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Hey... on the front cover of the latest BigW catalogue they have on sale an Aiko 81cm LCD TV for 'special purchase' price of $998!

Listed;

* Quality LG-Philips widescreen panel

* Resolution: 1366 x 768 pixels

* Brightness: 500cd/m3

* Contrast: 1600:1 (dynamic)

* Response Time: 8ms (G/G)

* Viewing Angle: 178

* HDMI with HDCP support

* PC multi-media input

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* Contrast: 1600:1 (dynamic)

I wonder what the real (static) contrast ratio is ?

From the above article

Dynamic contrast ratio

It is also common to market only the dynamic contrast ratio capability of a display (when it is better than its static contrast ratio), which should not be directly compared to the static contrast ratio. A plasma display with a static 5000:1 contrast ratio will show superior contrast to an LCD display with 5000:1 dynamic and 1000:1 static contrast ratio when the input signal contains full range of brightnesses from 0 to 100% simultaneously. However they will be on par when input signal ranges only from 0 to 20% brightness.

When checking specs for LCD's that list a dynamic contrast ratio, they rarely list the static contrast ratio.

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Hey... on the front cover of the latest BigW catalogue they have on sale an Aiko 81cm LCD TV for 'special purchase' price of $998!

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I saw that in the catalogue. Very cheap. Has anyone see if they are ok. Might make a good second tv

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I've just come from my local BigW. I haven't got the catalogue, but I saw this thread and thought I'd have a look. They didn't have the 81cm model, but they did have a 68cm model for $898, and it looked pretty good to me, better than the other ~$1000 68cm LCD TVs I've been seeing lately. I might have bought it if it wasn't for this thread suggesting there might be a bigger model for only $100 more.

edit: I'm in Brisbane, the Big W's here might not have them?

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Since I'm at work, I am able to access the BigW FLASH site :^( so here is the cover - small version -- if you squint you can just make it out :^)

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the link to the newsletter; http://www.ecm7.com/cm/public/DisplayContent.aspx

Which Big W site are you getting that from? This is the only BigW catalog I catalogue I can find :S It ends today though, maybe you've found the new one?

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I've just come from my local BigW. I haven't got the catalogue, but I saw this thread and thought I'd have a look. They didn't have the 81cm model, but they did have a 68cm model for $898, and it looked pretty good to me, better than the other ~$1000 68cm LCD TVs I've been seeing lately. I might have bought it if it wasn't for this thread suggesting there might be a bigger model for only $100 more.

edit: I'm in Brisbane, the Big W's here might not have them?

I'm in Brisbane (northside) and I've got the Big W catalogue "Big Buys" right here in front of me with the $998 Aiko 81cm LCD TV on the Front Page. The Westfield Chermside Big W is meant to be opening today, so they might have stock of it...

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Hey... on the front cover of the latest BigW catalogue they have on sale an Aiko 81cm LCD TV for 'special purchase' price of $998!

Listed;

* Quality LG-Philips widescreen panel

* Resolution: 1366 x 768 pixels

* Brightness: 500cd/m3

* Contrast: 1600:1 (dynamic)

* Response Time: 8ms (G/G)

* Viewing Angle: 178

* HDMI with HDCP support

* PC multi-media input

LTW-32D

I have Been to BigDUB yesterday, then straight to JB Hifi to try and compare(they hve 10models in 32")

The picture in the AIKO after I reduced the colour and contrast looked really good

I want to go back and test the motion and the pixelation 'look and feel'

It has a VGA(PC) input and a HDMI as well as composite

I plan to take my laptop with a couple of DVDs today and connect and play via the TVout(AV) and VGA

Have looked for AIKO (made in korea) on the net - cant find it anywhere so far..

I plan to connect the panel 'that we do buy' to a Media centre

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I have Been to BigDUB yesterday, then straight to JB Hifi to try and compare(they hve 10models in 32")

The picture in the AIKO after I reduced the colour and contrast looked really good

I want to go back and test the motion and the pixelation 'look and feel'

It has a VGA(PC) input and a HDMI as well as composite

I plan to take my laptop with a couple of DVDs today and connect and play via the TVout(AV) and VGA

Have looked for AIKO (made in korea) on the net - cant find it anywhere so far..

I plan to connect the panel 'that we do buy' to a Media centre

Yeah keep us posted on how you go :blink:

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Have looked for AIKO (made in korea) on the net - cant find it anywhere so far..

Try this AIKO Website however it doesn't tell you anything. Aiko seems to be an old Japanese company, although the product is made in Korea.

I had a look at it today and bought one on the spot. The picture was just as good as the AWA next to it, but at 2/3 the price. They had some kids cartoon DVD playing and it looked OK, there was no obvious gross picture problems that I could see. There was some pixelation, which is to be expected when scaling 720x576 to 1366x768. Higher priced TVs may do a better job of smoothing. However it should be good with a HD STB or a media centre PC.

As long as there are no bright pixels on my unit I will be happy.

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Hi guys - I saw this yesterday too. And like others have said, I can't find any solid Aiko TV details on the web (and here I thought GOOGLE had the answer to everything).

I thought it was definately worth a check for under a grand, well the TV looks pretty good in person - the set I watched was plugged into a cheap DVD player, running over the composite standard cables to the TV (the crappiest connection) and was playing 'Over The Hedge'... the picture looked pretty good, and from my quick examination of the set, it had no 'stuck on' dead pixels, but it was hard to tell if it had any 'stuck off' pixels with the scenes in the DVD I was viewing (dark scenes) - again it could all be to do with luck!

The set says it's made in Korea, if this is even true - is anyones guess. Maybe the plastic housing is made in Korea yet the other components are made in China... Anyway it looks really decent for the price.

The stated 178degree viewing angle doesn't seem to be what it's cracked up to be. I noticed when viewing off axis even up to approx 45 degree (90 degree span) that the picture starts to look different, and starts changing colour slightly... definately not as bad as my old AWA 81cm LCD I bought from Big W nearly a year ago... but when I think 178 viewing angle, I expect to see the picture in the same colours/shade/brightness as I do when viewing it from directly in front.

They obviously use the term 'viewing angle' loosley on LCD TV's - all it means from my experience is that the picture on the TV can still be 'viewed' up to those extreme angles... there is no promise of picture integrity once you are off axis.

The response time of 8ms GTG could be pretty optimistic too, when watching high motion/contrast scenes from the DVD (albiet remember its not running via Component/Progressive) the picture did blur on some character edges, it wasn't that annoying - but if you look for it - it was there. The picture response is probably a little better than my old 81cm LCD, to my eyes anyhow.

The quoted 1200:1 dynamic contrast seems to be pretty good, the dark scenes seem to retain a fair amount of detail, which I would highly doubt my 600:1 contrast TV would be able to show.. these are all my observations for the short time I looked at the set... as for the how BLACK is the BLACK?... I don't know - in BigW they have bright fluro lights and it's always hard to tell...

Anyhow I thought for the price it's worth a shot, so I whipped out the credit card and bought one... I'm going to pick it up after work and play with it tonight.. first thing will be hooking my Xbox 360 up to it via VGA-DSUB... and I'm hoping it allows the native panel resolution of 1368x768 just like my old AWA LCD does...

If anyone wants I might take photos and do a short review of my experience with it and in relation to Xbox 360, will be my main focus...

I just hope it meets and exceeds my expectations... :blink:

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I had a look at it today and bought one on the spot. The picture was just as good as the AWA next to it, but at 2/3 the price. They had some kids cartoon DVD playing and it looked OK, there was no obvious gross picture problems that I could see. There was some pixelation, which is to be expected when scaling 720x576 to 1366x768.

Hiya JohnS119,

Would love to hear what resolutions it supports when you've had a chance to check it out further please. Looks like a great deal to me too. Really want to know if it will handle 480p at either 50/60Hz, and also 720p at 60hz.

Thanks

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Can this LCD be hooked up to the PC via DVI?

You can do it either by

purchase a DVI -> HDMI cbale Jaycar CAT. NO. WQ7406 RRP $39.95

High Quality HDMI, Digital Video Cable - HDMI to DVI Cable 3.0m

or

get a DVI -> VGA(PC dsub) adapter

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If anyone wants I might take photos and do a short review of my experience with it and in relation to Xbox 360, will be my main focus...

Hiya MeeSer,

Would love to hear a bit more about it, as I commented in the previous reply to JohnS119....and knowing how it runs with the 360 is definately of interest to me. :blink: MIght end up hooking it up via VGA to the 360 so I can use the component with the Wii if possible too. Am still in decision mode on what monitor to buy. Was almost heading towards either an LG or Samsung slim widescreen model, but have been hearing some problems with those on these boards. A cheap LCD might just be what i'm after right now.

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If anyone wants I might take photos and do a short review of my experience with it and in relation to Xbox 360, will be my main focus...

I just hope it meets and exceeds my expectations... :blink:

Yeah mate that'll be good. Looking forward to it :D

Btw, did the plastic casing look cheap or somewhat decent? Because in the BigW catalogue, the greyish colour makes it look quite bad.

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Yeah mate that'll be good. Looking forward to it :blink:

Btw, did the plastic casing look cheap or somewhat decent? Because in the BigW catalogue, the greyish colour makes it look quite bad.

The case looks about as bad as the come unfortunately - But I Wont be watching that!!

Very very non descript Matte Black/Grey

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Bought one of these today, just hooked it up to my computer to use my hdtv tuner card (via composite cables). It's going quite nicely :blink:

The picture is great, and considering the price, I'm very happy with it.

One flaw if that's what you want to call it (at least on mine) is that the backlight seems to 'bleed through' in the right hand side corners and a little bit at the bottom to the left of center. It's only really noticeable on dark scenes, and it doesn't bother me too much.

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i wonder if this is another rebadged and slightly altered version of that tv from over seas http://www.ktvcorp.com/jpn/busi/content.asp?goods_num=364

anyone know what the exact rear inputs and any side inputs the Aiko 81cm has ?

whats it like with fast moving pictures eg football, action movies, video games

Yes, that TV looks very similar to the aiko. The only external difference i can see is the aiko is all black, not grey/black like that one.

It has no side inputs, the inputs listed are all at the back. I can't comment on what its like for fast moving pictures, I haven't played around with it enough yet.

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i wonder if this is another rebadged and slightly altered version of that tv from over seas http://www.ktvcorp.com/jpn/busi/content.asp?goods_num=364

anyone know what the exact rear inputs and any side inputs the Aiko 81cm has ?

whats it like with fast moving pictures eg football, action movies, video games

Yes - Good Find - Thanks for the site

It looks Exactly like the one from KTV ((except all black (pity) now where's my spray kit?)

The Connections mentioned on the KTV Spec matchup with what I saw at bigW -no side inputs

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Yeah mate that'll be good. Looking forward to it :P

Btw, did the plastic casing look cheap or somewhat decent? Because in the BigW catalogue, the greyish colour makes it look quite bad.

I personally like it, but I wouldn't go as far as saying it looks as good as the Samsung's latest 'R' Series casings... mmm piano gloss black!... :D

Well I got the beast out last night and started fiddling with her, from what I can see I have 2 dead sub-pixels (stuck on) which you need to be nose pressed against the screen to even see, both are green.

I haven't had a chance to take any pics or anything yet... for obvious reasons... but I will this arvo.

A SHORT SUMMARY OF THE GOOD AND BAD

until I do a full blown review - or someone beats me to it!

=====================================

GOOD

====

* CHEAP!

$998 you can't beat it for a 81cm

* VERY bright picture!

There not kidding at 500 candles, whites are VERY white (Just watch the Halo 3 Trailer...)

* Xbox 360 supported up to 1360x768 via HD VGA cable

Supports all resolutions via VGA cable, but may need to be switched from input D-SUB to RGB HDTV

depending on the res. eg. 1360x768 is D-SUB... 1280x720 is RGB HDTV... etc

* Gold plated connections on Component etc.

* It's BLACK!

One of my requirements - I have Logitech 5400's

Basically it has reached my expectations on what I needed it for, but with some issues...see BAD

BAD

===

* Backlight uniformity

Not a major issue, only noticeable on a completely black frame eg. TV on and no input.

* Slight ghosting/stepping

Via HD VGA Xbox 360 cable, I noticed slight ghosting on high contrast edges on the dashboard etc.

This is only annoying if you are within 100-300mm from the screen, but in games wouldn't be an issue

* Blacks aren't black

Like most LCD's you never get a true BLACK, possibly due to the brightness of this screen the black isn't

as dark as it could be, but is definitely better than my old 81cm AWA LCD.

* Vertical banding/columns?

When sitting on a completely black frame, I can see like vertical columns all slightly differing in shades

of 'black', I sort of noticed the same thing on the demo model in BigW but thought it may have been

just the DVD upscaling on the screen. I will hook my laptop up to it tongiht and see if this 'banding'

is annoying on a static Windows XP screen (and also check out ghosting/stepping and any blurring)

It may be obvious that I have listed more bad's than good's... all I can say is I'm a REAL picky bugger. But as mentioned before the screen has reached my expectation, it may not have 'exceeded' them - but god what do you want for $998!!

I was playing my Xbox 360 high motion games like FULL AUTO, SONIC without any annoyance/distraction in regards to the TV's picture/response sitting approx 1.5 meters away.

Definintely go and check the AIKO out for yourself before you buy, and if you want them to hook it up to a 360 or your laptop, ask them!!... They are selling well here (Maryborough) I went in the morning of the Big W sale... there was a big pile of them 3 levels high... I went back in after work, and there was only 4 left on the bottom level - people obviously saw the value for money...

Anyway pictures/review will be forthcoming... I best get to working again! Doh

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I haven't tried mine out with anything other than the standard TV tuner and Foxtel via composite A/V, so far the picture looks pretty good. No bright or dark pixels, yeah!!! I can't make any critical comments about the picture quality until I hook up my computer and/or HD STB, as composite video is pretty blurry to start with. However I didn't notice any backlight non-uniformity but will look closer tonight. Ghosting could be cable or input related, analogue TV is too blurry for me to tell.

The manual states that the D-Sub connector will support 1280x768 and 1360x768, and lists the vertical/horizontal frequencies and dot clock needed for the display to automatically adjust the picture. Otherwise the OSD has manual image adjustment features.

The back of the unit has the following inputs (going from memory here):

  1. HDMI that supports HDCP (or DVI via adapter)
  2. SCART with A/V input and A/V monitor output (perfect for HDD DVD recorder)
  3. SCART with A/V input and RGB input (perfect for Foxtel)
  4. D-Sub and 3.5mm audio (for PC)
  5. S-Video + RCA video + 2xRCA audio
  6. Component 3xRCA + 2xRCA audio
  7. RF
  8. RS-232 via some sort of 3.5mm socket (now this could be interesting)

Also the SCART with RGB also has RF output. Not sure why you would want that, maybe some DVB STB can accept RF input over SCART and send back a picture via RGB so save on cables.

I have noticed the following negative/odd aspects:

  1. The 14:9 scaling mode doesn't maintain the picture aspect ratio as expected. Analogue 4:3 TV broadcasts sometimes transmit 14:9 which is noticable by small black borders top and bottom. Normally 14:9 should stretch the picture to remove the top/bottom borders and reduce the left/right borders. However on this TV it only stretches horizontally so the small top/bottom borders remain.
  2. The picture size setting (16:9, 4:3, 14:9, Zoom, Panarama) is a global setting. My previous WS-CRT had a unique setting for each video input so I could watch TV in 14:9 and when I switched to AV1/AV2 for Foxtel/DVD it automatically switched to 16:9, and 4:3 for VCR on AV3. However I think I can fix this in the Harmony remote. Apparently SCART defines a signal that sets picture size, and the Foxtel box controls this. It will be interesting to see if the TV honours this signal.
  3. Picture-in-Picture only works if the primary input is coming from HDMI, D-Sub, Component or RGB-HDTV. I have seen this limitation on other LCD TVs, including high priced ones.
  4. The OSD seems slow to respond to the button presses.
  5. Selecting the video input source is strange, they have devoted 3 buttons to it. The first button displays an OSD list which you scroll through and select. The second button (labeled PC) cycles between the D-Sub and the previously selected source. The third button (labeled Multi) cycles through only the inputs that support PiP. Let's see how I go getting the Harmony 880 remote working with that.
  6. The manual doesn't state what the RGB-HDTV input is. Every other input obviously matches a connector on the back.
  7. It thinks channel 2 is 3, 7 is 9, 9 is 11 and 10 is 13. That is common on PC tuner cards, there must be some numbering scheme for frequencies that doesn't match the actual channel numbers. You can move the channels to specific "tuner slots" so you can get channel 10 on number 10, but the OSD still displays C13.

P.S. The TV claims to be made in Korea. It claims to use an LG-Philips LCD panel and they have their plant in China, with a second recently constructed in Poland and a third being constructed in China. The other major LCD manufacturer is Samsung-Sony, I believe that the cheap AWA TV that Big-W had a few months ago was a Samsung-Sony panel. Pretty much every LCD TV will have a panel from one of these manufacturers, the only difference is in the driving electronics.

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Thanks for the updates everyone. I'm definately thinking about going with this. Won't get a chance to get one till after the weekend(gives me some more time to think, and read some more feedback hehe), so hopefully there are some left still. :blink:

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Someone asked about picture in picture - Yes, this TV has PIP. Unfortunately you can't use the component input as the sub-picture, it would've been nice to be able to be playing games with the ashes down in the bottom corner. I could use the analogue tuner for that I guess - looks like the sub-picture can be scart, s-video, video (the video/audio-L/audio-R that most game consoles use) and the analogue tuner. Can you get component -> scart cables? That might work.

edit: I was wrong about that, the problem was you can't use PIP when the primary input is analogue TV, scart, AV or s-video.

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thanks guys I really appreciate all the mini reviews and look forward to any updates

sounds good for the consoles which is mainly what i want the screen for and as long as it handles fast moving pictures with out smearing or leaving trails it sounds good to me, the older rear inputs scart etc is good for my old consoles /pvr aswell :blink:, I havent really taken much notice of the smaller 32 inch sets available and if there are any other brands better around the same price as I have mostly been shopping around for a 50 inch screen but have been dissapointed with quality and bloated price of larger sets, Im thinking of getting this TV as a stop gap until the better, bigger, higher resolution sets become more affordable and then id farm off this tv to the PC

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hi all. Been reading on here for a few weeks and was planning to get a samsung 40" but at $3k+ i was umming and arring! Then i saw this at $998 and i thought i'd go look at it.....coming from a AWA 66cm which i bought for $1500 a year and half ago this looks good enough for me now. Went in, looked at the model setup on analogue Tuner and was "ok". I thought "stuff it" paid for it, brought it home, plugged it in with SD STB, and perfect! :blink:

very happy for under a grand. Watching Soccer now on Foxtel now and its great. Watched Star Ward EpIII and couldnt fault it really except for blacks not being "black", but i'm used to that now.

Getting HD STB next week with HDMI so then i can really see how well it performs!

Overall though i'm happy.....should keep me happy for 6 months till our house is built and i can set up our home theatre.

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Watching Soccer now on Foxtel now and its great. Watched Star Ward EpIII and couldnt fault it really except for blacks not being "black", but i'm used to that now. very happy for under a grand.

Well so far no bad reviews on this set. Which for it's price is quite amazing. It's early days..yes, but still, I was expecting to see at least one of the 'i've got a dud' posts by this stage. I'm going to take that as a good sign. And from what i've read about BigW, if I do get a dud, at least it shouldn't be too hard to get an exchange on it.

Edited to add a question:

Can any owners please confirm that the dimensions are the same as the ones on this TV that boss351 linked to in this post?(807mmX643mmX243mm)

i wonder if this is another rebadged and slightly altered version of that tv from over seas http://www.ktvcorp.com/jpn/busi/content.asp?goods_num=364

If so they are a perfect fit for my corner unit. Some of the 32'ers out there don't fit and some do depending on their design.

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Well so far no bad reviews on this set. Which for it's price is quite amazing. It's early days..yes, but still, I was expecting to see at least one of the 'i've got a dud' posts by this stage. I'm going to take that as a good sign. And from what i've read about BigW, if I do get a dud, at least it shouldn't be too hard to get an exchange on it.

Edited to add a question:

Can any owners please confirm that the dimensions are the same as the ones on this TV that boss351 linked to in this post?(807mmX643mmX243mm)

If so they are a perfect fit for my corner unit. Some of the 32'ers out there don't fit and some do depending on their design.

Yes, those dimensions are right.

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hi all. Been reading on here for a few weeks and was planning to get a samsung 40" but at $3k+ i was umming and arring! Then i saw this at $998 and i thought i'd go look at it.....coming from a AWA 66cm which i bought for $1500 a year and half ago this looks good enough for me now. Went in, looked at the model setup on analogue Tuner and was "ok". I thought "stuff it" paid for it, brought it home, plugged it in with SD STB, and perfect! :blink:

very happy for under a grand. Watching Soccer now on Foxtel now and its great. Watched Star Ward EpIII and couldnt fault it really except for blacks not being "black", but i'm used to that now.

Getting HD STB next week with HDMI so then i can really see how well it performs!

Overall though i'm happy.....should keep me happy for 6 months till our house is built and i can set up our home theatre.

Good stuff! Cant wait to hear your review on one with the HD box!

I saw one today at Big W also - it looked really decent - on paper the specs are awesome - scart, VGA, hdmi, component, HD, 8ms...pity its only 12 months warranty. I nearly splurged but decided not to given I wouldnt have anywhere to put it for at least 1.5 months. I figure by then Ill wait till the sales and it might be a bit cheaper although at $998, ill still get one in Jan if theyh can be found. Great buying! My one complaint (could be due to the 2c DVD player running via composite also) was that it was a little dim - but hey....anyway, enjoy!

ps. they also had an AWA model for the same price/size but it was 16ms but with 3 year warranty. Not a good enough trade off imo...that said, if it was 8ms and 3 years I reckon I would have been forced over the line.

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Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone had tried the GameCube on this TV with standard composite (I know I know)? My little brother got one of these TV's and was playing with my GameCube on it, but it was so bright and looked washed out, and anytime the background was light you basically ended up with a completely white background so you couldn't see any details...

I'm not sure why it was happening and I couldn't seem to get a satisfying picture even after playing with the contrast/brightness settings for about 20 minutes..

His Xbox however looked fine through composite (well as good as it's going to through composite on an lcd) but the GameCube just produced a crazy poor image...

I haven't done heaps of testing but was just wondering if anyone else had come across somethign like this?

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sorry cant help with the gamecube as I dont have one of these tvs to compare, maybe he should invest in a $6-$10 scart cable for the cube from ebay, does sound very strange though why the cube game screen is so white and washed out and the xbox isnt

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well i did a bit more experimenting and it was actually the gamecube itself :blink: I never noticed that it had stuffed up as I've been using component ever since I bought a cable and had a component capable TV.

Ohwell, glad I worked out the issue though.

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