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Hi All,

Joined the "Pan Clan" as it's been called two weeks ago with the purchase of a 42PV500A. For those who care, paid $4,999 as a package with a Panasonic TU-HDT104A STB & five years warranty.

I did my own extremely lengthy research, including lots of visual comparisons, but purposely little exposure to internet reviews & forums (like this one). I work for a FTA in the on-air area so am a bit anal about what I like.

I can honestly say (without prejudice for the fact that my bank account is now minus the purchase price), that it is truly an excellent display - & hey, it looks even better in my longeroom then in did in the retailers' fluoro-lit display areas.

So despite my trepidation about what I might read (did I make the right choice or pay to much?), I finally had a look on this side of the DTV Forum to see what you lot had to say about it. (I normally live over in the Geographical Viewers Forum reading the problems that the bloody FTA's cause you lot.)

So it was rather pleasing to read the many positive coments & reviews, thus confirming my own rather "anal choice"! Yes, we all made a good choice, didn't we!?!.....

Since purchase, I have used three different HD STB's on it so far due to my pickiness with their features (lack of)&/or performance. They being, the original Panasonic TU-HDT104A, the Samsung DTD-H550F & the LG LST-5100P. Am about to try a Thompson, Dgtec & Mediastar. I won't clog up this thread with my concerns - if you're interested PM me.

The main reason for posting here is that (besides gloating with all of you about how good the Panasonic's are), to question you other owners about the PC (VGA) input.

When selecting PC as your input source, under Setup Menu & PC Setup (page 26 of the manual), do you all have "Input Resolution" as your first setting, followed by "Clock"? My first setting is "Clock".

And following on from this question, have any of you tried 1080i on the VGA input? Using all three STB's, none will display above 576P (ie: no 720P or 1080i). The plasma only displays "No Input".

Have also tried two different PC's into the VGA input. My old laptop at 800 x 600 res looks great. With the u-beaut 3.4GHz however, apart from when it's first booting & displaying "Windows XP", nothing is displayed. Have tried all resolution settings from 640x480 to 1600x1200 - constantly displays "No Input".

Rung Panasonic this morning. Got straight thru' (no "You're call is important to us" crap) & spoke to a very informed lady who sought some extra advice, but eventiually felt that "Input Resolution" should be there. Despite not being able to help, I'll give a definite "thumbs up" to Panasonic to their helpline people.

Any thoughts people? - Have I done something really stupid? (Heaven forbid & thanks to the anonyminity afforded by the forum!).

Thanks in advance,

John

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I have a problem with my pana 50a SD i see a trail (like LCD) behind moving thing's is this a usual thing for plasma or is my panal broken (i don't see it behind DVD though so i'm confused now).

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The main reason for posting here is that (besides gloating with all of you about how good the Panasonic's are), to question you other owners about the PC (VGA) input.

When selecting PC as your input source, under Setup Menu & PC Setup (page 26 of the manual), do you all have "Input Resolution" as your first setting, followed by "Clock"? My first setting is "Clock".

And following on from this question, have any of you tried 1080i on the VGA input? Using all three STB's, none will display above 576P (ie: no 720P or 1080i). The plasma only displays "No Input".

Have also tried two different PC's into the VGA input. My old laptop at 800 x 600 res looks great. With the u-beaut 3.4GHz however, apart from when it's first booting & displaying "Windows XP", nothing is displayed. Have tried all resolution settings from 640x480 to 1600x1200 - constantly displays "No Input".

I get "Clock" first when there is no signal in. I get "Input Resolution" showing when I plug my Mac in. It's probably your graphics card not talking to the plasma properly. Check if your settings are beyond the range as listed on page 41 - eg trying to drive at a frequency too high. See also page 12.

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buckets,

broadbeans answer is probably source of the problem. Make sure your refresh rate is set to 60hz. On the avforums web site there is a thread describing how to pixel map a pv500 (50") panel using a pc.

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Thanks for the responses Broadbeen & Cummo.

You are quite correct, as I also "discovered" last night. (Isn't it amazing what you figure out AFTER you've posted for help!)

Re-reading the section on Page 26 where it refers to the "Input Resolution" on the PC (VGA) input, the wording is rather poor, but this particular menu item is actually only displayed when you have a COMPATABLE VGA source on the Pana's input, but then as I discovered, not all the time anyway.

To cut a very long story short, about 2am this morning I ended-up with a very nice 1280x1024 resolution display from the computer on the plasma. This was after a LOT of hit & miss with adjusting refresh rates to try & get close to the vertical & horizontal frequencies the Pana required to enable display & not state "No Signal".

Page 41 helps slightly with details about V & H freqs & refresh rates, but none listed actually matched what the plasma indicated top right of screen (when in PC Setup) as I adjusted the PC's display refresh rate. Incidentally, if the V & H figures displayed top right are red when you attach a VGA source, then it is outside of the plasma's acceptable range & it definitely won't display!

To get the 1280x1024 signal to display on my plasma, my PC's refresh rate ended up being set to 100Hz, not 60Hz as suggested on the Page 41 list. The displayed V & H figures are also different to what is listed, but at least it does actually display!

Also, many times as I adjusted refresh rates & resolution on the PC, "Input Resolution" was not displayed, but I still had a picture on the plasma.

Incidentally, when "Input Resolution" was finally displayed, the only two listings were VGA & WVGA. VGA (as noted on Page 25) is 640x480 & WVGA is 852x480, yet I was pumping in 1280x1024, go figure. Changing between them, VGA actually provided the better picture as the W (for Wide) actually distorted the picture further.

After the hours spent getting this input to work off my computer, I then re-tried connecting the HD STB (presently a Samsung DTD-H550F, but soon to be changed) into the same VGA inputs, but still no joy, it still only displays 576P.

It's all a bit hit & miss in my mind, but I eventually got there & I probably learned a bit on the way. But hey, it's "way cool" to sit in the loungeroom using the RF mouse on the coffee table to watch movies, listen to music or surf the net, all on a 42" display!

Despite all of the abve, I still absolutely love my Pana'.

John

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We have the 50" Pana HD and while watching Boogeyman last night on DVD we noticed that during a scene when this little girl was moving back and forward on a swing, there was significant blurring of her face, in fact quite a great deal of trailing. I believe we are using either s video or composite to connect the DVD player to the TV. Any thoughts?

ozboyz

I have a problem with my pana 50a SD i see a trail (like LCD) behind moving thing's is this a usual thing for plasma or is my panal broken (i don't see it behind DVD though so i'm confused now).

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We have the 50" Pana HD and while watching Boogeyman last night on DVD we noticed that during a scene when this little girl was moving back and forward on a swing, there was significant blurring of her face, in fact quite a great deal of trailing.  I believe we are using either s video or composite to connect the DVD player to the TV.    Any thoughts?

ozboyz

How far are you sitting from the plasma?

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We have the 50" Pana HD and while watching Boogeyman last night on DVD we noticed that during a scene when this little girl was moving back and forward on a swing, there was significant blurring of her face, in fact quite a great deal of trailing.  I believe we are using either s video or composite to connect the DVD player to the TV.    Any thoughts?

ozboyz

Wow! :blink:

What kind of dvd player?

Don't connect s-video and composite for the dvd player to a 50" plasma unless you enjoy wasting bucks. You spent good money on a good plasma and your feeding it what sounds like a totally crap signal. And your wondering why you getting smearing?

You need to use component at a minimum on a 50" plasma.

Surely your joking? Surely you going to use component or buy a DECENT dvd player with component or hdmi?

Lucky the chair had a back on it because i nearly hit the floor.

Sorry, i didn't mean to be too forward but composite or s-video to a 50" plasma is a big no no.

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Hello.

What kind of dvd player?

It is a Sony DAV-FC7 which is one of those HTIB set ups.

feeding it what sounds like a totally crap signal. And your wondering why you getting smearing?

No. This is what I need to hear and know. I really do not have a clue. I scour this forum for hints and advice and take note of what people say. I am sure it is s-video. I will have to double check.

You need to use component at a minimum on a 50" plasma.

I am still at the running in stage so all of my settings are at 40% and no colour enhancement modes etc in play yet.

Surely your joking? Surely you going to use component or buy a DECENT dvd player with component or hdmi?

I am running my DSE HD 8000 into the TV with the HDMI. As for a new DVD player, I have placed a thread elsewhere asking for advice on pairing up a Pana SA XR55 with a Denon 1920 as options, and then to find out what reasonable price speakers to use.

Lucky the chair had a back on it because i nearly hit the floor.

Hope you didn't hurt yourself too much!!

Sorry, i didn't mean to be too forward but composite or s-video to a 50" plasma is a big no no.

I will have to really check to see what cables I have got running as it was not me who set it up (I really do lack the techno knowledge in this area).

ozboyz

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Just under 3 meters. The remainder of the screen is fine. It was just this particular section. The scenario was this - there were two swings. The girl was on the rear swing and the guy directly in front. she is swinging back and forth while the guy talks to her. he is clear. she has that trail/blur effect. very much like multiple images over imposed on just her. Also while watching Wilde ( a recording from tv on the toppy) as the camera panned across a water scene, the water seemed to become juttery.

How far are you sitting from the plasma?

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Hello.

What kind of dvd player?

It is a Sony DAV-FC7 which is one of those HTIB set ups.

feeding it what sounds like a totally crap signal. And your wondering why you getting smearing?

No.  This is what I need to hear and know.    I really do not have a clue.  I scour this forum for hints and advice and take note of what people say.    I am sure it is s-video.  I will have to double check.

You need to use component at a minimum on a 50" plasma.

I am still at the running in stage so all of my settings are at 40% and no colour enhancement modes etc in play yet.

Surely your joking? Surely you going to use component or buy a DECENT dvd player with component or hdmi?

I am running my DSE HD 8000 into the TV with the HDMI.  As for a new DVD player, I have placed a thread elsewhere asking for advice on pairing up a Pana SA XR55 with a Denon 1920 as options, and then to find out what reasonable price speakers to use.

Lucky the chair had a back on it because i nearly hit the floor.

Hope you didn't hurt yourself too much!!

Sorry, i didn't mean to be too forward but composite or s-video to a 50" plasma is a big no no.

I will have to really check to see what cables I have got running as it was not me who set it up (I really do lack the techno knowledge in this area).   

ozboyz

Fair point on not understanding your options. My bad for not being a little more understanding.

I'm sure you getting a great picture through your STB and hdmi. Pity these new panels don't have 2 hdmi connectors. That would have solved the issue.

Anyway, a good component dvd player is want. Maybe even an upscaler over component (This ones rare though).

Just remember, only use composite or s-video if you must.

When i first got my 50" i had a pioneer 676 dvd player running through component and had a sufficient amount of smearing. I now upscale through HDMi on another player and the difference is huge. So spend a few bucks and you won't regret it.

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Just under 3 meters.    The remainder of the screen is fine.    It was just this particular section.    The scenario was this - there were two swings.    The girl was on the rear swing and the guy directly in front.    she is swinging back and forth while the guy talks to her.  he is clear.  she has that trail/blur effect.    very much like multiple images over imposed on just her.    Also while watching Wilde ( a recording from tv on the toppy) as the camera panned across a water scene, the water seemed to become juttery.

How are you running the toppy?

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Just under 3 meters.    The remainder of the screen is fine.    It was just this particular section.    The scenario was this - there were two swings.    The girl was on the rear swing and the guy directly in front.    she is swinging back and forth while the guy talks to her.  he is clear.  she has that trail/blur effect.    very much like multiple images over imposed on just her.    Also while watching Wilde ( a recording from tv on the toppy) as the camera panned across a water scene, the water seemed to become juttery.

You are touch and go with viewing distance.

Many dont recommend viewing under 4 metres with a 50 incher because of pixelation effect in certain scenes.

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I think I checked out the distance calculator on this site and several people have said that 3 meters was OK for that size screen. And the problem does not seem to be pixelation. It is a most definate smearing and ghosting effect. As the girls face went by it seemed to really blur into one smudge. Not pixelation.

You are touch and go with viewing distance.

Many dont recommend viewing under 4 metres with a 50 incher because of pixelation effect in certain scenes.

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Fair point on not understanding your options. My bad for not being a little more understanding.

I did not pick up on the lack of understanding in your post. Just advice. This is the reason I post on here so that people out there with more knowledge than myself will be able to help me out.

I'm sure you getting a great picture through your STB and hdmi. Pity these new panels don't have 2 hdmi connectors. That would have solved the issue.

There are some occassions when close ups of people's faces show ghosting on the HD STB. I keep thinking though that this may be due to the settings on the TV. Still running on run in mode so everything is really set to 40% ie brightness, contrast etc with no enhancements switched on.

Anyway, a good component dvd player is want. Maybe even an upscaler over component (This ones rare though).

What is an upscaler?

Just remember, only use composite or s-video if you must.

I am going to check out to see what the cable set up is and if it is the above then I will get some component cables.

When i first got my 50" i had a pioneer 676 dvd player running through component and had a sufficient amount of smearing. I now upscale through HDMi on another player and the difference is huge. So spend a few bucks and you won't regret it.

I was looking at the Denon 1920 player as it seems to be getting some rave reviews on this forum. That would be a better player? Then on another thread on the forum I am asking about the Panasonic XR55 amp.

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I have looked in the manual and there are only two component in, one s video and one hdmi. I have to run a toppy SD STB, a DSE 8000 HD STB, a Panasonic basic DVD recorder, and the Sony DAVFC7. which has the following outputs

Interfaces

Component Out:Rear x 1

S-Video Out:Rear x 1

Audio Line In:Rear x 2

Audio Line Out:Rear x 1

Optical Digital In:Rear x 1

Headphone Jack:Yes

Is there a suggested way of connecting all of these to ensure the correct PQ? Also to try and fit into the mix is a Playstation which has yet to be connected.

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I was looking at the Denon 1920 player as it seems to be getting some rave reviews on this forum.  That would be a better player?    Then on another thread on the forum I am asking about the Panasonic XR55 amp.

The Panasonic VD S97 is HDMi getting good reviews. (could be D97?).

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I've joined the club.. I've bought the 500A tonight.

Got it for $3800 + $300 for an extra two years of warranty from Myer, Ringwood, Melbourne.

This is after I returned the Samsung 5H as I was very very unhappy with the picture quality. The solorisation was terrible. I really had a hard time returning it. Don't always think Myer will let you return anything.

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Thanks for that one.

I think one of the other reasons for looking at the Denon is that it offers SACD capabilities and DVD A but could not see if the Panasonic did SACD.

ozboyz

Have you considered the pio 969avi? Upscales over hdmi and apparently, very good quality component.

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It is quite expensive considering it is only a DVD player.    Sure it seems to have quite a few nice features, but a bit pricey.

Considering your plasma cost $6,000+, a $900 dvd player which will make sure you get top quality from your $6,000 investment almost seems cheap. That's not to say you won't be happy with something a little cheaper.

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It was showing up as being something like $1499.

Considering your plasma cost $6,000+, a $900 dvd player which will make sure you get top quality from your $6,000 investment almost seems cheap. That's not to say you won't be happy with something a little cheaper.

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I have a problem with my pana 50a SD i see a trail (like LCD) behind moving thing's is this a usual thing for plasma or is my panal broken (i don't see it behind DVD though so i'm confused now).

Hi Ejm,

I have the 500A and I noticed the same effect, I tracked it down to being the Noise Reduction settings (DPNR & Mpeg NR) especially if they are set to Strong - I turned these off and the trails are no longer present.

This could be something to experiment with.

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Hi Ejm,

I have the 500A and I noticed the same effect, I tracked it down to being the Noise Reduction settings (DPNR & Mpeg NR) especially if they are set to Strong - I turned these off and the trails are no longer present.

This could be something to experiment with.

Thank's for that and it worked on mine to.

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I've joined the club..   I've bought the 500A tonight. 

Got it for $3800 + $300 for an extra two years of warranty from Myer, Ringwood, Melbourne.

This is after I returned the Samsung 5H as I was very very unhappy with the picture quality.  The solorisation was terrible.   I really had a hard time returning it.  Don't always think Myer will let you return anything.

That's pretty much my story exactly, only this was a few months back . I bought the Sammy and returned it to Megamart due to excessive solarisation/clayface/whatever it's called..

what kind of stories were they coming up with not to return your cash ?

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Are people experiencing this solarisation effect during their run in period of the plasma or is this after that period and when their TV has been calibrated to recommended levels?

The reason for asking is that we seem to be experiencing some trailing and solarisation and the settings are off and running the DSE HD STB 8000 via HDMI. Is this something that will become less apparant once we get the TV up and running to it's full capacity or will we expect to have this problem continue?

Also just bought a set of Monster cables which we have running from the Sony DAVFC7 into the TV so hopefully that will correct any visual disturbances that we may have been experiencing from the DVD player. We need to get the Boogyman DVD again and see if the swing scene has been fixed.

That's pretty much my story exactly, only this was a few months back .  I bought the Sammy and returned it to Megamart due to excessive solarisation/clayface/whatever it's called..

what kind of stories were they coming up with not to return your cash ?

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"what kind of stories were they coming up with not to return your cash ?"

Originally they said I couldn't return it, as it's not actualy broken. And there is nothing they could do.. Sorry.. goodbye. go away now. And this was after having the TV for two days!

Came back the next day to speak to the manager. Who said, we'll send out a technician. As it's Samsungs policy. Then if it's not fixed. We'll help you out.

So I managed to return it.. And since I wanted the 500a, I didn't ask for cash back, as they matched a good price I had gotten elsewhere.

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"what kind of stories were they coming up with not to return your cash ?"

Originally they said I couldn't return it, as it's not actualy broken.  And there is nothing they could do.. Sorry.. goodbye. go away now.  And this was after having the TV for two days!

Came back the next day to speak to the manager.  Who said, we'll send out a technician.  As it's Samsungs policy.  Then if it's not fixed.  We'll help you out.

So I managed to return it..  And since I wanted the 500a, I didn't ask for cash back, as they matched a good price I had gotten elsewhere.

I had something similar, the Sammy just kept turning itself on and off every few seconds, waited 4 weeks still not fixed - no parts available), went back to my Retravision store where I bought it, they took it back no problem and I paid the difference for a Panny 500A. Top service from Retra and I'm more than happy now.

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Looking forward to receiving the Panasonic. Really disappointed with the Samsung. Suprised the picture was so bad.

I should of done a bit more research before I purchased it the first time.

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dear all,

after several weeks of searching and comparing I am about to join the pana club. best price I have been quoted is $3900 for HD 42" + humax HD STB + HDMI to DVI cable. Something tells me this is a deal.. any advice on this would be appreciated. thanx in advance.. SK

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Guys, could you explain one thing for me:

"Component Video Input, 2

Applicable Component Video Signals 640x480i (NTSC) @ 60Hz

HDMI Video/Audio Input Yes

Applicable HDMI Video Signals 640x480i (NTSC) @ 60Hz"

What exactly is the 'applicable signal' mean?

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Just joined club pana myself.....

Bought the Pana 42 HD for $4300 which includes the LG 5100 HD Set top box

I know people in Sydney and Melbourne getting this panel for $3600, but unfortunately i'm in Adelaide and they aren't that cheap yet....

I hope this is a good combination........

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Just come back from ex-MegaMart now HN in Narre Warren where from I purchased a 3-week old display 42PV500A for $3100. It's been off for 10 of those days whilst the store has been closed too. I am pretty wary of buying display stock so I insisted on knowing what it has been displaying and if brightness & contrast had been kept at factory settings or lower. Both the sales person and dept manager gave answers indicating they well know their do's and don't with new plasmas and after checking the running time (112 hours), I just couldn't pass up the deal!

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