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Is the nine logo burn-in or just IR?? I would be surprised if it is proper burn in.

Yeah, it's the nine logo in the top right corner. It has dimmed a bit since it happened and should eventually be gone. As i said i'm not that concerned as i've had burn in like this before and it will eventually go away. I thought i would post the information because most people think burn-in is only a problem with new plasma's. When this happened i was at 2500 hours, so it can happen pretty much anytime. I don't think people need to worry as burn-in doesn't seem like it's permanent. Every case i've had of it has eventually vanished.

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Doesn't you Plasma have a white wash fuction to clear any image burn in. ? I have looked at LCD and Plasma and Plasma wins hands down on digital TV or lower res inputs and fast moving pictures, so if you have to be careful with burn in so be it. High res LCD such as the Samsung 1080p res look great with blue ray inputs but who is going to watch them all the time. So Plasma is the way to go. Welcome to the real world.

Cheers

Jase

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Doesn't you Plasma have a white wash fuction to clear any image burn in. ? I have looked at LCD and Plasma and Plasma wins hands down on digital TV or lower res inputs and fast moving pictures, so if you have to be careful with burn in so be it. High res LCD such as the Samsung 1080p res look great with blue ray inputs but who is going to watch them all the time. So Plasma is the way to go. Welcome to the real world.

Cheers

Jase

Panasonic plasmas don't have this function.

I guess it's a matter of preference. If you prefer PQ, go plasma. If you don't want to worry about burn-in/image retention and play a lot of games, go LCD.

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This is not a Plasma burn in reply - but couldnt start a new topic!

I need advice please!

I am considering buying around a 37" or 40" LCD for watching mainly FTV.

I have looked at:

1. Metz Milos 37S 1366X 768 with a SD tuner and PIP $3000 5 yr warranty

2. Schaub Lorenz VMD 3700PHF - 1920*1080 HD tuner $3500

3. Sharp 37BD6X - 1366X 768 with a HD tuner $3300

Am I better off purchasing a better quality bit lower res panel with SD tuner ( as most FTV is SD broadcast only anyway) ie Metz

OR

Higher res with HD tuner but made in Asia??

Please help!

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Question about burn in.

I am about to get the Pio 507. I was told that burn in is not much an issue now as most of the channel's icon are translucent, even most of foxtel.

Probel I noticed last night while watching the fox sport channels, the icon is not translucent..it's full on. Also I watch lost of soccer and at the top left corner of the screen, the time played and the scores are constantly left on and is not translucent.

Please tell me I have nothing to worry about?

Many Thanks

Pat

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Pioneer are renown for their Image Retention issues. I haven't heard of any Burn In problem though, so I guess they are only image retention and not permanent.

I did have a Burn In problem with my Pana as a result of the super bright ch 7 logo during the Australian Open tennis. It didn't go away after one week but then the set developed a major fault and had to be replaced, so I don't know whether it was permanent or not.

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The poll in my signature suggests Pio's have a bit of a problem. But one must be careful to distinguish between the age of plasmas (which generation plasma etc), and the issue of image retention vs true burn in. I suspect the poll can be misleading and confusing but ......

Poll: Plasma Burn In

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Looks like Sky News.au has their own problems with burn-in:

Sky News Burn-in

sky_news_burnin.vga.jpg

From http://www.skynews.com.au/disclaimer/tvcare.asp:

Do not allow a still image to be displayed on your television screen for an extended period of time. This can cause a permanent residual image (burn-in) remaining on your screen.

Examples of still images include:

* Channel logos and certain Channel formats;

...

CK.

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Looks like Sky News.au has their own problems with burn-in:

Sky News Burn-in

sky_news_burnin.vga.jpg

From http://www.skynews.com.au/disclaimer/tvcare.asp:

Do not allow a still image to be displayed on your television screen for an extended period of time. This can cause a permanent residual image (burn-in) remaining on your screen.

Examples of still images include:

* Channel logos and certain Channel formats;

...

CK.

This will be a problem everywhere though won't it? Virtually everything has a channel logo, or black bars from a movie, or video games with certain things that remain static for some time? I might have to reconsider a plasma and go lcd.

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FWIW - Have a Pioneer PDP-4360HD bought around Christmas - well past the 200 hour mark now, probably more like 300.

Mainly watch Foxtel and DVD movies. Got Foxtel IQ last week.

Two nights ago I fell asleep watching an IQ recorded show. So the last screen that came on and stayed on was an ad (with an info panel that the recorded show had ended).

Woke up 7 am in complete panic at a clear outline of a Nokia phone that had burnt in (along with other bands, etc)

I really wasn't sure where this was headed. To save newbie plasma owners some angst (hopefully): I ran the TV most of the working day (work from home, so I could keep checking on it) and I found one of the cartoon channels was pretty good - no logos, bright fast moving screens with large areas of colour/white.

Anyway, by evening the burn-in had 99% gone. Took about a day for my critical eye to pass it as a successful exercise, but I don't really want to go through that again.

Having said that, I don't mind the inconvenience (of constant guard) when weighed against the look of a reasonably good plasma screen (which this is).

Hope this helps relieve some anxieties...

Cheers

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Thanks for that, I don`t own a plasma yet, so I don`t own a user manual either. Now probably another stupid question, currently we only turn off tv, leaving Austar on at the box. Could this cause burn in even though plasma is turned off. I am looking to buy a plasma in June so am quite happy to ask silly questions.

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Image retention (to use the correct term) will only occur so long as a static image is displayed for an extended period. So to answer your question, No.

Don't be nearly as wound up about image retention as some of these threads or (mis)information from various sources might influence you to be. I have a 6th gen Pioneer (they're currently selling 7th gen) and it is supposedly one of the worst for image retention. My 2 or 3 experiences are detailed in Lyle's thread (here and here).

For what it's worth, I think that snobby Pioneer owners are just too hard to please (or perhaps are more discerning than others), so I'd take the results of that thread with a grain of salt. :blink:

As far as buying a plasma in June, I wouldn't be doing anything in the meantime other than saving, and looking at all displays in your eventual price range. Until it's time to hand over the cash, keep as open a mind as possible. Technology moves too fast to limit a future purchase with todays knowledge.

Cheers,

Aaron.

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recently(jan) got the pana 50px600 and playing motorstorm on ps3, i noticed everytime i finished playing the boost and timer image stays. so i guess this is image retention and i shouldnt worry about it? the image isnt like the watermark on channels but are bright yellow and white so i thought this could more intense. its kinda annoying and stays on for some time. would this effect eventually dissapear like ive heard? anyone playing ps3 with same game on same screen?

sorry, im just worried, recently changed the settings from out of the box to something more vibrant.

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recently(jan) got the pana 50px600 and playing motorstorm on ps3, i noticed everytime i finished playing the boost and timer image stays. so i guess this is image retention and i shouldnt worry about it? the image isnt like the watermark on channels but are bright yellow and white so i thought this could more intense. its kinda annoying and stays on for some time. would this effect eventually dissapear like ive heard? anyone playing ps3 with same game on same screen?

sorry, im just worried, recently changed the settings from out of the box to something more vibrant.

Panasonic themselves recommend being careful in the 1st 100 or so hours:

4. What is the "break-in" period and what should I do during the break-in period to minimize any risk of image retention?

When your plasma TV is initially installed, the first 100 hours of use is known as the "break-in period." During this time, to minimize any risk of image retention, you should:

Make sure the plasma TV is in a viewing mode (aspect ratio) that completely fills the screen. The panel is shipped in this condition, in what is called the "Just" mode.

Turn down the Picture setting (in the Picture menu) to +0.

Briefly engage the 4:3 mode and confirm the side bars are set to "Mid", or "Bright". This can be adjusted in the Set Up menu.

Always return the display mode that fills the screen (such as Just, Zoom, Full, or H-FILL).

Try not to view channels with stationary backgrounds or logos for extended periods of time.

Avoid extended display of static images (video games, computer images, DVD title screens, etc.).

(link)

To put it in perspective, the next point is also helpful

5. I've heard that plasma TVs can "burn-in" over time. What is "burn-in" exactly, and is it really a concern?

"Burn-in," or image retention, is an uneven aging of the phosphors in a display device, can occur on any display that uses phosphors to generate an image, including tube TVs, projection TVs that use CRTs, and plasma TVs. Such uneven aging happens when bright, static images are left onscreen for an extended period of time, which can leave a visible "shadow" effect.

Improvements in panel service life to over 60,000 hours have minimized the risk of image retention. In addition, screen savers, pixel shifting, and brightness level adjustments can dramatically reduce any chance of image retention. Use common sense when it comes to your plasma TV; don't pause video games or watch TV stations with station logos onscreen for long periods of time, and use one of the many display calibration DVDs available today for properly setting brightness and contrast.

The rule of thumb: if you don't worry about your traditional tube TV, you don't have to worry about a Panasonic plasma TV.

J.

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I think some first time big screen shoppers viewing this thread will be scared off plasma and, despite preferring plasma PQ, head elsewhere quite unnecessarily because of some comments here. Firstly there's the usual need to comment loudly about something when it goes wrong, but never utter a murmer when it works as it should. This thread was started over 18 months ago and the early complainants may have bought screens 6 - 12 months before that. Early valid burn-in concerns or not, across most brands, a lot has changed in 3 years or more.

I've had a plasma (Humax) maybe 2 years now and early on did see some image retention, but never burn-in of a permanent nature. Over the last year or more, however, I can't recall seeing any. I didn't go out of my way ensuring watermarks, news bars or 4:3 aspect side bars got too much exposure - just used it normally while being aware I shouldn't pause something then go mow the lawns or pop down the shops, but I will happily do so while I make a coffee or answer the phone. I'm inclined to believe that it is more apparent/prone during the first few hours and then the effect/risk fades away. The rule of thumb from Panasonic (and Scalpel) above is probably the best advice yet for current plasmas.

I forgot to mention - the burn-in 'repairing' white/grey screen may not be a regular menu option for many brands/models, but if you can get access to the factory/tech setup menu, then it just may be available.

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thanks for the reply, i guess i better check the hours my panas done. just cant help but feel scared when i start the games eg. motorstorm and virtua tennis 3, almost straight away image retention occurs. its often annoying as it always takes my attention away from the game and start worrying about the screen. maybe the sony bravia was a better choice in the beginning >.> even though there was still a lot of motion blur.

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Was just wondering how people feel about turning yout TV onto analogue channel 99 say and use the "white storm" effect to get rid of image retention or burn in?

If you wack your TV on channel 99 its just a blizzard of black and white because there is of course no signal i would have thought that would be the best way.

Thoughts?

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Was just wondering how people feel about turning yout TV onto analogue channel 99 say and use the "white storm" effect to get rid of image retention or burn in?

If you wack your TV on channel 99 its just a blizzard of black and white because there is of course no signal i would have thought that would be the best way.

Thoughts?

Thats what I used to do after some sessions on the 360 where there was some retention of speedos/scores etc. I typically dont do it anymore as it tends to go away with normal viewing.

The footy scores still seem to hang around for a bit, particularly the red ones which you notice against the background of ads with lighter colours (such as a yellow RAC ad).

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Panasonic plasmas don't have this function.

I guess it's a matter of preference. If you prefer PQ, go plasma. If you don't want to worry about burn-in/image retention and play a lot of games, go LCD.

LCDs do get burn in... and so do CRT screens...

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I think some first time big screen shoppers viewing this thread will be scared off plasma and, despite preferring plasma PQ, head elsewhere quite unnecessarily because of some comments here.

I agree 100% Wing Nut... Why on earth this topic is pinned is beyond me... repeating myself over and over i'm sorry, but LCDs and CRTs get burn in too??

Maybe the mods will remove this pinned topic... it is almost not applicable these days...

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If you have your screen hooked up to a pc i find if you run some audio through windows media and set the accompanying graphics to Random and set to Full Screen

(looks awsome on plasma) it (for me) is a very quick way of washing any retention from the screen...Ipersonally rate this over whitewash feature as motion is continious and extremely vivid...good for running in a new screen too

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Ok, a novice question. Do the black strips on the top/side of the programs cause any image retention? I thought they would! Sicne most DVD's and almost all programs have the black on the top/side !!

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Ok, a novice question. Do the black strips on the top/side of the programs cause any image retention? I thought they would! Sicne most DVD's and almost all programs have the black on the top/side !!

Gasy6, ye from what ive read previously the black bars are an issue and are apparently some of the worst offenders with reguard to I/R, or possible burn..

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Con, thanks for that link, I have had my PX600 for a few days now and was going to run it in for 100 hours but will definately be going for 200 hours now. The hardest thing is making the kids change the aspect so it takes up the full screen, when I am not around. I have printed the info on that link and will sit them down and make sure they have read every word. Thanks again, very helpful!!

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Con, thanks for that link, I have had my PX600 for a few days now and was going to run it in for 100 hours but will definately be going for 200 hours now. The hardest thing is making the kids change the aspect so it takes up the full screen, when I am not around. I have printed the info on that link and will sit them down and make sure they have read every word. Thanks again, very helpful!!

Panavision, i agree

"better safe than sorry" I too let the kids read that article and think they got a better understanding of the whole Burn in thingy, and it also makes me feel a little less guilty for bangin on about it. Now they know it is only temporary caution to take.

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Mine is still in its "burn-in period" settings.

This is because I am too lazy to calibrate it yet.

Too much else to do, like plan a new kitchen (!). Do you think that if I told my wife that you get a free Mediastar 820 box with every Miele cooktop and oven that she'd believe me?? :blink:

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I did but not overnight as you can see the screen from our bedroom and my other half would have "strung me up" so I ran it after work & weekends etc.

Can anyone recommend a good burn in dvd? I'm getting my samsung q91 next monday and I am intending to play the dvd continuously for 100-200 hours to "break-in" the screen. Is this advisable?

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Can anyone recommend a good burn in dvd? I'm getting my samsung q91 next monday and I am intending to play the dvd continuously for 100-200 hours to "break-in" the screen. Is this advisable?
I wouldn't. :ph34r:
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Then what would you recommend? How about a burn-in dvd that runs 4-6 hours every night? Is that ok?

What burn-in dvd to use? Any I can buy online?

I wouldnt bother using a burn-in dvd or the like, just dont leave static images on the screen and set contrast to half or just under for 100-200 hours.

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Then what would you recommend? How about a burn-in dvd that runs 4-6 hours every night? Is that ok?

What burn-in dvd to use? Any I can buy online?

I would not do anything. These days if you are aware of burn in, you won't have a problem,

As long as you don't do anything silly like leave a static image up for 30 hours.

Even then there are things that can be done to get rid of it.

I don't know if the model you are looking at has an issue with burn-in or not.

My Pioneer certainly does not.

And if you are planning to get it calibrated it is better to not do anything out of the ordinary.

Happy viewing.

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Found this to be a good read...Tho it may be somewhat bias, dunno

http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmat...atv-burnin.html

Thanks for that. Interesting read. :)

Then what would you recommend? How about a burn-in dvd that runs 4-6 hours every night? Is that ok?

I've got an LG 42" plasma and never did any burn-in and so far it is working great. Personally, I don't think you really need to either; just don't leave static images on the screen, as said above.

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Ive been floating around in this thread and wanted to contribute.

I live in the US by the way, but that has no matter on the TV's.

I own (recently bought a month or so ago) a 42" Panasonic TH-42PX75U 720p plasma, and have ALWAYS been worried about burn in.

A few nights ago, i fell asleep with ESPN ( a sports network, im sure you aussies have that ) and the sports "ticker" on the right hand side of the screen must have only been there for 5-6 hours, but left a fairly clear image the next day when i went to turn the TV back on. I was showing the set to friends and i noticed it, so i had to bottle my frustration for hours before being able to anything about it. Several faint white bars, followed by a "ESPN2HD" print at the bottom.

I've learned that alot of the burn-in that people experience is mostly just image retention, as my problem seems to be. I have spent hours running full-screen Tv shows, mostly discovery / national geographic chanel, shows/chanels that have alot of color and fast moving pictures in it.

So far, ive been able to clear most of it, and im still working on deleting 100% of the burn-in. I rest confided by others remarks that the image retention is very washable with time and patience.

(NOTE: My particular case of the image retention is only visible when i go to a black screen [as opposed to the white screen some others experience]).

EDIT(6:33pm EST US)= Ive basically removed the image, i dont want to say 100% becuase my paranoia wont allow me. I'll re-edit when i feel that the retention has been wiped clean.

I'll go ahead and post up later with an update of the screen condition.

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Thanks for that. Interesting read. :)

I've got an LG 42" plasma and never did any burn-in and so far it is working great. Personally, I don't think you really need to either; just don't leave static images on the screen, as said above.

Yes But what is the max time . As the poster above said 3~4 hours per nite?? Will that give burn in??

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