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Well after 12 months of stuffing around, will I won't I, reading this forum extensively I have finally done something! Just put $6000 in hard earned down on the following kit

Hitachi 42PD8800TA with 5yr warranty

LG 5402P HDSTB/160Gb PVR

Yamaha RXV659B receiver

Jamo 660 Fronts

Jame E6 centre

Jamo Sub 250 woofer

3X Jensen ceiling speakers for rear and sides.

I have a cheap yet effective DVD/VCR LG combo which is going to have to do me for some time.

The 8800 with 5 year warranty was $2950 according to the docket but as it was a package who can really say. Now the audiophiles on this forum may tutt tutt the choice of HT kit but being an average punter who has been using a el cheapo OTTB HT system for 5 years I can't wait to get it delivered. An enormous step forward in the home life of this little family in Melbourne.

Now busily trying to figure out the setup stuff although I do intend to get some cabling done so that person will probably direct me.

Question more properly for the HT forum but I will ask here anyway. Connection of all the video bits should classically be throught the receiver however a simple life might be had by plumming the video direct to the 8800. Certainly the HDSTB with HDMI out will plum into the 8800 direct. What thoughts on this weighty subject. I have read the HT FAQ thread and I am leaning towards a video direct to 8800 and digital audio to the AVR? Fors and against?

One very excited puppy.

BTW thanks so much to all the contributors to this forum. Without the expert input and real-life experience shared at this forum I would still be srcatching my head and probably have paid $1000 more than I did.

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Hey Peoples,

FINALLY have the Hitachi out of the box and installed at the new house... WOW! What a great unit, looks soo much better at home than it did in the shops... I'm only viewing via Aerial direct to the TV at the moment and stil get an awesome picture... Can't wait to see it when I pick up a HD STB! :blink:

Just one question, when in the run-in mode/stage, is it best to run the picture in 'Zoom' or 'Panoramic' etc. for the first 100-200 hrs or will this not matter?

Thanks for everybody's help! Very very pleased with the purchase!

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Hey Peoples,

FINALLY have the Hitachi out of the box and installed at the new house... WOW! What a great unit, looks soo much better at home than it did in the shops... I'm only viewing via Aerial direct to the TV at the moment and stil get an awesome picture... Can't wait to see it when I pick up a HD STB! :blink:

Just one question, when in the run-in mode/stage, is it best to run the picture in 'Zoom' or 'Panoramic' etc. for the first 100-200 hrs or will this not matter?

Thanks for everybody's help! Very very pleased with the purchase!

I only used zoom when there was black bars visible.

Full & Panoramic are fine. they also give you the better picture.

Cheers

Struggo

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Hi ppl,

Just have a worry in mind regarding to the burn in issue. Becuase I play quite a lot of PS2. How's the 8800 handle with the burn in issue? I know the Pana are very good in handle the burn in, what about the 8800? Are they as good as Pana or similar? Thanks for any advice !!

Also I can source one for $3100 in Domayne ($3400 with 19 mths interest free), is it good? Where else in Sydney I get a bargin??

cheers

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Hi ppl,

Just have a worry in mind regarding to the burn in issue. Becuase I play quite a lot of PS2. How's the 8800 handle with the burn in issue? I know the Pana are very good in handle the burn in, what about the 8800? Are they as good as Pana or similar? Thanks for any advice !!

Also I can source one for $3100 in Domayne ($3400 with 19 mths interest free), is it good? Where else in Sydney I get a bargin??

cheers

See this link

The Alis is good for reducing burn in, and the 8800 has several anti-burn in settings to help protect the panel. Image retention is always going to happen but burn in is rare.

Philip

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Hi ppl,

Just have a worry in mind regarding to the burn in issue. Becuase I play quite a lot of PS2. How's the 8800 handle with the burn in issue? I know the Pana are very good in handle the burn in, what about the 8800? Are they as good as Pana or similar? Thanks for any advice !!

Also I can source one for $3100 in Domayne ($3400 with 19 mths interest free), is it good? Where else in Sydney I get a bargin??

cheers

check this poll of lyle's

http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=30518&hl=

the hitachi are particualrly good temp image retention I think due to their alternate lighting system, unlike hte pio's and panas that had people complaing re logos burnt on etc during the sport over summer.

Never had any issues with my previous hitachi and no probs with my 8800 and watch sport and use with the xbox 360 etc.

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check this poll of lyle's

http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=30518&hl=

the hitachi are particualrly good temp image retention I think due to their alternate lighting system, unlike hte pio's and panas that had people complaing re logos burnt on etc during the sport over summer.

Never had any issues with my previous hitachi and no probs with my 8800 and watch sport and use with the xbox 360 etc.

I cannot Wait for the debut of Playstation 3....Its giving me irregula heart pulsation :blink:

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Just a quick question....

Anyone using the new Pioneer DV-696AVS upscaling DVD player with their Hitach 8800??

Theres been a bit of differing opinion about this dVd player.

I have been trying to track down a Panasonic s-97 but with no luck!!!!

I am now resigned to the fact that I cant get one.

So looking at the Pioneer....Dont know if I want to spend more and get the Marantz DV6600!!

Still loving this TV by the way...It keeps blowing me away with the picture quality...

I was amazed at how good Planet Earth looked on the ABC....

Cheers

Sunil.

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Just a quick question....

Anyone using the new Pioneer DV-696AVS upscaling DVD player with their Hitach 8800??

Theres been a bit of differing opinion about this dVd player.

I have been trying to track down a Panasonic s-97 but with no luck!!!!

I am now resigned to the fact that I cant get one.

So looking at the Pioneer....Dont know if I want to spend more and get the Marantz DV6600!!

Still loving this TV by the way...It keeps blowing me away with the picture quality...

I was amazed at how good Planet Earth looked on the ABC....

Cheers

Sunil.

i have tested my pioneer 989 avis @1080i via hdmi and can tell you the image quality is nothing short of breathtaking, through component the image seems just a tad softer.., though i uses my htpc for my 8800 and leave the 989 to the sony pj.....,

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i have tested my pioneer 989 avis @1080i via hdmi and can tell you the image quality is nothing short of breathtaking, through component the image seems just a tad softer.., though i uses my htpc for my 8800 and leave the 989 to the sony pj.....,

Delivery of my 8900 comes on Thursday (only 2 more sleeps). Have also purchased the LG twin HD tuner

160gb PVR and will set up using HDMI. I currenty have a Pioneer progresssive scan dvd player that i will connect via component. Do you thing if i get an upscaling dvd player using 1080i i will notice any difference in picture quality ? This is a raging debate i am having with friends and salesman. I am not sure if it worth upgrading or just wait for Blue Ray High Def.

What are your thoughts ?

Cheers Simon

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Delivery of my 8900 comes on Thursday (only 2 more sleeps). Have also purchased the LG twin HD tuner

160gb PVR and will set up using HDMI. I currenty have a Pioneer progresssive scan dvd player that i will connect via component. Do you thing if i get an upscaling dvd player using 1080i i will notice any difference in picture quality ? This is a raging debate i am having with friends and salesman. I am not sure if it worth upgrading or just wait for Blue Ray High Def.

What are your thoughts ?

Cheers Simon

well it certainly does not justify a $1000 upgrade, in relevance to the difference in image quality you will receive..., on a 42inch screen, differences are still minimal, thus i leave the pio 989 to my pj, as i do see a bigger difference when bypassing the internal scaler of the pj and inputting a 720p through hdmi via the pio 989, i say stick to your progressive pioneer dvd player for the time being, not to wait for the entry of bluray and hd dvd players as i think it will still be a good year, until we start seeing more of the next gen hd players, but simply put you will not see $1000 of difference in pic quality when upscaling on a 42inch screen....

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I am using the Pioneer 696 with my 8800 - so far I'm very pleased. I don't have upscaling turned on (only progressive via HDMI) because I don't see any point in going from 576p (ie, DVD) > 720p (ie, upscaled) > 1024x1024 (ie, native resolution of screen). If the DVD player upscaled to the native resolution of the screen, perhaps it would be worthwhile.

Not only do I theoretically not agree with upscaling on this screen, in testing the upscaling mode I didn't notice any improvement.

But otherwise the DVD player is great. The audio quality is excellent. They appear to be multi region out of the box, and they play virtually every DVD out there (the Pana S97 doesn't do DivX).

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I am using the Pioneer 696 with my 8800 - so far I'm very pleased. I don't have upscaling turned on (only progressive via HDMI) because I don't see any point in going from 576p (ie, DVD) > 720p (ie, upscaled) > 1024x1024 (ie, native resolution of screen). If the DVD player upscaled to the native resolution of the screen, perhaps it would be worthwhile.

Not only do I theoretically not agree with upscaling on this screen, in testing the upscaling mode I didn't notice any improvement.

But otherwise the DVD player is great. The audio quality is excellent. They appear to be multi region out of the box, and they play virtually every DVD out there (the Pana S97 doesn't do DivX).

Doesn't the Pio 696 upscale to 1080i ? And isn't the whole point of buying an upscaling dvd player is to match the resolution of the screen ? Interesting point on not noticing any difference in picture quality with upscaling or progressive scan because i almost bought the new LG 1080i upscaling DVD player but thought the difference in picture quality would be minimal.

Cheers Simon

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Not only do I theoretically not agree with upscaling on this screen, in testing the upscaling mode I didn't notice any improvement.

OK, you got me - what's your theoretical basis there?

And a point for our other readers who may not know better: DVD-Video that you buy/rent at a store is MPEG-2 and not DivX.

but simply put you will not see $1000 of difference in pic quality when upscaling on a 42inch screen....

I beg to differ on that point, as I do indeed see a clear difference upscaling DVDs from 576i to 1080i before sending to my 42PD8800TA over either HDMI or component connection. I notice an improvement with my STB as well.

It's up to each user to judge how much they're willing to pay for the improvement - some will pay around $3.5K for a DVDO VP30 scaler, whilst others are happy paying a few hundred extra for an upscaling DVD player or improved HTPC.

Each to their own.

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OK, you got me - what's your theoretical basis there?

And a point for our other readers who may not know better: DVD-Video that you buy/rent at a store is MPEG-2 and not DivX.

I beg to differ on that point, as I do indeed see a clear difference upscaling DVDs from 576i to 1080i before sending to my 42PD8800TA over either HDMI or component connection. I notice an improvement with my STB as well.

It's up to each user to judge how much they're willing to pay for the improvement - some will pay around $3.5K for a DVDO VP30 scaler, whilst others are happy paying a few hundred extra for an upscaling DVD player or improved HTPC.

Each to their own.

yes i also do see a difference, when scaling to 1080i, but the native vertical res of dvds is 576(pal), as so therefore all your are doing when upscaling you are not adding more information to the image. In fact on a high end high def display, their should be not percible difference on whether the dvd is sent via 576p, 720p, or 1080i, as the displays scaling circuitry inside should be on par or better than the dvd player (usually not the case), therefore i still think the improvement is minimal, maybe a little sharper (does depend on the processing also, my htpc denoises and sharpens, so yes i do get a cleaner and sharper picture), though i do swear by upscaling a dvd to my pj, as its scaling and deinterlacing is down right horrible,

However with a HDstb, the scaling does matter, infact it is vital, because if you leave the stb to output 720p, then you will be losing information from channel 9 and 10 hd sources (1080i), best to leave it to Auto feature, so it sends basically what it receives ( no loss in resolution)...

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I have been lucky enough to find some 8800's in stock in Melbourne...The salesman stated that he would be getting the 8900's within the next couple months.

If i haggle, am I likely to get an 8800 for less than $3000?? I will also be purchasing a HD STB.

The current price at the store is $3399 with the stand.

Regards

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yes i also do see a difference, when scaling to 1080i, but the native vertical res of dvds is 576(pal), as so therefore all your are doing when upscaling you are not adding more information to the image. In fact on a high end high def display, their should be not percible difference on whether the dvd is sent via 576p, 720p, or 1080i, as the displays scaling circuitry inside should be on par or better than the dvd player (usually not the case), therefore i still think the improvement is minimal, maybe a little sharper (does depend on the processing also, my htpc denoises and sharpens, so yes i do get a cleaner and sharper picture), though i do swear by upscaling a dvd to my pj, as its scaling and deinterlacing is down right horrible,

However with a HDstb, the scaling does matter, infact it is vital, because if you leave the stb to output 720p, then you will be losing information from channel 9 and 10 hd sources (1080i), best to leave it to Auto feature, so it sends basically what it receives ( no loss in resolution)...

Thanks for all the replies guys....

I might let my own eyes decide. Will see if I can talk one of the salesman into letting me buy one on the basis that if I notice no difference I will be allowed to return it...

Dont think at this stage I want to spend $1000 on a dvd player...I might just stick to the pioneer which is going for around $250.

Might try JB Hifi this weekend...

Cheers

Sunil.

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Hey guys I would like to thanks all of you for this thread, I am about to upgrade from my widescreen 70cm pana crt and i was going down the path to buying another pana (TH-42PV60A) until I came accross you guys and after reading all the post I have decided on a Hitachi 8800, I have looked at the PQ of both panels and I can not find much difference, so why the Hitachi, for starters it is better looking, has a remote control swivel stand but the main reason is I find you guys more passionate and helpfull towards each other than the pana guys on this forum.

So at lunchtime today with all the printouts on the Hitachi 8800 (cheapest quotes etc) I went into my local HN store, there it was the 8800 with a big sign on it saying 'madness sale' two days only Saturday and Sunday, the price on the ticket was $3,570 (on the panel was a sticker which read rrp $5,999) I asked the salesman was this this price with the extended 4 year warranty, he walked away, came back and said no this is the special price with only the manufacturers 1 year warranty, if I wanted an extra 4 years it would cost all up $4,100, I laughed at him and told him that the price was a joke, he pointed to the price on the panel which read $5,999 and told me that this was a huge discount, I told him that the price on the panel had probably been there for over a year and a half and yes it probaly was the price when this particular model first came out but not now and also this was superceded stock to the 8900, I then showed him the pages from this forum I had printed out with other peoples quotes, he then went back to his computer, spent 30 seconds on it then came back and said I could have it for $3,400 which included the extra 4 years warranty, I had saved myself by doing my homework $700, this was not a cash price either I told him I was putting it on my card.

Some poor person who has never read this forum will probably buy one for $3,570 over the weekend at the 'madness sale' and walk away thinking that they had saved themselves money from the rrp of $5,999.

So once again guys I thank you all for your passion and honesty in informing the likes of me that we do not have to pay the listed price, and by bringing to their attention that it can be bought cheaper elsewhere it gives us more chance of getting a bargain, I am now a proud owner of a 8800 and for once in my life I feel I have received a bargain and happy to part with my money. In the past I would have been happy if they had dropped the price by $50 and thrown in delivery for free, but deep down I would have still felt cheated.

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the main reason is I find you guys more passionate and helpfull towards each other than the pana guys on this forum.

ouch!

But I agree with your praise on this forum. Two years ago I bought my SD plasma and paid the full RRP. I only succeeded in getting the price lowered by reducing the 5 yrs Philips warranty to 3 yrs.

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this was not a cash price either I told him I was putting it on my card

Just so you know, credit cards, EFT and cash are generally treated the same by these big name retailers. Small computer stores may ask for a 2-3% surcharge but it doesn't apply here.

The main difference comes down to interest free purchases, where the retailer actually has to pay the credit company (usually GE finance) a fee for providing you with the 'interest free' credit. I may have some of the terminology wrong here, but essentially what I'm saying is that you did pay cash even though it might have been mastercard or whatever.

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30 seconds on it then came back and said I could have it for $3,400 which included the extra 4 years warranty, I had saved myself by doing my homework $700, this was not a cash price either I told him I was putting it on my card.

Hopefully I'll be able to get a similar deal. I'll be buying a HD top box and hope to get an extended warranty.

Part payment for the plasma will be by interest free.

I've heard that if you pay full price for extended warrantys the salesman pockets between 25-50% in commission. Can anyone confirm this??

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Just a quick update guys,

thanks to another forum member I have been able to track down a Panasonic s-97...

I had given up after not having much luck tracking one down in Sydney...

JB Hifi at Penrith were very helpful and are getting one in for me!!!

Will get it next week...Cant wait!!!!

Will report back when I get it.

This forum has been great!!!

Keep up the good work....

Cheers

Sunil.

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Just a quick update guys,

thanks to another forum member I have been able to track down a Panasonic s-97...

I had given up after not having much luck tracking one down in Sydney...

JB Hifi at Penrith were very helpful and are getting one in for me!!!

Can I ask why people are still hunting for the S97 when the new version, S52 is already released?

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Can I ask why people are still hunting for the S97 when the new version, S52 is already released?

Many owners of the s97 on this forum have commented on how good this player is...It is a great upscaling DVD player which has been sold out for less than half its RRP due to the new model. The new model is much more downmarket that the s97!!! I think Panasonic have gone much more mainstream with this one...cheaper components and circuitry...Thus RRP of $250 for new model...

The s97 had the Faroujda chipset which is said to produce excellent upscaling...Built very solid...

Only drawback on the s97 seems to be the lack of DivX compatability....

I am getting one for $250 but these things were costing more than $500 earlier this year!!!!

Cheers

Sunil.

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Upscaling DVD players are infact a little con.

$250 sound a good price NOW however once the HD DVD and Blu Ray hit the shelves in force your S97 will be landfill.

Now with HDMI the S97 has HDMI version 1.1. We are moving to 1.3 (a big improvement) by the end of the year.

This means more colours better sound blah blah blah.

The S97 will be like comparing black and white with colour.

Save your cash !

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Upscaling DVD players are infact a little con.

$250 sound a good price NOW however once the HD DVD and Blu Ray hit the shelves in force your S97 will be landfill.

Now with HDMI the S97 has HDMI version 1.1. We are moving to 1.3 (a big improvement) by the end of the year.

This means more colours better sound blah blah blah.

The S97 will be like comparing black and white with colour.

Save your cash !

From what I read about HD DVD and Blu Ray it will be quite a few years before they come down in price so that the average consumer can afford it...

Plus I would want to wait till they sort out all the bugs and problems before jumping in....

Already the Blu Ray camp have had major problems!!!!

In that time I will get great service out of my s97....

Then I'll be happy to fork out the money for these new formats!!!!

I remeber getting burned back when the DVD player was first introduced....Paid almost 2K for my player back then!!! Wont do that again....

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From what I read about HD DVD and Blu Ray it will be quite a few years before they come down in price so that the average consumer can afford it...

Plus I would want to wait till they sort out all the bugs and problems before jumping in....

Already the Blu Ray camp have had major problems!!!!

In that time I will get great service out of my s97....

Then I'll be happy to fork out the money for these new formats!!!!

I remeber getting burned back when the DVD player was first introduced....Paid almost 2K for my player back then!!! Wont do that again....

Sony PS3 is reportedly going on sale for A$1000.

Mind you are arent just buying a DVD player it has PC capabilities.

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Hi ppl,

After read all comments on the 8800, finally, I got myself one for

$3400 with 5 yrs warranty and 19 mths interest free. :blink:

Just wondering what should be careful for the first say 100-200 hrs?

What sort of setting (ie. contrast, color, etc...) should I set to the

first 100-200 hrs? B'cos I play a lot of PS2, what should I do to prevent

burn it or image retention? Thanks for any advices !!!!

cheers

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Upscaling DVD players are infact a little con.

$250 sound a good price NOW however once the HD DVD and Blu Ray hit the shelves in force your S97 will be landfill.

Now with HDMI the S97 has HDMI version 1.1. We are moving to 1.3 (a big improvement) by the end of the year.

This means more colours better sound blah blah blah.

The S97 will be like comparing black and white with colour.

Save your cash !

i think its a bit harsh to say that they are a con without giving any reason, mine does wonders on a 100 inch screen, just not so much on my 42inch..

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Let me guess GT...you purchased from Harvey Norman??

I was offered $3000 for the same TV and Interest free and also an extended(5 years) warranty. Problem was it was the display...

I ended up getting the Pana 42PV60A for $3350 w/19 months interest free and 5 year extended warranty.

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Hello all,

I am brand new to the forum here, but have been reading this thread for 4-5 months now.

Before I go to far, I just want to thank Ivalice for starting this and all of those who have contributed, it was a major factor in my decision to buy the 8800 8 weeks ago.

Im living in Singapore, and while they do not have HD broadcast released here yet (getting close), I still aquire a huge smile every time I sit down in front of this Hitachi! .....then when I turn it on!....if you own it, you know what Im talking about!

In the beginning of my search I debated between the Pana and Hitachi as many of you here did. However, and still to this day, I do believe the 8800 has one the best pictures, beautiful skin tones and the richest colors.

As I said earlier, I dont have an HD signal here, and really the absolute best I have seen is from my Sony HDV camcorder via HDMI, or from my pc using component. Still, watching SD DVD's is excellent to my eyes!

For those of you interested in prices, I bought it from HN here in Sing for S$3400 with 4 yr warranty and included a portable Hitachi DVD player w/7" LCD. Interest free for up to 12 months, I just did 6 (I dont like bills much) free delivery and setup by Hitachi reps.

In any case, I thought it was about time I shared some of my own experiences with the 8800 and look forward to hearing more of yours!

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Im living in Singapore, and while they do not have HD broadcast released here yet (getting close),

Well hopefully your local broadcasters will soon transmit some native 1080i content because that is where the 8800 truly excels. We often forget in Australia that a lot of countries don't even have digital TV yet let alone HDTV. We're too busy rueing just how far behind we are HDTV wise in relation to the US and Japan markets. As you probably read in the numerous threads here the Xbox 360 is a great match with the 8800 if you happen to be a gamer.

For those of you interested in prices, I bought it from HN here in Sing for S$3400 with 4 yr warranty and included a portable Hitachi DVD player w/7" LCD. Interest free for up to 12 months, I just did 6 (I dont like bills much) free delivery and setup by Hitachi reps.

That's not too bad....works out to around AUD2800 which would be an absolute bargain in Australia for what you got. Also nice to get the Hitachi reps to set it up for you too. I think Pioneer are the only ones who offer that service here in Oz.

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For those of you interested in prices, I bought it from HN here in Sing for S$3400 with 4 yr warranty and included a portable Hitachi DVD player w/7" LCD. Interest free for up to 12 months, I just did 6 (I dont like bills much) free delivery and setup by Hitachi reps.

You are so lucky, I bought mine last month from a Hitachi dealer at AMK (EverJoint) for S$3,925, only with 1 year warranty and no free gift :blink:

I did a video calibration; the optimal result is achieved at default settings but increased the TINT to +4. Also, for the power consumption, I did a measurement and found it draws about 1.45A (avg) at default setting, hence, consumes about 334W.

At ECO mode, the current drawn is 1A; or 230W only, a healthy 100W power saving! However, in this mode, the picture is too dim, I am unable to raise the brightness, did anyone mange to increase brightness in ECO mode? say thru service mode :D

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Hi, whats the best price i can expect to pay for the 8800?

Ive been trying to find a good 42 plasma for a while, its hard being that i live in nsw country area, 4 hrs from sydney. (Armidale)

Ive been looking at the net shops and ebay etc, and havent seen the 8800 anywhere, if someone could point me to a shop that has a good price it would be very helpful.

Thanks.

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Also nice to get the Hitachi reps to set it up for you too. I think Pioneer are the only ones who offer that service here in Oz.

The Hitachi reps also adjusted (for the first 100 hours of use) the settings for all the inputs I had hooked up, while answering all of my questions. They did a pretty good job, I have adjusted some things differently but most of them are right where the reps left it.

I probably have about ~60 hours on the set now, so maybe in a couple months I will make some more adjustments.

If anyone is interested in the settings the reps put in, let me know. I wrote them down shortly after and I know I have them somewhere at home.

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If anyone is interested in the settings the reps put in, let me know. I wrote them down shortly after and I know I have them somewhere at home.

Yeah I reckon a few of us would appreciate that. If for no other reason than to compare them with what we are currently using. Did they perform any kind of tests using your actual components to come up with these settings or did they just punch in pre defined settings that they brought with them for each input? Perhaps you could also mention what make and model your components are (e.g. DVD player)?

Thanks

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If anyone is interested in the settings the reps put in, let me know. I wrote them down shortly after and I know I have them somewhere at home.

I'd be interested in the settings too, as I've only had my 8800 up and running from probably no longer than 20-50hrs too! Would love to get my hands on the settings the hitachi reps put in during the 'run-in' period...

On another note, got my S97 DVD Player too... Never seen Shrek look soo good and detailed! I recommend ppl if they can find one, go for it, you won't be disappointed..

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The Hitachi reps also adjusted (for the first 100 hours of use) the settings for all the inputs I had hooked up, while answering all of my questions. They did a pretty good job, I have adjusted some things differently but most of them are right where the reps left it.

I probably have about ~60 hours on the set now, so maybe in a couple months I will make some more adjustments.

If anyone is interested in the settings the reps put in, let me know. I wrote them down shortly after and I know I have them somewhere at home.

Yes please, will be very appreciate !!

cheers

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