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Ooh, thanks for that info BLACKLR - I'm going to go there and have a look at it today.

We also have the MW60 - It was only last week we gave up on our store credit with Beta Electrical; the store in Richmond where we got out MW60 from is absolutely useless. We told LG the problems we have been having with the manager there, and Trudy said she'd organise a cheque instead. She got back to us not long after saying its all been approved and we'll have it within 4 weeks (does this seem a bit ambitious?)..

Is there any more feedback on this unit. I would like to here from anybody who has recently purchased one.

Had another look at the unit today and was not too impressed by the quality of the picture when showing free to air. It was showing the 7 HD loop and the picture seemed very grainy. I am not to sure if it was calibrated correctly. Next time I go in I will ask to have another set top box connected to determine if it is the built-in tuner.

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Nothing will make the 7 HD (if you can call it that) loop look anything other then crap.

On a really big screen viewed up close it’s going to look disgusting, and no where near as good a decent DVD.

1080i is so much better its insane.

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Nothing will make the 7 HD (if you can call it that) loop look anything other then crap.

On a really big screen viewed up close it’s going to look disgusting, and no where near as good a decent DVD.

1080i is so much better its insane.

Owen,

Appreciate your feedback and I am aware the HD loop is not 1080i, but when I went through other channels the quallity was also grainy. I had my 12 year old son (they say kid can be good judges) with me and he also noticed the imperfection.

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Got ours today - I'm no perfectionist by all means, and yes I do find free to air to be a bit grainy on the set (close up), but when I sit back on the couch I find it much better than the old MW60 - as for DVD's and the computer - I'm extremely happy with it. I watched a few shows that have some really dark scenes, that on the MW60 I could never see what was happening, and I was amazed!! The blacks are much black(er..) and the whites are white :blink: The contrast in dark scenes is soo much better than what i'm used to.

I'm no TV pro, I just like what I see, alot.

I'm also the type of person who likes size over quality, and at 180cm this set does a great job at both :P

For previous owners of the MW60, some differences are (other than technology, picture quality):

It turns on heaps faster than the MW60, and if you turn it off (accidentally) you can turn it back on straight away without having to wait for it to turn off..(it doesn't ask if you want to turn it off like the MW60 did)

The old remote also works with this set, minus a few buttons.

Its 40cm wider, and pretty much the same depth.

Selecting input is a bit more time consuming, you can either go through the Menu to select primary input, or press Input... (to go from digital TV to RGB, you have to go through AV1, AV2, AV3, Component1, Component2, each time it takes a few seconds..)

btw, the stand that comes with this set takes around an hr to build, and is easy to do with pretty good instructions.

All in all, i'm very happy with the buy, considering it was 'free', and we have a grand left over.

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Got ours today - I'm no perfectionist by all means, and yes I do find free to air to be a bit grainy on the set (close up), but when I sit back on the couch I find it much better than the old MW60 - as for DVD's and the computer - I'm extremely happy with it. I watched a few shows that have some really dark scenes, that on the MW60 I could never see what was happening, and I was amazed!! The blacks are much black(er..) and the whites are white :blink: The contrast in dark scenes is soo much better than what i'm used to.

I'm no TV pro, I just like what I see, alot.

I'm also the type of person who likes size over quality, and at 180cm this set does a great job at both :P

For previous owners of the MW60, some differences are (other than technology, picture quality):

It turns on heaps faster than the MW60, and if you turn it off (accidentally) you can turn it back on straight away without having to wait for it to turn off..(it doesn't ask if you want to turn it off like the MW60 did)

The old remote also works with this set, minus a few buttons.

Its 40cm wider, and pretty much the same depth.

Selecting input is a bit more time consuming, you can either go through the Menu to select primary input, or press Input... (to go from digital TV to RGB, you have to go through AV1, AV2, AV3, Component1, Component2, each time it takes a few seconds..)

btw, the stand that comes with this set takes around an hr to build, and is easy to do with pretty good instructions.

All in all, i'm very happy with the buy, considering it was 'free', and we have a grand left over.

Adamantium, I know you say you're not a 'perfectonist' or 'TVpro' , but have you had a go a dialling in the set's picture settings yet? ie setting sharpness, contrast and brightness correctly. I wouldn't be surprised if LG set the sharpness poorly out of the box which would make FTA digital look pretty average on it. I take it you are using the built in HD tuner to look at the likes of 9 digital free to air? Checked out any CSI in HD yet? It's probably one of the better bits of FTA HD you can check out. I'm super curious about the black levels. Hmmm, unfortunately comparing against your old MW60 is not going to tell me a great deal about the new LCOS's capabilities as it's not terrribly hard to do black better than an LCD rearpro. You probably haven't seen a Sony VPL projector in action, but that would give you a good comparison for black levels using SXRD/LCOS.

Geez I'm getting tired of waiting for the LG to arrive locally so I could see it for myself...

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Adamantium, I know you say you're not a 'perfectonist' or 'TVpro' , but have you had a go a dialling in the set's picture settings yet? ie setting sharpness, contrast and brightness correctly. I wouldn't be surprised if LG set the sharpness poorly out of the box which would make FTA digital look pretty average on it. I take it you are using the built in HD tuner to look at the likes of 9 digital free to air? Checked out any CSI in HD yet? It's probably one of the better bits of FTA HD you can check out. I'm super curious about the black levels. Hmmm, unfortunately comparing against your old MW60 is not going to tell me a great deal about the new LCOS's capabilities as it's not terrribly hard to do black better than an LCD rearpro. You probably haven't seen a Sony VPL projector in action, but that would give you a good comparison for black levels using SXRD/LCOS.

Geez I'm getting tired of waiting for the LG to arrive locally so I could see it for myself...

I haven't yet, and honestly I wouldn't know what to change them to (any suggestions? or links on how to set it correctly? anyone in the northern melbourne suburbs wanna give it a try for me?lol)

Yeah, that was viewing it on the inbuilt tuner - I haven't seen any HD CSI yet i'll look out for it.

Nope, I haven't seen a Sony VPL projector in action - and only side-by-side could I actually remember/notice a difference probably lol

Sorry I couldn't help more!!

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Nothing will make the 7 HD (if you can call it that) loop look anything other then crap.

On a really big screen viewed up close it’s going to look disgusting, and no where near as good a decent DVD.

1080i is so much better its insane.

I have examined the 7HD loop in question and I have observed almost a three quality tier results with it...

1. With some HD STBs the quality via ANY output is appalling.

2. With differing models it can be slightly better.

3. HTPC derived with Cyberlink 6 codec - pixelation lifts off like a scale.

Conclusion: Native output helps and decode method must help greatly in subjective result. I would have thought that some digital panels were the culprit along with the bit rate etc etc - I don't think so with my new 20/20 + eye sight now. :blink:

DA

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I haven't yet, and honestly I wouldn't know what to change them to (any suggestions? or links on how to set it correctly? anyone in the northern melbourne suburbs wanna give it a try for me?lol)

Yeah, that was viewing it on the inbuilt tuner - I haven't seen any HD CSI yet i'll look out for it.

Nope, I haven't seen a Sony VPL projector in action - and only side-by-side could I actually remember/notice a difference probably lol

Sorry I couldn't help more!!

I'm afraid with a brand new set like the LG, you're on your own with dialling it, that is as far as tips go since it seems no one else out there seems to have one yet :blink: .

The thing you could do and I seriously recommend it over just 'playing around' with the settings, is to pick up a copy of Digital Video Essentials. You'd probably find a copy a JB hifi or it may be easier to just order it from sanity, either online or via a local store : Link. This DVD will take you right through in plain english, as a 'no experience necessary' guide in how to dial in your system. Beyond that, if you get keen then you could get a skilled calibrator in to proform a service level calibration of your set. Aaron from AVICAL is actually based in VIC and is highly regarded here for his calibration work Check out his website for more info:Link. Even if you don't think you're descerning of picture display quality, I can guarantee you'll be happy with the results of a pro calibration, pretty much regardless of what display type it's done on. It's pretty hard to live with a factory display once you've seen difference calibration makes.

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I'm afraid with a brand new set like the LG, you're on your own with dialling it, that is as far as tips go since it seems no one else out there seems to have one yet :blink: .

The thing you could do and I seriously recommend it over just 'playing around' with the settings, is to pick up a copy of Digital Video Essentials. You'd probably find a copy a JB hifi or it may be easier to just order it from sanity, either online or via a local store : Link. This DVD will take you right through in plain english, as a 'no experience necessary' guide in how to dial in your system. Beyond that, if you get keen then you could get a skilled calibrator in to proform a service level calibration of your set. Aaron from AVICAL is actually based in VIC and is highly regarded here for his calibration work Check out his website for more info:Link. Even if you don't think you're descerning of picture display quality, I can guarantee you'll be happy with the results of a pro calibration, pretty much regardless of what display type it's done on. It's pretty hard to live with a factory display once you've seen difference calibration makes.

Thanks alot for the links and advice :P

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Thanks alot for the links and advice :blink:

No probs, really want to see you get the full capability out of the set. It's great technology from what I've experienced with the Sony versions, so hopefully the LG will deliver a similarly excellent image quality :P .

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Thanks alot for the links and advice :blink:

Adamantium, do you have the old Digitec Settop box that you got with the MW60. If so, can you hook this up and do a test to determine if the picture is any better for FTA.

Also, I do agree, when viewing some of the dark scenes on the LCOS they do appear to be a lot clearer. You can actually make out the scene.

I was also very very impressed when I viewed some still shots. In one shot, I almost found it difficult to make out the difference between the still photo (large black background) and the boarder of the unit.

As the owner of the MW60 who is also awaiting the refund process, I am not yet sold on this unit. As with you, the size is great and it will look great in place of the MW60.

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Adamantium, do you have the old Digitec Settop box that you got with the MW60. If so, can you hook this up and do a test to determine if the picture is any better for FTA.

Also, I do agree, when viewing some of the dark scenes on the LCOS they do appear to be a lot clearer. You can actually make out the scene.

I was also very very impressed when I viewed some still shots. In one shot, I almost found it difficult to make out the difference between the still photo (large black background) and the boarder of the unit.

As the owner of the MW60 who is also awaiting the refund process, I am not yet sold on this unit. As with you, the size is great and it will look great in place of the MW60.

I had a look through the old digitec stb, didn't notice any difference. I really have no problem watching FTA on this set from where we sit. I watched CSI and a few other shows last night and really enjoyed it.

btw, offtopic but whats the best way to view foxtel digital? Is there a way to view it component? or anything better than composite.. Its watchable, but...

How much did you buy it for Adamantium?

$8200, with stand, delivered.

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According to Aaron from Avical, the DVE DVD is not designed to calibrate digital displays, it's for direct-view CRTs.

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According to Aaron from Avical, the DVE DVD is not designed to calibrate digital displays, it's for direct-view CRTs.

So why does it say on their website:

"We are experienced in the Calibration of all modern Display technologies including LCD, DLP, Plasma and CRT from major manufacturers. We also specialise in the setup and optimisation of CRT front projectors."

or is that totally unrelated to what you just said?

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According to Aaron from Avical, the DVE DVD is not designed to calibrate digital displays, it's for direct-view CRTs.

There are actually different pluge patterns that are recommended when you watch DVE for digital displays and projectors. It still contains the ramps patterns which are very useful for setting up a display. I would not call using DVE's patterns to adjust the standard settings on a display a calibration though as you are not measuring the display for accuracy, just setting levels by eye. I know Luke from VDC uses the patterns on DVE Pro for digital projector calibration in conjunction with his measuring equipment, which from memory is the same as Aaron's. I lifted this from Joe Kane's FAQ (DVE's producer) regarding DVE and digital devices vs the old Video Essentials which wasn't suited to digital displays:

"By properly using these new patterns in DVE it is far more effective in helping you set up digital video devices than VE. The lecture notes will explain where most equipment manufacturers are missing many important points being made in our program."

So why does it say on their website:

"We are experienced in the Calibration of all modern Display technologies including LCD, DLP, Plasma and CRT from major manufacturers. We also specialise in the setup and optimisation of CRT front projectors."

or is that totally unrelated to what you just said?

Yeah Adamantium, he is referring to the DVE DVD itself. You're looking at Aaron's AVICAL website.

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Expensive relative to what??

How much would you expect to pay for a 70” 1080p display?

The Sharp 65” 1080p LCD costs $28k, and a comparable Plasma would cost near as much, if it existed.

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Expensive relative to what??

How much would you expect to pay for a 70” 1080p display?

The Sharp 65” 1080p LCD costs $28k, and a comparable Plasma would cost near as much, if it existed.

And he has it now!

I'd be happy to pay $8200 and be watching 70" LCoS goodness tonight!

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Expensive relative to what??

How much would you expect to pay for a 70” 1080p display?

The Sharp 65” 1080p LCD costs $28k, and a comparable Plasma would cost near as much, if it existed.

Relative to what's in the market of course.

Unless you HAVE TO have a 70" display - 8k is a bloody expensive price tag for a TV nowadays.

3 years ago when I paid $8.4k for my MW60 .... the market was either buy that or $10k for a 42" SD plasma or a few k's for a 76cm CRT

The market is choc-a-block with 3-4k of HD 42" plasmas .... $5-6k of 50" plasmas ..... 3k 50" RPTV's

So unless you REALLY REALLY need such a large display NOW - it is a bloody expensive price to pay for just a TV

I wouldn't pay anywhere near that price for a TV when I know in a year's time it's going to halve

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Expensive relative to what??

How much would you expect to pay for a 70” 1080p display?

The Sharp 65” 1080p LCD costs $28k, and a comparable Plasma would cost near as much, if it existed.

That's why no one is buying the sharp

And with a plasma - people are perfectly happy with a 50" plasma - if a 60" plasma is 1k more I'm sure people will be buying it - but not $5k more

I'm talking about relative to what else you can buy with that kind of money - $8k gets you 2 HD plasmas

If it was $5k it will be worth it.

But $8k for a 70" display that is 1080p - to watch 576p DVDs or SD TV and about 5% of 1080i Ch9 programming is a waste of money.

By the time HD-DVD becomes more mainstream and if/when networks start broadcasting 1080i/p material instead of "calling" 576p High Def .............. 1080p displays will be plentiful - plasmas, lcd, sed etc and at half that price.

If the rest of the equipment on the market were on average $10k then the price tag is justified ... but there's so many choices and 42" HD plasmas for $3-4k are bargains.

If you think about it, if you paid $3k for a HD plasma - it will no doubt be cheaper in a year's time - but you've still paid a fairly good price for it.

But if you spend $8k for this mammoth - in a year's time it's going to be obsolete no doubt - and will be selling for half that price - and the market will be flooded with many more 1080p displays and new technologies as well .... so you've basically wasted your money on something to be used for watching substandard sources.

$3k for a 42" plasma for general viewing .... and $5k for a 100" front projector for those cinema movie nights will get you a better setup for the same price.

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Relative to what's in the market of course.

Unless you HAVE TO have a 70" display - 8k is a bloody expensive price tag for a TV nowadays.

3 years ago when I paid $8.4k for my MW60 .... the market was either buy that or $10k for a 42" SD plasma or a few k's for a 76cm CRT

The market is choc-a-block with 3-4k of HD 42" plasmas .... $5-6k of 50" plasmas ..... 3k 50" RPTV's

So unless you REALLY REALLY need such a large display NOW - it is a bloody expensive price to pay for just a TV

I wouldn't pay anywhere near that price for a TV when I know in a year's time it's going to halve

My grandparents payed over $1000 for a 63cm TV (without remote) back in 1973, which is the equivalent of over $10,000 in today’s money.

Price is relative.

If you don’t want a 70” 1080p display, thats ok, buy something smaller and cheaper.

1080p front projectors cost a LOT more then $5k, and need a completely dark room.

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Considering I brought an inferior product 3 years ago, and just got 'given' a better, bigger set, and with a grand to spend on anything, I realllly dont mind :blink:

I don't care what digital tv is currently broadcast at, i'm watching the opening ceremony of the comm games on it and i'm really enjoying it.

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Check out the Toshiba SED. Then start saving and cry a lot.

Long live CRT technology it's the best.

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http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2006/03/21/1142703346701.html

Nano tv could be an interesting development

Plans are afoot to pilot test the world's first widescreen nano-TV following a recent pact between Applied Nanotech of the US and a Taiwanese manufacturer.

The nano-TV, which goes under the official title of Carbon Nanotube Television (CNT), is a next-generation display technology that its creators hope will deliver better picture quality than existing plasma and LCD TVs.

A letter of intent was signed yesterday between Applied Nanotech and Da Ling Co to form a joint venture with the aim of constructing a pilot line of the units.

The nano-TVs will be built with 60 to 100 inch diagonal screens and units are expected retail for $US1,300 ($1,800) when they hit full production. But first the technology must go through a series of trials that are scheduled to begin later this year or early next year.

The CNT is not the only new kid on the block when it comes to emerging display technologies. New surface-conduction electron-emitter displays (SED) were also recently unveiled by Canon and Toshiba to challenge existing TV technologies and the units are expected to go on sale in the fourth quarter of next year.

Like the nano-TV technology, the SEDs are believed to deliver clearer images with no "ghosting" because they are based on technology that is similar to traditional cathode-ray tube TVs.

The nano-TVs are also designed to be large and flat, and they deliver images to the display using carbon nanotubes with high thermal and electrical conductivity.

A 25-inch proof of concept was built last year by Applied Nanotech which the company said demonstrated sharper images than those currently observed in large LCD and plasma TVs .

"We expect CNT TVs to become the standard in large size flat panel displays," said Dr Zvi Yaniv, chief executive of Applied Nanotech.

Under the terms of their letter of intent, Da Ling and Applied Nanotech have until June 30, 2006 to finalise an agreement under which Da Ling will pay Applied Nanotech $1 million for delivering its CNT technology and know-how.

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