Teac Lcd Brilliant

[Jocko]

For those in Sydney, if you want to get a look at one of the 42 inch 1920x1080 screens, I understand they have them on display at these locations (may also be at other stores)

- Retravision Ingleburn

- JB HiFi Liverpool Westfield

- Betta Electrical, O'Connell St Sydney City

I had a quick look at Betta Electrical today, and thought it looked great. - very impressive PQ, despite being fed via composite. Can't wait to see how it looks when driven by 1920x1080 content at 1:1 mapping via HDMI, but don't have the kit to test it properly.

Anyone had a chance to test one of these out yet?

I reckon you could pick up one of these for around $2900 with the right bargaining.

[Andy-Roo]

For those in Sydney, if you want to get a look at one of the 42 inch 1920x1080 screens, I understand they have them on display at these locations (may also be at other stores)

- Retravision Ingleburn

- JB HiFi Liverpool Westfield

- Betta Electrical, O'Connell St Sydney City

I had a quick look at Betta Electrical today, and thought it looked great. - very impressive PQ, despite being fed via composite. Can't wait to see how it looks when driven by 1920x1080 content at 1:1 mapping via HDMI, but don't have the kit to test it properly.

Anyone had a chance to test one of these out yet?

I reckon you could pick up one of these for around $2900 with the right bargaining.

Hi Jocko. I bought one on the Weekend and am extremely happy with it. I am yet to confirm 1080p60 via HDMI yet as I am waiting on my new HTPC to arrive (today or tomorrow). At this point, I just cant recommend the TV highly enough.

Andy

[Redemption]

Hi Jocko. I bought one on the Weekend and am extremely happy with it. I am yet to confirm 1080p60 via HDMI yet as I am waiting on my new HTPC to arrive (today or tomorrow). At this point, I just cant recommend the TV highly enough.

Andy

How much did ya get it for mate?

[Andy-Roo]

How much did ya get it for mate?

$3150. I didn't really haggle much though. Im quite sure I could have got it for around $3050 or so if I could have been bothered.

[Gary_D]

3 Year warranty looks good

[Andy-Roo]

3 Year warranty looks good

Yes, I neglected to mention that I got the 3 year warranty too. Thanks for the reminder as that could be important to some people trying to make a purchasing decision.

Andy

[Gary_D]

Yes, I neglected to mention that I got the 3 year warranty too. Thanks for the reminder as that could be important to some people trying to make a purchasing decision.

Andy

Doesn't this TV come with a 3 year warranty? Thats what it says on their site anyway.

[mybrains]

tonight I popped into betta electrical in the city (sydney) just down near circular quay to see this set. He is driving a row of large LCD/Plasma screens at 1080i from a dedicated hard disk device (ie perfect slow moving demos to make LCD look good).

I must admit the LCD was every bit as good as any other brand on display. Very sharp/clear colours vibrant,. whites pure. The blacks were typical average LCD and a slight purple tint on the screen when you go hard off angle- this reminded me of LPL panels (LG/Phillips). The wife thought the TV looked much bigger than 42" (she has seen plenty of plasmas etc at that size). I explained it was the surround pumping up the size appearance. She felt it was too big (doh!). it did have a 50" plasma appearance to it size wise.

later .......

Myer in the city said another month and a half b4 the Sony X turns up. Im keen to compare this as I feel the missus is OK with a thin bezeled 40" but not a fat bexeled 42" ! (and i need 1080 for the HTPC). To kill time I compared the latest pioneer 42" HD plasma on display to a 40" Samsung R series. The samsung totally Killed the pio for blacks. No question about it. Maybe the pio needed calibration? The samsung killed the TEAC in blacks also IMOP.

[mybrains]

Guys, a further update.

The set TEAC are selling is the std model. It has a CR of 1000:1, 176 viewing angle, 8ms and the standard 72% gamut backlight as shown here on AMIOs international website: LC42T1 series-

http://www.amoi.com/product/products_detai...cifications.asp

however on the AMOI website in china is a new model LC-42HWT3P

http://www.amoi.com.cn/html/products_detai...%C3%B2%FA%C6%B7

The specs are CR of 5000:1 (dynamic backlight), 800 nits brightness, and 178 on viewing angles. also an extensive chroma is listed. this might be a 92% gamut backlight like the sony V series

I wonder if we can convince TEAC to bring in the better one for xmas :?

[SPLAT]

$3150. I didn't really haggle much though. Im quite sure I could have got it for around $3050 or so if I could have been bothered.

WOW you got the Teac lcd4235a for 3150!? JB (perth) quoted my $3496 maybe I should push them more. Im confused, what quality of backlight does the TEAC have?, from my understanding cheaper brands are using the same LCD but poorer quality backlit???. I've hurriedly read the forum coz Im in a bit of a rush to order a tv in time for a party this week. I saw a SONIQ 42 inch for 2100 but Im assuming it is far poorer quality.

WOW you got the Teac lcd4235a for 3150!? JB (perth) quoted my $3496 maybe I should push them more. Im confused, what quality of backlight does the TEAC have?, from my understanding cheaper brands are using the same LCD but poorer quality backlit???. I've hurriedly read the forum coz Im in a bit of a rush to order a tv in time for a party this week. I saw a SONIQ 42 inch for 2100 but Im assuming it is far poorer quality.

Ive also been told that the TEAC 42 is actually 6.5MS not 8 as in their promo?

[mybrains]

I asked in at better electrical in the city (sydney) if they could do 2950. They said yes.

The backlight is a typical 72% gamut CCFL. Sams as 90% of the LCDs out there. Only the sony V and samsung R series have the new 92% gamut backlight.

What the teac does lack is the dynamic backlight adjustment (ie in dark scenes, it auto dims the backlight so u dont see shinethrough). This is how some of the leading brands quote up to 5000:1 CR

[SPLAT]

I asked in at better electrical in the city (sydney) if they could do 2950. They said yes.

The backlight is a typical 72% gamut CCFL. Sams as 90% of the LCDs out there. Only the sony V and samsung R series have the new 92% gamut backlight.

What the teac does lack is the dynamic backlight adjustment (ie in dark scenes, it auto dims the backlight so u dont see shinethrough). This is how some of the leading brands quote up to 5000:1 CR

thanks for the summary, it seems as though there is a big price difference to get %90+ and 5000:1 ($4000+) whereas for 2950 you're getting a damn good tv with 3 year warranty as backup.

[mybrains]

thanks for the summary, it seems as though there is a big price difference to get %90+ and 5000:1 ($4000+) whereas for 2950 you're getting a damn good tv with 3 year warranty as backup.

totally agree, however look at what i posted back a few. TEAC have access to the new version of this 42" out of china and it HAS 5000:1 and 92%

lets hope they are ordering xmas stocks as we speak....

[SPLAT]

totally agree, however look at what i posted back a few. TEAC have access to the new version of this 42" out of china and it HAS 5000:1 and 92%

lets hope they are ordering xmas stocks as we speak....

I imagine on first release they will be a lot more expensive than the current TEAC 4235A? $3500 is probably my budget (and I want to get a top box)

[jakes]

totally agree, however look at what i posted back a few. TEAC have access to the new version of this 42" out of china and it HAS 5000:1 and 92%

lets hope they are ordering xmas stocks as we speak....

I have a feeling that they probably wouldn't update their range so soon after releasing the current models. After all, it's been several months since these ones were announced as upcoming, and they're only just turning up in shops. For them to replace the 42" model after it had only been on the shelves for 4 months seems unlikely, no matter how much better the new model might be.

[mybrains]

Here is piccys of the newer model

http://product.pcpop.com/000026378/Picture.html

BTw, its just a revision. Its possible that the next boat load would swap to them rather than considering this a 'new model'. From an external point of view, they look 100% identical

[SPLAT]

I have a feeling that they probably wouldn't update their range so soon after releasing the current models. After all, it's been several months since these ones were announced as upcoming, and they're only just turning up in shops. For them to replace the 42" model after it had only been on the shelves for 4 months seems unlikely, no matter how much better the new model might be.

yeh its interesting, when I rang harvey norman for a quote, the salesman said TEAC was going through a major restructure and HN would only take orders for TEAC for now.

Ive also been quoted $270 for a TEAC top box (maybe model number 280??) from JB hi fi. I was planning to use my old amp but reading the forums it sounds like I could have compatability problems, if so any recommendations for a suitable (ie not too pricey amp)?

[jakes]

BTw, its just a revision. Its possible that the next boat load would swap to them rather than considering this a 'new model'. From an external point of view, they look 100% identical

Right, fair enough - I didn't realise this (the links you posted earlier didn't take me to the right page). As a revision, I guess it would be possible just to phase out the older, lower specced unit and replace it with this better performing one, although I still don't think it's terribly likely.

[drsmith]

Here is piccys of the newer model

http://product.pcpop.com/000026378/Picture.html

BTw, its just a revision. Its possible that the next boat load would swap to them rather than considering this a 'new model'. From an external point of view, they look 100% identical

If you translate the above page to english and click on the model number you can get the specs, see here. To then get to the specs page, click on "Xia LC-42HWT3P", about 1/2 way across the page on the top half.

Note that the contrast ratio is 1200:1, so I can only assume that if variations of this unit have 5000:1, it must be dynamic contrast.

[mybrains]

I saw the TEAC 42" in JB hifi castle hill today. it was next to a sony V 40" and a few other brands all on the same (component) feed.

comparing to the V i have this to say

V had better blacks

V had better PQ - the detail in the images were apparent

TEAC showed signs of motion blur on fast pan, whereas the V didnt

However as we both know, an analog component feed into a digital panel is testing the ADC as much as the panel. Only a true digital feed into the V and TEAC would be a fair comparison.

As the Sony V is hitting clearance sale, the TEAC has some stiff competition in the PQ stakes, abet it does have the 1080p connection

[gtsman]

hi ppl's first thread

i am a salesman @ kmart and can tell you a few things about teac.

a) teac australia is in receivership, under control by teac japan for the moment

the past two teac plasma's weve had, had both had reliabilty/picture issues, and that was just with the 2 display models

[Scalpel]

hi ppl's first thread

i am a salesman @ kmart and can tell you a few things about teac.

a) teac australia is in receivership, under control by teac japan for the moment

the past two teac plasma's weve had, had both had reliabilty/picture issues, and that was just with the 2 display models

By noting that Teac is in receivership (actually under administration) I presume you are referring to the March 2005 news when they restructured and the Teac Japan head office wrote off some $45 million in debt?? If so, it is not really new news. You need to be very careful that your facts are actually correct before you go posting information like that on a public board.

They have been trading (obviously) since then and continue to have accounts with the big HiFi distributors. The warranties continue to be honoured. In fact, my understanding is that they are no longer under administration any more having been taken over by the parent company - but I could be wrong.

It would be interesting to hear how they are trading now from someone in the know. {edit added 2005 followup article]

Here is the original news article (link to The Age, 20th March 2005)

TEAC Australia calls in administrators

By Leonie Wood

March 31, 2005

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TEAC Australia, the Australian unit of one of the world's biggest electronic equipment manufacturers, has been put in the hands of external administrators just as its Japanese parent received a ¥10billion ($A120million) cash injection from a restructuring fund specialist.

TEAC Australia directors yesterday called in administrators Simon Wallace-Smith and Sal Algeri of Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu to look after the interests of local unsecured creditors, who are owed about $55million.

About $35million of that is owed to TEAC Corp in Japan, the global manufacturer of DVD recorders, CD-ROMs, USB flash drives for desktops and notebook PCs. It is an unsecured creditor. ANZ Bank is owed a further $50million, secured over TEAC Australia's assets.

The appointment of voluntary administrators is surprising because it comes at the tail end of an unprecedented boom in consumer spending on electronic goods.

TEAC has been a big beneficiary of that spending, although it has faced intense competition from the South Korean manufacturer LG and, like many distributors of electronic goods, endured severe price deflation for many new technology items.

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The Australian unit turns over about $170million a year and employs more than 100 people in sales, product warranty, distribution and administration.

In 2003, TEAC Australia made $2.6million profit from $155million revenue - a reversal of the $4.5million loss in 2002 from turnover of $179million.

A statement from the administrators said the appointment was made "as a result of disappointing financial and operational performance".

Mr Algeri later said he believed TEAC Corp "were wanting to restructure the business both operationally and financially, and to go into administration gives them that opportunity". He also referred to "a cash flow issue that has had an impact on working capital", but he declined to elaborate.

TEAC in Japan yesterday finalised the sale of 62.7 per cent of its shares for ¥10billion to Phoenix Capital Co, a restructuring fund that last month said it would sell its 28per cent stake in the troubled Japanese car manufacturer, Mitsubishi Motors.

Phoenix Capital Co is owned by former employees of the Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi.

TEAC Australia is half-owned by Gavin Muir, a Brighton businessman and property developer.

Mr Muir last night declined to shed light on the appointment of administrators locally, but pointed repeatedly to the parent company's capital injection.

Mr Algeri said all TEAC warranties would be honoured in Australia; TEAC Corp had given assurances it would continue supporting the Australian business; and employee entitlements appeared to be secure.

But he said the administrators had not yet formulated a strategy for dealing with the business. He said it was too early to say if TEAC Australia would be sold.

(Link The Age followup article)

Administrators recommend a $45m rescue for TEAC

By Helen Westerman

August 23, 2005

THE Japanese parent company of electrical goods manufacturer TEAC Australia is writing off a $45 million debt owed by its subsidiary so it can keep the Australian operation running.

But voluntarily appointed administrators from insolvency firm Deloitte have claimed misappropriation of company assets, false invoicing and misleading trading results by its former local management.

Administrators Sal Algeri and Simon Wallace-Smith were appointed in March when it was revealed that the company owed more than $80 million to secured and unsecured creditors.

The administrators' report to creditors, released yesterday, recommended that creditors vote in favour of the company being taken over by its 50 per cent shareholder, TEAC Corporation Japan, to allow the business to continue trading.

The deal would secure the entitlements of 120 national staff and enable a payment of $20.5 million to secured creditor ANZ. But unsecured creditors would receive only 5¢ in the dollar.

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Mr Algeri said the warranties on TEAC electrical goods would continue to be covered and the business would trade as normal.

He said TEAC Corporation Japan was owed $45 million, while overseas suppliers were owed $12 million and several Australian suppliers were owed $4 million.

Mr Algeri said Deloitte would pursue companies associated with a former 50 per cent TEAC shareholder, property developer Gavin Muir, and other former TEAC Australia management figures, for a total of $6.71 million.

"There is a lot of assets, loan accounts listed where either cash has gone out or we (TEAC) haven't been paid in full for assets, or stock has gone out in lieu of settling private accounts," he said.

Mr Algeri said ASIC was looking at several transactions. An ASIC spokeswoman refused to comment.

Mr Algeri said the sum that Deloitte claimed was owed by Mr Muir included $3.2 million from the sale of a Bay Street, Port Melbourne, property from the Bay Street Corporation, of which Mr Muir is a director.

Roughly another $3 million is alleged to be owed by Gavin Muir Pty Ltd. Mr Muir could not be contacted for comment.

The creditors will meet on Monday.

J.

PS I have no interest in any way or form with Teac (but would happily accept gratuities to correct this at any point)

[Andy-Roo]

Well its taken some time and I have plumbed new depths of frustration at times over the weekend but I've finally built my HTPC and connected the Teac LCD4235A to it via HDMI>DVI.

Firstly, Im glad to say the 1080p60 is advertised in the EDID data from the HDMI interface. However, Im sad to say at 1920x1080/60 I am getting significant overscan. Its easily resolved by using the 7600GS's "HDTV desktop resize utility" in the latest Nvidia driver, however, all that is really doing is reducing the resolution.

So, conclusion at this point in time is (might change with a little more tweaking): the Teac 4235A can indeed do 1080p60 TV and the picture quality/sharpness is just amazing at this res. However, If you want to browse you HTPC desktop or use MCE, 1808x1016x60 appears to be the max resolution achievable.

This in itself is not bad. Everything on screen is crystal sharp at 1808x1016. Just dont be sitting too far away from the screen if you want to browse the net or PC desktop and increase the default font size. It's just a shame I cant get "true" 1:1 pixel matching without overscan...

BTW, a friend of mine just got the last LCD4235A at JB Hi-Fi Cannington on the weekend (I guess he wasn't joking when he said he liked the look and PQ of my Teac TV). In his travels he came across a Teac LCD4233A at a Retravision store. Can anyone tell me what is the difference between an LCD4233A and a LCD4235A (other than the last number)?

[SPLAT]

By noting that Teac is in receivership (actually under administration) I presume you are referring to the March 2005 news when they restructured and the Teac Japan head office wrote off some $45 million in debt?? If so, it is not really new news. You need to be very careful that your facts are actually correct before you go posting information like that on a public board.

They have been trading (obviously) since then and continue to have accounts with the big HiFi distributors. The warranties continue to be honoured. In fact, my understanding is that they are no longer under administration any more having been taken over by the parent company - but I could be wrong.

It would be interesting to hear how they are trading now from someone in the know. {edit added 2005 followup article]

Here is the original news article (link to The Age, 20th March 2005)

(Link The Age followup article)

J.

PS I have no interest in any way or form with Teac (but would happily accept gratuities to correct this at any point)

lighten up scalpel us, newbies are ...well.. new at this, and it is info I didnt know, in your own words you are unsure of the details. the forum gradually helps us to paste together a picture and help make our own decisions.

Well its taken some time and I have plumbed new depths of frustration at times over the weekend but I've finally built my HTPC and connected the Teac LCD4235A to it via HDMI>DVI.

Firstly, Im glad to say the 1080p60 is advertised in the EDID data from the HDMI interface. However, Im sad to say at 1920x1080/60 I am getting significant overscan. Its easily resolved by using the 7600GS's "HDTV desktop resize utility" in the latest Nvidia driver, however, all that is really doing is reducing the resolution.

So, conclusion at this point in time is (might change with a little more tweaking): the Teac 4235A can indeed do 1080p60 TV and the picture quality/sharpness is just amazing at this res. However, If you want to browse you HTPC desktop or use MCE, 1808x1016x60 appears to be the max resolution achievable.

This in itself is not bad. Everything on screen is crystal sharp at 1808x1016. Just dont be sitting too far away from the screen if you want to browse the net or PC desktop and increase the default font size. It's just a shame I cant get "true" 1:1 pixel matching without overscan...

BTW, a friend of mine just got the last LCD4235A at JB Hi-Fi Cannington on the weekend (I guess he wasn't joking when he said he liked the look and PQ of my Teac TV). In his travels he came across a Teac LCD4233A at a Retravision store. Can anyone tell me what is the difference between an LCD4233A and a LCD4235A (other than the last number)?

thanks for the info, Im also getting a quote at the moment and trying to work out the diff btn the 33a and 35 a. One thing that has been suggested to me is the 35a is actually 6.5ms not 8ms as printed in TEACs brochures. how muvh did your friend pay? Also how are you finding TEAC with fast motion, although most LCD QUOTE 8MS ihave noticed differences. I realy enjoy my sport (footy and tennis)

[Andy-Roo]

lighten up scalpel us, newbies are ...well.. new at this, and it is info I didnt know, in your own words you are unsure of the details. the forum gradually helps us to paste together a picture and help make our own decisions.

thanks for the info, Im also getting a quote at the moment and trying to work out the diff btn the 33a and 35 a. One thing that has been suggested to me is the 35a is actually 6.5ms not 8ms as printed in TEACs brochures. how muvh did your friend pay? Also how are you finding TEAC with fast motion, although most LCD QUOTE 8MS ihave noticed differences. I realy enjoy my sport (footy and tennis)

I watched two games of footy and one rugby union on the weekend and unfortunately I'd have to say the Teac is no good for watching footy or rugby as both my (West Aussie) teams and the Australian Wallabies lost:) That being said, fast motion and pans seemed very clear with no significant bluring.