offshore Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Would it be the same as on a PVR - to allow for several tuners to operate at once ?The loopback then allows the signal to be sent to the other tuners (My understanding is that there is SD / HD / Analogue on board). But it has a little cable on it, which is looped back into a 3rd connection on the Panel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acoujazz Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Hi all, been following this thread for quite a while now, really helpful and thought I add the following for the NZ enthusiasts out there, the bravia X and sxrd's (the 50",not the 60"s as they are already out) are scheduled to be released in New Zealand from November, where the X will not come with the digital HD tuner but it is quite a possibility as an add on function later as sony will have to wait for the HDtv signals coming out next year to verify, this leaves the sxrd in the fog as it does come with an hdtv tuner but until the hd broadcast comes out next year, sony/us can only wait..... this is info gathered from the NZ regional sales rep. now for some quiries... from my understanding the HD movies coming out next year with 1080p will be in 1080p/24 (frames i take it?) is that the same with ps3 also? so the question is are the sony X's and sxrd's can support it? I think I read it somewhere it does 1080p/60 only? can some one clarify as I'm a newb at this. Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smargs Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 from my understanding the HD movies coming out next year with 1080p will be in 1080p/24 (frames i take it?) is that the same with ps3 also? so the question is are the sony X's and sxrd's can support it? I think I read it somewhere it does 1080p/60 only? IIRC they also support 1080p/50, so conjecture is that 48Hz should also work, which is a good match for 24Hz movie material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hideous Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 Just been looking at the new KDL 40X 2000 Brava stitting here. Tuner system is identical to the 500 STB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertzz99 Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 Just seen the X 46" @ HN showing Dr Phil (presumed through inbuilt HD tuner). Well the picture was pathetic. I have seen this screen showing Blue Ray demo and it was outstanding. Just goes to show, the source needs to be top notch to gain any benefit from the 1080 panels. In short, without HD source, dont bother with 1080. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adje Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 I bought the 40 inch X Series Bravia about one week ago for $5000 at Sony Central. I’m not a videophile like some of you but I do pay attention to the details. My cables are not up to scratch yet so that may have some effect on my system (System details: Sony Bravia X 40 inch, Toshiba DVD [not progressive scan and connected via SVideo]). Here are my thoughts: Generally I am very happy with my purchase. Sometimes I just sit and stare at the quality in awe (having come from a 10 year old Sony CRT I suppose this is understandable). My overriding comment is that the TV just works well in every respect although there are some annoyances which I’ll go through below. Things I really like: • Picture quality is fantastic. Better than what I expected after seeing it in the shop. I can see the freckles on Jessica Rowe's face throught the makeup! Yes it varies dramatically based on the quality of signal but I was very pleasantly surprised with the quality of free to air. Particularly channels 10 and 9. Shows such as CSI, Grays Anatomy that are well produced are fantastic. Also fantastic is the news on 9 and 10 but when they cut to footage outside of the studio the pixilation is woeful. I can live with this because the studio footage is so good. • Colour quality is very realistic. The first thing you have to do is switch off the grotesque ‘Vivid’ setting that the sets have for impressing you in the store. The Standard setting is much more pleasing and then you can tweak so many settings that if you can’t find something pleasing you are too hard to please. • Motion is much better than I expected. The true test of this is how well the screen copes with sport (particularly the crowd). Having observed many other sets at the store I was worried about this but I must say that I have been pleasantly surprised. Ofcourse there is some pixilation of the crowd if you look hard enough but I find sitting 3m back from the set I notice nothing and that the motion tracking of player playing football is fantastic. • Sound is very good although I suspect that many people will run it through a decent surround sound receiver • I love that for different sources I can set different picture settings. This means that for DVD I tend to set a lower backlight setting because I’m watching at night. • The remote is relatively good but if you don’t have a bunch of sony gear (DVD, video etc) then you will have a lot of redundant buttons. • Inputs: there are hundreds of them and I challenge anyone to fill them all. • Picture in picture: pretty good but because there is only one digital tuner the second picture comes from analogue signal. Still useful if you are waiting for a commercial to end on another channel. • The HD tuner setup and analogue tuner setup was a breeze. Took only 5 minutes to scan everything In the end it is all about the picture and this TV is the business in that regard. Easy to set up, easy to tweak, good motion tracking, excellent lifelike skintones. Sometimes I find that using the auto function for backlighting makes the picture a little to washed out in dim (evening) conditions but this can be fixed with increasing the brightness. Thinks I don’t like: • It takes about 1 sec to change between HD free to air channels. This is annoying as my previous Strong SD digital tuner did it much quicker. • I can’t seem to delete HD channels that have been scanned in or assign program keys to them. I would love to have HD70 set to Ch 7 so I just press 7 on the remote to go to it but I can’t find this function. There is a favourites list but you can only scroll through it rather than just hit a number on the remote. • Scrolling through the inputs is equally slow and annoying So on the whole I’d rate this TV an 8.5/10 (9/10 for picture and 8/10 for functionality). I’m happy with my purchase and I usually suffer from chronic buyer remorse. Most important of all my wife loves it and finds it easy to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshore Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 Just seen the X 46" @ HN showing Dr Phil (presumed through inbuilt HD tuner). Well the picture was pathetic. I have seen this screen showing Blue Ray demo and it was outstanding. Dr Phil looks shocking on every TV ever made. It's a bloody 4:3 NTSC 480 line program, re-scaled to PAL and then broadcast. Yuck. Just goes to show, the source needs to be top notch to gain any benefit from the 1080 panels. In short, without HD source, dont bother with 1080. Disagree with this. Once setup properly, and with a decent SD source, such as a good DVD or good SD digital programming, it looks fantastic, about as good as a SD picture can look. This is a very good tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croops Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 I'm loving the reviews from you guys - please keep it up!! Good to hear that in general, everyone is happy with the X Series. One question though, I plan on purchasing this display very soon however I also need a new DVD player to compliment it. I have read various post where some DVD players don't seem to upscale the picture as well as others. Can anyone recommend a DVD player for the X Series? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalpel Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 I'm loving the reviews from you guys - please keep it up!! Good to hear that in general, everyone is happy with the X Series.One question though, I plan on purchasing this display very soon however I also need a new DVD player to compliment it. I have read various post where some DVD players don't seem to upscale the picture as well as others. Can anyone recommend a DVD player for the X Series? Cheers That is making the assumption that the scaler in the DVD player is better than that in the Bravia. Given that a number of players really dont upscale very well at all, you would want to try this out to see for your self. Try the Pioneer 696 (for a cheap one) How much do you want to spend. You could always buy a DVDO Iscan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croops Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 How much do you want to spend. You could always buy a DVDO Iscan! Around $300-400 I think would be a reasonable budget yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjay Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 Many thanks Adje.. Good honest review. I might be tempted.. cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladz Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 I got 2 responses from my avforum posthttp://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread....078#post3487078 I'm using my 7800 GT card's DVI output with an HDMI adaptor and have no issues with overscan, saying that I'm running it at the panels native resolution with 1:1 Pixel mapping enabled. and Same here with a 7600GT - perfect fit. So as per my previous post. If your hardware is up to it you should get a perfect 1:1 match. I have read there is a setting turning on 1:1 mapping in the pannel. Sony Central Melbourne CBD had another go at hooking up the new blue ray laptop to the 46X via HDMI today. In short, yes it does display at 1:1, ie laptop setup as 1920x1080 & the panel set to full pixel. However, the quality is no where near what it should be. The text has a very sharp 'edge' to it...to the point that its almost unreadable. I've asked them to try other laptops as it may be that particular graphics card that's cusing the problem, will report on that soon. Seriously doubt that's the problem though. If the HDMI ports could accept a PC signal at 1920x1080 then why do they have a dedicated PC input (d-sub) at 1360x768? Makes no sense. I was ready to buy this TV but considering I have a media centre PC as my primary & only source this really is a show stopper. Why is the same panel thats being sold in the USA able to be driven at 1080p via PC (d-sub) & ours/Europe cannot?? Big mistake Sony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyates69 Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 Sony Central Melbourne CBD had another go at hooking up the new blue ray laptop to the 46X via HDMI today. In short, yes it does display at 1:1, ie laptop setup as 1920x1080 & the panel set to full pixel. However, the quality is no where near what it should be. The text has a very sharp 'edge' to it...to the point that its almost unreadable. I've asked them to try other laptops as it may be that particular graphics card that's cusing the problem, will report on that soon. Seriously doubt that's the problem though. If the HDMI ports could accept a PC signal at 1920x1080 then why do they have a dedicated PC input (d-sub) at 1360x768? Makes no sense.I was ready to buy this TV but considering I have a media centre PC as my primary & only source this really is a show stopper. Why is the same panel thats being sold in the USA able to be driven at 1080p via PC (d-sub) & ours/Europe cannot?? Big mistake Sony. Maybe because it's not the same panel. I think theirs is a generation ahead. DRC2.5, ours is 1.0. We're getting the previous model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkadollaX Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Sony Central Melbourne CBD had another go at hooking up the new blue ray laptop to the 46X via HDMI today. In short, yes it does display at 1:1, ie laptop setup as 1920x1080 & the panel set to full pixel. However, the quality is no where near what it should be. The text has a very sharp 'edge' to it...to the point that its almost unreadable. I've asked them to try other laptops as it may be that particular graphics card that's cusing the problem, will report on that soon. Seriously doubt that's the problem though. If the HDMI ports could accept a PC signal at 1920x1080 then why do they have a dedicated PC input (d-sub) at 1360x768? Makes no sense.I was ready to buy this TV but considering I have a media centre PC as my primary & only source this really is a show stopper. Why is the same panel thats being sold in the USA able to be driven at 1080p via PC (d-sub) & ours/Europe cannot?? Big mistake Sony. It's funny because I have the Acer MGW3705 and I initially thought many of the problems with my unit were directly as a result of its price range. However, after reading some posts in this thread it appears that some of the major gripes are common to many current 1080 panels. 1: SD Quality Doesn't Look That Good My thoughts: This is the trade off when moving to a 1080 panel. It's to be expected as we move away from legacy resolutions. Same occurs on my 1080 Acer. 2: Dedicated PC input (d-sub) at 1360x768? Makes no sense. Same spec appears in the ACER manual for the 3705 It appears they state this rez for d-sub as they probably know the unit will support most computer equipment at that range - if not all, anything over that is your good fortune.... 3: Overscan over HDMI @ 1920X1080 Same thing happens on the ACER People with this unit have had varying degrees of success with HDMI & Over scan using PC utilities to mess about with the display settings. For instance some will set the rez to 1919 X 1080 and others 1912 X 1080 to eliminate the over scan problem. 4: Ghosting It happens on the Acer as well. I was hoping that it would not be a problem with the new Bravias but having read some initial impressions The Acer holds it's own on the 3705 (37 inch), especially considering all the bells and whistles it comes with for $3000.00... Built in Analogue tuner, digital tuner, Media Gateway, Network Interface Card, Wireless Network Interface Card, SD Card Reader, CFlash Reader, 5 Scart inputs, 2 component Inputs, 3 Svideo, 3 composite, DVI, HDMI, PC d-sub, all at 1080p. Some of its features are flawed but they do the job (namely, Media Gateway). It just tries to do too much but doesn't really shine in any one area. The PQ is absolutely brilliant on the ACER at 1080 BUT when playing games on my 360 there is a slight but noticeable delay in the controls versus what’s happening on screen (over component @ 1080). This could also be a problem on the Sony but I doubt it. Why? I was told by Acer tech to use the DVI, D-SUB or HDMI where possible as the ACER AV circuitry is cheap! Sony doesn’t skimp in this area, infact they are legends in this domain! Unfortunately all these little niggly problems plus the 50 Hz defect\fault on my set is enough for me to return it. So I'm now looking at a replacement model. I'm interested but not entirely convinced that the bravia X is value for money (haven't seen the PQ for myself). I have seen the new Bravia S PQ and it looked like crap. I messed with the settings but overall soft looking and not exciting to say the least (SD signal). I compared it with a sharp side by side running on the same signal & specs. The sharp looked remarkably better and was $200 cheaper. I'm also not convinced that for everyday use and sitting over 1.5 meters away you will notice the difference between 720p and 1080p. I truly believe having experienced Xbox 360, Divx, DVD, Mpeg all @ 1080 there is not a great deal of benefit over 720p. I say this because most people here are looking at the 40 and 46 inch "x" models. This size screen would require you to either sit close and enjoy the extra detail afforded by 1080 or move away to a normal viewing distance and then lose that extra detail. It makes more sense to purchase the 46inch "V" than the 40inch "X" (Size matters more than Rez at the 40-46 inch range). The "V" series will give you a better PQ on old SD signals than the "X" and a very similar if not indistinguishable picture on HD signals (take into consideration the viewing distance). So for the time being I’m still confused…. Thanks to all who contribute and I look forward to reading some of your reviews as these sets start to trickle in…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfc Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Sony Central Melbourne CBD had another go at hooking up the new blue ray laptop to the 46X via HDMI today. In short, yes it does display at 1:1, ie laptop setup as 1920x1080 & the panel set to full pixel. However, the quality is no where near what it should be. The text has a very sharp 'edge' to it...to the point that its almost unreadable. I've asked them to try other laptops as it may be that particular graphics card that's cusing the problem, will report on that soon. Seriously doubt that's the problem though. If the HDMI ports could accept a PC signal at 1920x1080 then why do they have a dedicated PC input (d-sub) at 1360x768? Makes no sense.I was ready to buy this TV but considering I have a media centre PC as my primary & only source this really is a show stopper. Why is the same panel thats being sold in the USA able to be driven at 1080p via PC (d-sub) & ours/Europe cannot?? Big mistake Sony. Yep if that is the case they is a big problem. I still would like to see how it performs with a non laptop gfx card as many laptop cards even though they are good when they try and push out at 1920 * 1080 dont perform very well because they dont exactly support the refresh rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatoe1503560767 Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Thinks I don’t like:• It takes about 1 sec to change between HD free to air channels. This is annoying as my previous Strong SD digital tuner did it much quicker. • I can’t seem to delete HD channels that have been scanned in or assign program keys to them. I would love to have HD70 set to Ch 7 so I just press 7 on the remote to go to it but I can’t find this function. There is a favourites list but you can only scroll through it rather than just hit a number on the remote. • Scrolling through the inputs is equally slow and annoying So on the whole I’d rate this TV an 8.5/10 (9/10 for picture and 8/10 for functionality). I’m happy with my purchase and I usually suffer from chronic buyer remorse. Most important of all my wife loves it and finds it easy to use. Adje, Re Point 1: Can't help. Re Point 2: I was reviewing the 46X manual (British version, which I assume is the same) and on p. 36 of the manual it reveals how to remove the unwanted channel under the title, "Programme Edit List". Re Point 3: I am pretty sure I read somewhere that a setting exists that allows you to 'skip' inputs where a device is not currently connected. Hope this helps. Cheers, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfc Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Sony Central Melbourne CBD had another go at hooking up the new blue ray laptop to the 46X via HDMI today. In short, yes it does display at 1:1, ie laptop setup as 1920x1080 & the panel set to full pixel. However, the quality is no where near what it should be. The text has a very sharp 'edge' to it...to the point that its almost unreadable. I've asked them to try other laptops as it may be that particular graphics card that's cusing the problem, will report on that soon. Seriously doubt that's the problem though. If the HDMI ports could accept a PC signal at 1920x1080 then why do they have a dedicated PC input (d-sub) at 1360x768? Makes no sense.I was ready to buy this TV but considering I have a media centre PC as my primary & only source this really is a show stopper. Why is the same panel thats being sold in the USA able to be driven at 1080p via PC (d-sub) & ours/Europe cannot?? Big mistake Sony. Mate I found this on AVforums it seems to indicate the same problems but a solution to it For what it's worth and if this helps you at all, I have the same pc as you. I also had a problem hooking up the 46X as a monitor. First, I downloaded the latest drivers - this enabled the GeForce to recognise a much larger selection of monitors and resolutions. I have two DVI out sockets so I conected the PC to my PC monitor using a DVI - DVI cable, and used a DVI-HDMI cable to connect up the 46X (to AV6). Fired up the PC, and then using the pc monitor I went to the Nvidia set-up screen in control panel and the 46X showed up in the drop down menu as a 2nd monitor option. I selected the Sony Bravia as the monitor at 1920 x 1080p resolution (50hz, I couldn't find an option for 60hz) and hey presto my 46x was a monitor. At first the PQ was terrible, until I read Mark800's post about setting sharpness on the 46x when using it with a PC (if the sharpness setting is too low the image is blurry). Once I had the sharpness set to about '51' I was blown away with the image (especially looking at photos and playing my MS Flight Simulator!). Let me know if you have any luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobline83 Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 saw one today at HN in maribyrnong... showing horrible foxtel material, are these guys for real??? a 1080p display and they try and show it off with that filth, insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croops Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 saw one today at HN in maribyrnong... showing horrible foxtel material, are these guys for real??? a 1080p display and they try and show it off with that filth, insane. umm.... that's what people are watching at home - not 3 minute HD loops (c: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobline83 Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 umm.... that's what people are watching at home - not 3 minute HD loops (c: true but show ppl the capabilities! if you're selling a car or house you generally clean it and wash it e.t.c we know in general conditions they never stay that clean but u gotta show it off and present a wow factor. the common person wouldnt know wtf the panel can do so throw its greatest asset on display i say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkadollaX Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 I selected the Sony Bravia as the monitor at 1920 x 1080p resolution (50hz, I couldn't find an option for 60hz) and hey presto my 46x was a monitor. Has anyone got 1080p @60hz working yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croops Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 the common person wouldnt know wtf the panel can do so throw its greatest asset on display i say. And then we get the same people (read 'The Jones') in these forums asking why SD looks shyte on their $5K TV! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selze Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Just noticed the Sony Australia web site now shows the x-series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladz Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Mate I found this on AVforums it seems to indicate the same problems but a solution to itFor what it's worth and if this helps you at all, I have the same pc as you. I also had a problem hooking up the 46X as a monitor. First, I downloaded the latest drivers - this enabled the GeForce to recognise a much larger selection of monitors and resolutions. I have two DVI out sockets so I conected the PC to my PC monitor using a DVI - DVI cable, and used a DVI-HDMI cable to connect up the 46X (to AV6). Fired up the PC, and then using the pc monitor I went to the Nvidia set-up screen in control panel and the 46X showed up in the drop down menu as a 2nd monitor option. I selected the Sony Bravia as the monitor at 1920 x 1080p resolution (50hz, I couldn't find an option for 60hz) and hey presto my 46x was a monitor. At first the PQ was terrible, until I read Mark800's post about setting sharpness on the 46x when using it with a PC (if the sharpness setting is too low the image is blurry). Once I had the sharpness set to about '51' I was blown away with the image (especially looking at photos and playing my MS Flight Simulator!). Let me know if you have any luck. Thanks for the info. So there's no ghosting of text or over-sharpness? how does the quality compare to the VGA input (obviously at the lower rez)? Btw, Central still have not tried any other laptops via HDMI, I dare say they'll have no luck, sounds like you need a top end graphics card to do the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanMar Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Just saw 46" KDL46X2000 connected to VAIO laptop blueray playing Underworld: Evolution in HD. Very, very nice! I couldn't even notice any ghosting with action scenes... This was Sony shop Chapel St. Prahran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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