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Pioneer/panasonic/fujitsu are all excellent with burn-in.

Just be careful. An image for 15 min is not necessarily a problem in the first 200 hours and definitely not after that.

Damn, most of us watch dvd's with bar all the time and that's not an issue.

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I keep reading conflicting reports on how sensitive modern plasmas are to burn in. Some say it takes a long time. Other say that even a few minutes of a static image (like a PC desktop) will cause ghosting and then burn in.  What is the true story?

As indicated below the Fujitsu/Pioneer and Panasonic are great for resistance to burn in or image retention after the break in period but if you throw a static image on for hours it will burn.

During the initial run in period usally 100 to 200 hours depending on the panel you may experience image retention which will disapear

Panels such as the NEC & Marantz suffer from sever image retention during the burn in period and right upto 1000+ hours so these panels will be more susseptable to burn in than others

Personally i never allowed black bars during the initial run in period but now with over 200 hours clocked up dont care about them

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Pioneer/panasonic/fujitsu are all excellent with burn-in.

Just be careful. An image for 15 min is not necessarily a problem in the first 200 hours and definitely not after that.

Damn, most of us watch dvd's with bar all the time and that's not an issue.

I'd add to that the hitachi is very resistant to any burn in as well.

I think the burn in thing is a point made a bit too much off.

To be honest only thing have always been carefull about is to not leave anything static on the screen for too long apart from that have never bothered much even with 4:3 or letterboxed material even in the run in period.

Initially you might get a slightly lighter section after extended viewing of 4:3 material but really within a few minutes it will be gone and not of any concern.

Have read of people with foxtel or other menus burnt on but thats after people have left something onscreen for hours on end or overnight - as long as you don't do silly stuff like that you shouldn't have a problem.

there was a link to panasonic plasam tips might be a good read if this is somthing of real concern to you. Do a search it wasn't long ago someone posted a link again to it.

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I occasionally see the faint lighter shaded remnants of a menu or info box on my plasma when one has been on screen for a short while, but only if the subsequent scene is dark. After a few minutes it's gone. One morning I noticed it when I turned the TV on. Again it went away quite quickly, so I figure it needs some sort of pixel activity to fade it.

Also the box where a 4:3 show has been playing can linger, but it also vanishes soon after during normal use. In fact I hardly even notice it anymore, so it may be less prone to it as the run-in time ticks by. Anyway, I have stopped worrying and now just enjoy the nice vivid crisp pictures :blink:

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Hopefully in a few years, burn-in won't even be a consideration on plasma's.

Manufactures have said they are getting close to this point but remember one thing CRT TV can suffer burn in as well so its really how you treat your display to what will happen to it.

I think we are at a point with the Fujitsu , Panasonic and Pioneer to where we dont have to worry like we all use to after the burn in period

So to all those out there worrying about this use common sense and it should not be an issue

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I occasionally see the faint lighter shaded remnants of a menu or info box on my plasma when one has been on screen for a short while, but only if the subsequent scene is dark. After a few minutes it's gone. One morning I noticed it when I turned the TV on. Again it went away quite quickly, so I figure it needs some sort of pixel activity to fade it.

Also the box where a 4:3 show has been playing can linger, but it also vanishes soon after during normal use. In fact I hardly even notice it anymore, so it may be less prone to it as the run-in time ticks by. Anyway, I have stopped worrying and now just enjoy the nice vivid crisp pictures :blink:

wow really? which panel do you have dude?

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Personally i never allowed black bars during the initial run in period but now with over 200 hours clocked up dont care about them

yeah I have hit about 340 hours now, and was quite careful up until the 300hour mark, even if it meant watching something in a distorted ratio to ensure te screen was covered, just to be on the safe side. pretty glad I dont have to do that any more though.

well some ad's in 4:3 still stress me out, like that AAMI add this is in BRIGHT BURNING RED. hopefully I get over the 4:3 phobia soon :blink:

I have even resisted palying the xbox AT ALL for that entire time - bloody tough that ahaha :P

cheers :P

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yeah I have hit about 340 hours now, and was quite careful up until the 300hour mark, even if it meant watching something in a distorted ratio to ensure te screen was covered, just to be on the safe side. pretty glad I dont have to do that any more though.

well some ad's in 4:3 still stress me out, like that AAMI add this is in BRIGHT BURNING RED. hopefully I get over the 4:3 phobia soon :blink:

I have even resisted palying the xbox AT ALL for that entire time - bloody tough that ahaha :P

cheers :P

Geez me to but i have a feeling the left ball will drop and i will try in sooner or later

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Man, what is it with this fobia fellas?

Put the xbox on and have some fun.

I've been internet surfing/gaming on the damn thing from day one and it's great. And yeah, i look 30cm away from the screen to make sure i don't have any issues before i switch off the plasma. :blink:

Oh yeah, pinned!. Way cool.

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Manufactures have said they are getting close to this point but remember one thing CRT TV can suffer burn in as well so its really how you treat your display to what will happen to it.

I think we are at a point with the Fujitsu , Panasonic and Pioneer to where we dont have to worry like we all use to after the burn in period

So to all those out there worrying about this use common sense and it should not be an issue

And what about Samsung panels? What makes those other ones more superior?

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Where do I start, not enough space on here to answer that one  :blink:

i have been appraising one of these for about 7 weeks now, the tv has approx 250 hrs on it, and i must say in all honesty, the pq is pretty darn good, admittedly i have been using my tag dvd player, for the better part of 5 weeks, but i recently connected the samsung hd-747 to the plasma, and the quality, was fairly good, a little bit of black crush but that was down to the sammy dvd player, which has had a few problems.

i must admit the only failing i could see was the samsung has a feature called dnle, which on the previous model, could be turned off and on, wheras on the new model, on is the only option,it can be tamed via proper callibration, my only complaint would be it does not handle fast moving sports like afl or football, like the fuji or nec, but at $3999 or less it is a fairly well eqipped tv for someone that wants hd but does not want to fork out big dollars.

it is also essential to run the brightness and contrast below halfway as this tv is very susceptible to a little bit of after image, in the first 200hrs, i would recommend using the pixel shift, and or signal pattern after using this tv with austar or foxtel, at least for the first 200 hrs....

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i have been appraising one of these for about 7 weeks now, the tv has approx 250 hrs on it, and i must say in all honesty, the pq is pretty darn good, admittedly i have been using my tag dvd player, for the better part of 5 weeks, but i recently connected the samsung hd-747 to the plasma, and the quality, was fairly good, a little bit of black crush but that was down to the sammy dvd player, which has had a few problems.

i must admit the only failing i could see was the samsung has a feature called dnle, which on the previous model, could be turned off and on, wheras on the new model, on is the only option,it can be tamed via proper callibration, my only complaint would be it does not handle fast moving sports like afl or football, like the fuji or nec, but at $3999 or less it is a fairly well eqipped tv for someone that wants hd but does not want to fork out big dollars.

it is also essential to run the brightness and contrast below halfway as this tv is very susceptible to a little bit of after image, in the first 200hrs, i would recommend using the pixel shift, and or signal pattern after using this tv with austar or foxtel, at least for the first 200 hrs....

Hey, I think we have the same TV! PS42S5?

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yes shmick, i have been playing around with the ps42s5 hd not a bad tv given its price point, when set up properly..........

Shmick, i must admit getting into the service menu helps but you really have to know what you are doing, the samsung service menus are very extensive, but the end results are truly amazing with this plasma, an 80% improvement from standard settings out of the box.........

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Shmick, i must admit getting into the service menu helps but you really have to know what you are doing, the samsung service menus are very extensive, but the end results are truly amazing with this plasma, an 80% improvement from standard settings out of the box.........

Glad your enjoying the panel! The PQ is pretty good.

Here are my settings.

Contrast:- 60

Brightness:- 48

Sharpness:- 0

Colour:- 31

Colour Tone:- Warm 2

Pink:- 5

Green:- 50

Blue:- 100

I got these after a few tries at using DVE. Similar to yours?

The service menu is in an alien language to me :blink:

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I just recently purchased a LG with built in hdtv tuner plasma and have also noticed that when on a black screen I can notice some faint things from previous things I had, I never havbe a static image on for over 5 mins so just wondering if it will eventually fade away and after the burn in period has finished, wont have to worry about this sort of thing?

Regards Joe.

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I just recently purchased a LG with built in hdtv tuner plasma and have also noticed that when on a black screen I can notice some faint things from previous things I had, I never havbe a static image on for over 5 mins so just wondering if it will eventually fade away and after the burn in period has finished, wont have to worry about this sort of thing?

Regards Joe.

Have you seen if they fade after 5 minutes of moving pictures? Do they remain?

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Do any of the current players have a screen saver?  I think i'd prefer having to hit a button on the remote every hour to risking burn in.

By "players" do you mean DVD players?

I have a Sony 730 and a Pioneer 676 and they both have screen savers which kick in after leaving the player in pause or on a menu for a certain amount of time - they go to a black screen with a bouncing logo, and if left even longer they switch off.

My plasma will switch off if it receives no signal for a specified amount of time. So in worst case, I'll come back to watch a paused movie and the DVD player and the plamsa will both be off.

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Glad your enjoying the panel! The PQ is pretty good.

Here are my settings.

Contrast:- 60

Brightness:- 48

Sharpness:- 0

Colour:- 31

Colour Tone:- Warm 2

Pink:- 5

Green:- 50

Blue:- 100

I got these after a few tries at using DVE. Similar to yours?

The service menu is in an alien language to me  :blink:

settings are nowhere near shmick, as this unit has been done through the service menu, which allows for untold changers to different parameters of the screens colours, i tried your settings and they are much better than out of the box, but if you can afford a professional to come out or a mate that knows a fair bit, i would pm you the service menu codes, but it is not something you should try, if you have no experience with callibration of plasmas , ceiling mount crt, etc, otherwise you can bite off more than you can chew, and it can end up looking pretty ordinary

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settings are nowhere near shmick, as this unit has been done through the service menu, which allows for untold changers to different parameters of the screens colours, i tried your settings and they are much better than out of the box, but if you can afford a professional to come out or a mate that knows a fair bit, i would pm you the service menu codes, but it is not something you should try, if you have no experience with callibration of plasmas , ceiling mount crt, etc, otherwise you can bite off more than you can chew, and it can end up looking pretty ordinary

Did you get your screen professionally calibrated? And can't you reset the service menu settings if you stuff them up anyways?

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Did you get your screen professionally calibrated? And can't you reset the service menu settings if you stuff them up anyways?

Sorry not to get back to you earlier shmick, i callibrated the screen with a friend who does the callibrations for stereo supplies in queensland, this tv is not mine i have an nec 61" hd and fujitsu 42"sd as a perk of my job i occasionally take home plasmas to give them a thorough going over.

I normally do this for a week or so, but i must admit, i was surprised at the quality of this tv once properly set up, blue light aside which can be annoying.

there is a reset button in the service menu, but as i said before the amount of settings that you can change in this tv is pretty amazing.

i am surprised that samsung do not take the time and effort to play around a bit more with the settings at the factory prior to shipping, as they would sell a hell of a lot more units.

But as i said your dve settings are pretty good for out of the box, you should give yourself a pat on the back for perservering, to get it to an acceptable level that you are happy with, as it is a fairly expensive investment, and one that will give you value for money in the long run........

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Sorry not to get back to you earlier shmick, i callibrated the screen with a friend who does the callibrations for stereo supplies in queensland, this tv is not mine i have an nec 61" hd and fujitsu 42"sd as a perk of my job i occasionally take home plasmas to give them a thorough going over.

I normally do this  for a week or so, but i must admit, i was surprised at the quality of this tv once properly set up, blue light aside which can be annoying.

there is a reset button in the service menu, but as i said before the amount of settings that you can change in this tv is pretty amazing.

i am surprised that samsung do not take the time and effort to play around a bit more with the settings at the factory prior to shipping, as they would sell a hell of a lot more units.

But as i said your dve settings are pretty good for out of the box, you should give yourself a pat on the back for perservering, to get it to an acceptable level that you are happy with, as it is a fairly expensive investment, and one that will give you value for money in the long run........

Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it!.

Yeah, I'm extremely happy with this screen. I was a bit paranoid about it when I initially got it. But I guess for the amount of money people spend on these things you kinda expect a bit of paranoia.

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On the topic of plasma and burn-in, this new White Paper on Pioneer US website concludes:

The commonly held beliefs about the viability and performance quality of plasma TVs turn out to be merely myths when held up to the discerning eye of quantifiable testing. In particular, concerns about plasma lifetimes and image retention ("burn in") are half-truths  that  may  have  been  legitimate  concerns  for  early  generations  of  plasma displays, but are non-issues with today's current generation products. Yes, plasmas may show signs of retention if still images are left on the display for very long periods of time (such as 24 hours or more), but even in this extreme example, the result is only  temporary.  Today's  plasma  TVs  essentially  heal  themselves  with  subsequent viewing of regular TV material. As a result, more common scenarios of 5 to 10 minute (or even several hour) image pauses will not cause permanent damage.

So it looks like aside from perhaps some precautionary use during the first 100 hours (which doesn't even seem necessary now), it's best just to enjoy your plasma and not worry about burn-in, as long as you don't do something silly like leave a static image on it for days on end.

The paper itself is a good read on LCD vs Plasma, as well as some other common myths about plasma displays. It's sponsored by Pioneer, so of course it'll favour plasma, but still it's from August 2005, which is almost a year newer than the previous Panasonic white paper often quoted on burn-in and other issues.

I got the tip-off on this from the AVS forums btw.

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When previously posting the Panasonic White Paper "Plasma Facts and Myths"

I clearly stated November 2004. The document is also marked November 2004.

I have since checked out all Panasonic Consumer Electronics Press Releases since Nov 2004 and found:

NEW White Paper: "The Future Looks Bright for Plasma TVs" 05/20/2005

Page 8 of the PDF file, “Technology is Overcoming Perceived Weaknesses” is informative, especially paragraph 4.

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this is the reply that I recieved via email from the Panasonic support team

Dear Alan,

Thank you for taking the time to contact Panasonic with your enquiry.

There are no details on Running the Screen in with Australian Released Plasma Panels.

A Plasma should not be laid on it's side. The unit will have to be lifted and the lowered onto

the Pedestal stand as indicated in the instruction. If the Plasma is laid on it side it will increase the chances of being damaged.

I trust this information will be of assistance however, please do not hesitate to contact CCC on 132600 should you require further support.

Kind Regards,

Panasonic Customer Care

www.panasonic.com.au

ozboyz

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Thank you for taking the time to contact Panasonic with your enquiry.

There are no details on Running the Screen in with Australian Released Plasma Panels.

A Plasma should not be laid on it's side. The unit will have to be lifted and the lowered onto

the Pedestal stand as indicated in the instruction. If the Plasma is laid on it side it will increase the chances of being damaged.       

                     

At least in USA Panasonic.com have this advice on their site "Plasma TVs FAQs"

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we then asked about running in again and this is the reply we got. it also included their advice on attaching the pedestal. They are not really coming forward with any advice on running in a plasma, and seem to be skirting around the issue.

Thank you for taking the time to contact Panasonic with your enquiry.

The manual for the Pedestal does indicated for ease to lower the Panel Face down for easier connection on the Pedestal. This isn't a mistake. It should only be done very quickly and lifted back upright, If not handled correctly could cause damage to the Panel. We normally advise to lift and lower the panel onto the Pedestal Stand.

Products purchased outside of Australia are different to the one's released here. This starts with the power requirements, The tuners generally only work in the Country of Purchase, there are three different colour types (PAL, NTSC and SECAM) these are set depending the Colour System used in that country.

I trust this information will be of assistance however, please do not hesitate to contact CCC on 132600 should you require further support.

Kind Regards,

Panasonic Customer Care

www.panasonic.com.au

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