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Hello all,

Wondering if you could help;

I have an old (well 7 years) Pana CRT which is still working well,but the pictute sure looks small compared to whats on offer now.

Saw one of these the other day and it looked really good.

Byte-me ,I see you had CRT,how do you think the pictures compare between the Sony and the old CRTs

Cheers Hairy :blink:

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Hello all,

Wondering if you could help;

I have an old (well 7 years) Pana CRT which is still working well,but the pictute sure looks small compared to whats on offer now.

Saw one of these the other day and it looked really good.

Byte-me ,I see you had CRT,how do you think the pictures compare between the Sony and the old CRTs

Cheers Hairy :D

Hi Hairy

I still have not picked mine up however I was lucky enough to view the Sony and the upgraded model of my LG at the same place which was great as it gave us a better perspective as to just how much of an improvment there was to be had.

The environment at the store was very light so probably not the best viewing area but it was like comparing black & white to color and this was comparing it to the upgraded model of ours.

The difference watching a DVD on the 2 of them (with the same player) was extreme and that was hooked up with component so I have no idea if or how much difference HDMI will make.

Bearing in mind that only minor fine tuning would have been done in store but even like it was it was excellent so I am sure with some proper tuning and adjustments it would only get better.

Much better imaging and color seemed more natural and not forced, excellent blacks, all in all it was enough to sell us on it over many others in that price range.

We had a certain budget and this fell well under which was a bonus as even some of the makes slightly above, say up to about $2500 in different formats did not seem to have as good a picture so we could not justify spending the extra money to get little if any improvment.

Had the difference between our old LG and the Sony been marginal at best we may not have bought anything at all until next year but once you see what you are missing out on it is alot easier to let the moths out of your wallet. :blink:

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Sounds great,but I noticed someone said there only a few actual owners on the forum.

At this price,you would think they would be gobbled up.

Why do you think this is?

Is something wrong with them?

cheers

Hairy :blink:

There may be quite a few reasons why but I would be speculating.

A few guesses would be that people may have a larger budget so they are looking at TV's in the $3500 - $5000 price range and I must say that I did see a Panasonic that caught my eye but it was $5000 so way over my budget.

Personal preference as some swear by plasma, others LCD, others projection it is at the end of the day personal choice after all and you buy the best thing for you in your price range.

Some people just flat out hate Sony. My mate hates them with a passion and even if the TV was $100 he would not buy it, but me I don't care either way, make, model whatever is best at the time in my opinion is the one I will buy.

Just a few guesses. :D

Certainly do not go and buy one cause I have given it a thumbs up, as this is just my personal opinion.

Have a look at one and see for yourself and you may or may not like it.

You may love the plasma or LCD sitting right beside it but for the dollars it is certainly in my opinion worth a viewing.

Just buy the one that rocks your boat!

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Wierd-so theres no good reason at all -sounds like some sort of price snobbishness.

Some people think unless you spend a fortune-the product must be RS

I saw one and I reckon they looked tremendous-especially compared all the other similar price crap as sold at Woolies and KMart etc.

Must go and have anothet squizzie

cheers and thanks

hairy

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Got lots of junk mail today...must be getting close to Dec 25th then.

Front page of the Target catalog is the 42" for $200 less than the Sony RRP. Interest free deals are available through GE, so taking the cost of that into account I would think a cash price some $350 less than Sony RRP could be negotiable?

I think the fact they are on sale at Target pretty well illustrates the 'target' market for this product...people shopping on price...after something affordable and cheerful. Maybe that's why the members of this forum aren't falling over themselves to buy one...wrong demographic in general?

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As I said I am not sure why the TV is what I consider to a be a great price considering I viewed it against other TV's well above it's price point and in my opinion it came out on top.

One possible reason is they may be trying to recoup some of their lost 500 odd million loss from the battery fiasco, as in general Sony prices have always been that little bit above the rest but of late they have been priced competitively and in the case of the 3lcd below.

Just speculation of course.

Had I known that Target was selling them I could have been the first person ever on a audio/visual enthusiast forum to say I bought my TV from Target :blink:

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One possible reason is they may be trying to recoup some of their lost 500 odd million loss from the battery fiasco, as in general Sony prices have always been that little bit above the rest but of late they have been priced competitively and in the case of the 3lcd below.

Just speculation of course.

Hmmm....how about some more speculation then? Maybe the presence of the SXRD sets at the top end has allowed Sony to push the 3LCD sets downmarket. Their RPs now span a price range of $2,000 to $7,000 or so. For sure they are chasing volume with the 3LCD sets.

I agree that the 3LCD value is outstanding if the build quality expected in a Sony is indeed present. I can't imagine a (hypothetical) Sony 42" LCOS being less than $3,500, which would mean there would be a large margin to pay for theoretically better black levels, contrast and response time.

I'd better get the missus down to Target for a look at the set. Then maybe I can change my username to bullseye-buyer lol.

The Sony 3LCD is a good unit.

Know one needs to be apologetic about purchasing one.

Cheers Owen

I agree, quality and value speak for themselves.

My impression of many of the forum members is that they demand and can afford the best - apart from me, obviously. So they don't buy value sets simply because they don't need to. The rest of us can be pleased that quality can now be purchased for a fraction of its historical price.

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I agree, quality and value speak for themselves.

My impression of many of the forum members is that they demand and can afford the best - apart from me, obviously. So they don't buy value sets simply because they don't need to. The rest of us can be pleased that quality can now be purchased for a fraction of its historical price.

Each of us has different requirements and different budgets but for me the TV was always the thing that was just a bit too expensive to compliment my humble HT setup.

We do not have a big room nor a dedicated room for the setup and we are just about to start some renovations as well so quality on a buget was our main aim and the Sony was the thing we had been waiting for , a decent 42" with good PQ under $2000.

All up our setup would be worth about $5000 which includes the TV (bargain hunters that we are) and we have allocated another $600 or so for some decent cabling and interconnects just to finish the package off.

It is by no means a cheap crappy setup but it would pale in comparison to most of the setups from other guys on here but for us it is just the ticket as the other things we wish to do take preference.

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No need to spend $600 on cables mate, $30-$40 is plenty

Any more and you are pissing money up the wall. :blink:

You can make very good quality cables with some cheap connectors from JCar and some decent quad shield RG6 cable for stuff all.

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BlueJ, You're back after starting the thread!

My thinking about the 3LCD pricing is that Sony have finally woken up to the fact that they are missing out completely on the huge budget market and they have deliberately value- costed the current range to sell,but not many people seem to be taking advantage of it.

The previous 42" for example sold for $1000 more than the current one.

Having them on sale at Target obviously means their new strategy is to attract the budget customers.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the quality,either the PQ or build.

For example,apart from our Hitachi having a metal chassis,our Sony at half the price otherwise is better in almost every way.

After extensive viewing,I also felt it was generally at least the equal of almost everything I saw in the stores,mostly better.

The brightness of this range is a revelation and the PQ on good feed,like the Channel 10 High Definition demo,is amazingly lifelike.

I think one of the reasons they arent taking off locally is that most people feel there must be something wrong with them at this price level.

They just sound too cheap.As Hairy pointed out,there is a reverse price snobbishness at work.

You are correct,the current selling price for example,for the 42", after haggling,should be around $1600 to $1650,no more .Sony Central have them at $1799 before haggling.If you cant get the price-go toThe Electric Discounter-they are very keen.However these prices would be without finance.

An absolute screaming bargain..

byte-me

as Owen said about the cables-also dont forget the scart to component cable with the box set to YUV,if you have Foxtel, to get an SD picture

This mob are even cheaper than Jaycar-have been recommended by other forum members.

http://stores.ebay.com/Selby-Acoustics

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No need to spend $600 on cables mate, $30-$40 is plenty

Any more and you are pissing money up the wall. :blink:

You can make very good quality cables with some cheap connectors from JCar and some decent quad shield RG6 cable for stuff all.

as Owen said about the cables-also dont forget the scart to component cable with the box set to YUV,if you have Foxtel, to get an SD picture

This mob are even cheaper than Jaycar-have been recommended by other forum members.

http://stores.ebay.com/Selby-Acoustics

Cheers Guys

I know I can get cheaper cabling but I would prefer to buy something half decent just incase I do upgrade at some point then i don't have to buy the cables again.

I don't have pay TV so that won't be an issue.

I have bought stuff off Selby Acoustics before and they are not too bad but this time I was thinking of buying from Greg at Home Theatre Custom Cables

He has had many recommendations from various channels including here and his prices are quite reasonable.

Also I am hoping not to spend the whole $600 but that is just our budget. :D

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Do it your self cables made from decent RG6 quad shield antenna cable are going to be at least as good if not better then anything you can by at any price.

Spending big money on cables is a dead set waste.

Put the extra $600 to good use and buy a better display or a better quality STB, PVR or DVD player where it will actually make a differance

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I had a look at the 42" at the closest Target this evening.

At first, I wondered why the picture was so dim. Then I realised it was sitting 10cm off the floor - they put all the larger TVs on the bottom row apparently. I guess OHS rules forbid lifting heavy TVs more than 10cm or something. It looked pretty dim from head height when standing close!

So once I got down on my knees (ouch) I suddenly noticed a bright, vibrant and yet high contrast picture. The content was the Cars DVD so no very dark scenes, but the picture on the 3LCD was noticeably better than the $2300 42" plasma and the $1900 37" LCD on either side. Better detail in the darker scenes, more 'lifelike' colour (can I say that about an animation?) and, crucially, a sharper picture. The plasma was horrible by comparison - a very soft picture lacking detail and over-the-top colours.

Overall it did a good job upscaling the SD DVD. The only negative was two darkish vertical lines near the middle of the screen, which did look like interference on a baseband distribution system. It didn't show up on either the plasma or the LCD next to it though.

I'd still like to check out performance on fast motion (although the set owners have said it isn't an issue) and also how it goes with dark scenes in something like ROTK (although the set owners have said that isn't an issue either). But I was pretty pleased. No doubt these sets have a better picture than anything else anywhere near the price.

BlueJ, You're back after starting the thread!

Thanks Miki

I've frequently read all the new posts in this thread. I was going to jump in on the lamp topic, but thought better of it. Suffice to say the illumination system is the weakest point in any current microdisplay-based TV, but having seen the quality of the picture, lamp concerns wouldn't stop me buying one.

I had better stop, I am starting to sound like a cheerleader and I don't own one! I can understand why those who have bought one are rather pleased.

One crucial question for the owners: are you now picking up the flaws in broadcast material and is it annoying you? If so are you getting used to it?

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I had a look at the 42" at the closest Target this evening.

One crucial question for the owners: are you now picking up the flaws in broadcast material and is it annoying you? If so are you getting used to it?

As I think there are only two owners on the forum and it looks likeTreble is absent,I will answer that really the flaws dont seem magnified at all,even poor quality material is watchable and it looks just that, usuallyas being old material.

I would say the quality is the same as CRT as regards flaw detection.

I watch FTA using a STB-quality excellent most of the time,HD stunning-and Foxtel .

Here its important to use a scart to component cable,resulting in SD and the quality is also quite surprising.

For example,I just watched a Lifestyle channel show about some poor bugger taking about three years and various nervies,to build his own house.

ThePQ was almost HD.

You picked the only flaw of the viewing angle,which is directly standing above -otherwise no problems at all.

I have no motion blur and the blacks and the resultant mixes seem pretty good as least as good as our Hitachi LCD

Star Trek looks great and thats all black!

bestest

miki :blink:

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The 55" is tempting me at only $2999. Compared to the price of 50" plasmas, it seems like a bargain.

What price could the 55" be bargained down to?

The Sony official retail price is as you say- $2999.

Sony central list them at $2799 before haggling.

I would say you should achieve around the $2500-2600 figure,judging by my own and byte-me's buying price percentages,that is unless the margins are different for that size which I would guess is unlikely.

I would be very surprised if you achieved a 25% reduction

Happy buying :blink:

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The 55" is tempting me at only $2999. Compared to the price of 50" plasmas, it seems like a bargain.

What price could the 55" be bargained down to?

While I was in haggling mode I played the game with my friendly retravision salesman and could have bought the 55" $2590 with the extended warranty.

The TV was way too big for our room but I was interested to see how far I could haggle him down. :blink:

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While I was in haggling mode I played the game with my friendly retravision salesman and could have bought the 55" $2590 with the extended warranty.

The TV was way too big for our room but I was interested to see how far I could haggle him down. :blink:

Wow!-therefore on that basis the current discounted prices for the range without warranty should be around;

42"-$1600 approx.

50" -$2000approx

55" $2400 approx

All possibly plus a smallish amount

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So basically those 8000 hours of the lamp life equate to 333 days :blink:

And did I hear correctly that the lamp is not covered under warranty?

I was thinking about this set until I used the calculator.

Yeah I guess if you watch the TV 24 hours a day 7 days a week it may only last a year.

However it may actually last longer as part of the stress the lamps have is being turned on and off so maybe just left on they may last longer than that.

Average viewing is between 6 - 8 hrs a day which works out roughly 2 1/2 years.

Our average is about 4 - 5 hrs a day so we may actually get 4 - 5 years out of a lamp.

I have not owned the TV for that long so I cannot give you a lamp life at this stage.

Come and ask me again in 2 years. :D

Cheapest price I have had on the lamps locally without really trying was $329 so if thats all I have to spend every 2 or so years that will be OK by me.

No the lamps are not covered under warranty as they are considered a consumable however I was told if the lamp dies within the first 6 months they will replace it for free and consider it transit damage but you may get different mileage from your salesman, it just depends how nice you are to them. :P

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In terms of total running costs it is necessary to include power consumption as well.

For the 3LCD it's 195W, 52" X series LCD 330W, Pana 50" plasma 457W.

After 6000 hours of use the 3LCD will consume 1170KW, 52" X series LCD 1980KW, 50" plasma 2742KW.

At 15c/KW this equates to running costs of;

3LCD: $ 175.50

52" X: $ 297.00

50" plasma: $411.00

If the bulb lasts 6000 hours and the bulb price is $325, then the total running costs of the 3LCD is $505.50.

If the bulb price was less than $235.50, then the overall running costs of the 3LCD would be less than the above 50" plasma (assuming the bulb lasts 6000 hours).

Reasonably priced bulbs could well prove a good marketing strategy. :blink:

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Maybe some people would be happier if the lamps lasted 4 times as long and the price of the set was $1000 more, or 8 times as long and it cost $2000 more. :blink:

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Sony quote that the lamps have a life of up to 8000 hours,which equates to around 6 years of use,assuming 4.5 hours of operation per day.

Judging by overseas forum where 3LCD sets are very popular,these lamps are reliable and I couldnt find any mention of them breaking down prematurely.

It seems the same applies to SXRD. and Sony projectors.

It is unlikely a lamp would be needed for many years,but now they sell locally around $300 discounted ,$250 from Japan,

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-XL-2400-Lamp-for-...3QQcmdZViewItem

or even less from the States,all genuine articles.

In 6 years time they will cost about the same as a Woolies homebrand 75 watt bulb :P

The advantage of user replaceable parts

when this lamp dims or goes out,you replace it yourself and you carry on with a big smile :D

If the backlight or brightness dims in a LCD or Plasma set ,you are in for big,big expenses and in the hands of the repair shop and you feel all dejected and sad :blink:

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Maybe some people would be happier if the lamps lasted 4 times as long and the price of the set was $1000 more, or 8 times as long and it cost $2000 more. :D

When the price of the lamp is high, that equates to going through less lamps before reaching the break even point with other technologies such as LCD and plasma. Someone considering purchasing a rear pro is likely to consider: What is the total cost if I go through 2 or 3 or 4 or more lamps over the expected lifetime of the unit and then compare that to the equivelent LCD or plasma. Also, electricity is a constant ongoing cost that is much less obvious and much less likely to be taken into account by the average consumer.

Some may well conclude that it is better to pay more up front and not worry about the cost and inconvenience of replacing lamps in the future.

In 6 years time they will cost about the same as a Woolies homebrand 75 watt bulb :P

I doubt that very much.

You would not get very far negotiating a lower price for the lamp from Sony on the basis that it is comparable with a Woolies homebrand 75 watt bulb, now or in 6 years time. :blink:

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Didnt realise the big day had been and gone,thought you were still waiting :blink: -owzit goin? :D

The big day has not been yet so that's what I mean have not owned one that long hehe.

Paid for and own it just have not recieved it yet.

Retravision rang this afternoon and said it will be delivered Monday arvo so just a few more bits and pieces and I will get it all setup....cannot wait.

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When the price of the lamp is high, that equates to going through less lamps before reaching the break even point with other technologies such as LCD and plasma. Someone considering purchasing a rear pro is likely to consider: What is the total cost if I go through 2 or 3 or 4 or more lamps over the expected lifetime of the unit and then compare that to the equivelent LCD or plasma. Also, electricity is a constant ongoing cost that is much less obvious and much less likely to be taken into account by the average consumer.

Some may well conclude that it is better to pay more up front and not worry about the cost and inconvenience of replacing lamps in the future.

I doubt that very much.

You would not get very far negotiating a lower price for the lamp from Sony on the basis that it is comparable with a Woolies homebrand 75 watt bulb, now or in 6 years time. :blink:

No offence,but you are pulling our legs arent you-this would have to be the wierdest thing i have ever read-are you felling OK

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The big day has not been yet so that's what I mean have not owned one that long hehe.

Paid for and own it just have not recieved it yet.

Retravision rang this afternoon and said it will be delivered Monday arvo so just a few more bits and pieces and I will get it all setup....cannot wait.

The best part is, as everything,in the waiting.-well actually viewing is even better :blink:

They must be selling well in view of the delay.

I ordered mine a day after release and got it the next day'

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The best part is, as everything,in the waiting.-well actually viewing is even better :D

They must be selling well in view of the delay.

I ordered mine a day after release and got it the next day'

I must admit if I had everything else here and was just waiting for the TV I would be a bit excited but it will probably sit in it's box for a week or so till the rest of the bits arrive so I will just wait patiently.

My H/K amp sat in it's box for about 8 weeks waiting for different things so waiting a bit longer won't hurt me. :blink:

Apparently it came from Sydney as they are having trouble keeping stocks in Queensland so the stores that have them are OK but once they run out there might be a slight wait.

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As I think there are only two owners on the forum and it looks likeTreble is absent,I will answer that really the flaws dont seem magnified at all,even poor quality material is watchable and it looks just that, usuallyas being old material.

I've had mine for almost a year now, and am very happy with it, I thought it was a bargain then when compared to other displays of the same size, now it's a steal. As others have pointed out, the viewing angle can be a downside depending where you inted to put it, for me it's not proved to be a problem at all. As someone else posted earlier, head over to AVForums and ask around there, lot's a of very happy owners who've had the sets for much longer than us.

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I've had mine for almost a year now, and am very happy with it, I thought it was a bargain then when compared to other displays of the same size, now it's a steal. As others have pointed out, the viewing angle can be a downside depending on your inted use, for me it's not proved to be a problem at all. As someone else posted earlier, head over to AVForums and ask around there, lot's a of very happy owners who've had the sets for much longer then us.
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:blink: At Last-another lucky owner :D

Is yours the Grand Wega as the current models only came out a few weeks ago-but I believe they are substantially similar,except yours has 2 HDMI-is this correct.

The only two things I dont like are the remote and the sound on speech can be a bit indistinct-what are your thoughts.

Do you have any special settings?I have found that they seem fairly setting tolerant

bestest miki

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When the price of the lamp is high, that equates to going through less lamps before reaching the break even point with other technologies such as LCD and plasma. Someone considering purchasing a rear pro is likely to consider: What is the total cost if I go through 2 or 3 or 4 or more lamps over the expected lifetime of the unit and then compare that to the equivelent LCD or plasma. Also, electricity is a constant ongoing cost that is much less obvious and much less likely to be taken into account by the average consumer.

You should also factor in the on going interest cost of a display costing $1k or $2k more for similar quality and size, if long term cost is your concern. :blink:

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