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The ultra high pressure lamps are high tech devices.

I agree with your point, but inkjet cartridges are also high tech devices. HP has spent billions of US dollars on inkjet cartridge R&D since they invented thermal inkjet printing in 1979. Computer users worldwide spend US $22 billion a year on ink cartridges. It's not surprising that printing supplies are the main source of income for HP.

Lets look at Philips, one of the biggest Ultra-High Performance (UHP) lamp manufacturers for projectors (RPTV included). Philips is renown for making TV for a long time, ironically they have abandoned their RPTV line and concentrated on UHP lamps. It's amazing how UHP lamps can be very much profitable to Philips than selling actual RPTV!

My point again: RPTV lamps are like inkjet cartridges.

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Not everyone who buys a big screen TV is worried about cost.

Some of us want the best picture we can get, bugger the cost.

For those of use who want a BIG screen, there are not many options.

Obviously you don’t aspire to own such a thing. :blink:

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I agree with your point, but inkjet cartridges are also high tech devices. HP has spent billions of US dollars on inkjet cartridge R&D since they invented thermal inkjet printing in 1979. Computer users worldwide spend US $22 billion a year on ink cartridges. It's not surprising that printing supplies are the main source of income for HP.

Lets look at Philips, one of the biggest Ultra-High Performance (UHP) lamp manufacturers for projectors (RPTV included). Philips is renown for making TV for a long time, ironically they have abandoned their RPTV line and concentrated on UHP lamps. It's amazing how UHP lamps can be very much profitable to Philips than selling actual RPTV!

My point again: RPTV lamps are like inkjet cartridges.

The Philips group dates back to 1891. In my own lifetime, it has been synonymous with a range of electronic goods, and has been a major manufacturer of electric lamps.

Ought it manufacture both RPTVs and UHP lamps for RPTVs? Both are risky enterprises. Demand could dry up. What is worse, they are not diversified risks.

If Philips had to choose one activity over the other, where would it have more to offer? In the theoretical field of research into lamp technology, where it has specialised for years, followed by manufacturing the lamps; or in the applied field of designing and assembling RPTV sets, a field shared by other international firms? The answer is the former. And that is exactly what the Philips group appears to have done.

It is theoretically possible that the UHP lamp could become for Philips what the printer cartridge became for HP, but such an outcome would be some years into the future, at least.

I suspect that before that time is ever reached, television screen technology will have taken quite a different turn.

And there I think I must end my Christmas pontifications. A good night to anyone still up at this hour. :-)

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That's interesting, TVs that cost several thousand dollars only have 3-5 years lifespan? Where do you get your facts from?

:blink:

True, the lifespan is longer than 3-5 years. Facts? From my anticipated usage of the item. Before I sell/trade it.

When I get a new car worth several thousand dollars I don't want/need to know that it may have a lifespan of 20-30 years, or that it might need a new head gasket after 12 years. All I want is to be able to trade it in four years later for the next model. I do know, however that I will have to get some brake pads and tyres in that period.

Though I don't upgrade my fridge that regularly as there are only so many ways to cool a beer, the Home Theatre industry (and their marketeers) have found plausible upgrade paths: VHS -> DVD -> BluRay/HD-DVD -> ?, or with displays analogue -> SD -> HD -> ?, etc.

So while Moore's Law (for PC's) at 18 months is a bit much, to me an equivalent of Moore's Law for Home Entertainment now seems to be 3-5 years.

But onto other matters...

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... I found an old calibration DVD today that I must have got around the year 2000 - 'Ultimate DVD Platinum'.

While it could do audio stuff pretty well it showed its age in the vision category.

I was able to adjust Picture (Contrast) easily.

The Brightness adjustment involved making two different grey scale bars disappear off screen. Since there are other factors that can affect this Brightness adjustment like what setting the Black Corrector is at, the permutations became daunting.

Sharpness was very difficult as it involved adjusting a white line grid of about 100x50 squares until it was crisp and adjusting until it just became fuzzy. The 3LCD didn't like it as every few steps it doubled the size of the grid for a second before correcting. Made it hard to judge when the transition from crisp to fuzzy began.

I read in another thread a few weeks ago that a HD version of 'Digital Video Essentials' is imminent. I checked on Amazon UK (to get a PAL not NTSC version) and it was mid-January for £7.50 (<$20).

Does anyone know much about HD DVE and its use in calibrating something like the 3LCD or SXRD? There seem to be so many options and some of them interconnected that I am in doubt about its utility. Iris, Color Temperature, Black Corrector, Gamma, Clear White, Live Colour. All on top of traditional Colour, Brightness, Contrast.

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Kick ass price man, congrats. And I agree about the 5 year statement. I got my 50 inch, but in 5 years I know I will want the latest and greatest. 1080p will be well entrenched, or a higher format will be out. This TV will either be sold or given to family without such a thirst for crystal clear hi-def TV. Even at $400 every 2 years for bulbs its still a bargain as it makes my 50" not even cost $3000 all up. After 5 years thats 600 per year, or $1.60 per day for the total cost of ownership (less power consumption, which LCD and plasma both use power too!). I could go a plasma at $5000 for same picture quality and size, or $7000+ for an LCD of similar performance. But I will stick to the $1850 odd for the 50" Bravia thanks.

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Im just getting used to the sheer size of this beast, and it really is quite ridiculous how good it looks compared to my old 28" crt (8yrs old).

Xbox360 plays exponentially better than I could have imagined, and it also does an excellent job of upscaling dvds to 720p.

Just some corrections to the list of connections on sonys website:

There is only ONE svideo port, not that this matters much,

and there is also a VGA port.

However the manual seemed to say that any res higher than 800x600 would be downconverted?

Im not really sure why it would do that. Anyone got any ideas? Im just wondering if i can get away with using the vga instead of dvi-hdmi cable.

Anyway, EXCELLENT tv would recommend in an instant, unbeatable price/size ratio and I am very pleased with it.

-Samwise

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Got my Bravia today...Wow..extremly impressed.

Looks spetacular through my HTPC with the VGA port.

Setting up Powerstrip to yield 1:1 Pixel Mapping

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=670840

hardwarezone

http://forums.hardwarezone.com/printthread...age=3&pp=15

The Official Sony E2000 series Thread

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/printthread...ge=29&pp=30

what res you doing through the vga? 1280x720? I tried this with my xbox and it showed a widescreen res but it had black borders and it said unsupported. also the manual mentions anything above svga being scaled down eg xvga and wvga

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Iam using 1224x688 by Setting up Powerstrip to yield 1:1 Pixel Mapping that I got from following this thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=670840

Make sure you are using "zoom" mode and not "full 1" or "full 2".

This res is the only one I could get to work.

It runs everything without board, everything besides from most of my PC games, which have boarders and can only be set to 1280x720, so maybe there is a way to fix this.

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Does any one know what mode this panel is in when using the vga ?

It only comes up as a sony panel in the display propertys

Is it 720p ?

Does the PQ when watching, DVDs/HD TV look better/worse then when going through HDMI or component ?

I cant tell the difference.

has anyone been able to run this with 1:1 Pixel Mapping through HDMI or component ?

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When in VGA if i press the menu button it shows the res on the menu screen, if i run my xbox in 1280x720 over vga it says 'unsupported resolution' but if i change it to 1280x768 it works fine and shows this in the menu (basically 720p)

Anything will look better going through hdmi as it is a purely digital signal whereas component is digital->analogue->digital BUT they wont look any different if your source material is no good to begin with. The main differences will show up on 1080i/p material.

And afaik my 360 is 1:1 mapping doing 720p via component.

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Has anyone seen any January specials on these TV's in Sydney?

Had a brief look around today, the 42inch is available at Bing Lee Alexandria for $1680 and the 50 inch for 2199 at DSE Moore Park.

Nothing bundled, didn't ask.

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50" for $2150 and 42" for $1700 at Bing lee Marrickville - when I mentioned it was the same pricing as Sony Central, he said he could do better when I was ready to buy. They don't have them on display there though.

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OK, I'm kinda new to the digital display thingies, but I'm using a Cypress CHDMI31 3to1 HDMI switch box, and it works fine on the HDMI devices (LG LST5403P and Sony DVP-NS76H DVD), but with my Mediagate MG350HD using a DVI to HDMI cable, it only shows video on my Sony KFE42-200E TV when I first power the MG350HD on, if switch to another inoput and back, I get no video, if I power cycle the MG350HD I get video again, it does the same with my Snazio 1300 upscaling DVD/NMP via DVI, is it a problem because I'm using the DVI output, I thought the DVI and HDMI were compatible??? Also, from what I have seen searching on the web, the Gefen, Kordz and other HDMI 3to1 switches all look the same as the Cypress one, so I'm reluctant to spend more money on another switch, as I don't think its the problem. Also, I have swapped HDMI cables, DVI-HDMI cables and input ports, all have the same problem... :blink:

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Could anyone please confirm the actual 'base' dimensions of width 907mm x depth 442mm for the KF55200A?

Also. how strong is the base as I am conerned I may need to overhang about 50mm on each side of the base over top of my entertainment unit? :blink:

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Viewing a pdf from the US Sony site it appears that the base of the 55 inch unit is about 2foot 6.75 inches wide directly under the speakers?

Is this correct?

Thanks in advance! :blink:

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Has anyone seen any January specials on these TV's in Sydney?

Had a brief look around today, the 42inch is available at Bing Lee Alexandria for $1680 and the 50 inch for 2199 at DSE Moore Park.

Nothing bundled, didn't ask.

$1999 for the 50" at Retravision in Kew, Melbourne - thats a sticker price!

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33inch/84cm (2 foot 9 inch) is the width of the ACTUAL base, however the speakers overhang which makes the total width 51inches/130cm (I just measured this from my actual tv so they are pretty accurate) this is the 55" model

what im saying is that it only needs 33 inches of support, but if you have a cabinet or something it will need ot be 51 inches wide. don't know if thats easy ot understand :S

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what im saying is that it only needs 33 inches of support, but if you have a cabinet or something it will need ot be 51 inches wide. don't know if thats easy ot understand :S

Thank you, it certainly makes sense! I really appreciate your help as it has put my mind at ease. :blink:

I had been hoping it may have had a smaller 'footprint' but I'll be able to have the old entertainment unit modified to fully support the 33inch base! Not a problem! :D

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Hi all,

On pricing, how have people gone in adelaide? I can push people to 1600 for the 42", but the extra warranty is always $300+ (good guys) or even worse $600 (sony central). Any suggested retailers I should try?

Cheers

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Hi all,

On pricing, how have people gone in adelaide? I can push people to 1600 for the 42", but the extra warranty is always $300+ (good guys) or even worse $600 (sony central). Any suggested retailers I should try?

Cheers

Answered my own question, eventually went to H.N's and got the 42 with delivery and extra warranty for 1800. Who would have thought they would do better than Good Guys? *shrugs*

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Whats the cheapest anyone managed to get the 50" for? Im looking to get one and im wondering if any have been purchased after christmas and what price range I should be looking at :blink:

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Cheapest I got mine (before Christmas) was 2250 including 2 years finance, and 5 year warranty. Don't pay more than that.

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