Toshiba - 72" 1080p DLP RPTV - Details and Price

[O-3]

I AM WINNAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I finally got my damn X1900XT to run at 1820x1024!!!

Running much more stable now as well as I'm not using ATITool and have moved to ATI Overclocker.

Thanks for eveyones help!

Glad you got it sorted Klone.

So what are you doing now, gaming , surfing the web, dvd's???

How good IS this thing when hooked up to a pc?

Any chance of some pics of desktops, dvd's etc??

Cheers

[KLoNe1503559836]

Glad you got it sorted Klone.

So what are you doing now, gaming , surfing the web, dvd's???

How good IS this thing when hooked up to a pc?

Any chance of some pics of desktops, dvd's etc??

Cheers

Well, at the moment, notihng for 2 reasons.

1. My DiNovo Media Desktop (Wireless Bluetooth Keybaord/Mouse) have died and I'm going through hell to get a new set from Logitech and bloody EB Games.

2. My HDD just stuffed up and can't actually get into Windows at all at the moment.

So can get pics etc when I sort that no. 2 out.

Now, onto another subject. Price.

Personally, I think I got possibly THE best price for this set at the moment in Australia. 62" ($6499RRP), Stand ($549 RRP), Delivery ($50). That comes to over $7k and getting it all for $4.8k is an absolutely gift from God.

My friend came upto me yesterday and asked me how much I paid for my set. I told her $4800 and she said,... oh,.. don't look at the JB Hifi catalogue, as your TV is quite a bit cheaper then that.

Could someone have a look for me and see what she was talking about, as I think it sounds quite absurd and I don't have the JB Hifi catalogue.

Thanks guys.

Chris

[Gladus Maximus]

My friend came upto me yesterday and asked me how much I paid for my set. I told her $4800 and she said,... oh,.. don't look at the JB Hifi catalogue, as your TV is quite a bit cheaper then that.

Could someone have a look for me and see what she was talking about, as I think it sounds quite absurd and I don't have the JB Hifi catalogue.

Thanks guys.

Chris

Hey KLoNe, I have never seen any Toshiba product in any JB HIFI. I think you will find she might have seen either a Samsung or an LG set. Heres a link to JB's suppliers.JB Suppliers

[Guest Sparky66]

Well, at the moment, notihng for 2 reasons.

1. My DiNovo Media Desktop (Wireless Bluetooth Keybaord/Mouse) have died and I'm going through hell to get a new set from Logitech and bloody EB Games.

2. My HDD just stuffed up and can't actually get into Windows at all at the moment.

So can get pics etc when I sort that no. 2 out.

Now, onto another subject. Price.

Personally, I think I got possibly THE best price for this set at the moment in Australia. 62" ($6499RRP), Stand ($549 RRP), Delivery ($50). That comes to over $7k and getting it all for $4.8k is an absolutely gift from God.

My friend came upto me yesterday and asked me how much I paid for my set. I told her $4800 and she said,... oh,.. don't look at the JB Hifi catalogue, as your TV is quite a bit cheaper then that.

Could someone have a look for me and see what she was talking about, as I think it sounds quite absurd and I don't have the JB Hifi catalogue.

Thanks guys.

Chris

Chris,

Well done on the price . That is a phenominal price ($4800 with stand and delivered) for the 62". I doubt it very much anyone can do any better on such a great TV - possibly the best HD 1080p set in OZ at the moment. When I purchased my 62" 62jm9ua Toshiba DLP(720p) over a year ago , the going great price was $6900 with stand and delivered. Goes to show how technology is advancing and getting cheaper for the mass market ! These are good times .

[KLoNe1503559836]

Thanks Gladus and Sparky

I'm pretty sure she is mistaken, just always a bad feeling when your not 100% sure.

[k1w1]

KLoNe,

You were right about the service at Sunnybank HiFi. Went there today and spoke to Chau, she was great. No overt sales pitch and very knowledgable about all her products.

I am 95% percent sure now i will purcase the Toshiba 72".

Can you give me a bit more detail on how you set up your x1900 with the custom resolution. Despite the argument going on in other threads of this forum, i am still keen on getting the x1600.

Were you able to do it with the ATI CCC or did you need to use powerstrip?

How much visible underscan do you have on the screen?

k1w1

[digitaladvisor]

I AM WINNAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I finally got my damn X1900XT to run at 1820x1024!!!

Running much more stable now as well as I'm not using ATITool and have moved to ATI Overclocker.

Thanks for eveyones help!

Klone,

Is this @ 1024p for underscan on a 1080p display or is this 1024i (interlaced) timings?

DA

[NevB]

KLoNe,

You were right about the service at Sunnybank HiFi. Went there today and spoke to Chau, she was great. No overt sales pitch and very knowledgable about all her products.

I am 95% percent sure now i will purcase the Toshiba 72".

Can you give me a bit more detail on how you set up your x1900 with the custom resolution. Despite the argument going on in other threads of this forum, i am still keen on getting the x1600.

Were you able to do it with the ATI CCC or did you need to use powerstrip?

How much visible underscan do you have on the screen?

k1w1

Hi k1w1,

What price did Sunnybank quote for the Toshi 72"?

[KLoNe1503559836]

KLoNe,

You were right about the service at Sunnybank HiFi. Went there today and spoke to Chau, she was great. No overt sales pitch and very knowledgable about all her products.

I am 95% percent sure now i will purcase the Toshiba 72".

Can you give me a bit more detail on how you set up your x1900 with the custom resolution. Despite the argument going on in other threads of this forum, i am still keen on getting the x1600.

Were you able to do it with the ATI CCC or did you need to use powerstrip?

How much visible underscan do you have on the screen?

k1w1

ATI CCC. Extremely simple. Just like nVidia's setup, just have to find it. You can set it up to fit exactly to your screen dimensions both X and Y. Very happy with it now. Drivers still aren't great though, But frames per second are

Klone,

Is this @ 1024p for underscan on a 1080p display or is this 1024i (interlaced) timings?

DA

It must be 1024i man, it's running at 30hz, it goes black when trying to run at 60hz. Or am I on the wrong track? :|

[Guest pjt]

Hi All

Just got one of these, 3 days now, all setup with a

LG 5100 STB DVi --->HDMI

Samsung DVD HD860 HDMI all the way

Fox IQ ---> component

So far I'm very happy with the picture quality "yes I know Foxtel does look **** but that's not the TV's fault".

I paid 6300 delivered with stand. This TV replaces my old 46" CRT RP which is now for sale.

Cheers

[k1w1]

NevB & others,

I have'nt negotiated a price yet, but she did mention she was in a position to throw the stand in no matter what price we negotiated. I think she must have got a deal from Toshiba with regard free stands.

Any way i will go and see her next and negotiate a package which will

include the Toshiba, HDMI switching amp/reciever and some new speakers.

Ultimately i am aiming toward an HTPC system that will playback Blueray/HD-DVD movies. All i need now is to wait for an x1600 HDMI/HDCP graphics card and a Blu-Ray reader that i won't have to go into a second mortgage for.

My only concern with this setup is that the HTPC will have to interlace the 1080p output to 1080i for the Toshiba, which will in turn convert to 1080p again. I am not sure how this will affect the quality of the final picture.

Anyway that is my understanding of what will need to happen.

My other concern is whether the x1600 will be upto the HD job. As i will not be sending 1080p to the Toshiba, i am lead to believe that the x1600 will cut the mustard. Could anybody tell me if i am on the right track.

Ta

k1w1

[simplelogik]

Hey guys, just want to let you know that Catalyst 6.5 Beta has finally support 1080i 25hz !!!

BTW does anyone here use WinDVD7 with Trimension DNM on the Toshiba in 1280x720 50Hz mode ??

I've basically given up with zoomplayer, ffdshow and various other filters. Just use WinDVD 7 because my eyes are telling me that this produce the sharpest and cleanest picture ..

[paul_c100]

Hi All

Just got one of these, 3 days now, all setup with a

LG 5100 STB DVi --->HDMI

Samsung DVD HD860 HDMI all the way

Fox IQ ---> component

So far I'm very happy with the picture quality "yes I know Foxtel does look **** but that's not the TV's fault".

I paid 6300 delivered with stand. This TV replaces my old 46" CRT RP which is now for sale.

Cheers

welcome to the club !

[paul_c100]

My only concern with this setup is that the HTPC will have to interlace the 1080p output to 1080i for the Toshiba, which will in turn convert to 1080p again. I am not sure how this will affect the quality of the final picture.

My experience with 1080p is via outputting a WindowsXP destop to the 72" TV and playing 1080p Windows Media HD demos via the same.

In relation to the windows desktop. I find this completely acceptable. It's clearly not as good as my Philips computer monitor running 1900x1200 resolution as far as text goes, but in terms of video / picture quality it leaves the Philips for dead. I can easily read text (file names etc) at 2-3 metres in regular font size.

In terms of WMV HD I can only say the picture quality is breathtaking. I think the reality is that if the TV could take 1080p then it would be slightly better, but, the upscaling of the 1080i image to 1080p on the Toshiba seems very good and I am not stressed about the awesome picture quality. Its possibly because I'm using HDMI inputs so the interlacing and deinterlacing is off a completely digital signal. I could be wrong, but perhaps there is not much signal loss when you are doing this all digital. I know the Tosbiba is all digital processing from the HDMI inputs.

Here are the Windows HD demos if anybody is interested : Here

[Owen]

Progressive sourced 1080i, is exactly the same resolution as 1080p once deinterlaced, and they should look identical on a 1080p display provided the displays deinterlacer is doing the right thing.

Deinterlacing of progressive sourced 1080i 50Hz content is very simple, so there is no reason why it cannot be done properly, although very few digital displays can manage it thus fare.

On an unrelated note, I had a look at the 65” 1080p Sharp AQUOS LCD flat panel yesterday at the Bing Lee Rhodes store.

It was running the Aquos HD loop from its own dedicated HD player.

Wow, what a disappointment. I can only hope that the source was sub standard, as the picture quality on this $26,000 display was VERY ordinary.

Viewed from 3 meters, there where a lot of distracting artifacts, and the image was no where near as detailed and sharp as I would have expected for a demo quality 1080i video source on a top quality 1080p display.

I can only hope that the Sharp demo HD player is the cause, although I cannot imaging why Sharp would provide a poor quality demo source for such an expensive TV.

The picture looked like heavily compressed 720p, not good quality 1080i.

As it stands, my old tec CRT RPTV is head and shoulders above the Sharp LCD for picture quality.

I have copies of Sony, Hitachi, Samsung, LG and Pioneer 1080i HD demo loops, and all look outstanding on my 57” CRT RPTV viewed from 2.5-2.8 meters, with none of the artifacts present on the Sharp LCD.

LCD and other digital display technologies do tend to accentuate compression artifacts, but the harsh digital looking pictures I saw on the Sharp, are completely unacceptable to me.

God I hope that the 65” 1080p Panasonic Plasma and 70” Sony SXRD don’t look like the Sharp, because I will not buy either if they do.

[paul_c100]

Progressive sourced 1080i, is exactly the same resolution as 1080p once deinterlaced, and they should look identical on a 1080p display provided the displays deinterlacer is doing the right thing.

Deinterlacing of progressive sourced 1080i 50Hz content is very simple, so there is no reason why it cannot be done properly, although very few digital displays can manage it thus fare.

On an unrelated note, I had a look at the 65” 1080p Sharp AQUOS LCD flat panel yesterday at the Bing Lee Rhodes store.

It was running the Aquos HD loop from its own dedicated HD player.

Wow, what a disappointment. I can only hope that the source was sub standard, as the picture quality on this $26,000 display was VERY ordinary.

Viewed from 3 meters, there where a lot of distracting artifacts, and the image was no where near as detailed and sharp as I would have expected for a demo quality 1080i video source on a top quality 1080p display.

I can only hope that the Sharp demo HD player is the cause, although I cannot imaging why Sharp would provide a poor quality demo source for such an expensive TV.

The picture looked like heavily compressed 720p, not good quality 1080i.

As it stands, my old tec CRT RPTV is head and shoulders above the Sharp LCD for picture quality.

I have copies of Sony, Hitachi, Samsung, LG and Pioneer 1080i HD demo loops, and all look outstanding on my 57” CRT RPTV viewed from 2.5-2.8 meters, with none of the artifacts present on the Sharp LCD.

LCD and other digital display technologies do tend to accentuate compression artifacts, but the harsh digital looking pictures I saw on the Sharp, are completely unacceptable to me.

God I hope that the 65” 1080p Panasonic Plasma and 70” Sony SXRD don’t look like the Sharp, because I will not buy either if they do.

the bizzare thing is that they will probably sell a few of these TV's because there are people out there that believe the hype that LCD is the 'best' display technology and that 65" is a huge screen and worth the cash. almost everybody I know believes RPTV is inferior to Plasma / LCD .. They are happily paying $5,000 + for a 50 inch 720p panel and sitting it on a stand on an entertainment unit ..

[digitaladvisor]

the bizzare thing is that they will probably sell a few of these TV's because there are people out there that believe the hype that LCD is the 'best' display technology and that 65" is a huge screen and worth the cash. almost everybody I know believes RPTV is inferior to Plasma / LCD .. They are happily paying $5,000 + for a 50 inch 720p panel and sitting it on a stand on an entertainment unit ..

No. Things are moving on @ rapid pace. As early adoptors like yourself you purchased a LCD RPTV @ 720p originally. But things are moving fast to 1080p native displays.

I am aware of price slashing of 50"/62" LCD 720p RPTV panels to below $3,000 @ some outlets in Brisbane as the newer RPTV "breeds" take over centre stage. But I have sighted some really bad ticketing methods at some stores where that mark it @ some 2004 retail price like $6,200 for 62" with a line through the ticket and being a WELL WORN old demo model!

The HDMI input will be eventually upgraded to accept 1080p resolutions proper rather then taking a interlaced 1080i source and reinterpreting into progressive on these native based 1080p displays.

I also recognise the fact that in most cases if the source of 1080i is film derived the progressive conversion will excellent anyway.

DA

[paul_c100]

No. Things are moving on @ rapid pace. As early adoptors like yourself you purchased a LCD RPTV @ 720p originally. But things are moving fast to 1080p native displays.

I am aware of price slashing of 50"/62" LCD 720p RPTV panels to below $3,000 @ some outlets in Brisbane as the newer RPTV "breeds" take over centre stage. But I have sighted some really bad ticketing methods at some stores where that mark it @ some 2004 retail price like $6,200 for 62" with a line through the ticket and being a WELL WORN old demo model!

The HDMI input will be eventually upgraded to accept 1080p resolutions proper rather then taking a interlaced 1080i source and reinterpreting into progressive on these native based 1080p displays.

I also recognise the fact that in most cases if the source of 1080i is film derived the progressive conversion will excellent anyway.

DA

Actually, I bought my 60" LG LCD after having a 61" Sony CRT Rear projection. I sold the Sony after working out that the CRT guns have a limited life and they cost about $1,000 per gun to replace. Multiply that by 3 (RGB) and I was looking at an expensive TV to maintain. Furthermore, the picture quality of the Sony CRT RP was nothing like the LG LCD. I know people say CRT is better than anything else, but I can't say I've seen a better CRT image (except for contrast). The LCD was brigher and more vibrant than CRT.

I may be a relatively early adopter, but only when the technology and the benefit is worth the price.

In relation to the HDMI inputs on these TV's, I suspect the lack of 1080p input is one of the two following reasons :

a) the manufactorers want to wait until 1080p sources are avaiable to ensure that they are compatible with the the 1080P inputs or,

the manufacturers wants to withhold 1080p input so when they can sell 1080p products in 12 months time as an 'upgrade' and make more money.

Maybe a combination of both ?

[Owen]

I was not aware that Sony ever sold a 61” HD CRT RPTV in Oz.

The largest HD model I aware of was 57”, and I was not very impressed with it, however I recon I could get one to outperform an LG LCD without much difficulty.

A good HD CRT RPTV properly set up, is way better then any of the digital RPTV’s for picture quality, and not just in black levels and contrast either.

They are however not suited to bright viewing environments.

If you ever saw what was possible with CRT rear projection, you would be truly amazed.

They can be far, far removed from the dull blurry monsters that almost everyone in Oz associates with CRT RPTV’s.

In the US where large CRT RPTV’s have been popular for many years, people pay to have an ISF calibration specialist come to there home and set up there CRT RPTV.

Without such specialist attention, which is not available here, CRT RPTV’s deliver the blurry misconverged images that people have come to expect from the breed.

My 57” CRT RPTV is as sharp and clear for 1080i video as my 1920x1200 LCD PC monitor, when viewed from an equalized distance of 4 times screen height.

If you have never seen a CRT RPTV that good, you have never seen a good one.

The RPTV is way ahead of the LCD for watching movies-video, due to its true blacks.

CRT tubes should last 10-20 years if not abused, so the running cost thing is a load of hot stuff.

All of this is pointless; as you can’t buy CRT RPTV’s any more.

My problem is that I can’t find anything worth upgrading to at any price.

The Sony SXRD’s and 65” 1080p Panasonic Plasma are the only options that have any promise, and they will no doubt have there shortcomings.

The next step in technology is years away.

[paul_c100]

I was not aware that Sony ever sold a 61” HD CRT RPTV in Oz.

The largest HD model I aware of was 57”, and I was not very impressed with it, however I recon I could get one to outperform an LG LCD without much difficulty.

A good HD CRT RPTV properly set up, is way better then any of the digital RPTV’s for picture quality, and not just in black levels and contrast either.

They are however not suited to bright viewing environments.

If you ever saw what was possible with CRT rear projection, you would be truly amazed.

They can be far, far removed from the dull blurry monsters that almost everyone in Oz associates with CRT RPTV’s.

In the US where large CRT RPTV’s have been popular for many years, people pay to have an ISF calibration specialist come to there home and set up there CRT RPTV.

Without such specialist attention, which is not available here, CRT RPTV’s deliver the blurry misconverged images that people have come to expect from the breed.

My 57” CRT RPTV is as sharp and clear for 1080i video as my 1920x1200 LCD PC monitor, when viewed from an equalized distance of 4 times screen height.

If you have never seen a CRT RPTV that good, you have never seen a good one.

The RPTV is way ahead of the LCD for watching movies-video, due to its true blacks.

CRT tubes should last 10-20 years if not abused, so the running cost thing is a load of hot stuff.

All of this is pointless; as you can’t buy CRT RPTV’s any more.

My problem is that I can’t find anything worth upgrading to at any price.

The Sony SXRD’s and 65” 1080p Panasonic Plasma are the only options that have any promise, and they will no doubt have there shortcomings.

The next step in technology is years away.

The Sony was not HD .. It was only SD .. I bought that TV for around $13,000 back in 1996 or something like that. Don't think HD was even thought of back then, certainly no Foxtel .. I am prepared to accept that the CRT can look good. But as you said, it's academic now cause you can't buy them new. I am not sure about the service life of the CRT tubes that you mentioned, I was told by the Sony service department that they will last much less than 10 years, but anyway if you think you can get 10-20 years, that's great.

I will be interested in seeing the Sony SXRD when it arrives in Australia and compare it against the Toshiba. I would be surprised if it's materially better than the Toshiba cause the image from the Toshiba is breathtaking already. I can't contemplate anything vastly better, it's that good until we move into higher definition HD. The only thing that I guess I could say is not 100% is the text quality from the Windows desktop. I'm not using the TV as a computer monitor so I don't really care. It would also be nice if it had picture in a picture and a digital tuner. But none of these affect the 99% use for me which is watching TV / DVDs.

[Gladus Maximus]

The Sony was not HD .. It was only SD .. I bought that TV for around $13,000 back in 1996 or something like that.

Arent these great times! Its hard to believe we can get a TV now with 3 times the PQ at half the price. Almost one third if you factor in inflation. Gota be happy with that

[digitaladvisor]

Hi Owen

You should post a bit more back drop to those fndings.

As Hitachi CRT - they looked very ordinary in floor shop display ...until you got your hands on one and optimised it for better results.

I believe its a catch, its not often until you get displays into your own home can you appreciate the quality - just wating for good material to be pumped into them.

Saw a DLP 62" LG whilst from a distance (over six meters) it looked stunning - BUT showed signs of major compression issues in the source @ close range. It's not the display.

Next to this was Panasonic 50" plasma playing an early Martix movie - the resultant DVD being played looked shocking - as bad a VCR quality.

But only at close range - 2 meters.

After auditing many displays I wonder how on earth anyone is going to get any accurate of assessment - If your seen better and know they should do better then what your seeing.

Many LCD potential purchasers would never buy a LCD based on a shop review anyway. It was not until they got one home and positioned in lower light situations did they appreciate what they are really like.

From what I've seen over the years - HD displays all look very ordinary on shop floors - even degrading the many sources they use to demostrate.

There is no dispute about black cut off - far too grey etc etc - Anyway I would never expect a rich contrast result on any display in a shop floor situation.

Some places go to alot of trouble in demos - but they are rare - even then many don't use any enhancement to sources and just trust interlaced component output / input to take up the "slack".

DA

[paul_c100]

Arent these great times! Its hard to believe we can get a TV now with 3 times the PQ at half the price. Almost one third if you factor in inflation. Gota be happy with that

Yes, absolutely ..

1994 - 50 inch Sony SD CRT RP 4:3 screen $10,000

1996 - 61 inch Sony SD CRT 4:3 screen - $13000

2002 - 61 inch LG HD (720p) 16:9 screen - $8,400

2006 - 72 inch Toshiba 1080p 16:9 screen - $7,000

Love the way its working ..

Who knows what I will be upgrading to in 5 years. I have a feeling I will be happy with this TV for longer than 5 years though ..

[pietro1503559499]

It's not quite true to say there are no CRT RPTV's on the market.

http://www.samsung.com/au/products/tv/rear...v/sp_47q5hl.asp

Whether youi would want it is of course another matter.

[Owen]

I am not sure about the service life of the CRT tubes that you mentioned, I was told by the Sony service department that they will last much less than 10 years, but anyway if you think you can get 10-20 years, that's great.

The reason Sony service people suggested a service life of less then 10 years is simply because most customers overdrive the tubes with excessive contrast levels. In fact, almost all CRT TV’s are delivered with the contrast set WAY to high, and most people never turn them down.

This amounts to abuse, as driving phosphor based displays hard, damages the phosphor, and causes premature ware. Driven at modest levels, CRT’s last a long, long time.

Plasma owners can also expect premature phosphor ware if they run very high contrast settings for years.

I will be interested in seeing the Sony SXRD when it arrives in Australia and compare it against the Toshiba. I would be surprised if it's materially better than the Toshiba cause the image from the Toshiba is breathtaking already. I can't contemplate anything vastly better, it's that good until we move into higher definition HD. The only thing that I guess I could say is not 100% is the text quality from the Windows desktop. I'm not using the TV as a computer monitor so I don't really care. It would also be nice if it had picture in a picture and a digital tuner. But none of these affect the 99% use for me which is watching TV / DVDs.

The Sony will not be hugely better then the Toshi DLP. Differences will be subtle, and may even go unnoticed by many.

The main advantages of the SXRD should be a smoother, quieter picture, without the dither noise generated by DLP and Plasma systems, and better shadow detail due to a perfect gamma curve.

Colour should be cleaner and free of dither artefacts as well as having a wider Gamut or range.

There should also be less digital artefacts like Posterization or clay face, and less motion blur, as SXRD chips are the next best thing to CRT or SED for speed.

The SXRD will also not suffer from rainbows, for the people that are affected by them on DLP systems.

All of these differences will be relatively subtle, but for some people they are important.

Personally, I don’t think the SXRD image will appeal to everyone, and many people will prefer the “POP” of a typical Plasma image over the smooth refined SXRD.

Sony could still screw up on the new model, but that is unlikely.

With any luck the third generation model we are getting will be a considerable advance over the current US model.