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anyone got one yet :blink:

I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but there's a thread on here about this panel - they've been selling it at Strathfield for a while (at least I assume it's the same 37" 1920x1080 Pyrod), so have a search if you're interested. Apparently it's fairly straightforward to get it running at 1080p from a PC.

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The panel is made by AUO if memory serves me correctly.

Harris scarfe had these on special about 3 months ago ($1999) so the Kmart price is good. I happened to see these in Harris Scarfe on the weekend again and the price was approx. $2400 if I remember correctly.

The picture at Harris Scarfe was bad, but they haven't got a clue when it comes to setting these things up for even a remotely decent image.

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the panel is by AU (same as what the Benq uses)

Saw the Benq on the weekend (finally). The picture was an absolute horror. I'm sure it was mainly a setup issue. Note: I have the Acer 3705.

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I'd be willing to bet that any of these that you see setup look bad, that's what retailers seem to do best, hook them up to the poorest available source, use the worst possible input and then wonder why people don't like them. Unfortunately it's hard to get to look at what you're buying but the best feedback is perhaps here from people that actually have them.

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Yes, same panel as Strathfield had, two year warranty now instead of three (that helped get the cost down) and the panel is by AU (same as what the Benq uses) you can grab the brochure from here ftp://ftp.jokiin.com/LCD/Pyrod37.jpg if you want more detail

Kmart's offering them with a three year warranty... :blink:

http://www.kmart.com.au/catalogue/20060608...=&PageNumber=11

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Kmart's offering them with a three year warranty... :blink:

http://www.kmart.com.au/catalogue/20060608...=&PageNumber=11

Ok, good news then, they originally did the deal with only a two year warranty, they did triple their order though so I guess they might have squeezed the extra warranty back into the deal. Whatever the reason this has to be one of the best deals going at the moment for an LCD

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On the bottom of the Kmart catalogue there is an offer to buy now and pay nothing for 12 months (12 months interest free) for purchases of $500 or more on a Coles Myer card.

Assuming a 10% interest charge for 12 months by a third party finance provider, the amount received by Kmart would be $1709 with the remainder of $190 going to the finance provider to give a purchase price of $1899.

This suggests some haggling room for a cash purchase.

I have never tried haggling at Kmart (never purchased anything expensive there), but it would be interesting to know what success others have had trying to bargin a reduced price for an expensive item at Kmart.

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I have never tried haggling at Kmart (never purchased anything expensive there), but it would be interesting to know what success others have had trying to bargin a reduced price for an expensive item at Kmart.

Yeah, I'll send my mum in, she always manages to get deals out of Kmart :blink: (god knows how) I think floor stock they can do deals on, not sure what their policy is on other stuff

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Just so people understand, there is no “1080i goodness” with cheap LCD’s, as they use bob deinterlacing with 1080i source, which limits vertical resolution to 540.

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I believe that the only digital input this unit has is DVI. Does anyone know if it's HDCP compliant? I had a look through the Strathfield Pyrod thread and couldn't find mention of this.

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Just so people understand, there is no “1080i goodness” with cheap LCD’s, as they use bob deinterlacing with 1080i source, which limits vertical resolution to 540.

As I'm often told on DBA, there are no true 1080 sources anyway, thanks to our friend Kell. So 540 is just fine :blink:

From the earlier comments it seems this panel does 1080p? So your HTPC could deinterlace for you.

What LCDs do "better" than bob de-interlacing? How would one discover if an LCD tv performs better de-interlacing? It is not something commonly written in specifications...

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As I'm often told on DBA, there are no true 1080 sources anyway, thanks to our friend Kell. So 540 is just fine :blink:

From the earlier comments it seems this panel does 1080p? So your HTPC could deinterlace for you.

I think Owen's point is that with a 1080i source (not 1080p) you're losing half your resolution because of the bob deinterlacing. Properly deinterlaced 1080i would be equivalent to (I think, someone correct me if I'm wrong) 1080p. But this panel, fed a 1080i source can't do that - what you're seeing if you input 1080i is only actually 540 lines of resolution.

The way around it, as you point out, would be to use an HTPC feeding in a 1920x1080 signal, and let the PC do the deinterlacing.

However, it would seem that this panel might not be much good for those wanting to use it with 1080i sources like a HD STB. Although, note that Campster on the other thread was pretty happy with XBox 360, although I can't remember off hand if that was with 720p or 1080i.

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.... However, it would seem that this panel might not be much good for those wanting to use it with 1080i sources like a HD STB. .......

Considering the quality of digital TV here that is not a big loss.

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Considering the quality of digital TV here that is not a big loss.

Well, you might be right - but I'm sure there are those who will buy this panel from kmart thinking that they simply need to plug their HD STB @ 1080i into it for perfect quality. Actually, someone who did do this would probably be significantly more educated about digital tv/displays than most people buying a tv from kmart, but I hope you know what I'm getting at?

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Well, you might be right - but I'm sure there are those who will buy this panel from kmart thinking that they simply need to plug their HD STB @ 1080i into it for perfect quality. Actually, someone who did do this would probably be significantly more educated about digital tv/displays than most people buying a tv from kmart, but I hope you know what I'm getting at?

can i ask a question, are people saying that you will get a worse picture on a 1920 x 1080 lcd, than a 1366 x 768 lcd, when connecting it to a HD STB?!?

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can i ask a question, are people saying that you will get a worse picture on a 1920 x 1080 lcd, than a 1366 x 768 lcd, when connecting it to a HD STB?!?

Hi, I'll have a go at this, although there are others who are far more qualified to answer correctly. But, no. No one is saying that this panel will look worse than a 1366x768 panel when connected to a HD STB (did anyone even make such a comparison). All that was said was that it probably doesn't handle a 1080i input in an ideal manner. It may well look worse than a 1366x768 panel when fed exactly the same signal, but there are a lot of variables, including which 768p panel you're talking about, what deinterlacing method it uses, the quality of its scaler (scaling 1080i to 768p), the distance you stand from the screen, and so on. On the other hand, it could well look better.

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Does anyone have an instruction manual and the packed box dimensions for this unit?

pm me your email address and I will forward you the manual :D

Wonder if the speakers are detachable? :blink:

Gonna go have a look tonite :P

yes they are detacheable

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Hi, I'll have a go at this, although there are others who are far more qualified to answer correctly. But, no. No one is saying that this panel will look worse than a 1366x768 panel when connected to a HD STB (did anyone even make such a comparison). All that was said was that it probably doesn't handle a 1080i input in an ideal manner. It may well look worse than a 1366x768 panel when fed exactly the same signal, but there are a lot of variables, including which 768p panel you're talking about, what deinterlacing method it uses, the quality of its scaler (scaling 1080i to 768p), the distance you stand from the screen, and so on. On the other hand, it could well look better.

That covers it nicely.

Very few, if any current LCD TV’s have effective deinterlacing.

The top range Sonys etc MAY have, depending on the DRC chip used, but it is generally impossible to know.

A PC is the only cost effective deinterlacing solution, and they can work very well, but most people are not going to be using a PC.

To be able to resolve 1920x1080 resolution on a 37” screen, you would need to view it from no more then about 1.5 meters, so even if first class deinterlacing was available, there will be effectively no difference in visible resolution compared to a 768 or 720p display of the same size at a more normal and practical viewing distance.

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To be able to resolve 1920x1080 resolution on a 37” screen, you would need to view it from no more then about 1.5 meters, so even if first class deinterlacing was available, there will be effectively no difference in visible resolution compared to a 768 or 720p display of the same size at a more normal and practical viewing distance.

Seriously Owen, one day you are going to have to stand in front of a TV and do this test for yourself, because I did it this morning and the numbers you quote above are absolute BS.

I have an 81cm 1366x768 LCD (AWA 1st Gen). According to the claimed rule-of-thumb I should not be able to resolve individual pixels beyond about 1.2 metres.

My LCD has a dark pixel about 15 pixels down from the top and about 100 in from the right. I can easily make it out at two metres whilst a TV program is being showed. At 1.2 metres I can clearly make out the RGB sub-pixels on the screen.

Also I spent about 20 minutes this morning switching between SD and HD "Today" Show on Nine. This is a good HD source when they are in the studio, and when the news is being read there is plenty of time to flick between SD and HD. Again it's a no-brainer at two metres and even from the lounge (about 3 metres) the picture is noticably clearer.

To suggest that for a 37", 1080i display is undecernable from a SD display as 1.5m is utter, Utter, UTTER rubbish. All it does in mis-inform potential panel buyers, which could lead them into making the same mistake that everyone who bought a sub-SD 480 Plasma has made.

Josh.

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Seriously Owen, one day you are going to have to stand in front of a TV and do this test for yourself, because I did it this morning and the numbers you quote above are absolute BS.

I have done tests many times, on all type of displays, including LCD PC monitors, and my observations match almost exactly with the standard human visual acuity model that is used is this calculator.

http://www.myhometheater.homestead.com/vie...ancemetric.html

I have an 81cm 1366x768 LCD (AWA 1st Gen). According to the claimed rule-of-thumb I should not be able to resolve individual pixels beyond about 1.2 metres.

My LCD has a dark pixel about 15 pixels down from the top and about 100 in from the right. I can easily make it out at two metres whilst a TV program is being showed. At 1.2 metres I can clearly make out the RGB sub-pixels on the screen.

It’s usually possible to see an individual bright of dark pixel against a contrasting background at considerably greater distances then I quoted.

The point is that can you tell the difference between one of two same colour pixel’s if they are next to each other.

A resolution test pattern consists of one pixel wide black and white alternating line pattern.

Beyond a certain distance the individual black and white lines can no longer be distinguished from each other, and a screen takes on a average grey appearance.

For an 81cm 768p display, this should occur at around 2.1 meters.

At greater viewing distances, you can only see the average of adjoining pixel’s, and not the full resolution of the display.

So, a 1920x1080 display is not going to look better then a 1366x768 of the same size at more then about 2.1 meters.

Also I spent about 20 minutes this morning switching between SD and HD "Today" Show on Nine. This is a good HD source when they are in the studio, and when the news is being read there is plenty of time to flick between SD and HD. Again it's a no-brainer at two metres and even from the lounge (about 3 metres) the picture is noticably clearer.

Many people fall into the rap of comparing an SD feed with a HD feed.

Unfortunately that provides an invalid comparison, as the HD feed is much better then the SD one regardless of resolution.

To make the comparison valid you MUST use the exact same source.

By that I mean you must down scale the HD source with very high quality scaling to the lower resolution you wish to compare against.

To properly compare a 1920x1080 display with a 1366x768 display, you would need to take top quality 1920x1080 video source and scale it to 1366x768 using the best scaling possible.

Both displays are then fed there native resolution 1:1.

A similar comparison of visible resolution can be done using only a 1920x1080 display, by scaling the 1920x1080 video down to 1366x768 and then scaling it back up to 1920x1080 for output to the 1920x1080 display.

Remember that once the video is scaled down to 1366x768, any resolution about that level is permanently lost, so when we scale back up to 1920x1080 we still have only 1366x768 visible resolution.

I can do these scaled video comparisons in real time using FFDShow on my HTPC to a 1920x1200 LCD PC monitor.

To suggest that for a 37", 1080i display is undecernable from a SD display as 1.5m is utter, Utter, UTTER rubbish. All it does in mis-inform potential panel buyers, which could lead them into making the same mistake that everyone who bought a sub-SD 480 Plasma has made.

I never said any such thing.

What I said was:

Quote “cheap LCD’s, as they use bob deinterlacing with 1080i source, which limits vertical resolution to 540.”

And Quote “To be able to resolve 1920x1080 resolution on a 37” screen, you would need to view it from no more then about 1.5 meters, so even if first class deinterlacing was available, there will be effectively no difference in visible resolution compared to a 768 or 720p display of the same size at a more normal and practical viewing distance.”

The thing you have missed here is that only vertical resolution is affected by bob deinterlacing.

Full horizontal resolution is maintained, and that makes a very noticeable difference compared to SD.

Remember also that 1080i HD has up to 4 times the colour resolution of SD, and that in its self makes a considerable difference.

Please show me where I said that “for a 37", 1080i display is undecernable from a SD display as 1.5m”.

SD is going to look like crap at 1.5 meters, and 1080 is going to be fully resolved at that distance, and be as good as is possible to have it.

However, at a greater distance we will not be able to fully resolve the fine detail of 1920x1080.

To make 720x576 look as good as 1920x1080 at 1.5 meters on a 37” screen, you would need to move back to around 3.4 meters.

I hope all this is beginning to make some sence.

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Below is some info from the user manual if anyone wishes to comment.

On page 7, the contrast ratio is specified as 600:1 whereas on the Electronics Australia website at ftp://ftp.jokiin.com/LCD/Pyrod37.jpg it is specified at 800:1.

Response time (Tr/Tf) from the manual is 15/6ms compared to a single figure of 12ms on the Electronics Australia website. Viewing angle H:170, V:170.

According to page 9 on the manual all the external connectors are on a multi-media box which is attacted to the unit by the owner after purchase. The picture of the multimedia box on page 12 however does not show a DVI connection, so I can only assume it is elsewhere on the unit.

HDCP compliance is not specified with the DVI connection.

The unit has motion adaptive de-interlacing.

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Just so people understand, there is no “1080i goodness” with cheap LCD’s, as they use bob deinterlacing with 1080i source, which limits vertical resolution to 540.
The unit has motion adaptive de-interlacing.

Nice try drsmith, but we all know cheap LCDs can never compete with SD plasmas. 480 lines is enough for anyone!

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On page 7, the contrast ratio is specified as 600:1 whereas on the Electronics Australia website at ftp://ftp.jokiin.com/LCD/Pyrod37.jpg it is specified at 800:1.

Response time (Tr/Tf) from the manual is 15/6ms compared to a single figure of 12ms on the Electronics Australia website. Viewing angle H:170, V:170.

Just to clear this up, the brochure is sitting on my FTP server for convenience sake for any that wanted more info, I'm not associated with Electronics Australia in any way, my server has nothing to do with their website. Don't want any confusion over this, thanks :blink:

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Nice try drsmith, but we all know cheap LCDs can never compete with SD plasmas. 480 lines is enough for anyone!

One of the plasma vs LCD war lords is a little trigger happy tonight. I'll just stick my head up into the firing line between the trenches long enough to say,

fobfob,

the information I have provided is sourced from the user manual as indicated in the first sentence of the post you are referring to.

With regards to the difference is specs between the Electronics Australia website (edit: correction, jok11n's FTP server) and the user manual, it is known that the unit uses an AUO 37" panel. If someone knows the model number and specs of the AUO panel in the Pyrod, this info would be very useful. Hopefully information on the panel itself will shed some light on the actual specs and the AUO panel used.

The specs on jok11n's FTP server correspond with the AUO panel T370HW01 V.0, detailed info on the T370HW01 V.0 at http://cn.fpdisplay.com/technology/uploadf...04123165423.pdf

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the information I have provided is sourced from the user manual.

Unfortunately that's not always a reliable source either when dealing with generic brands :blink:

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According to page 9 on the manual all the external connectors are on a multi-media box which is attacted to the unit by the owner after purchase. The picture of the multimedia box on page 12 however does not show a DVI connection, so I can only assume it is elsewhere on the unit.

All analog connectors are through the external box as mentioned. Underneath where the multi-media box attaches to the panel are the Serial (for firmware updates I guess), DVI, VGA & 3.5" audio socket in (perhaps from the PC to be played through the panel's speakers. Without the multimedia box, I gather the panel can just be treated as a LCD monitor ready to be connected to the PC. (Although I have not tried without the multimedia box connected).

Goodnite

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O F!F!S! ffs know what thwt means I hope . LISTEN "read" Owen dont talk shat LISTEN to him DONT get caught up in the bullcrap. If you like it buy it . In 3 years times or weeks use it as a sports update drinks table . Sorry Im vewy tired this week and I installed a pci H's'DtV card in my sys and killed it. Usb forever for meeeee.

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Unfortunately that's not always a reliable source either when dealing with generic brands :blink:

True, but I have more faith in the user manual than I do in a plasma vs LCD warlord firing rubbish from one side of the battlefield.

hopefully there is a reference to the AUO panel used in the Pyrod on the unit itself that will clear up any uncertainty with the specs. I'm hoping that the info on your ftp server is correct and the panel has a contrast ratio of 800:1, not 600:1 as specified in the user manual.

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