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I'm sure I voted no Burn. But at the time when the poll started I wonder if people put down retention as a vote as you did ask for but I would be very supprised if current Teac had Burn in Issues.
I interpreted your following statement to imply you had voted incorrectly. Based on what you are now saying I will put the summary back to 3 from 9 which is 33.3%. You may be correct in your assumptions but no one else has put there hand up that they made a mistake. The poll is not that difficult to vote on and I can only assume that people have voted correctly. I don't believe 3 out of 9 would get it wrong (Not on this forum anyway, the level of knowledge is just too high).
Where did it say Teac had 5 people that had Burn in?? I read 4 had NO burn in and 1 was image retention when the poll was not set up properly.

I would doubt if anybody had Burn in on the Teac (New Model)

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Hrm Pioneer used to be 5 "yes" and 10 "no", but now is 5 "yes" and 5 "no"?

What happened to the other 5 "nos". They haven't been converted to "yes", cos the yes's haven't changed!

Please explain. (said in very best Pauline Hanson imitation :blink: )

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Hrm Pioneer used to be 5 "yes" and 10 "no", but now is 5 "yes" and 5 "no"?

What happened to the other 5 "nos". They haven't been converted to "yes", cos the yes's haven't changed!

Please explain. (said in very best Pauline Hanson imitation :blink: )

That's a good one. I cannot remember ever seeing 10 "no" for the Pioneer.

Edit: It started out being 4 "yes" from 7 votes; On 15 Feb it was 5 "yes" from 8 votes; On 23 Feb it became 5 "yes" from 10 votes. Which is what it remains at today. Cheers

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UPDATED 27 February 2006 (9:12 AM Perth local time)

282 votes is actually 108 real votes.

Of the 108 legitimate votes, there were 31 (28.7%) with burn-in problems.

However, on a brand by brand, the results of displays that DO have burn-in problems are as follows

JB Hi Fi (0 of 1) - 0%

Phillips (0 of 1) - 0%

Samsung (0 of 1) - 0%

Hitachi (1 of 12) – 8.3%

Panasonic (3 of 28) – 10.7%

LG (2 of 11) – 18.2%

Fujitsu (5 of 16) – 31.3%

TEAC (3 of 9) – 33.3%

NEC (4 of 10) – 40.0%

Sony (1 of 2) - 50.0%

Pioneer (6 of 11) – 54.6%

Other (6 of 6) - Meaningless but have left it in the total.

Other (No) is certainly meaningless because it must be used to poll.

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UPDATED 7 March 2006 (10:55 PM Perth local time)

291 votes is actually 109 real votes.

Of the 109 legitimate votes, there were 31 (28.4%) with burn-in problems.

However, on a brand by brand, the results of displays that DO have burn-in problems are as follows

JB Hi Fi (0 of 1) - 0%

Phillips (0 of 1) - 0%

Samsung (0 of 1) - 0%

Hitachi (1 of 12) – 8.3%

Panasonic (3 of 28) – 10.7%

LG (2 of 11) – 18.2%

Fujitsu (5 of 16) – 31.3%

Sony (1 of 3) - 33.3%

TEAC (3 of 9) – 33.3%

NEC (4 of 10) – 40.0%

Pioneer (6 of 11) – 54.6%

Other (6 of 6) - Meaningless but have left it in the total.

Other (No) is certainly meaningless because it must be used to poll.

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UPDATED 10 March 2006 (7:40 AM Perth local time)

294 votes is actually 110 real votes.

Of the 110 legitimate votes, there were 31 (28.2%) with burn-in problems.

However, on a brand by brand, the results of displays that DO have burn-in problems are as follows

JB Hi Fi (0 of 1) - 0%

Phillips (0 of 1) - 0%

Samsung (0 of 1) - 0%

Hitachi (1 of 12) – 8.3%

Panasonic (3 of 29) – 10.3%

LG (2 of 11) – 18.2%

Fujitsu (5 of 16) – 31.3%

Sony (1 of 3) - 33.3%

TEAC (3 of 9) – 33.3%

NEC (4 of 10) – 40.0%

Pioneer (6 of 11) – 54.6%

Other (6 of 6) - Meaningless but have left it in the total.

Other (No) is certainly meaningless because it must be used to poll.

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If you're looking for 'statistical validity' in this poll, unfortunately you'll never find it.

The major reason is that the sample on this forum is completely unrepresentative of the total population. This forum is by definition an AV enthusiast forum, and that brings with it some oddities:

- people here are far more sensitive to identifying things like 'burn in' - even extremely mild cases which may go unnoticed by others.

I disagree. These people are better qualified to ask/vote/comment than anyone else. They know what "burn in" truly is.
- the more expensive/better quality panels are over-represented here, because as enthusiasts more of us are likely to have done some research and/or asked questions here before buying and thus bought the better ones.
That is exactly the sample I want to see here. If anything it should make the numbers lower than they really are. Yet the numbers turning up are a cause for concern.
- people here have particular batches of plasmas; for example there are a lot of early adopters and hence they have the earlier releases of a plasma series. Or they all went out and bought at around the same time due to being aware of price drops at particular points in time.
I do agree with this point. It is quite possible that earlier generations of plasmas were more prone to burn in.
- there is no guarantee at all that people are voting accurately. That is, some people who don't own a plasma, or own another brand, may be voting randomly or mischievously to bump up the burn-in rate of a particular plasma.
There is never any gurantee that any poll is accurate. I/you could argue the same about telephone polls or gallop polls predicting government voting. They are often proven more wrong than right.
- the poll itself is very confusing, and involves multiple stages with far more margin for error.
I don't find it confusing and I don't think many of those that voted find it confusing. There have not been many comments stating that is the case anyway.
So this poll really isn't as valid, since the Pioneer, Panasonic and Fuji owners are probably both over-represented and more likely to be sensitive to even the midlest or tiniest bit of burn-in or longer term image retention.
Good, those are the people I want to see vote.
Not to mention those who dislike other brands and who may have voted to bump up their burn-in results.
That is not possible; the system only lets you vote once. That would lower the stats on their own plasmas and I disagree that people would want to disadvantage their own favourites. Don't look for the bad in people, look for the good. :P:blink::P
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UPDATED 14 March 2006 (7:32 AM Perth local time)

309 votes is actually 116 real votes.

Of the 116 legitimate votes, there were 34 (29.3%) with burn-in problems.

However, on a brand by brand, the results of displays that DO have burn-in problems are as follows

JB Hi Fi (0 of 1) - 0%

Phillips (0 of 1) - 0%

Samsung (0 of 1) - 0%

Hitachi (1 of 13) – 7.7%

Panasonic (4 of 30) – 13.3%

Sony (1 of 4) - 25.0%

LG (4 of 13) – 30.8%

Fujitsu (5 of 16) – 31.3%

TEAC (3 of 9) – 33.3%

NEC (4 of 10) – 40.0%

Pioneer (6 of 12) – 50.0%

Other (6 of 6) - Meaningless but have left it in the total.

Other (No) is certainly meaningless because it must be used to poll.

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UPDATED 28 March 2006 (8:00 AM Perth local time)

318 votes is actually 118 real votes.

Of the 118 legitimate votes, there were 35 (29.7%) with burn-in problems.

However, on a brand by brand, the results of displays that DO have burn-in problems are as follows

JB Hi Fi (0 of 1) - 0%

Phillips (0 of 1) - 0%

Samsung (0 of 1) - 0%

Hitachi (1 of 13) – 7.7%

Panasonic (4 of 30) – 13.3%

Sony (1 of 5) - 20.0%

LG (4 of 13) – 30.8%

Fujitsu (5 of 16) – 31.3%

TEAC (3 of 9) – 33.3%

NEC (4 of 10) – 40.0%

Pioneer (7 of 13) – 53.9%

Other (6 of 6) - Meaningless in terms of brand name but have left it in the total.

Other (No) is certainly meaningless because it must be used to poll.

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I have a Pio 436 and have issues with teh side bars being brighter than the middleof the screen. We only noticed this after the unit had been in use for a couple of months.There is also a very slight burnin of the channel 9 logo after watching teh cricket over christmas. Both problems are only realy prevalent when a light colour is on screen.

we contacted Pio and they sent out a tech to have a look - he stated it was definately visible but should dissapear in time. We gave it 2 more weeks but no change so we contacted Pio and they are sending out a new panel next week!

So while it was dissappointing to have the panel not perfect at least they are replacing it for us and have been very helpful and understanding whenever we have contacted them

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Well, I've had my replacement Pioneer 506 panel for three weeks now (replaced due to a dead pixel), and like my other 506 I have had no burn in problems with this one either.

So feel free to edit the poll with another no for pio Lyle. :blink:

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Well, I've had my replacement Pioneer 506 panel for three weeks now (replaced due to a dead pixel), and like my other 506 I have had no burn in problems with this one either.

So feel free to edit the poll with another no for pio Lyle. :P

I would if I could :P , but I can't :blink: . Can edit what I've written but have no poll editing rights.
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UPDATED 29 March 2006 (9:30 AM Perth local time)

333 votes is actually 124 real votes.

Of the 124 legitimate votes, there were 38 (30.7%) with burn-in problems.

However, on a brand by brand, the results of displays that DO have burn-in problems are as follows

Phillips (0 of 1) - 0%

Hitachi (1 of 13) – 7.7%

Panasonic (4 of 31) – 12.9%

Sony (1 of 5) - 20.0%

Fujitsu (5 of 17) – 29.4%

LG (4 of 13) – 30.8%

TEAC (3 of 9) – 33.3%

NEC (4 of 11) – 36.4%

JB Hi Fi (1 of 2) - 50%

Samsung (1 of 2) - 50%

Pioneer (8 of 14) – 57.1%

Other (6 of 6) - Meaningless in terms of brand name but have left it in the total.

Other (No) is certainly meaningless because it must be used to poll.

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Yes and bad. Hitachi 42" PD7800TA.

The problem is a pink or magenta hue in 4:3 format beneath a 16:9 format.

Causes..........consistent viewing of a normal picture on Foxtel or Austar in 4:3 format with black side bars.

Solution..........according to the reply I got from Hitachi............NON!

Screen wipe does not solve it.

Anybody got any solutions let me know(Apart from trashing the set) :blink:

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UPDATED 3 April 2006 (12 Noon Perth local time)

357 votes is actually 131 real votes.

Of the 131 legitimate votes, there were 41 (31.1%) with burn-in problems.

However, on a brand by brand, the results of displays that DO have burn-in problems are as follows

Phillips (0 of 1) - 0%

Panasonic (4 of 31) – 12.9%

Hitachi (2 of 15) – 13.3%

Sony (1 of 5) - 20.0%

Fujitsu (5 of 18) – 27.8%

NEC (4 of 13) – 30.8%

Samsung (1 of 3) - 33.3%

TEAC (3 of 9) – 33.3%

LG (5 of 14) – 35.7%

JB Hi Fi (1 of 2) - 50%

Pioneer (8 of 14) – 57.1%

Other (7 of 7) - Meaningless in terms of brand name but have left it in the total.

Other (No) is certainly meaningless because it must be used to poll.

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UPDATED 5 April 2006 (11:30 Perth local time)

360 votes is actually 133 real votes.

Of the 133 legitimate votes, there were 41 (30.8%) with burn-in problems.

However, on a brand by brand, the results of displays that DO have burn-in problems are as follows

Phillips (0 of 1) - 0%

Panasonic (4 of 32) – 12.5%

Hitachi (2 of 15) – 13.3%

Sony (1 of 5) - 20.0%

Fujitsu (5 of 18) – 27.8%

NEC (4 of 13) – 30.8%

Samsung (1 of 3) - 33.3%

TEAC (3 of 9) – 33.3%

LG (5 of 14) – 35.7%

JB Hi Fi (1 of 2) - 50%

Pioneer (8 of 14) – 57.1%

Other (7 of 7) - Meaningless in terms of brand name but have left it in the total.

Other (No) is certainly meaningless because it must be used to poll.

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UPDATED 11 April 2006 (19:15 Perth local time)

363 votes is actually 134 real votes.

Of the 134 legitimate votes, there were 41 (30.8%) with burn-in problems.

However, on a brand by brand, the results of displays that DO have burn-in problems are as follows

Phillips (0 of 1) - 0%

Panasonic (4 of 33) – 12.1%

Hitachi (2 of 15) – 13.3%

Sony (1 of 5) - 20.0%

Fujitsu (5 of 18) – 27.8%

NEC (4 of 13) – 30.8%

Samsung (1 of 3) - 33.3%

TEAC (3 of 9) – 33.3%

LG (5 of 14) – 35.7%

JB Hi Fi (1 of 2) - 50%

Pioneer (8 of 14) – 57.1%

Other (7 of 7) - Meaningless in terms of brand name but have left it in the total.

Other (No) is certainly meaningless because it must be used to poll.

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UPDATED 12 April 2006 (12:15 Perth local time)

366 votes is actually 135 real votes.

Of the 135 legitimate votes, there were 41 (30.4%) with burn-in problems.

However, on a brand by brand, the results of displays that DO have burn-in problems are as follows

Phillips (0 of 1) - 0%

Panasonic (4 of 33) – 12.1%

Hitachi (2 of 16) – 12.5%

Sony (1 of 5) - 20.0%

Fujitsu (5 of 18) – 27.8%

NEC (4 of 13) – 30.8%

Samsung (1 of 3) - 33.3%

TEAC (3 of 9) – 33.3%

LG (5 of 14) – 35.7%

JB Hi Fi (1 of 2) - 50%

Pioneer (8 of 14) – 57.1%

Other (7 of 7) - Meaningless in terms of brand name but have left it in the total.

Other (No) is certainly meaningless because it must be used to poll.

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Would the 14 Pioneer Plasma owners care to PM me and tell me which Pioneer (versions and size) they purchased?

Would the 8 with "Burn In" problems also PM me information about the problem? Things I am interested in is severity and whether it was able to be removed, how much it bothers you etc.?

I am happy to keep this confidential if you wish!

Lyle

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UPDATED 26 April 2006 (10:00 Perth local time)

375 votes is actually 137 real votes.

Of the 137 legitimate votes, there were 41 (30.4%) with burn-in problems.

However, on a brand by brand, the results of displays that DO have burn-in problems are as follows

Phillips (0 of 1) - 0%

Panasonic (4 of 33) – 12.1%

Hitachi (2 of 16) – 12.5%

Sony (1 of 5) - 20.0%

Fujitsu (5 of 18) – 27.8%

NEC (4 of 13) – 30.8%

Samsung (1 of 3) - 33.3%

TEAC (3 of 9) – 33.3%

JB Hi Fi (1 of 3) - 33.3%

LG (5 of 15) – 33.3%

Pioneer (8 of 14) – 57.1%

Other (7 of 7) - Meaningless in terms of brand name but have left it in the total.

Other (No) is certainly meaningless because it must be used to poll.

I have only had one reply to the following:

Would the 14 Pioneer Plasma owners care to PM me and tell me which Pioneer (versions and size) they purchased?

Would the 8 with "Burn In" problems also PM me information about the problem? Things I am interested in is severity and whether it was able to be removed, how much it bothers you etc.?

I am happy to keep this confidential if you wish!

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UPDATED 5 May 2006

Hurray - Finally got some more Pioneer votes!

384 votes is actually 140 real votes.

Of the 149 legitimate votes, there were 41 (29.3%) with burn-in problems.

However, on a brand by brand, the results of displays that DO have burn-in problems are as follows

Phillips (0 of 1) - 0%

Panasonic (4 of 33) – 12.1%

Hitachi (2 of 16) – 12.5%

Sony (1 of 5) - 20.0%

Fujitsu (5 of 18) – 27.8%

TEAC (3 of 10) – 30.0%

NEC (4 of 13) – 30.8%

Samsung (1 of 3) - 33.3%

JB Hi Fi (1 of 3) - 33.3%

LG (5 of 15) – 33.3%

Pioneer (8 of 16) – 50.0%

Other (7 of 7) - Meaningless in terms of brand name but have left it in the total.

Other (No) is certainly meaningless because it must be used to poll.

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UPDATED 18 May 2006

I still don't believe the Pioneer votes!

393 votes is actually 143 real votes.

Of the 143 legitimate votes, there were 41 (28.7%) with burn-in problems.

However, on a brand by brand, the results of displays that DO have burn-in problems are as follows

Phillips (0 of 1) - 0%

Hitachi (2 of 18) – 11.1%

Panasonic (4 of 34) – 11.8%

Sony (1 of 5) - 20.0%

Fujitsu (5 of 18) – 27.8%

TEAC (3 of 10) – 30.0%

NEC (4 of 13) – 30.8%

Samsung (1 of 3) - 33.3%

JB Hi Fi (1 of 3) - 33.3%

LG (5 of 15) – 33.3%

Pioneer (8 of 16) – 50.0%

Other (7 of 7) - Meaningless in terms of brand name but have left it in the total.

Other (No) is certainly meaningless because it must be used to poll.

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Would the 14 Pioneer Plasma owners care to PM me and tell me which Pioneer (versions and size) they purchased?

Would the 8 with "Burn In" problems also PM me information about the problem? Things I am interested in is severity and whether it was able to be removed, how much it bothers you etc.?

I am happy to keep this confidential if you wish!

Lyle

I'm not one of the 14, but can contribute here. Not sure whether to vote yes or no, given the following...

Got the 436 last November, and within the first week had a (very) slight retained image of the nine watermark from the cricket. Nearly exploded with rage, thought about nasty things to do to channel 9 etc. By the time I'd cooled down, they'd changed their logo to a (bigger and) more transparent version. In the meantime, the retained image has completely disappeared (actually only took about 1 month to disappear - and this was while the panel was basically brand new).

I notice now that the info panel at the bottom of the screen during "Today" (Jessica Rowe, just give up trying to be well liked...), or at least the word Today can be retained ever so slightly at the start of the ad break, but is gone by the end of it.

All in all, I was shitting broken glass that I'd done the wrong thing buying a new release (read: expensive) pioneer (read: expensive) plasma (read: dying tech). But now, I honestly think I did the right thing. The picture is absolutely fantastic in all levels of light: from dark brooding scenes in an arthouse flick, through to bright, rapid sports action, it really is just beautiful.

And don't worry about keeping this confidential. :blink:

Cheers,

Aaron.

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