manual states that "only Full-Speed USB is available". So if by USB2.0 you actually mean Hi-Speed USB, then no.

2) WISELINK only does MP3 and JPG.

3) No, just regular headphones in the 3.5mm jack.

Perhaps this set will interest you:

Acer 3705-HMGW

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Ok - my LA46F71BX just arrived.

Initial impressions...seems like a nice TV, but my impression from the store of seeming a little dark still holds. While blacks seem ok, there is very little definition in dark areas. I've only tried this on component so far...as this is what my AV Amp puts out.

The big kicker for me is the it WON'T do PIP on component :-( We usually have the baby cam hooked up via composite, and we can bring him up in a sub window while watching a movie. ARGH!

PIP really sucks on this model. It pretty much doesn't work with anything other than HDMI, and I'm guessing that the 1:1 firmware will disable it anyway.

I checked it did PIP before I bought it, but didn't think to check the matrix to see if it works with component. It worked beautifully on our old Samsung Plasma :-(

Zilch.

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I have received my 40" LCD and now reading and typing this post through VGA.

The model number I have is:

LA40F71BX/XSA

Can I just confirm - does 1:1 mapping means it gets rid of the anti-aliasing or smoothing effect on the screen? Without the firmware upgrade, it's still looking pretty good. :D

I will keep an eye on the progress of this thread and will try to help / answer any questions if I can. :blink:

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If however you never watch FTA or Foxtel and you are planning to replace your DVD collection with BR or HD-DVD then you will benefit in a big way. Oh and of course gaming in 1080p will be a factor along with HTPC.

...or you are running a HTPC or scaler, which does a good job at upscaling 576/720 to 1080 lines.

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Just had a look in the manual and it states "Do not attempt to connect a PC or laptop graphics card to the HDMI port or a blank screen will result", so does that mean it's a no-go for HTPC or is this just a scare tactic but it will work anyway?

I think it means that in most cases a DVI to HDMI cable will not work. Your PC's video card must support HDCP, here are some examples: GeCube HDMI/HDCP Graphics Cards. If the HDMI input to the TV does not support HDCP you will get a blank screen.

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Tim, the VGA connection already supports 1:1, so you're right, it should look good!

River, regardless of what the manual says, a standard DVI out graphics card using a DVI-HDMI cable will work, you just won't get 1:1 without the firmware patch.

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Tim, the VGA connection already supports 1:1, so you're right, it should look good!

River, regardless of what the manual says, a standard DVI out graphics card using a DVI-HDMI cable will work, you just won't get 1:1 without the firmware patch.

Confirming this is correct. i have chosen to connect my MacBook Pro with DVI-HDMI evenif i dont get

1:1 as the PQ is visibly better. Awaiting news on the firmware. Anyone ? :D

I have now to compare the XBOX360 connection via Component with VGA. Seems very unclear about

which is best after reading the other forums, best to try out and will get back with that here as soon

as I pick up the cable :blink:

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This is a quote from avforums.com.

You will also need the "Justscan" firmware update. Else when your at 1920 x 1080 your screen will overspill... you then just need to select "Justscan" from the TV menu and it all fits a treat.. The only pain is when you reboot the PC you have to go in the menu again to switch "Justscan" back on again... Its ok if the PC goes into standby though!

If this is true, that really sucks, and will probably rule this tv out for me. I want to be able to just turn the tv on and have the 1:1 mapping remembered from last time. :blink:

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hey guys good news from Samsung Australia.. here is the email I got from Win:

Hi Scott,

Just to update about the firmware.

I get a call from my counterpart from HQ and they promise to send the firmware for Asia to me by this week.

So pls wait for a while.

Best Rgds,

Win

So, yay, good news.

OK, to the dude who wanted to know about the XBOX 360...

Component is brighter colours, but overscanned so you're missing a little picture from the edges, AND the whole image is slightly fuzzy due to the overscanning.

VGA is PERFECT 1:1 1920 x 1080 pixel mapped, but the colour is slightly less intense as Component.

The new XBOX 360 has HDMI however, so this may prove the best option in the future!

I might email Win about the problem with not remembering the just scan setting when you switch off.

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I might email Win about the problem with not remembering the just scan setting when you switch off.

Hmm if they were still developing this update, maybe it's possible that they could sneak that feature in for the LA model :blink:

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Hmm if they were still developing this update, maybe it's possible that they could sneak that feature in for the LA model :blink:

Can you ask them to enable PIP for component inputs while they are at it? :-/

Zilch.

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hey guys good news from Samsung Australia.. here is the email I got from Win:

So, yay, good news.

OK, to the dude who wanted to know about the XBOX 360...

Component is brighter colours, but overscanned so you're missing a little picture from the edges, AND the whole image is slightly fuzzy due to the overscanning.

VGA is PERFECT 1:1 1920 x 1080 pixel mapped, but the colour is slightly less intense as Component.

The new XBOX 360 has HDMI however, so this may prove the best option in the future!

I might email Win about the problem with not remembering the just scan setting when you switch off.

That is GOOD news ! please keep us posted. As i have just bought the 360 i cant really wait for

the new model, have tried to find a VGA cable, but cant seem to find anything , Any hints where :blink:

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VGA is PERFECT 1:1 1920 x 1080 pixel mapped, but the colour is slightly less intense as Component.

I can't see how you could get 1:1 pixel mapping with a VGA connection, as it's an analogue signal

Zilch.

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hey guys good news from Samsung Australia.. here is the email I got from Win:

So, yay, good news.

Thanks Scott for the good news. One more reason for me to buy one in the near future.

What price should I aim for when talking to the sales guy for the Samsung 46 Full HD TV? I am in Sydney.

Hi

I've graphics card GForce 7600 GS do you guys think it will support

1920 x 1080p with this TV Over VGA / HDMI?

7600 GS will output 1920x1080 via VGA connection to Samsung Full HD tv

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I can't see how you could get 1:1 pixel mapping with a VGA connection, as it's an analogue signal

Why not? PCs have been doing it for years. It's still a pretty clean signal. I've used Moire test patterns to try it out on mine and it's quite on-the-money.

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Why not? PCs have been doing it for years. It's still a pretty clean signal. I've used Moire test patterns to try it out on mine and it's quite on-the-money.

PC's haven't been doing it for years (AFAIK). The VGA connectors are analogue, so traditionally send the signal to an analogue CRT which maps the picture to whatever phospers happen to be in the right place.

When LCD monitors became common there was a digtal => analogue => digital conversion done which was kinda redundant. This is why DVI was invented... so you could send the signal to the monitor directly (and enable 1:1 pixel mapping).

I'm glad that the TV is close...I don't see how it can be true 1:1 over a VGA port though. (Haven't tried mine yet)

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Zilch.

I'm assuming it is too much to as for discrete remote codes for things such as power on/power off/aspect/source etc. Has anyone tried?

(I have no idea why companies such as Samsung don't spend a few hours adding such features. It can't exactly be hard, and is such a desirablefeatures for a lot of people. New request for the firmware?)

Zilch.

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EDIT: Just had a look in the manual and it states "Do not attempt to connect a PC or laptop graphics card to the HDMI port or a blank screen will result", so does that mean it's a no-go for HTPC or is this just a scare tactic but it will work anyway?

I've ha my 40" for a few weeks now.

Using VGA from the HTPC is fine, though I have a HDCP enabled video card on the way, hopefully that will allow me to use HDMI :-?

I've got about 20 H264 1080p films now and they truly are amazing.

Despite the amazing PQ for the "real" HD stuff, if you only ever watch normal FTA or dvd's, then you really don't nee this tv, dvd's actually look rather .... shitty?

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PC's haven't been doing it for years (AFAIK). The VGA connectors are analogue, so traditionally send the signal to an analogue CRT which maps the picture to whatever phospers happen to be in the right place.

When LCD monitors became common there was a digtal => analogue => digital conversion done which was kinda redundant. This is why DVI was invented... so you could send the signal to the monitor directly (and enable 1:1 pixel mapping).

I'm glad that the TV is close...I don't see how it can be true 1:1 over a VGA port though. (Haven't tried mine yet)

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Zilch.

I'm assuming it is too much to as for discrete remote codes for things such as power on/power off/aspect/source etc. Has anyone tried?

(I have no idea why companies such as Samsung don't spend a few hours adding such features. It can't exactly be hard, and is such a desirablefeatures for a lot of people. New request for the firmware?)

Zilch.

I was just referring to LCDs here, apples to apples :blink:

I don't claim that VGA is perfect, but it is currently (by far, in my opinion) the best input on these sets until we get the justscan thing for HDMI. I highly recommend that you try out the VGA port even if you don't plan on using it.

The best test of all this that I've seen is a 1080p test video that I got from somewhere on AVSForum. The difference between what VGA is doing compared to both component and HDMI is like night and day. When it is displaying the bits that are "one black row, one white row, one black row" and so on, it is doing it pretty convincingly. Maybe the colours aren't absolutely correct, but there is certainly no moire effect so it's close enough to 1:1 for me :D . I don't have the URL for the video on me, but I can look later if anyone is interested.

Also as far as I know, Samsung usually does have discrete remote codes for that stuff. I downloaded a list of codes for the LE model, but haven't had a chance to see if they work yet.

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I was just referring to LCDs here, apples to apples :blink:

I don't claim that VGA is perfect, but it is currently (by far, in my opinion) the best input on these sets until we get the justscan thing for HDMI.

I'm not saying it isn't good - just that it isn't digital or 1:1.

Also as far as I know, Samsung usually does have discrete remote codes for that stuff. I downloaded a list of codes for the LE model, but haven't had a chance to see if they work yet.

Can you post them?

Thanks,

Zilch.

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Here's what I got. Let us know if they're any good :blink:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/bss/Samsung...0IR%20Codes.zip

Woooh! If those codes are right and work for our TV, they are really going to rock! There are discrete codes for most every thing you want! Power on/off for a start. Source changing and aspect ratio!

My harmony remote is going to love me!

I might see if I can try them over the weekend and report back.

Zilch.

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I'm not saying it isn't good - just that it isn't digital or 1:1.

Zilch- it is quite possible that an HDMI input will not be 1:1 mapping by the time you see it, as many sets have overscan built into the scaler circuitry that can't be bypassed for HDMI or DVI. You can have a PC putting out an analogue VGA signal with 1280 pixels horizontally, and 768 lines, and these pixels and lines will be grabbed by the display and each pixel in will be mapped to a pixel on the display. You can try this with your LCD computer monitor, try sending a video signal that is not exactly the resolution of the display and the right frequency, and you'll get a fuzzy picture.

Even a 2% overscan means that some input pixels map to 2 pixels on the display, and some map to none.

So, 1:1 is nothing to do with digital or analogue inputs, it is how the display treats the inputs. Even digital DVI or HDMI signals that are, say 768 lines, are mapped by many TVs internally to say 780 lines (in the process losing definition and making the picture fuzzy), and then the extra 12 lines are "trimmed off" so in reality you are seeing 756 lines upscaled to 768 lines within the TV (well approximately this anyway).

The less number of times something scales the picture the better, and analogue VGA might win out over digital if you can get your source to cleanly map to 1:1 instead of going via an overscan within the TV.

Digital input might be better for linearity, noise resistance, better range etc etc but VGA might win because you can map 1:1

http://pixelmapping.wikispaces.com/Pixel+mapping+explained

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Zilch- it is quite possible that an HDMI input will not be 1:1 mapping by the time you see it, as many sets have overscan built into the scaler circuitry that can't be bypassed for HDMI or DVI. You can have a PC putting out an analogue VGA signal with 1280 pixels horizontally, and 768 lines, and these pixels and lines will be grabbed by the display and each pixel in will be mapped to a pixel on the display. You can try this with your LCD computer monitor, try sending a video signal that is not exactly the resolution of the display and the right frequency, and you'll get a fuzzy picture.

Even a 2% overscan means that some input pixels map to 2 pixels on the display, and some map to none.

So, 1:1 is nothing to do with digital or analogue inputs, it is how the display treats the inputs. Even digital DVI or HDMI signals that are, say 768 lines, are mapped by many TVs internally to say 780 lines (in the process losing definition and making the picture fuzzy), and then the extra 12 lines are "trimmed off" so in reality you are seeing 756 lines upscaled to 768 lines within the TV (well approximately this anyway).

The less number of times something scales the picture the better, and analogue VGA might win out over digital if you can get your source to cleanly map to 1:1 instead of going via an overscan within the TV.

Digital input might be better for linearity, noise resistance, better range etc etc but VGA might win because you can map 1:1

http://pixelmapping.wikispaces.com/Pixel+mapping+explained

I don't disagree with anything you say here. I think we are both saying the same thing...

Edit: Like the link though.

Zilch.

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For anyone looking for the new Samsung LA46F71BX - I purchased one from JB Hi Fi at Bondi Junction for $4300 :blink: (dealing with Alastair). I think the marked price was about $4999. This was the best price I was able to get after a bit of shopping around.

They have the 40" ones marked at $3500 at the moment.

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For anyone looking for the new Samsung LA46F71BX - I purchased one from JB Hi Fi at Bondi Junction for $4300 :blink: (dealing with Alastair). I think the marked price was about $4999. This was the best price I was able to get after a bit of shopping around.

They have the 40" ones marked at $3500 at the moment.

Yeah - weird company. Prices seem to vary wildly between stores. Sometimes they will price match with other places, and sometimes not. It really depends who you get. (Guess it comes off their commission).

They guy at Hornsby wouldn't go below $3700 no matter what. Chatswood always seem egar to do a deal and would go much lower. I don't really have time to do price comparisons between different branches of the same store, so I prefer to get big ticket items elsewhere if I can. If they say "This is my best price" I would like to be able to believe it is pretty close to what I could get at their other stores.

If you do go with JB, try somewhere other than Hornsby would be my advice!

Zilch.

Woooh! If those codes are right and work for our TV, they are really going to rock! There are discrete codes for most every thing you want! Power on/off for a start. Source changing and aspect ratio!

My harmony remote is going to love me!

I might see if I can try them over the weekend and report back.

Zilch.

Ok, only tried the discrete off code so far, but it seems to work!

The only method I have of getting them into my Harmony Remote is painful enough though. Is anyone else using a Harmony with one of these TVs?

Zilch.

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For anyone looking for the new Samsung LA46F71BX - I purchased one from JB Hi Fi at Bondi Junction for $4300 :blink: (dealing with Alastair). I think the marked price was about $4999. This was the best price I was able to get after a bit of shopping around.

They have the 40" ones marked at $3500 at the moment.

great news. I was looking at the Samsung F at Bing Lee the other day and was very much impressed by the picture quality (they was playing blue ray disc). It looks very bright and vivid color under strong light environment. $4300 is much affordable than $4999 price tag. I hope the price can be more affordable when I buy it in a few weeks :D

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Ok,

After playing with my LA46F71BX for a while it's all pretty sweet, but here are my top gripes:

1) The lack of 1:1 pixel mapping. This doesn't bother me at the moment as I'm on component anyway, but just seems plain stupid. Hopefully Samsung will come to the party soon and release an Australia firmware upgrade, and it will retain it's settings after a power off. (Hopefully I will also get a serial cable soon to do the upgrade

2) No PIP on component. Can anyone think of a valid technical reason why they would have disabled this? Or is it worth griping to Samsung to see if they can add it into a future firmware upgrade?

3) The WISELINK thingo is almost useless. They don't bother displaying any pictures with the correct aspect ratio, so all the pictures I tried come out forced to 16:9 - ie squashed and unwatchable. ARGH! Reckon they could fix this in firmware too? I haven't bothered trying MP3s as I can't see why I would want to listen to them over the internal TV speakers when I have a real stereo system.

4) The remote sensor is way too low. I have a very small center speaker in front of the TV and it often blocks the signal from the included remote. Also the stand is a poor shape if you want to put something like a centre speaker on it :-(

5) I'm a big fan of detachable speakers so it's a bit annoying not only having to pay for them, but not being able to take them off. They are pretty unobtrusive though.

Everything else is good. Picture seems a bit dark, but I am getting used to that. Discrete remote codes are cool and a nice surprise. I'll be regetting it doesn't do remote codes over HDMI though in a few months I think :-(

Zilch.

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For anyone looking for the new Samsung LA46F71BX - I purchased one from JB Hi Fi at Bondi Junction for $4300 :blink: (dealing with Alastair). I think the marked price was about $4999. This was the best price I was able to get after a bit of shopping around.

They have the 40" ones marked at $3500 at the moment.

Hi Giggles

I'm going to buy this model next week Can you tell me exactly which JB HI FI Shop marked 3500 AUD.

Thanks

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Hi Giggles

I'm going to buy this model next week Can you tell me exactly which JB HI FI Shop marked 3500 AUD.

Thanks

Jitu,

JB Hi Fi at Bondi Junction had the 40" (LA40F71BX) marked down to $3500. You might be able to get them down below this, as $3500 was the display price. I would ask to speak to Alastair as he was good to deal with. The Bondi Junction store is located within the Westfield Shopping Centre, down the Myer end.

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Jitu,

JB Hi Fi at Bondi Junction had the 40" (LA40F71BX) marked down to $3500. You might be able to get them down below this, as $3500 was the display price. I would ask to speak to Alastair as he was good to deal with. The Bondi Junction store is located within the Westfield Shopping Centre, down the Myer end.

Hi all,

Got to this forum because I just bought 40" (LA40F71BX) from JB Hi Fi at Bondi Junction today. They dropped the sale price down to $3370 and I did the deal at $3150 including delivery. Was preferring the Bravia X 40" but the best price on that one is still $4000, which is a huge difference. Am interested in the discussion re the various connection discussion and firmware upgrades here. Good luch all.

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Hi all,

Got to this forum because I just bought 40" (LA40F71BX) from JB Hi Fi at Bondi Junction today. They dropped the sale price down to $3370 and I did the deal at $3150 including delivery. Was preferring the Bravia X 40" but the best price on that one is still $4000, which is a huge difference. Am interested in the discussion re the various connection discussion and firmware upgrades here. Good luch all.

Thanks all

Is this JB HI is in Sydney or Melbourne?

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