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I still haven't heard back from them...but I too have now seen an article that says only the 32" has the "Alpha" IPS panel. The 26" version is an IPS panel too, but it's not an "Alpha" one...whatever the heck that means?

I would think that most people would assume the 26" and 32" versions to be exactly the same TV but different sizes...especially when they both have the same model number...LXD600A...!

I will be taking this as far as I can go with Panasonic Australia....

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I still haven't heard back from them...but I too have now seen an article that says only the 32" has the "Alpha" IPS panel. The 26" version is an IPS panel too, but it's not an "Alpha" one...whatever the heck that means?

I would think that most people would assume the 26" and 32" versions to be exactly the same TV but different sizes...especially when they both have the same model number...LXD600A...!

I will be taking this as far as I can go with Panasonic Australia....

I haven't purchased a set yet, but I too had assumed they'd be the same until I saw both in boxes on the floor of a Harvey Norman store - the 32" is a Japanese made set and the 26" is a Chinese made set, so different factories led me to think they'd probably be different panels/qualities.

Good luck, hope all goes well.

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What sort of crap is that?

You go into a store and try on a pair of jeans size 32...they're a little loose around the waist, so you ask the girl behind the counter for a smaller size. Do you even consider that the smaller pair might be made out of a cheaper cotton than the larger size? Or that the size 30 jeans were made in China, while the 32's were made in Japan?

This is just crazy, misleading false marketing on Panasonics behalf, and I am not impressed at all....

Still no contact from Panasonic...

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As you can see, only the 32" 600A is using the renowned IPS ALPHA panel.

Yes I was aware "32 IPS Alpha panel", "26 IPS panel", but, both on the carton & back of TV wording that states "made in Japan", how can people tell that the IPS was made in China/Korea? :blink:

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how can people tell that the IPS was made in China/Korea?

Over 90% of LCD panels (IPS or otherwise) are made in China/Korea. The TV maybe assembled elsewhere e.g. Sony high end LCD line; assembled in Japan with Korean made panels.

AFAIK besides IPS Alpha Technology Ltd (Panasonic, Toshiba & Hitachi joint venture), only Sharp has LCD panel manufacturing facilities in Japan.

According to IPS Alpha official website, their production facility is located in Mobara, Japan. They're building a second factory in Czech Republic which will start production later this year.

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Over 90% of LCD panels (IPS or otherwise) are made in China/Korea. The TV maybe be assembled elsewhere e.g. Sony high end LCD line; assembled in Japan with Korean made panels.

Ta webmail, explained like a true enthusiast. Anyway, decision made, all I wanted was a 26 inches mainly for portability & there isn't much around with an inbuilt tuner in that size (apart from the Baumann Meyer, too dear & Samsung) & comparing it to the Samsung (2nd choice) the PQ & sound was a lot better.

Is the Alpha panel like chalk & cheese compared to the IPS one?

Steffche, best of luck from me too.

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Ta webmail, explained like a true enthusiast. Anyway, decision made, all I wanted was a 26 inches mainly for portability & there isn't much around with an inbuilt tuner in that size (apart from the Baumann Meyer, too dear & Samsung) & comparing it to the Samsung (2nd choice) the PQ & sound was a lot better.

Is the Alpha panel like chalk & cheese compared to the IPS one?

Looch

I am expecting a call back from Panasonic this morning. Get this...yesterday they couldn't give me an answer to my question, which was "Is there a difference between the 26" and 32" panels appart from the screen size?". The guy said that he tried to contact an engineer to get an answer, but the engineer was not in until today...and that he would contact me as soon as he got a definitive answer. So even the people working at Panasonic don't have clue about the difference between these two panels. How can they expect the consumer to know? The sales people working in the likes of JB HIFI, Harvey Norman, Good Guys etc don't even know the difference!

I believe that Panasonic should have changed the model number to be completeley different between the two TVs. But to have LXD600A in both models, and the first two digits to signify the size difference should mean that everyting else about the TV's is the same.

Having said all this...I must say that I don't know for certain that the 32" panel would look THAT much better in my bedroom against the 26". Afterall, I never had the opportunity to compare them side-by-side in the shops. (Who would have thought that was necessary to compare two screens of the same model but different size!!!). I did what 99.9% of people would do...compare two different brands side-by-side. I compared the Sony, Sharp, Panasonic...as to me they were the three contenders.

In teh shop I honestly thought the Panasonic was on par with the others in terms of PQ, and the fact that it had the built-in tuner was a bonus...so it was an obvious choice. However, it was the 32" that I was comparing against!!!

Trouble is, that assuming Panasonic are generous, and do the right thing an swap it for a 32"...it won't fit in my TV cabinet...hence why I chose the 26" in the first place. So what do I do then eh?

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Trouble is, that assuming Panasonic are generous, and do the right thing an swap it for a 32"...it won't fit in my TV cabinet...hence why I chose the 26" in the first place. So what do I do then eh?

Swap it to a different brand. Samsung, LG, or Sony. Sony is the best but also the most expensive.

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Swap it to a different brand. Samsung, LG, or Sony. Sony is the best but also the most expensive.

I know, the Sony did have a great picture, but then I have to buy an external STB...plus my DVD player....it adds up to too much gear for the bedroom cabinet to handle.

Does anyone honestly believe that Panasonic will even consider giving me my money back...?

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Does anyone honestly believe that Panasonic will even consider giving me my money back...?

Do NOT ask Panasonic. They will of course say no.

How long have you had the set for? You can always ask JB for a refund. If they say no then you have no choice other than exchange. Samsung LCDs are pretty decent IMO. With the price of a Sony you can get a Samsung plus an STB. You only need an SD STB anyway for a screen that size, and todays SD STB are pretty tiny.

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Trouble is, that assuming Panasonic are generous, and do the right thing an swap it for a 32"...it won't fit in my TV cabinet...hence why I chose the 26" in the first place. So what do I do then eh?

Hmmm, maybe get a new cabinet? Think of it as a long-term investment, cos 26" is pretty small. IMHO 32" should be the minimum size for a bedroom tv. And it will be a much better tv in this case (I don't think you'll have any trouble swapping it for the 32" and paying the difference - you have a fair case).

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I've had the TV for 14 days now....and I bought it from Good Guys. Don't know what their policy is on refunds or exchanges...

In that case you better hurry and ask GG. Most retailers have 14 days policy for refund/exchanges.

I also second Madmax's suggestion. It's not that expensive to buy a cabinet for the bedroom and you'll get long term enjoyment out of it.

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Is the Alpha panel like chalk & cheese compared to the IPS one?
On paper, IPS Alpha is like chalk and cheese compared to regular IPS.
IPS Alpha is 4th generation IPS technology (IPS-Pro).
Regular IPS is 2nd generation IPS technology (S-IPS).
Note:
The main commercial supplier of IPS panels is LG.Philips LCD besides IPS Alpha Technology Ltd.
AS-IPS is still based on S-IPS technology i.e. similar electrode structure and molecule operation.

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As it turns out, Panasonic unfortunately didn't return my call. So I decided to ring them instead. I got a different person on the phone this time. She got quite firm with me when I suggested that she had incorrect information when she responded with the statement "both 26" and 32" panels are identical except for the screen size". I could see that I wasn't getting anywhere with her, so I decided to end the call and try again, in hope that I may get someone who knows what they're on about. A guy this time...who was much more helpful. I explained the situation to him, and said that I had not received a call confirming that the two TV's are infact quite different. So he put me on hold while he went and found out for himself. (This is now the 4th Customer Service rep that I've spoken to from Panasonic and so far no one has had a clue about the difference between these two panels). He gets back on the phone and says "Yes, you're right, there is a difference...32" is a far superior TV than the 26". So I started on about how I feel ripped off...tricked into believing that I was getting the same beast but only a smaller version. (I used my pair of jeans theory!). SO now its been escalated to his supervisor... I'm waiting for a call from him now... !!! This is sooooo frustrating!!!

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I'd be ringing Good Guys right now if you haven't done so already and explain your situation.

I did...and now I'm waiting for a return call from the manager....

I had to do a test run though before I rang. I got my friend to call them up first and pretend to be interested in buying a 26" panel, and ask the salesperson if there is any difference between the 32" and 26". The answer was "No...both panels are exactly the same...made in Japan.!". So no one else seems to know abouth this alpha screen not being in the 26" model....well except for in this forum!

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I'd be ringing Good Guys right now if you haven't done so already and explain your situation.

Yes I agree. You will not get anywhere with Panasonic. Even if they agree to refund you, it will take several weeks.

Good Guys is a much better and faster option. I reckon it's hard to get a refund but they should let you exchange.

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i bought this set yesterday, very happy with my purchase..

just playing around with the SD card photo display feature, it plays ok from a card straight from the camera, but if i'm having trouble making a 'best of' compilation on my PC and having them show up onscreen.. it doesn't see them at all.

i've dragged and dropped the original unaltered [jpeg] files onto the SD card through a reader

in the manual it states that to browse photos they need to be in DCF or Exif jpeg format, so i'm not sure where it's going wrong.

i also do abstract design works which i'd like to have onscreen as a slideshow, so to know what format/file/structure/etc is necessary would be good.

any ideas?

edit> nm

i should RTFM before posting, there's a bit on the folder structure necessary a bit further down :blink:

edit2> still having problems.. i think my image capture program may be stripping some information.. the manual also says that images modified by PC won't show :D

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I want to buy this tv with the intention of wall mounting it. I see that Panasonic offer an optional wall mount, but I don't want it flat on the wall, I want to put it high up right in the corner of the bedroom, using an elbow-style wall arm. I have my eye on a certain model from Vogels, but my question is: does this tv have any of the VESA standard mouting holes e.g. 75mm x 75mm, 100mm x 100mm, or 200mm x 100mm? I downloaded the manual from Pana's website but it doesn't really show it. Can a current owner please have a look and check it out for me?

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** BUMP **

Would save me a trip to the shopping centre if somebody could have a quick look at the back of their tv.......please.......pretty please! :wub:

Had a look at Panasonic's site as I intend to buy this tv in the next couple of days and want to wall mount it. The mounting hole pattern is 339mm x 120mm (definitely not VESA compliant).

Have a look at http://www.gfm.net.au/31-55__swing_arm.html, this will definitely fit the tv and looks to be quite good. I've just emailed them to find out the price, so can't help you with that.

Speaking of price - what's the best price you've found for the tv and where? I'm from Melbourne and most of the big chains have it ticketed at $1,999 (Harvey Norman, Good Guys, Clive Peeters) or $1,899 (Myer, Dick Smith). Retravision have it on special in their current catalogue (sale ends 22/02/07) at $1,798.

When I rang around the big chains and quoted the Retravision price, they all said come in and see us as we can definitely beat that price. So with a bit of leg work and playing them off against each other I should be able get one for around $1,700. I'd be interested to hear your best price.

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Had a look at Panasonic's site as I intend to buy this tv in the next couple of days and want to wall mount it. The mounting hole pattern is 339mm x 120mm (definitely not VESA compliant).

Have a look at http://www.gfm.net.au/31-55__swing_arm.html, this will definitely fit the tv and looks to be quite good. I've just emailed them to find out the price, so can't help you with that.

Ah crap. Thanks anyway guys. @c2grh, that mount looks nice, but the minimum height is 180mm, and you say the Pana holes are 120mm - could be a major problem. It may well be that I'll have to forget the Pana and look at other brands e.g. Sony and Samsung, unless they turn out to have the same issue......

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Having read the specs on the Panny, I'm curious about how it all works with non-HDMI sources. Say you're running a component DVD player and something else with DVI. Although there are two audio inputs, it looks as if there is only one audio input shared between the HDMI/PC/component video sources. My question in other words is whether the audio and the video inputs may be selected independently? Also, regarding the audio output, does the telly pass-through whatever it is receiving, or does this output possibly only refer to that from the integrated tuners?

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If I could fit a 32" panel in my TV cabinet I would get the Panasonic....

Naturally it's very subjective - and heavily dependent on manufacturers' default settings - but the few times I've seen the Panasonic 600A and the Sony V series (both 32") side by side in stores, the Sony wins hands down every time on picture quality and black level. And despite the claims about the magical viewing-angle proerties of the "IPS Alpha" panels, the two were in reality completely on par as far as viewing angle was concerned.

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Naturally it's very subjective - and heavily dependent on manufacturers' default settings - but the few times I've seen the Panasonic 600A and the Sony V series (both 32") side by side in stores, the Sony wins hands down every time on picture quality and black level. And despite the claims about the magical viewing-angle proerties of the "IPS Alpha" panels, the two were in reality completely on par as far as viewing angle was concerned.

I finally got a response from Good Guys...and they are happy to allow us to return both our TV's (my friends and mine) to swap them for something else.

They are pretty keen to allow me to bring in my Video Essentials DVD to test some TV's out in the store. They are also willing to set up TV's side-by-side so that we can do a comparison...in a more dim environment.

I plan to compare the 26" and 32" lxd600a's side-by-side along with the Sony V series 32". I have a feeling that I am not going to be that impressed with teh 32" Pana. I looked at the 32" panny in Myer the other day and still noticed poor black levels...overly glowing backlight which is what annoys me so much on the 26" model.

I also think that the calibration of the color temps on these sets is horribly wrong. The 'warm' setting is very very red...while the 'normal' temp is too blue! So with a proper calibration things could improve dramatically. HOwever I am not that convinced that the glowing backlight can be eliminated completely.

I know the backlight level can be reduced via the service menu, and it makes an impressive improvement to the PQ (not that I've tried... :blink: ), but the down-side to that is you loose the contrast in the picture too!

I have read quite a few posts in other forums from people with the 32lxd600 who are still complaining about poor black levels and glowing backlight...

Is there REALLY that much difference between the PQ of the 26 versus the 32 lxd600a? I will know before the end of today....if all goes well.

Goodguys have said I can have the SOny 32" V series for $2150...seems a good price...but in my opinion way too much money for a bedroom TV..

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So here are my thoughts/findings after having viewed the 26" and 32" lxd600a's and the Sony V series 32"...all side-by-side. Teh Phillips 32" LCD with its ambilight was next door too, and if not for the size issue I might have chosen it!

Backlight issues aside...the 26" and 32" pana's are very close in terms of picture quality. We were watching them on their built-in HD tuners...channel 7 law & order, and we found it very hard to differentiate the difference....but like I said in the beginning...Backlight Issues aside.

The 26" panel has an unbearable backlight problem. If you watch the TV dead-straight on it looks fine, but you move your viewing angle even a few degrees, and there you go...milky white blacks...glowing backlight destroying the picture.

The 32" pana on the other hand maintains its blacks no matter what angle you;re on.

I still have a problem with the color temperature settings on the panny's. The warm setting is horribly red. Everyone on the screen looks like they're been in a solarium...

What about the Sony. Well, I was impressed with the menu options you have available...from Backlight adjustment, to Black level adjuster, contrast enhancer, two warm color temp settings, and the list goes on. However, the picture quality of the built-in tuner was ordinary to be franc.

I tried adjusting here and there to improve the picture, but nor I or my mate were convinced that the Sony was worth $400 more than the 32" panny! The color temp settings looked far more accurate than the Panasonic....no doubt there, but the detail in teh picture got lost on the Sony.

The panasonic showed the dimples and pimples and beard hair of the male actor in Law & Order (don't know his name), but along with all this amazing detail was heaps of picture noise...mosquito noise I think ts called.

The Sony just filtered all the noise out...but also took away alot of detail.

So in the end, I still don't have a solution. The guys at Good Guys essendon really are Good Guys. They showed ALOT of patience, and understanding that we simply aren't happy with the 26" with its poor black levels. On the other hand, I can't fit the 32" panny, but I CAN fit the 32" Sony (because its speakers are at the bottom of the screen rather than the sides...). BUt I'm not happy with the Sony's performance...

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32" 600a picked up today for the in laws @ $1760 incl 5yr

At HN Chadstone

That is a great price. What was the ticket price and what is the standard warranty period?

I am going to buy this tv in the next day or so, and I intend to do the rounds of the major stores (including HN) using Retravision's current catalogue sale price of $1,798 as a starting point for them to beat.

I'm from Melbourne, so Chadstone is not a problem.

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That is a great price. What was the ticket price and what is the standard warranty period?

Ticket was $1989 but the guy I know there said they average about $1700-1750 so I figure the $1600 (+10% Warrenty) figure isn't too hard to negotiate.

might be worth also trying DES Powerhouse in Carnegie or Nudawading as they had ticketed specials on this TV of around $1650 a week or so back.

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